Enos on the 4 QB's entering practice

[ricepig]

http://espn.go.com/blog/sec/post/_/id/115558/arkansas-has-plenty-of-options-at-quarterback

[Hawgey-Davidson]

Good read. Thanks rice.

[Razorbacker79]

Thanks for the link!  Can't wait to see how this plays out.

[bphi11ips]

According to CDE, "Probably the best pure passer . . ." is











Rafe Peavey

[31to6]

According to CDE, "Probably the best pure passer . . ." is

Rafe Peavey

He has always had a cannon for an arm. There is a reason he was so highly recruited out of Bolivar, MO.

[zane]

Stopped reading when he called St Gus and Sumlin QB "gurus"...

[RebelW]

"Little brother did better than big brother"
"Whoa, that guy is good"
I like what I here about AA

[bennyl08]

According to CDE, "Probably the best pure passer . . ." is

Rafe Peavey

Not really what he said though.

Best pure passer in terms of arm strength and getting the ball down the field is what was said. No statement whatsoever about accuracy, decision making, throwing receivers open, etc...

For those interested, from the article

Town: quick release, great feet, big hands.
Storey: Off the charts football intelligence, more of a gamer who does his best under competitive situations
Peavey: Arm strength, good feed, works hard.
Allen: Combo guy. Implied that he isn't as intelligent as Storey, as quick as Town, as strong an arm as Peavey, but has a good blend of the other's talents.

[choppedporkextrasauce]

That can't be right because I have read repeatedly by posters on Hogville that Peavy had a weak arm, and you know if you you've read it on Hogville it must be true.

[bennyl08]

That can't be right because I have read repeatedly by posters on Hogville that Peavy had a weak arm, and you know if you you've read it on Hogville it must be true.

That has been said about every quarterback on the roster right now and has been true about none of them.

[swinesation]

Not really what he said though.

Best pure passer in terms of arm strength and getting the ball down the field is what was said. No statement whatsoever about accuracy, decision making, throwing receivers open, etc...

For those interested, from the article

Town: quick release, great feet, big hands.
Storey: Off the charts football intelligence, more of a gamer who does his best under competitive situations
Peavey: Arm strength, good feed, works hard.
Allen: Combo guy. Implied that he isn't as intelligent as Storey, as quick as Town, as strong an arm as Peavey, but has a good blend of the other's talents.

Good summary, but I didn't get the feeling Enos was implying Austin wasn't as intelligent as Storey, quick as Town, or strong-armed as Peavey. On the contrary, I got the feeling that he was saying Austin had all those positive attributes in one package.

[bennyl08]

Good summary, but I didn't get the feeling Enos was implying Austin wasn't as intelligent as Storey, quick as Town, or strong-armed as Peavey. On the contrary, I got the feeling that he was saying Austin had all those positive attributes in one package.

Could be right, I was going off of the quotes though, which I admittedly paraphrased in my post. For example

Storey: "... off the charts with his football intelligence. I mean off the charts."
Allen: "really has a good grasp of what we're doing too."

Peavey: "But tremendous arm strength"
Allen: "really good arm strength"

Basically, the tone I got from the written words is similar to what you sort of see with Aaron Rogers in the NFL. There are guys who are faster than he is, guys who have a stronger arm than he does, guys who can read the defense better than him, etc... However, he is by far the most complete package. That's kind of how I was interpreting this article on Enos. Essentially, we have guys with A+'s in some categories, but might be a B- in others while Austin is an A- in everything.

[Tejano Jawg]

Stopped reading when he called St Gus and Sumlin QB "gurus"...

I didn't stop reading there...but I did get a chuckle at that part.

Let's see, Gus had 2 transfers—Cam and Marshall—fall into his lap ready to go. That hardly makes him a guru. And Sumlin may get a good quarterback, at least for a few early games, but he can't keep them. That was the strangest of the two.

But I enjoyed the article.

[Kevin]

All this fuss over a position that is filled already.

Starting Qb will be Allen.

But hey, that is what everyone wants to report on and people want to hear about

[bennyl08]

All this fuss over a position that is filled already.

Starting Qb will be Allen.

But hey, that is what everyone wants to report on and people want to hear about

Austin Allen has already won the starting job in the same way Luck had won the heisman this time 2011. Odds on favorite? Yes. Favorite to win for good reason? Yes. However, he never won the heisman. A lesser known qb from Baylor won it.

[ChitownHawg]

Good summary, but I didn't get the feeling Enos was implying Austin wasn't as intelligent as Storey, quick as Town, or strong-armed as Peavey. On the contrary, I got the feeling that he was saying Austin had all those positive attributes in one package.

That was the way I read it as well.

[ChitownHawg]

All this fuss over a position that is filled already.

Starting Qb will be Allen.

But hey, that is what everyone wants to report on and people want to hear about

And so it begins. If AA wins the starting position then there was no real competition. If someone else wins then there was.

