Lanny and Porkatarian, Arkansas played good defense against Mo.St.? What?

[ErieHog]

The death penalty for APR?    What is this Saudi Arabia?

He doesn't know basketball, so why should he know the NCAA's practices?

[Atkinhog5]

Here's what I think Atkins.

I think you're trolling.

Because to be honest, I think most people are fairly intelligent. I believe most people can think and write rationally and logically.

So when I see someone like you who obviously can't, I have to automatically assume you're putting on a show. Otherwise, when reading your posts my default position is to assume, because of the way you write, that you're ignorant.

Either way, I'm racking my brain trying to figure out what you bring to our little corner of Razorback internet world. Perhaps I'll come up with something before I reach the conclusion that the level of discourse on the board would rise if your account were simply deleted.

I'll get back to you on that.

What is trolling. I've been fishing before and trolled, but how do you troll on a message board? As far as my inabilities, if they are so numerous, how could anyone think it's for show? I have not stated one falsehood and have not taken issue with anyone. I am just a concerned Arkansas fan that has doubts about the direction this program is going and have simply pointed out my observations. Is this not allowed? 

[WilsonHog]

What is trolling. I've been fishing before and trolled, but how do you troll on a message board? As far as my inabilities, if they are so numerous, how could anyone think it's for show? I have not stated one falsehood and have not taken issue with anyone. I am just a concerned Arkansas fan that has doubts about the direction this program is going and have simply pointed out my observations. Is this not allowed? 

Tell you what. I'll let you stick around awhile.

Just as soon as you shoot me a PM confessing the other name you've posted under.

[Atkinhog5]

so you are saying that we should never let Washington set a screen because he could commit a foul

man if thats a problem we should never pass him the ball because he might charge into someone, and we should tell him to stand in the corner on defense because he might pick up a foul playing defense too,,,

I dont get how telling Mike Washington to set a screen is a coaching mistake with 11 minutes left in the first half of a game

When you have a big man they have no answer for, like Florida didn't that game, and your points are coming on the inside, why would you pull him twenty five feet from the basket to set a screen and risk a cheap foul? 

[Atkinhog5]

Tell you what. I'll let you stick around awhile.

Just as soon as you shoot me a PM confessing the other name you've posted under.

I simply just don't get this. What is PM?

[chiefsfan]

When you have a big man they have no answer for, like Florida didn't that game, and your points are coming on the inside, why would you pull him twenty five feet from the basket to set a screen and risk a cheap foul? 

Maybe because its called good basketball.   Even the best teams set screens

Should Rotnei Clarke never set screens simply because he might pick up a foul?

[WilsonHog]

I simply just don't get this. What is PM?

You overplayed your hand.

Say goodbye now.

[pick_DA_EAGLES]

a pelphrey mask.

[thirtythree]

a pelphrey mask.

Good one. +1

[Atkinhog5]

You overplayed your hand.

Say goodbye now.

say good bye? why would I do that?

[pick_DA_EAGLES]

because the powers that be, get rid of the trash everynow and again, atkins.

[Danny J]

because the powers that be, get rid of the trash everynow and again, atkins.

Would you guys quit arguing. I have a much more important matter to discuss with you EAGLES. Where did you get that avatar?

[pick_DA_EAGLES]

i just asked your wife if i could take her picture. LOL!

  JUST KIDDING!

It took a lot of searching, thru the video's of my wife.

Ok. Ok. Actually it came from google images.

[dagnamit]

Ah, you're one of THOSE guys. One of those folks who is so turned against John Pelphrey that it wouldn't matter what he did.

Thanks for identifying yourself. The rest of the logical and rational folks need to know so we can cull you from the herd.

LOL...a chameleon stirring the pot.

