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Article about how great Chipper Jones has been

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ucahogfan

September 27, 2012, 09:21:57 pm
It will be a very sad day when he finally plays his last game as a Brave.  Hopefully it is a win.

Some things pointed out in the article:

1.  One of 2 switch hitters with 5,000+ ABs to hit over .300 from both sides of the plate.  The other is Frankie Frisch.

2.  One of 2 switch hitters with a .400 OBP, .500 SLG, and 400 HRs.  The other is Mickey Mantle.

3.  Career RBI leader among 3B.

4.  One of 3 active players with at least 100 HRs to walk more than strike out.  The other 2 are Pujols and Helton.

5.  Possibly the greatest No. 1 overall pick ever.

6.  One of 2 active players whose team is at least 400 games over .500 when they have been in the lineup.  The other is the Captain in the Bronx.

7.  Having the greatest farewell tour of all time among player at least 37 years of age.  He leads the Braves in OPS this year on a playoff bound team.  The only other player to have as good of a farewell season is Ted Williams.

After reading this, Chipper could be argued as the greatest 3B of all time and will go down as one of the top 5 Braves of all time.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/8427136/the-many-amazing-feats-chipper-jones 

clutch

September 27, 2012, 10:38:24 pm #1
Pretty cool stuff. I still think Griffey Jr. is the best #1 pick ever. Well I think he is the best player to ever be picked #1. With the injuries I guess there is a really good argument that Chipper was a better #1 pick.

I'm biased though. In my mind a healthy Griffey Jr. was the greatest baseball player to ever play the game.
 

ucahogfan

September 28, 2012, 06:38:17 am #2
Quote from: clutch on September 27, 2012, 10:38:24 pm
I'm biased though. In my mind a healthy Griffey Jr. was the greatest baseball player to ever play the game.
So do I.  Griffey Jr. was a tremendous talent who lost close to a decade to injury.  He would have hit 800+ HRs if he had been healthy the entire time.  He was also one of the greatest CFs defensively of all time.

The better argument would be that Chipper was the best #1 pick to play for one organization in his career.

bsking

September 28, 2012, 08:47:58 am #3
Ah, but here's an interesting twist.

Griffey was hands down the #1 pick.  He was a lock.  Chipper was not.  Tod Van Poppel was considered the best player in the draft.  The Braves went against the grain and picked Chip.

Since the Griffey pick was so obvious, saying Chipper was the best 1st "pick" of all time is probably accurate.  However he is obviously not the best player to be picked first.

clutch

September 28, 2012, 03:39:45 pm #4
Quote from: bsking on September 28, 2012, 08:47:58 am
Since the Griffey pick was so obvious, saying Chipper was the best 1st "pick" of all time is probably accurate.  However he is obviously not the best player to be picked first.

This is kind of where I was trying to go with it. Chipper wasn't the best player to be picked #1, but I could see where a very strong argument could be made that he was the best #1 pick. It makes sense in my mind.

hawkhawg

October 01, 2012, 06:51:44 pm #5
Quote from: ucahogfan on September 27, 2012, 09:21:57 pm

3.  Career RBI leader among 3B.


I would have never guessed that he had more RBI's than Schmidt and Brett.  But if Rodriguez plays a couple more years he will have played more years at third than short stop. After that will he take over all the 3rd base records?

ErieHog

October 01, 2012, 07:19:38 pm #6
Quote from: hawkhawg on October 01, 2012, 06:51:44 pm
I would have never guessed that he had more RBI's than Schmidt and Brett.  But if Rodriguez plays a couple more years he will have played more years at third than short stop. After that will he take over all the 3rd base records?

No,  he's pretty much only played 3rd since joining the Yankees 9 years ago (5 games at SS aside)

He's hit 302 HR as a 3rd baseman, and driven in 959 runs.    Unless he plays another decade, he will not own the career records for 3rd basemen in the counting stats.
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hawkhawg

October 01, 2012, 07:27:13 pm #7 Last Edit: October 01, 2012, 07:29:18 pm by hawkhawg
Quote from: ErieHog on October 01, 2012, 07:19:38 pm
No,  he's pretty much only played 3rd since joining the Yankees 9 years ago (5 games at SS aside)

He's hit 302 HR as a 3rd baseman, and driven in 959 runs.    Unless he plays another decade, he will not own the career records for 3rd basemen in the counting stats.

Rodriguez played ten years at short stop. If he plays 4 more years he will have played 3rd for 13 years which will be more years than chipper played third.   I dont think they just count the RBIs from the games you played a postition they count your whole career.   I bet if you take away Chippers RBI's while in left he would drop below Schmidt.

gutshot

October 02, 2012, 04:34:24 pm #8
The feat is technically "most RBIs by a player who's primary position was 3rd base."  This is the way it has been described by the Braves announcers and media members.

I don't know how the numbers add up for only games played at 3rd, but Schmidt, Brett, and Chipper all accumulated RBIs at other positions.  I think hawkhawg is right...I'm pretty sure Schmidt owns the title of most RBIs as a 3rd baseman. 

ErieHog

October 02, 2012, 05:18:13 pm #9


Schmidt holds the record for most RBIs (1,419) compiled while playing third base. Jones ranked second on this list, with 1,338.


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fantana

October 02, 2012, 07:33:01 pm #10
Quote from: bsking on September 28, 2012, 08:47:58 am
Ah, but here's an interesting twist.

Griffey was hands down the #1 pick.  He was a lock.  Chipper was not.  Tod Van Poppel was considered the best player in the draft.  The Braves went against the grain and picked Chip.

Since the Griffey pick was so obvious, saying Chipper was the best 1st "pick" of all time is probably accurate.  However he is obviously not the best player to be picked first.
. I thought van poppel told Atlanta no so we took chipper? May be remembering wrong though...

DeltaBoy

October 03, 2012, 11:45:26 am #11
I loved watch the Braves in the late 80's till about 2005.
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johnny cash

October 06, 2012, 06:57:15 pm #12
Quote from: clutch on September 27, 2012, 10:38:24 pm
Pretty cool stuff. I still think Griffey Jr. is the best #1 pick ever. Well I think he is the best player to ever be picked #1. With the injuries I guess there is a really good argument that Chipper was a better #1 pick.

I'm biased though. In my mind a healthy Griffey Jr. was the greatest baseball player to ever play the game.
if healthy he could have broke hr record IMO. Played the game full speed, ran into the wall a bunch making plays in field. He was awesome.
 

clutch

October 06, 2012, 09:42:12 pm #13
Quote from: johnny cash on October 06, 2012, 06:57:15 pm
if healthy he could have broke hr record IMO. Played the game full speed, ran into the wall a bunch making plays in field. He was awesome.

I think so too. Best swing I've ever seen. I just loved the way he played the game all around. Gold Glover in CF, great arm, speed, great bat. He could do it all. I think Trout is the closest thing I've seen to Griffey Jr. so far. Well based off of his short career so far.

ucahogfan

October 06, 2012, 09:52:03 pm #14
Quote from: clutch on October 06, 2012, 09:42:12 pm
I think so too. Best swing I've ever seen. I just loved the way he played the game all around. Gold Glover in CF, great arm, speed, great bat. He could do it all. I think Trout is the closest thing I've seen to Griffey Jr. so far. Well based off of his short career so far.
I agree to the Trout and Griffey comparasion.  Both are elite level defenders who have cannons.  Jr. had a distinct edge on power although Trout has a ton of power and Trout has a distinct edge on speed.
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