Connecting dots (Chaney/Enos)

[onebadrubi]

Per Robbie Neiswanger, Enos will make 550K till 2018.  That is the same Chaney was making, just longer term.  Now connect dots!  I know Mike Irwin was one of the big proponents of wanting to see what both the new OC would make and what Chaney would make at Pitt.  Then came out the BA story about who wanted him to finish the Mizzou game and that something was between Bielema and Chaney late in 2014.  So what do you take away from giving the new OC the exact amount?  Did Chaney get pissed and leave because Robb Smith was given a raise and he wasn't?  It's obvious we could have extended his contract at the same salary, but was it offered?

[Huckleberry Pig]

Per Robbie Neiswanger, Enos will make 550K till 2018.  That is the same Chaney was making, just longer term.  Now connect dots!  I know Mike Irwin was one of the big proponents of wanting to see what both the new OC would make and what Chaney would make at Pitt.  Then came out the BA story about who wanted him to finish the Mizzou game and that something was between Bielema and Chaney late in 2014.  So what do you take away from giving the new OC the exact amount?  Did Chaney get pissed and leave because Robb Smith was given a raise and he wasn't?  It's obvious we could have extended his contract at the same salary, but was it offered?

gut says no, but that sounds like a good question for Mike or Doug or someone along those lines

[Jim Harris]

I don't think it was all about money for Chaney. He has the opportunity at Pitt to run his own offense, total carte blanche.

[ricepig]

I don't think it was all about money for Chaney. He has the opportunity at Pitt to run his own offense, total carte blanc.

Or carte blanche..

[Hoggish1]

I don't think it was all about money for Chaney. He has the opportunity at Pitt to run his own offense, total carte blanc.

Yep.  Good for him and good for us...

[JackJohnson]

I am ecstatic we were able to get him for 550k...which of course was a very nice raise for him.  IMO we got a considerable upgrade, at the same price.  Very nice

[DeltaBoy]

He is a well rounded young OC for us and a top recruiter ! Hiring him is a Win all the way around.

[Calling All Hogs]

Did we ever find out what Chaney is making at Pitt?

[The_Iceman]

If the offense starts to really shine, I'd expect him to also get a Robb Smith like raise and extension. Because if both the offense and defense are going, we will be a Top 15 team and money will be flowing into the program.

[ricepig]

Did we ever find out what Chaney is making at Pitt?

We won't, it's a private school, I believe.

[Jamie Jones]

I don't care what they pay him. I'm just happy that Coach Enos is a Hog. If they needed to pay him more, I'm sure there would be someone, wealthier than I, that would have stepped up and wrote the check. I'm about winning games and having a good time watching the wins. Coach Bielema has a proven track record of putting pieces together to do that, and Coach Enos will likely be the same type piece.

[Mike Irwin]

It's going to be interesting to see how a former head coach who is used to calling his own plays adapts to what Bielema wants. On the surface I don't see a big difference between Chaney's philosophy and Enos'. So is he going to be in for a big shock when he finds out that Bielema is not the run/pass balance guy that he says he is?

It could be that Bielema has looked at Enos' playbook and is satisfied that it contains more creative ways to run the ball than Chaney's. However I was told that Chaney had plenty of running plays that he never installed because he felt the personnel wasn't a fit for some of that stuff.

[Inhogswetrust]

We won't, it's a private school, I believe.

It was private but was adopted into the state system a long time ago.

[PorkRinds]

It's going to be interesting to see how a former head coach who is used to calling his own plays adapts to what Bielema wants. On the surface I don't see a big difference between Chaney's philosophy and Enos'. So is he going to be in for a big shock when he finds out that Bielema is not the run/pass balance guy that he says he is?

It could be that Bielema has looked at Enos' playbook and is satisfied that it contains more creative ways to run the ball than Chaney's. However I was told that Chaney had plenty of running plays that he never installed because he felt the personnel wasn't a fit for some of that stuff.

