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Roster Comparison Arkansas vs Clemson
« on: December 12, 2017, 10:23:05 am »

Transitioning the current roster to a new scheme will be a key success factor for CCM.  For fun, I compared the rosters for Clemson and Arkansas to highlight potential areas of focus in retention, development and recruiting.

Roster Comparison by Position Group:
     Clemson      Arkansas
Offense   52      58
  QB            5      6
  RB            7      6
  TE            8      9
  WR          15      17
  OL          17      20
         
Defense   57      53
  LB           16      21
  CB           11      20
  S           10      
  DL           20      12
         
Special   7      6


Observations:
-Clemson's roster emphasizes defense (57 vs 52 players on offense)
-Clemson's focus on DL and Safeties
-Clemson's use of TE and H Back vs. Arkansas use of traditional TE.
-Clemson uses fewer OL

Other thoughts?
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Re: Roster Comparison Arkansas vs Clemson
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2017, 10:45:36 am »

Transitioning the current roster to a new scheme will be a key success factor for CCM.  For fun, I compared the rosters for Clemson and Arkansas to highlight potential areas of focus in retention, development and recruiting.

Roster Comparison by Position Group:
     Clemson      Arkansas
Offense   52      58
  QB            5      6
  RB            7      6
  TE            8      9
  WR          15      17
  OL          17      20
         
Defense   57      53
  LB           16      21
  CB           11      20
  S           10      
  DL           20      12
         
Special   7      6


Observations:
-Clemson's roster emphasizes defense (57 vs 52 players on offense)
-Clemson's focus on DL and Safeties
-Clemson's use of TE and H Back vs. Arkansas use of traditional TE.
-Clemson uses fewer OL

Other thoughts?

Some of the guys we're calling LB in a 3-4 Defense will be DE in a 4-3 so that skews those numbers a little. Regardless we need more DLine. I think it would interesting to see the breakdown of how Scholarships are awarded and not just Roster positions. CBB put a big emphasis on walk-on OLine.
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Re: Roster Comparison Arkansas vs Clemson
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2017, 10:46:24 am »

I'm a little surprised to see we have more WR than they do.

Thanks for putting the list together.
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Re: Roster Comparison Arkansas vs Clemson
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2017, 10:50:05 am »

Goes to show, dominant and deep defensive lines make for successful teams.
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Re: Roster Comparison Arkansas vs Clemson
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2017, 10:50:20 am »

Is this today's Clemson or is it comparing 2017 Hogs to 2010 Clemson? (the year before Chad Morris took over each)
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Re: Roster Comparison Arkansas vs Clemson
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2017, 10:54:43 am »

This is excellent material.

I would be interested in seeing the break down to this years SMU roster as well.  See if it lines up with what was at Clemson.
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Re: Roster Comparison Arkansas vs Clemson
« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2017, 11:14:33 am »

Is this today's Clemson or is it comparing 2017 Hogs to 2010 Clemson? (the year before Chad Morris took over each)

2017 Hogs vs 2017 Clemson  (2014 Clemson Chad's year was no different).   
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Re: Roster Comparison Arkansas vs Clemson
« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2017, 11:14:49 am »

Is this today's Clemson or is it comparing 2017 Hogs to 2010 Clemson? (the year before Chad Morris took over each)
he's comparing it to today's clemson to see where we need to be.

Comparing where we are talentwise to that 2011 team would be very interesting. I bet we have as many  4*s on paper as they had.
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Re: Roster Comparison Arkansas vs Clemson
« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2017, 11:15:57 am »

I'm a little surprised to see we have more WR than they do.

Thanks for putting the list together.

In looking at some of these numbers, like WR, is there a quantity vs quality question here? Same for other places where we're high—OL, DB. But as was mentioned, you have to have numbers on the DL.
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Re: Roster Comparison Arkansas vs Clemson
« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2017, 11:19:27 am »

This is excellent material.

I would be interested in seeing the break down to this years SMU roster as well.  See if it lines up with what was at Clemson.

Ask and ye shall receive....sorry for the formatting issues...

   Clemson      Arkansas   SMU
Offense   52      58      48

    QB       5          6          7
    RB       7          6          6
    TE       8          9          8
    WR     15        17        14
    OL     17        20        13
               
Defense 57      53      50
    LB     16        21        14
    CB     11        20        13
    S       10                    5
    DL     20        12        18
               
Special    7      6      6

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Re: Roster Comparison Arkansas vs Clemson
« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2017, 12:03:20 pm »

Good thread and info. Thanks.
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Re: Roster Comparison Arkansas vs Clemson
« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2017, 12:06:19 pm »

Is this today's Clemson or is it comparing 2017 Hogs to 2010 Clemson? (the year before Chad Morris took over each)
That's what it needs to be in order for the rosters to correlate
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Re: Roster Comparison Arkansas vs Clemson
« Reply #12 on: December 12, 2017, 12:10:43 pm »

he's comparing it to today's clemson to see where we need to be.

Comparing where we are talentwise to that 2011 team would be very interesting. I bet we have as many  4*s on paper as they had.

Here are the 2017 Arkansas team directly compared to the 2010 Clemson team (the year before Morris took over at each):

http://myteamsbetter.com/#COMPARE_TEAMS?teamPK1=147&teamPK2=31&year1=2010&year2=2017&statView=Key%20Stats&compareOption=ALL_OPPONENTS

They are actually pretty comparable with Clemson getting the slight edge overall.


