Re: Why didn't we throw it on 4th down?

[HogFanatic]

Because we couldn't throw the damn ball either.
Chaney becomes far too predictable when the game is on the line.

He is all or nothing.

2 minute drills were ran what, three times yesterday? The results of which were three 3 and outs? All passes?

Pathetic.

[HOGness4life]

I disagree Allen was nails and was surgical most of the game.

[jimmur74]

They squashed our running game in the 2nd half. We only had 14 yards running in the 4th qtr. Clearly they've sold out to stop the run, why not throw it?

We had far more that 14 in the qtr. The penalty killed us on the long run by Williams. On the drive we missed the FG we had consecutive runs of 12 17 and 17 alone. Look we just blew it

[Bubba's Bruisers]

I disagree Allen was nails and was surgical most of the game.

Yes, on running downs.  Not at all on passing downs.   That's the problem with the passing game.  We can't actually pass when we need to pass.  Only when the D is playing run.

[HogFanatic]

Yes, on running downs.  Not at all on passing downs.   That's the problem with the passing game.  We can't actually pass when we need to pass.  Only when the D is playing run.

I agree with this.
And it would seem to me that logic would dictate that you mix in some run when you are SUPPOSED to pass just for this reason.

This team's ability to run the ball is off the charts. In any of those 2 minute drill drives, if we had mixed in the run we could have hit a home run, IMO. But instead it's incomplete, incomplete, incomplete, punt.

I guess we should feel better that one of those times we ran a 50 yard touchdown from a punt formation, but it just further illustrates what I'm saying. Jim Chaney isn't doing a very good job, IMO

[woodhog14]

They squashed our running game in the 2nd half. We only had 14 yards running in the 4th qtr. Clearly they've sold out to stop the run, why not throw it?

Actually, we had 71 yards rushing in the 4th qtr...and that doesn't count the 55 yard run that JWill had called back. Where did you get this 14 yards rushing in the 4th qtr?

[popcornhog]

They squashed our running game in the 2nd half. We only had 14 yards running in the 4th qtr. Clearly they've sold out to stop the run, why not throw it?

We played to our strength. It wasn't executed. Great stop for Aggy -- no complaints here re: the play calling.

Pretty sure we had more than 14 yards rushing in 4th though.

[Nafunu32]

If the pass would have been incomplete you guys would have been calling for heads because "running the ball is our strength." Many people are not satisfied regardless of outcome.

[Bebop]

Yes, on running downs.  Not at all on passing downs.   That's the problem with the passing game.  We can't actually pass when we need to pass.  Only when the D is playing run.

Brandon is throwing too much on the outside. He had better success when he threw towards or in the middle of field. Same complaint, different day: why didn't we throw more around the middle when we have had success with it?

[Pigstie]

Because if we passed and didn't make it.... you would post and ask "why didn't we run it?"

[IBleedRazorbackRed]

Because is we passed and didn't make it.... you would post and ask "why didn't we run it?"

This is 100% the truth

[DeltaBoy]

All those tight ends and neither could get open.

[atekido]

This is 100% the truth

I concur!

[Pigasaurus]

I was surprised not to see BA take off and run with the ball a time or two.  He has had some good runs lately.  I understand the competition was stiffer and we really don't want to get him whacked.

[RazorPiggie]

Brandon is throwing too much on the outside. He had better success when he threw towards or in the middle of field. Same complaint, different day: why didn't we throw more around the middle when we have had success with it?

This is one of the VERY few things I'll agree with you on. I do believe we pass too much to the outside. That's just asking for a pick six. Throwing over the middle gives you more YAC as well.

[Pigasaurus]

Throwing outside 3 yards short of the marker drove me nuts yesterday.

[Piggfoot]

Throwing outside 3 yards short of the marker drove me nuts yesterday.

some players not calling names don't seem to know where the first down marker is.

[poloprince]

I would have called for playaction.

[Bebop]

This is one of the VERY few things I'll agree with you on. I do believe we pass too much to the outside. That's just asking for a pick six. Throwing over the middle gives you more YAC as well.

What arguments do you disagree with me?

[sickboy]

I would have called for playaction.

I would have called a naked bootleg with Allen. Just like this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2O0nDC_3yDc

[pigbacon]

I didn't want to start a new topic and may have overlooked it, but why did we not take the ball first in OT???

