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Started by nwarazfan, February 09, 2006, 11:21:09 am

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nwarazfan

Have you heard or seen something that leads you to believe that we will not use a committee in our next football or basketball coaching search?

Since I doubt any of you have, are you willing to risk losing Weems or Washington and any progress this staff has made in acquiring a SG in the late signing period to go along with Ervin and our returning frontcourt(and maybe Brewer) for a Sun Belt or WAC or MEAC or Big Sky up and comer(because that is who will and can interview with committees)?

nobballconcept

hire a name coach and those guys do not go anywhere......

 

RAZORBART

Quote from: nobballconcept on February 09, 2006, 11:22:41 am
hire a name coach and those guys do not go anywhere......

think that was his point...... A big name coach ain't going to interview and that is one of many things that is wrong with this hiring by committee.

nwarazfan

Quote from: nobballconcept on February 09, 2006, 11:22:41 am
hire a name coach and those guys do not go anywhere......

Again, you aren't going to get a name coach to go through White's required committee process.  Remember Self, Tim Floyd...Butch Davis, Tommy Bowden, Tommy T?

Biggus Piggus

Heath didn't go through "White's required committee process."  He was handpicked by Broyles.
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nwarazfan

Quote from: Biggus Piggus on February 09, 2006, 11:45:28 am
Heath didn't go through "White's required committee process."  He was handpicked by Broyles.

BS- He may have been Franks' recommendation to the committee, but he was approved by the committee.

Biggus Piggus

Quote from: nwarazfan on February 09, 2006, 11:21:09 am
Have you heard or seen something that leads you to believe that we will not use a committee in our next football or basketball coaching search?

They didn't use a committee last time.  Broyles picked him, and he was rubber-stamped by the committee.  It was not a problem whatsoever.  Self wouldn't have gone through the committee, had we been willing to pay him more than Nolan got.  Our lawyers were too nervous about that.  Ridiculous.
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razrken

There was a committee....It consisted of Tommy Boyer, Joe Kleine, ERnie Murray, JJ Sullinger and a couple others.

Biggus Piggus

Quote from: razrken on February 09, 2006, 01:08:41 pm
There was a committee....It consisted of Tommy Boyer, Joe Kleine, ERnie Murray, JJ Sullinger and a couple others.

Yes, we know that, and it was a rubber stamp.  It was not like '97, where they asked anybody and everybody (except Tuberville) to parade themselves out in the open in Fayetteville if they were interested in the job.
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mikeirwin

The committee system is dead I believe. John White has had his wings clipped since the Heath hire took place.
Biggus is right. Both Nutt and Heath were Broyles approved. If Broyles had wanted somebody that the committee didn't want Broyles would have won out.
The point is the committee is not going to keep Frank from going after a name coach and chances are there won't be a committee anyway.
Of course chances are Heath will not be fired so it doesn't matter.

Biggus Piggus

If the Hogs win 20, it would look pretty lame to fire the guy.
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nwarazfan

A committee will keep a name coach from participating in the process.  We know the story on Nutt and who Broyles first "approved" and lost.

So if no committee, do we go the way of UCLA, Texas, S. Carolina, Kansas... on next coaching hire and take from a power conference school?

WILL CLINTON

Quote from: mikeirwin on February 09, 2006, 01:17:03 pm
The committee system is dead I believe. John White has had his wings clipped since the Heath hire took place.
Biggus is right. Both Nutt and Heath were Broyles approved. If Broyles had wanted somebody that the committee didn't want Broyles would have won out.
The point is the committee is not going to keep Frank from going after a name coach and chances are there won't be a committee anyway.
Of course chances are Heath will not be fired so it doesn't matter.

I thought Frank wanted Tommy T, and the BOT overruled him?  Am I wrong or misinformed or both?
There is no sacred ground for the conquered.

 

mikeirwin

February 09, 2006, 01:27:45 pm #13 Last Edit: February 09, 2006, 01:31:30 pm by mikeirwin
You don't know the whole story.
In a meeting in New York Tuberville told Frank that he would never interview in front of the committee. Frank said no problem he could get around that. He made Tuberville an offer. Tuberville said he needed time to think about it. He then went back home and got a pay raise from Ole Miss.  Frank realized that he'd have to get into a bidding war to get Tuberville and anybody who knows Frank knows that's not going to happen. Frank told Lindsey that he was okay with hiring Nutt and the rest is history.