What proof of this is out there?  He's been pretty balanced so far, and was at Wisconsin.  Sure, if we can he will ram it down their throats till they like it, but what info is out there to say he doesn't want to have a balanced offense?

[Mike Irwin]

I don't think it was all about money for Chaney. He has the opportunity at Pitt to run his own offense, total carte blanc.

Or carte blanche..

And not Mel Blanc.

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[Deep Shoat]

Chaney was looking before Smith got a raise.  He even threw his name in the hat for the TAMU WR job.  He wanted out, or was told to look elsewhere.

[GalaHawg]

I wonder if Enos has any screen plays in his playbook?

[onebadrubi]

What proof of this is out there?  He's been pretty balanced so far, and was at Wisconsin.  Sure, if we can he will ram it down their throats till they like it, but what info is out there to say he doesn't want to have a balanced offense?

I'm not sure what evidence says that Bielema is this RUN only guy.  I think if he had to pick a percentage at the beginning of the year it would be around the 55-60$ run and 40-45% pass.  That's right up this OC alley.  You want to say the Texas tech game is evidence, well BP would have done a very similar thing with a few runs sprinkled in. 

I think Chaney wanted a 50+% pass offense and my completely sourceful (same sources everyone else had on the OC hire) says Chaney wasn't getting an extension offered yet to match something similar to Smith and he saw a way out to a nice contracted income jump at Pitt.  But, Pitt also fits the bill that Bielema and long had connections too pick up the phone and get Chaney a job.  If Bielema within coaching circles has the rep that if you come work for me and it doesn't work out, I get you a job somewhere making competitive pay without going a day of unemployed, that can be a very good rep.  I just can not connect the dots to fit

[Hog Pharm]

What proof of this is out there?  He's been pretty balanced so far, and was at Wisconsin.  Sure, if we can he will ram it down their throats till they like it, but what info is out there to say he doesn't want to have a balanced offense?

Agreed. We haven't been balanced so far because we haven't had the personnel. Bielema has said on numerous occasions that his most successful teams were ones that ran and passed for 200 yards and I believe that is Brett's goal.

[onebadrubi]

I wonder if Enos has any screen plays in his playbook?

Gosh I hope so!  If we don't see one then we know it's a bielema thing and not Chaney.  I got so mad at times last year (UGA for instance) why we weren't running screens right over the rushing players heads. 

[HOGINTENNESSEE]

Chaney was looking before Smith got a raise.  He even threw his name in the hat for the TAMU WR job.  He wanted out, or was told to look elsewhere.

It was the oline Job Chaney was rumored for

[ricepig]

Chaney was looking before Smith got a raise.  He even threw his name in the hat for the TAMU WR job.  He wanted out, or was told to look elsewhere.

OL job.

[Hogfan1660]

Haven't you heard that we can't run a screen pass with our offensive line??? I hope the first Drive of the season we successfully run a screen! The good news is that our new OC has almost as many SEC wins as our former OC.

[Deep Shoat]

It was the oline Job Chaney was rumored for

You are correct.

[grayhawg]

My biggest problem with Chaney was his inability or unwillingness to adapt to what the defence was doing. Under Chaney we were a good first series offence but when the defence adjusted seemed to me he was lost.

[Mike Irwin]

What proof of this is out there?  He's been pretty balanced so far, and was at Wisconsin.  Sure, if we can he will ram it down their throats till they like it, but what info is out there to say he doesn't want to have a balanced offense?

Proof? On several occasions after losses Bielema has complained about giving up on the run too soon, or getting "too cute" with the offense. More than once Chaney apologized for this on camera. Said he was going to have to do a better job calling the run game.

What Bielema calls a balanced offense is balanced in terms of total yards not pass plays vs run plays. I've made this point before. The passing game improved this past season. The run game pretty much stayed the same. I'm told that Bielema was not happy about that.

I'm not criticizing Bielema. It's what he believes in. I do think that Chaney thought there would be a little more give and take on the passing game than was the case.