[BigHog396]

Did you have a lead at that point or not? When wahington went to the bench was that lead not surrendered? You can try and avoid the obvious, but Washington's presence on the floor should never be sacrificed for a shot. that was my point about the plays Pelphrey routinely draws up. It cost you games last year, and it nearly did the other night too. That Florida game was just one instance of this last year. I could name others, but the other night is just another example of why we must change coaches. I've heard it said that doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is insanity. This is what keeping Pelphrey is. He is still doing it. The guy doesn't learn from his mistakes. Why in the world would anyone want someone that can't learn from his mistakes as coach of their program.    

Maybe you need to go back and watch the game again.  In the first half, when Washington went to the bench with fouls, we went off and finished the half on something like a 15-4 run...  But don't let that little fact get in the way of you meaningless drivel.

[moses_007]

Somebody had a terrible mental lapse at the end of regulation because no one was back there protecting against the basket.  I don't believe Pel designed the play that way... whoever was supposed to guard the basket failed miserably.  There's no excuse for Missouri State to get an uncontested layup to tie the game at the end of regulation.

[Pork Twain]

All anyone needs to know about me is I will never be satisfied with that win the other night or John Pelphrey. He is simply a poor coach and that win was luck. Forgive me for not wetting on myself.

La-hoo-sa-her...

[Danny J]

Somebody had a terrible mental lapse at the end of regulation because no one was back there protecting against the basket.  I don't believe Pel designed the play that way... whoever was supposed to guard the basket failed miserably.  There's no excuse for Missouri State to get an uncontested layup to tie the game at the end of regulation.

What happened was britt was supposed to keep the ball in front of him but he went for the steal in the backcourt and fell down. That left it 5 on 4 so marshawn had to leave the paint so as not to give up a wide open 3 which would have won them the game. I would rather give up a layup and go to overtime versus giving up a wide open 3 and the game would have been over and people would then be on here screaming about giving up another wide open 3. I dont fault marshawn but I do find fault with britt going for the steal.

[fred ziffel]

Agree! For those that have been dogging Powell for leaving his man to guard the three. Imagine what may have happened if he had not......

What happened was britt was supposed to keep the ball in front of him but he went for the steal in the backcourt and fell down. That left it 5 on 4 so marshawn had to leave the paint so as not to give up a wide open 3 which would have won them the game. I would rather give up a layup and go to overtime versus giving up a wide open 3 and the game would have been over and people would then be on here screaming about giving up another wide open 3. I dont fault marshawn but I do find fault with britt going for the steal.

[Dirty]

Dang Wilson!  We were having  so much fun with our new little friend.  Good -Bye friend.

[Smokehouse]

say good bye? why would I do that?

man, Wilson, Atkinhog is making a strong push for you to place him on the "ignorant" end of his spectrum.

[Porkatarian]

I have nothing personal against Pelphrey.

I'm NOT convinced he has what it takes to restore our program to greatness.  I never thought I'd see the day when a Razorback coach would act like he just won the National Championship after beating Southwest Missouri State at Bud Walton Arena.

With that being said, I saw the best effort and defensive intensity since the Texas game last season.  I hope that we can maintain that level of play and that Pel will prove me wrong.


Porkatarian out...

[woopigsooie89]

I have nothing personal against Pelphrey.

I'm NOT convinced he has what it takes to restore our program to greatness.  I never thought I'd see the day when a Razorback coach would act like he just won the National Championship after beating Southwest Missouri State at Bud Walton Arena.

With that being said, I saw the best effort and defensive intensity since the Texas game last season.  I hope that we can maintain that level of play and that Pel will prove me wrong.


Porkatarian out...

I must say Pork, I used to despise you when you were being sarcastic in every post but lately I find myself reading and mostly agreeing with every one of your posts.

[WMHawgfan]

All anyone needs to know about me is I will never be satisfied with that win the other night or John Pelphrey. He is simply a poor coach and that win was luck. Forgive me for not wetting on myself.

if this is the case why are you asking pork and lanny these questions. you have your mind made up right? why are you instigating debate?