WILL CLINTON

Quote from: mikeirwin on February 09, 2006, 01:27:45 pm
You don't know the whole story.
In a meeting in New York Tuberville told Frank that he would never interview in front of the committee. Frank said no problem he could get around that. He made Tuberville an offer. Tubervile said he needed time to think about it. He then when back home and got a pay raise from Ole Miss.  Frank realized that he'd have to get into a bidding war to get Tuberville and anybody who knows Frank knows that's not goign to happen. Frank told Lindsey that he was okay with hring Nutt and the reast is history.

Thanks for clearing that up. 
There is no sacred ground for the conquered.

oldbooniehog

Frank doesn't do "bidding wars."

Frank wants cheapo coaches who "grow" into the position.

Look at every single hire he's made for the major sports at Arkansas.

The one and only time Frank did not got get a fresh, unknown, "up and comer" at Arkansas was when he dug up the fossilized remains of Danny Ford to cover his monumental gaffe of giving Jack Crowe a contract extension just before whacking Jack Crowe exactly one game into the next season.

And on The Hill, what Frank wants is exactly what Frank gets.........

oldbooniehog

PIGOPOTTIEMUS

who cares  its all about the L`s
FIRE STAN NOW

nwarazfan

Quote from: oldbooniehog on February 09, 2006, 01:31:56 pm
Frank doesn't do "bidding wars."

Frank wants cheapo coaches who "grow" into the position.

Look at every single hire he's made for the major sports at Arkansas.

The one and only time Frank did not got get a fresh, unknown, "up and comer" at Arkansas was when he dug up the fossilized remains of Danny Ford to cover his monumental gaffe of giving Jack Crowe a contract extension just before whacking Jack Crowe exactly one game into the next season.

And on The Hill, what Frank wants is exactly what Frank gets.........

oldbooniehog

Those fossilized remains left the program much better off than he found it and played for an SEC Ch just 3 season into rebuilding.

nwarazfan

Quote from: mikeirwin on February 09, 2006, 01:27:45 pm
You don't know the whole story.
In a meeting in New York Tuberville told Frank that he would never interview in front of the committee. Frank said no problem he could get around that. He made Tuberville an offer. Tuberville said he needed time to think about it. He then went back home and got a pay raise from Ole Miss.  Frank realized that he'd have to get into a bidding war to get Tuberville and anybody who knows Frank knows that's not going to happen. Frank told Lindsey that he was okay with hiring Nutt and the rest is history.

So Orville was wrong about TT accepting Broyles offer after it was too late and the "mistake" had been made?

RAZORBART

Quote from: mikeirwin on February 09, 2006, 01:17:03 pm
The committee system is dead I believe. John White has had his wings clipped since the Heath hire took place.
Biggus is right. Both Nutt and Heath were Broyles approved. If Broyles had wanted somebody that the committee didn't want Broyles would have won out.
The point is the committee is not going to keep Frank from going after a name coach and chances are there won't be a committee anyway.
Of course chances are Heath will not be fired so it doesn't matter.

You all need to get your story to several BM donors and the RF because they tell a completely different version than you all do. I am sure That you and Biggus have better sources and it would help if you all straightened out these uninformed folks to keep these rumors from getting circulated.

nwarazfan

Quote from: RAZORBART on February 09, 2006, 01:40:44 pm
Quote from: mikeirwin on February 09, 2006, 01:17:03 pm
The committee system is dead I believe. John White has had his wings clipped since the Heath hire took place.
Biggus is right. Both Nutt and Heath were Broyles approved. If Broyles had wanted somebody that the committee didn't want Broyles would have won out.
The point is the committee is not going to keep Frank from going after a name coach and chances are there won't be a committee anyway.
Of course chances are Heath will not be fired so it doesn't matter.

You all need to get your story to several BM donors and the RF because they tell a completely different version than you all do. I am sure That you and Biggus have better sources and it would help if you all straightened out these uninformed folks to keep these rumors from getting circulated.

Completely different stories?