I'd much rather have the opportunity to score first. Thoughts?

[sickboy]

I didn't want to start a new topic and may have overlooked it, but why did we not take the ball first in OT???

I'd much rather have the opportunity to score first. Thoughts?

You always defend first in overtime. You're at an advantage. If you stop the defense then you only have to kick a field goal to win and it changes everything on offense for you. If you let them score -- you know what you have to do. If you take the ball first and fail to score -- you're pretty much screwed.

Nobody takes the ball first in overtime.

[ricepig]

I didn't want to start a new topic and may have overlooked it, but why did we not take the ball first in OT???

I'd much rather have the opportunity to score first. Thoughts?

You always want to go on defense first so you know what you have to score after their attempt.

[Kevin]

With 11 in the box, got to pass.

[Jerrajo]

HOW DOES BA not see 11 in the box and call and audible ? I miss having a coach that taught this.

[Bubba's Bruisers]

With 11 in the box, got to pass.

It's fair to suggest that play call was an indictment of our passing game.

[pigbacon]

You always defend first in overtime. You're at an advantage. If you stop the defense then you only have to kick a field goal to win and it changes everything on offense for you. If you let them score -- you know what you have to do. If you take the ball first and fail to score -- you're pretty much screwed.

Nobody takes the ball first in overtime.

You always want to go on defense first so you know what you have to score after their attempt.

Thanks. I wasn't implying it was the wrong call or anything. Just seems applying the pressure if you score first helps.

[FATHAWG08]

A&M made huge stop on 3rd down pass to Derby. If we get beat lets get beat at what we do best. I have no regrets here. This time last year our defense had given up 100 points in 2 games. We are getting better really fast. This's time next year this team will be where all the fans want it to be. One day at a time, this staff has something to go sell these next 2 weeks to recruits. I'm taking the glass is half full approach.

[Dark Helmet Hog]

I would have liked to have seen the bootleg on the 4th down. Maybe it gets blown up too, but everyone knew we were going to run ball.

[FATHAWG08]

HOW DOES BA not see 11 in the box and call and audible ? I miss having a coach that taught this.

well all can say is go cheer for Louisville. Your problem is now solved. See Ya!!

[Pigasaurus]

I would have liked to have seen the bootleg on the 4th down. Maybe it get blown up too, but everyone knew we were going to run ball.

Would have a been an interesting call.

[ATU HOG]

HOW DOES BA not see 11 in the box and call and audible ? I miss having a coach that taught this.

Probably because your not gonna call an audible when you are built to pick up 1 yard.  We just didn't do it this time.  Imagine throwing an incomplete pass or changing the play to a slow developing play when we have one of the biggest O-Lines in the nation.  4th and 1, game on the line, do what you do best and run it.

[LA Football fan]

I would have liked to have seen that little option pitch out we have run on teams when they are stacked inside.  It would have at the least put Collins one on one with the db in open space and I like our odds.  Collins is not a power runner like JWill has shown.  A&M just made a good play.  It happens.  They stacked the line on other plays and we still made the first down with ease as well as busted one for a td.  The other option to me would have been the wildcat with another blocker leading the way for Collins on the play.

[Hog_Fink]

i would've liked to have seen that shovel pass
or a naked bootleg
or even collins in wildcat throwing a pass
pull out all the stops. get creative.
we needed a big play to push momentum back in our favor.
not the same stagnant playcalling

[sickboy]

Thanks. I wasn't implying it was the wrong call or anything. Just seems applying the pressure if you score first helps.

No worries. Applying the pressure is definitely good. Just a risk if you don't score.

[The Boar War]

I don't mind the call.  If you're a running team and can't run the ball and get two yards when the game is on the line you shouldn't win the game.

[bigbadhog]

Run/pass option with BA rollout.  Unanimous with the people watching the game where I was.  It was a horrible play call...

[HF#1]

Had he thrown the ball you'd still be bitching so what difference does it make? 

Given we rushed for 200+, it's not a stretch to think we can get 2 yards running the ball.

[Supermark101]

I would have called a naked bootleg with Allen. Just like this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2O0nDC_3yDc

Yep

Hindsight is always 20/20, but this should have been the call on 4th and 2. We needed not to be predictable there. It worked perfectly against N Illinois for a touchdown. I told my brother that needed to  be the call, right before the snap.