[WMHawgfan]

Somebody had a terrible mental lapse at the end of regulation because no one was back there protecting against the basket.  I don't believe Pel designed the play that way... whoever was supposed to guard the basket failed miserably.  There's no excuse for Missouri State to get an uncontested layup to tie the game at the end of regulation.

it was a breakdown right from the start. britt went for the steal on the inbound pass which was a mistake and that gave the dribbler a staight run at the basket. powell was forced to make a decision whether to stay at the basket or cutoff the drive and he made the wrong choice. wasn't a breakdown in design, it was a breakdown in execution.

[Iwastherein1969]

it was a breakdown right from the start. britt went for the steal on the inbound pass which was a mistake and that gave the dribbler a staight run at the basket. powell was forced to make a decision whether to stay at the basket or cutoff the drive and he made the wrong choice. wasn't a breakdown in design, it was a breakdown in execution.

sorta correct, the man (either Powell or Bryant), as I cannot remember, that was assigned the Missouri St postman underneath had a decision to make once Britt went for the steal....the dilemma was this, does he leave the Mizzou St center underneath wide open for the tying basket, or allow the 3 point sharp shooter an open look at the top of the key to WIN the game with a 3 ball ?  I was watching the time-out prior to Mizzou St inbounding the ball and Pelphrey said "NO THREE'S" what seemed like 10 times...therefore, having "NO THREE'S" drilled into his brain during the time out, our defender under the basket made a wise decision in coming off his man even though it led to overtime....the Mizzou St guard was lining up the winning 3 ball and would have likely buried it....i'm glad Powell or Bryant did what he did, it assured of us at least going into overtime....that's what I saw, did anyone see it differently ?

[HoopS]

Nope.   You get it. 

[GuvHog]

it was a breakdown right from the start. britt went for the steal on the inbound pass which was a mistake and that gave the dribbler a staight run at the basket. powell was forced to make a decision whether to stay at the basket or cutoff the drive and he made the wrong choice. wasn't a breakdown in design, it was a breakdown in execution.

Exactly. The mistake was Britt's. He shouldn't have gone after the steal because there was no need to. I wouldn't be
surprised if he got an earfull and then some from Pel just before overtime started.

[Dwight_K_Shrute]

i just asked your wife if i could take her picture. LOL!   JUST KIDDING! It took a lot of searching, thru the video's of my wife. Ok. Ok. Actually it came from google images.

Finally, some useful information, and that search term would be???

[akahogfan]

So, the other team shoots the ball 17 times more than we do, and scores less. And you are upset about our defense?     

Would you call a hail mary pass where the receiver breaks wide open and then drops the ball a bad decision by the coach? I would blame the guy that dropped the ball.

I believe that the search for the village idiot is over.

[Ray Piggers]

LOL @ Tyus Whitney.. wow.

[Lanny]

   This morning I have read a couple of things both of you have said about the Mo. St. game. I would like to pose a few questions for both of you to answer.

     Lanny, in your recent thread about the game you asked how could anyone be upset with the victory.

      I was terribly discouraged with this win, and I am convinced now more than ever John Pelphrey has no business being the leader of this team. My concerns are none that haven't been discussed on this board, but it seems some of us need a refresher course on what represents steps in the right direction.

      I know for a fact the hogs had that game won at the 3 min mark and still it went to overtime. How can this be explained? It went to OT after one of the worst prevent defense set ups with 4 seconds left I have ever seen. Now, I have seen Tyus Whitney go the floor in four seconds and score, but this was with someone all over him. What happened the other night was a joke. The hogs had the game won and it should have never went to overtime. The fact it did is only reflective of the lack of preparation that has represented a John Pelphrey tenure at Arkansas.  


      Porkatarian believes the hogs played good defense the other night. Did they really play good defense, or was it just better than they have played this year? See, Arkansas had twenty turnovers and Mo. St. only had 10. How can anyone claim the hogs played good defense when the other team only had 10 turnovers and Arkansas had 20? I really would like to know what you meant by your statement seeing Arkansas should've lost the game. 