It will be interesting to see how this works with Enos. Again, he's been a head coach. He's used to getting his way. How much will he have to adjust? Maybe a lot. Maybe not much at all.

Bielema may also have had the same QB development issues with Chaney that some of you complained about. The guy he just hired WAS a QB and a pretty good one.

[kaki]

Haven't you heard that we can't run a screen pass with our offensive line??? I hope the first Drive of the season we successfully run a screen! The good news is that our new OC has almost as many SEC wins as our former OC.

I think there is a good chance we will see the offensive line begin being more athletic.  With another year in the training program, Kirkland ,who has good footwork, but is a bit heavy and Tretola who needs to get lighter as well could be different players.  Wallace and Ragnow are more athletic types to add to the equation and the recruits coming in are not overly huge, so they may be more athletic.

[Doug]

He has the opportunity at Pitt to run his own offense, total carte blanc.

Or carte blanche..

And not Mel Blanc.

Quite possibly Montblanc, though.

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[bigbadhog]

It's going to be interesting to see how a former head coach who is used to calling his own plays adapts to what Bielema wants. On the surface I don't see a big difference between Chaney's philosophy and Enos'. So is he going to be in for a big shock when he finds out that Bielema is not the run/pass balance guy that he says he is?

It could be that Bielema has looked at Enos' playbook and is satisfied that it contains more creative ways to run the ball than Chaney's. However I was told that Chaney had plenty of running plays that he never installed because he felt the personnel wasn't a fit for some of that stuff.

I have said from day one with BB that he is not the run/pass balance guy he says he is.  I have been called every name on Hogville for saying the same thing.  I was told in no uncertain terms that BB is a defense guy and doesn't limited his OC like Nutt did.  I guess now we know the truth... 

[redeye]

Per Robbie Neiswanger, Enos will make 550K till 2018.  That is the same Chaney was making, just longer term.  Now connect dots!  I know Mike Irwin was one of the big proponents of wanting to see what both the new OC would make and what Chaney would make at Pitt.  Then came out the BA story about who wanted him to finish the Mizzou game and that something was between Bielema and Chaney late in 2014. So what do you take away from giving the new OC the exact amount?  Did Chaney get pissed and leave because Robb Smith was given a raise and he wasn't?  It's obvious we could have extended his contract at the same salary, but was it offered?

I missed this.  Details?

[onebadrubi]

I missed this.  Details?

Mike Irwin has said that there was a huge disagreement on whether to pull  BA or keep him in.  Mike has said he doesn't know which coach was on which side of that argument, but mike has said that his sources within the AD have said this was a big issue and did not go away.  Maybe he will elaborate.

[Cresthog]

Pretty sure any issues with personality would have been vetted with the interview process...

At least hopefully so. As long as I see less predictable reverses, more passes to RBs and better use of our TEs, I'll be extremely happy.

[PorkRinds]

Pretty sure any issues with personality would have been vetted with the interview process...

At least hopefully so. As long as I see less predictable reverses, more passes to RBs and better use of our TEs, I'll be extremely happy.

These, and a less predictable 4th quarter collapse.  And a run game that doesn't stall out so much, forcing the pass in stead of setting up the pass.

[Chief Mac]

I have said from day one with BB that he is not the run/pass balance guy he says he is.  I have been called every name on Hogville for saying the same thing.  I was told in no uncertain terms that BB is a defense guy and doesn't limited his OC like Nutt did.  I guess now we know the truth... 

as has been state ad nauseum with you, Bielema wants balance from a yardage perspective not number of plays called.  Mike even just said it

What Bielema calls a balanced offense is balanced in terms of total yards not pass plays vs run plays. I've made this point before.

also, Nutt only had one "OC" his whole time at Arkansas as he called those plays brotha

[Hawgfan27]

Mike Irwin has said that there was a huge disagreement on whether to pull  BA or keep him in.  Mike has said he doesn't know which coach was on which side of that argument, but mike has said that his sources within the AD have said this was a big issue and did not go away.  Maybe he will elaborate.