If you want to look at individual stats per team, here are the 2017 Hogs: https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/arkansas/2017.html

..and here are the 2010 Clemson Tigers: https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/clemson/2010.html


For recruits, I went back and looked at the 24/7 recruiting data and counted the 4/5 star players in each class for the four previous years of recruiting before Chad Morris took over:

Clemson
2010: 5
2009: 5, 1
2008: 10
2007: 4

Total 4 stars: 24
Total 5 stars: 1


Arkansas
2017: 4
2016: 5, 1
2015: 7
2014: 4

Total 4 stars: 20
Total 5 stars: 1



Man, he wasn't kidding when he said he saw a lot of similarities to Clemson before he took over to the Hogs before he took over. Very similar teams in terms of recruits and ability between 2010 Clemson and 2017 Arkansas.
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Re: Roster Comparison Arkansas vs Clemson
« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2017, 12:19:30 pm »

Here are the 2017 Arkansas team directly compared to the 2010 Clemson team (the year before Morris took over at each):

http://myteamsbetter.com/#COMPARE_TEAMS?teamPK1=147&teamPK2=31&year1=2010&year2=2017&statView=Key%20Stats&compareOption=ALL_OPPONENTS

Note, if you just want to look at offense (since Morris was just the OC at Clemson), 2017 Arkansas is starting from a better position than 2010 Clemson was:

http://myteamsbetter.com/#COMPARE_TEAMS?teamPK1=147&teamPK2=31&year1=2010&year2=2017&statView=Offense&compareOption=ALL_OPPONENTS


If you want to look at just Clemson offense pre-Morris (2010) and after he had been there 4 years (2014), you can see how much they improved:

http://myteamsbetter.com/#COMPARE_TEAMS?teamPK1=147&teamPK2=147&year1=2010&year2=2014&statView=Offense&compareOption=ALL_OPPONENTS

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Re: Roster Comparison Arkansas vs Clemson
« Reply #14 on: December 13, 2017, 12:04:22 am »

Note, if you just want to look at offense (since Morris was just the OC at Clemson), 2017 Arkansas is starting from a better position than 2010 Clemson was:

http://myteamsbetter.com/#COMPARE_TEAMS?teamPK1=147&teamPK2=31&year1=2010&year2=2017&statView=Offense&compareOption=ALL_OPPONENTS


If you want to look at just Clemson offense pre-Morris (2010) and after he had been there 4 years (2014), you can see how much they improved:

http://myteamsbetter.com/#COMPARE_TEAMS?teamPK1=147&teamPK2=147&year1=2010&year2=2014&statView=Offense&compareOption=ALL_OPPONENTS



Man, that is a pretty cool site.  Thanks for the info.
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Re: Roster Comparison Arkansas vs Clemson
« Reply #15 on: December 13, 2017, 12:35:58 am »

Note, if you just want to look at offense (since Morris was just the OC at Clemson), 2017 Arkansas is starting from a better position than 2010 Clemson was:

http://myteamsbetter.com/#COMPARE_TEAMS?teamPK1=147&teamPK2=31&year1=2010&year2=2017&statView=Offense&compareOption=ALL_OPPONENTS


If you want to look at just Clemson offense pre-Morris (2010) and after he had been there 4 years (2014), you can see how much they improved:

http://myteamsbetter.com/#COMPARE_TEAMS?teamPK1=147&teamPK2=147&year1=2010&year2=2014&statView=Offense&compareOption=ALL_OPPONENTS

Thank you. This was the comparison I was looking for.
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Re: Roster Comparison Arkansas vs Clemson
« Reply #16 on: December 13, 2017, 12:40:39 am »

THESE are my favorite kind of threads on Hogville. No salt. Just good football talk. +1 to the lot of you, and everybody should +1 OP.
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Re: Roster Comparison Arkansas vs Clemson
« Reply #17 on: December 13, 2017, 12:52:29 am »

I can't put a lot of faith in lists like this because it could vary from year to year, even on the same team.
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Re: Roster Comparison Arkansas vs Clemson
« Reply #18 on: December 13, 2017, 12:59:08 am »

Here are the 2017 Arkansas team directly compared to the 2010 Clemson team (the year before Morris took over at each):

For recruits, I went back and looked at the 24/7 recruiting data and counted the 4/5 star players in each class for the four previous years of recruiting before Chad Morris took over:

Clemson
2010: 5
2009: 5, 1
2008: 10
2007: 4

Total 4 stars: 24
Total 5 stars: 1


Arkansas
2017: 4
2016: 5, 1
2015: 7
2014: 4

Total 4 stars: 20
Total 5 stars: 1



Man, he wasn't kidding when he said he saw a lot of similarities to Clemson before he took over to the Hogs before he took over. Very similar teams in terms of recruits and ability between 2010 Clemson and 2017 Arkansas.

This is great stuff.  I think Bielema recruited better than we acknowledge and he was a good at evaluating talent for his style.  He was also good with retention, so Morris isn't stepping into the wasteland many think he is.  He still needs to get his type of players, and those here will need to learn his system, but I think we're in better shape than some realize.
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Re: Roster Comparison Arkansas vs Clemson
« Reply #19 on: December 13, 2017, 03:01:22 am »

I see the value of comparing to Clemson's roster, but I feel like the best comparison and a best idea of what we would expect the numbers to be like here would be to last years 2016 SMU roster because CCM could have adapted a little since his time in Clemson and bc this would be the first time where the entire vision was his rather than Dabo's at Clemson.  I would assume their vision is pretty similar though.

EDIT:  I just noticed that you already posted to SMU comparison.
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Re: Roster Comparison Arkansas vs Clemson
« Reply #20 on: December 13, 2017, 03:06:01 am »

nm I am struggling right now haha

I just need to read the entire thread before I post apparently.  Good information, thanks.
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