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EastexHawg

October 27, 2015, 03:52:59 pm
Cam Newton?  Listening to Chris Collinsworth and Al Michaels talk about him Sunday night, I thought maybe they were discussing Steve Young in his prime.  Cam is 26th in passing yards and 28th in passer rating.  So why is he winning?  Because Carolina has one of the best defenses in the NFL.  Despite Cam's 7 interceptions in only 181 attempts...one of the worst ratios in the league...the Panthers are top ten in total defense and 6th in scoring defense.

I admit I am not an unbiased observer because I have despised Newton since his lying, cheating, stealing college days, but he is not nor has he ever been a good NFL quarterback.  Carolina is winning in spite of him, not because of his stellar play.

Tejano Jawg

October 27, 2015, 09:31:08 pm #1
This is a interesting one....because I've never liked CM. In his criminal AU days, I thought he was everything the NCAA was against. (LOL) But he played on...stolen laptops and all. In his NFL rookie year, I disliked him equally.

However, even though I don't like him now, my DIS-like for him is less. Maybe because I don't have time for him any more. Or, because I'm intrigued that he makes just enough plays to keep his team going. I'm looking forward to the Thanksgiving game with the Cowboys.
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Buff

October 27, 2015, 09:40:37 pm #2
Screw Cam.  And screw him parading in front of the crowd, as if the team is only winning because of him. 

Now the positive:  Dude never seems to get down or rattled.  See the Seattle game.  Kept making throws, and wound up with the game winning pass.

ErieHog

October 27, 2015, 09:48:07 pm #3
I'm not a fan, but he's proven to be a pretty effective NFL QB.   This isn't exactly a Panthers team that is just overburdened with offensive talent, yet he finds a way to manufacture enough points to win a lot of football games with them.
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EastexHawg

October 28, 2015, 01:15:50 pm #4
Quote from: ErieHog on October 27, 2015, 09:48:07 pm
I'm not a fan, but he's proven to be a pretty effective NFL QB.   This isn't exactly a Panthers team that is just overburdened with offensive talent, yet he finds a way to manufacture enough points to win a lot of football games with them.

Mike Kruczek found a way to manufacture enough points to win with the 1976 Steelers Steel Curtain defense when Terry Bradshaw went down with an injury.  He went 6-0 as the starter despite only passing for 750 yards, 0 TDs, and 3 interceptions.  Trent Dilfer did the same with the Ravens.  He won a Super Bowl with 1,500 pass yards, 12 TDs, 11 interceptions, and a passer rating of 76...23rd in the league and well behind Elvis Grbac, Doug Flutie, Jeff Blake, and Gus Frerotte.

It's a lot easier to "manufacture enough points to win" when your defense keeps the other team from scoring.

ErieHog

October 28, 2015, 01:27:09 pm #5
Quote from: EastexHawg on October 28, 2015, 01:15:50 pm
Mike Kruczek found a way to manufacture enough points to win with the 1976 Steelers Steel Curtain defense when Terry Bradshaw went down with an injury.  He went 6-0 as the starter despite only passing for 750 yards, 0 TDs, and 3 interceptions.  Trent Dilfer did the same with the Ravens.  He won a Super Bowl with 1,500 pass yards, 12 TDs, 11 interceptions, and a passer rating of 76...23rd in the league and well behind Elvis Grbac, Doug Flutie, Jeff Blake, and Gus Frerotte.

It's a lot easier to "manufacture enough points to win" when your defense keeps the other team from scoring.

Only over very small sample sizes.

Cam is now in his 5th season;  he has a winning career record, has about a 1.5 to 1 TD to Int ratio,   and has given his teams better than 5 additional TDs a year on the ground.    The Panthers have not been regarded as highly talented for most of that time frame.

He's not Tom Brady, he's not  Aaron Rodgers-- but he's a pretty solid to good NFL QB.  This is a league where there are always 5 QB jobs open, because no one is good enough to take them cleanly.   
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clutch

October 29, 2015, 10:28:35 pm #6
He's not elite by any means. He's a pretty good QB though. Good enough to be a starter for most NFL teams.

bennyl08

October 30, 2015, 12:18:52 am #7
There's two types of players in the NFL. Guys who play better than their stats suggest and those whose stats make them look better than they really are.

For example, the LB who has loads of tackles, but that is mostly because his defense is always on the field and can't get off and also gets a lot of assisted tackles where he really didn't do any of the work. Then there is the DT who gets one, maybe two tackles a game but is eating up double and sometimes triple team blocks, forces teams to abandon runs up the middle and only run plays to the outside, etc...

Cam is the latter. There is not a team in the NFL that would trade WR corp with the Panthers. Even if Benji was healthy, I doubt anybody would trade with them. His OL situation throughout his career has been one of the worst in the NFL as well. The only players worth a darn other than him have been vets who were on their way out of the NFL until Cam came along. Steve Smith, Jonathan Stewart, Greg Olson, and DeAngelo Williams were either has beens or fading aways before he came there. His stats aren't that great because he doesn't have much to work with. He knows that each pass he throws he will have to either thread a needle or toss it up and hope his guy comes down with it. He doesn't have receivers who get open like the other guys do. He is as accomplished a passer as guys like Brady or Rogers or Manning, but he's still young. I can't think of any qb who would perform better with the panthers than they are with their own team, but Cam would certainly out perform a lot of other qb's if he was on their team and several qb's who are doing better than him now would be worse than him if they were on his team. For example, Rivers is a top 5 qb in the NFL. But Rivers with the Panthers would be a lower ranked qb than Cam with the panthers.

I too do not like Cam the person. However, Cam the football player is very talented. Top 10 in the NFL.
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EastexHawg

October 30, 2015, 09:44:08 am #8
Ah, the old "if he was with another team" argument.  What would football be without it?

The Panthers have one of the top defenses in the league.  Cam can win football games when he throws three interceptions because the other team isn't capitalizing on the turnovers and running up 30-35 points.

bennyl08

October 30, 2015, 10:25:34 am #9
Quote from: EastexHawg on October 30, 2015, 09:44:08 am
Ah, the old "if he was with another team" argument.  What would football be without it?

The Panthers have one of the top defenses in the league.  Cam can win football games when he throws three interceptions because the other team isn't capitalizing on the turnovers and running up 30-35 points.

If Cam played more cautious to not throw picks, then the other team would only need 1 fg to win barring a defensive td. Every inch they move down the field, Cam has to force.
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HiggiePiggy

October 30, 2015, 02:45:26 pm #10
He would probably one of my top 5-10 qbs to take in the league right now.
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