Based on Coach B's stance on player safety don't you have to think he wanted to pull him?  Then again, the coach has the final say so it could be said it was the other way around and he stayed in despite protest from his OC. 

[PorkSoda]

Did we ever find out what Chaney is making at Pitt?

Pitt does not release salary info, they are a private university

[bigbadhog]

as has been state ad nauseum with you, Bielema wants balance from a yardage perspective not number of plays called.  Mike even just said it

And "is Enos going to be in for a big shock when he finds out that BB is not the run/pass balance guy he CLAIMS TO BE?"  Read the post above...

[PorkRinds]

Proof? On several occasions after losses Bielema has complained about giving up on the run too soon, or getting "too cute" with the offense. More than once Chaney apologized for this on camera. Said he was going to have to do a better job calling the run game.

What Bielema calls a balanced offense is balanced in terms of total yards not pass plays vs run plays. I've made this point before. The passing game improved this past season. The run game pretty much stayed the same. I'm told that Bielema was not happy about that.

I'm not criticizing Bielema. It's what he believes in. I do think that Chaney thought there would be a little more give and take on the passing game than was the case.

It will be interesting to see how this works with Enos. Again, he's been a head coach. He's used to getting his way. How much will he have to adjust? Maybe a lot. Maybe not much at all.

Bielema may also have had the same QB development issues with Chaney that some of you complained about. The guy he just hired WAS a QB and a pretty good one.

My issue with what you posted was that you presented it like CBB actually wants something different than he sells.  You wondered how this guy would feel once he finds out CBB isn't what he CLAIMS to be.  That sounded negative to me, and I just wondered what kind of info was out there that suggested he wasn't what he claims to be.

[PorkSoda]

Gosh I hope so!  If we don't see one then we know it's a bielema thing and not Chaney.  I got so mad at times last year (UGA for instance) why we weren't running screens right over the rushing players heads. 

I'm not sure we have the speed at online to run screen plays.  we have the heaviest oline in the country, which equates to 'not fast'

[Mike Irwin]

Based on Coach B's stance on player safety don't you have to think he wanted to pull him?  Then again, the coach has the final say so it could be said it was the other way around and he stayed in despite protest from his OC.

Player safety was not the issue. Brandon Allen was not seriously hurt. He had a deep bruise in the lower back on the right side which was painful. He was fine a few days later.

The issue was would Austin Allen have given Arkansas a better chance to score and tie the game up than Brandon who was trying to ignore the pain he was feeling.

[Chief Mac]

And "is Enos going to be in for a big shock when he finds out that BB is not the run/pass balance guy he CLAIMS TO BE?"  Read the post above...

Bielema has NEVER said he was balanced in terms of number of plays.  He has always stated that, at a minimum, he wanted 200yds passing and 200yds rushing per game.  Look it up

[Mike Irwin]

My issue with what you posted was that you presented it like CBB actually wants something different than he sells.  You wondered how this guy would feel once he finds out CBB isn't what he CLAIMS to be.  That sounded negative to me, and I just wondered what kind of info was out there that suggested he wasn't what he claims to be.

The proof is Jim Chaney. Chaney left because he did not have the freedom to use the passing game that he believed he would have when he was hired. I've been told this but really it's a no brainer.

[Chief Mac]

Proof? On several occasions after losses Bielema has complained about giving up on the run too soon, or getting "too cute" with the offense. More than once Chaney apologized for this on camera. Said he was going to have to do a better job calling the run game.

What Bielema calls a balanced offense is balanced in terms of total yards not pass plays vs run plays. I've made this point before. The passing game improved this past season. The run game pretty much stayed the same. I'm told that Bielema was not happy about that.

I'm not criticizing Bielema. It's what he believes in. I do think that Chaney thought there would be a little more give and take on the passing game than was the case.

It will be interesting to see how this works with Enos. Again, he's been a head coach. He's used to getting his way. How much will he have to adjust? Maybe a lot. Maybe not much at all.