Arkansas did out rebound them on the defensive side, but Mo. St. only shot 30% from the floor. If you watched the game then know that Mo. st. missed a lot of wide open shots. Since the shots were wide open, is the rebounding edge enjoyed by Arkansas not a little misleading? And, is it not a little fortunate for Arkansas and Pelphrey that Mo. St. couldn't make a shot in overtime? They sure had the opportunities, and they were wide open. In my view, the defense was better than it has been , but it wasn't good. Fact is, it wasn't even close to good. The truth of the matter is Mo. St. should have won the game. Arkansas was really, really, really lucky to get that win.
  
    So Lanny, is there nothing the fans shouldn't like about the game? Could you not find anything to be alarmed by? Yea, they got the win, but so what? This team is still led by a guy that is unproven, and at every turn shows he is in way over his head. Is it not alarming to you that Micheal Washington came in twenty pounds overweight, and out of shape? Not to mention the fact the kid can't play without picking up cheap fouls. He is being rendered de facto out of the game for large chunks of it even when he is on the floor.

      Now, this is Pelphrey's fault and no one else's. Micheal Wahington has no business picking up two fouls a game trying to set screens for Clarke twentyfive feet from the basket. Those are Pelphrey plays, and for too many games we have had to watch this young man sitting on the bench when he should have been on the floor because Pelphrey is unable to draw up plays that protect him from those loose fouls on the perimeter. It throws his whole game off and renders him ineffective when they need him to be aggressive. This is one of the reasons why Arkansas gets outrebounded every game. That and a lack of overall effort that seems to be routine under John Pelphrey. Rather anyone on here wants to admit it or not, this team is not fundamentally sound. That is the coaches fault. No one else's.

    So Lanny, as a fan, I shouldn't be disappointed with the win the other night when Arkansas did everything in the world to lose it, and should have? Hell, Mo. St. had three or four opportunities the last possession in OT two feet from the basket and couldn't get it in. Was that good defense, Porkatarian?

    

Any win is better than a good loss.  I'm not happy with the BB program now or with this coaching staff.  I am going to enjoy the Bowl season and wait until conference season begins before posting anything negative about Pelphrey.

[Razorpigg]

it was a breakdown right from the start. britt went for the steal on the inbound pass which was a mistake and that gave the dribbler a staight run at the basket. powell was forced to make a decision whether to stay at the basket or cutoff the drive and he made the wrong choice. wasn't a breakdown in design, it was a breakdown in execution.

Exactly. If Atkins knew ANYTHING about the actual game of basketball he would have seen this also.

[Porkatarian]

he won't be signing three because there aren't 3 scholarships available after this year.

Wrong.  When Farmer, Britt, and Johnson graduate, that will open up 3 scholarships.  The math really isn't that hard.  We may have 4 scholarships in that class, b/c I've heard for some time now that this will be Courtney's last year at the UA.  That's been the word since prior to his suspension.  I'm hoping that Pel (or whoever is our coach at the time) will use that 4th scholarship on David Rivers. 


Porkatarian out...

[GuvHog]

Wrong.  When Farmer, Britt, and Johnson graduate, that will open up 3 scholarships.  The math really isn't that hard.  We may have 4 scholarships in that class, b/c I've heard for some time now that this will be Courtney's last year at the UA.  That's been the word since prior to his suspension.  I'm hoping that Pel (or whoever is our coach at the time) will use that 4th scholarship on David Rivers. 


Porkatarian out...

Don't know if it's true or not but I've heard that Courtney's family is putting a lot of pressure on Courtney to
stay at the U of A. That's just idle talk from different people so I don't know what to believe. As for the 4th
scholarship, I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see Sanchez give up basketball after this year. His feet are
giving him serious problems and he's only come off of the bench in 2 games then didn't even dress out for
the last 2.

[eathill5]

Who is Tyus Whitney?

I think you mean Edney, I would correct other things in your post but Tyus Whitney was as far as I got.

[pick_DA_EAGLES]

if they are refering to uhe UCLA p.g. That beat ark. In the 95 n.c.g. I think its edney as well.