Bielema may also have had the same QB development issues with Chaney that some of you complained about. The guy he just hired WAS a QB and a pretty good one.

Mike, when has Bielema ever claimed to be a in favor of anything other than balance in terms of yardage?

[onebadrubi]

Based on Coach B's stance on player safety don't you have to think he wanted to pull him?  Then again, the coach has the final say so it could be said it was the other way around and he stayed in despite protest from his OC.

I think you are right on the first sentence and talked yourself out of it with the second but think about it this way.  Bielema want the Offense to be the OC's and the Defense to be the DC.  He's there for planning and coaching.  That being said, I want to believe the conversation in the headset might have been

Bielema: John, BA appears hurt, I'm getting austin warmed up. 

Chaney:Bret, I don't think he can get us down the field to score lets put it in BA's hands, he's tough and knows my play book better than anyone, i need him out there. 

Bielema: If you feel that way ok, but if he shows any signs of hurt we are pulling him. 

I could see that happening.  And even if it went bad, I don't see Bielema putting Chaney out to dry.  I got to believe Bielema is a player safety above all else coach. 

[Kevin]

It's going to be interesting to see how a former head coach who is used to calling his own plays adapts to what Bielema wants. On the surface I don't see a big difference between Chaney's philosophy and Enos'. So is he going to be in for a big shock when he finds out that Bielema is not the run/pass balance guy that he says he is?

It could be that Bielema has looked at Enos' playbook and is satisfied that it contains more creative ways to run the ball than Chaney's. However I was told that Chaney had plenty of running plays that he never installed because he felt the personnel wasn't a fit for some of that stuff.

i bet when you see pitt's offense next year, compare it to what he did at arkansas, the answer will be known.

don't care what propaganda the coaches put out, it is cbb's playbook, not chaney's.

by, watching some stuff on youtube, enos is more like cbb.

[dynastyhog]

I have said from day one with BB that he is not the run/pass balance guy he says he is.  I have been called every name on Hogville for saying the same thing.  I was told in no uncertain terms that BB is a defense guy and doesn't limited his OC like Nutt did.  I guess now we know the truth...

Chaney needed to be limited.  Time will tell if BB is going to be more balanced but I'd say if you don't like smash mouth football then watching the Hogs may not be your thing.

[PorkSoda]

Player safety was not the issue. Brandon Allen was not seriously hurt. He had a deep bruise in the lower back on the right side which was painful. He was fine a few days later.

The issue was would Austin Allen have given Arkansas a better chance to score and tie the game up than Brandon who was trying to ignore the pain he was feeling.

BA wasn't just hurt, he was in debilitating pain.  you could see it in how he carried himself and after every play.  He was not effective for at least a few series.  If AA wasn't ready to step in, that is the fault of the coaches.  It was a bowl game with more than enough practice time.

[redeye]

Mike Irwin has said that there was a huge disagreement on whether to pull  BA or keep him in.  Mike has said he doesn't know which coach was on which side of that argument, but mike has said that his sources within the AD have said this was a big issue and did not go away.  Maybe he will elaborate.

Very interesting.

Thanks to you and Mike!

[onebadrubi]

I'm not sure we have the speed at online to run screen plays.  we have the heaviest oline in the country, which equates to 'not fast'

I don't care, teams that can't run even run at sometimes.  Teams that can't pass even pass at sometimes.  If we used that to our advantage for a rb mid field screen in the UGA game, you would put Jwill and Alex 1 on 1 with a OLB or Safety.  That is a high percentage play when a team is blitzing the heck out of you like UGA was.  They were not scared of it at all so bad they were blitzing the CB every time! 

[PorkRinds]

The proof is Jim Chaney. Chaney left because he did not have the freedom to use the passing game that he believed he would have when he was hired. I've been told this but really it's a no brainer.

So just to be clear.  You're saying that Chaney left because CBB lied to him and told him he would be able to pass more than CBB actually intended to let him pass?