Why is it so hard for some to believe AA may be the best QB today? People seem to think CBB doesn't really care to put the winning QB on the field. If CDE tells CBB X is the best QB then X will start.

People are also ignoring that 5 out of the last 6 years CDE has had a 3,000 yard passer.

IMHO whoever CDE chooses as the starter will be the best QB. End of story. IMHO.

[oldbear]

I didn't stop reading there...but I did get a chuckle at that part.

Let's see, Gus had 2 transfers—Cam and Marshall—fall into his lap ready to go. That hardly makes him a guru. And Sumlin may get a good quarterback, at least for a few early games, but he can't keep them. That was the strangest of the two.

But I enjoyed the article.

That part was funny and killed his credibility. I'm not sure about Sumlin before he was a head coach, but I am aware of one quarterback that has actually stuck in the NFL between the two and that was the one that Gus had for exactly one year. The rest of the article was a pretty good read.

[atekido]

Austin Allen has already won the starting job in the same way Luck had won the heisman this time 2011. Odds on favorite? Yes. Favorite to win for good reason? Yes. However, he never won the heisman. A lesser known qb from Baylor won it.

Oh you mean that same lesser QB who... wait for it... was lesser, inferior, a drama queen, nothing without his legs, a shell of himself and most likely isn't going to amount to anything in the NFL.  vs Luck who is considered a top tier NFL QB...?  I guess AA is going to wind up being really good.

[MuskogeeHogFan]

All this fuss over a position that is filled already.

Starting Qb will be Allen.

But hey, that is what everyone wants to report on and people want to hear about

I don't think that there is any question that at this point, the job is AA's to lose by virtue of the fact that he is the only QB who has seen any game time and his seniority in terms of having been a part of the program longer than any other QB that we have. But, these two things alone, don't necessarily guarantee him the starting job. He has to prove that he is going to perform better in meetings, film study and on the field, just like the others. That said, I fully expect AA to be the starter in the Fall based off of everything that we have heard and read so far with regard to the pecking order mentioned by Enos. But things can change.

[hobhog]

Amazing how so many people can read the exact same article and come away with different reads. My read was he was complimentary of all of them, but AA is currently the man.

Things can change in 5 months. We don't have to pick a starter now do we?

[DeltaBoy]

It looks good to me.

[Bacons Rebellion]

The nice thing is that if anyone else beats out Allen in fall camp, it probably won't be because we are desperately searching for a quarterback that can run the team (1996, 2001, 2005, 2006).

[onebadrubi]

Looks like Enos took everyting needed to make a great QB and broke it down to spread across 4 QB's giving each one one of the great attributes.  Hmmm..

[hogsanity]

Looks like Enos took everyting needed to make a great QB and broke it down to spread across 4 QB's giving each one one of the great attributes.  Hmmm..

The simplest answer could be just that all 4 of them are exactly as described. Each having an advantage over some of the others in some way which means there is no clear cut guy. If that's the case, they will do what coaches do, and go with the guy least likely to get them beat.

[RME]

The simplest answer could be just that all 4 of them are exactly as described. Each having an advantage over some of the others in some way which means there is no clear cut guy. If that's the case, they will do what coaches do, and go with the guy least likely to get them beat.

I hope our players and coaches have a little more competitive spirit than you do.

[ricepig]

Y'all do know that Enos did the rankings and critiques?

[DiamondHogFan]

I'm just glad that if whoever our starter is happens to go down...we have very competent backups.  We won't have to have a superman playing with a separated shoulder and injured leg trying to limp it out just because the next guy up isn't capable.  Not sure how the reps are split up right now, but all 4 of these guys are practicing like they are the starter (at least I hope they are or they won't ever be the starter). 

We are in good hands with CBB and CDE.  Our WR group will make any of the QBs look better than they probably are due to the depth and experience we have on the outside.  That is HUGE for a new QB. 

I realize this is a thread about what CDE sees in each QB currently, but I'm more concerned with the protection our QB will have.  We need our O-Line to step up and give the young QB confidence that he will have time to do what he needs to do.

[Tyro3]

I'm just glad that if whoever our starter is happens to go down...we have very competent backups.  We won't have to have a superman playing with a separated shoulder and injured leg trying to limp it out just because the next guy up isn't capable.  Not sure how the reps are split up right now, but all 4 of these guys are practicing like they are the starter (at least I hope they are or they won't ever be the starter). 

We are in good hands with CBB and CDE.  Our WR group will make any of the QBs look better than they probably are due to the depth and experience we have on the outside.  That is HUGE for a new QB. 

I realize this is a thread about what CDE sees in each QB currently, but I'm more concerned with the protection our QB will have.  We need our O-Line to step up and give the young QB confidence that he will have time to do what he needs to do.

Amen to the protection, if your running for your life, not many good things are going to happen.

[hogsanity]

I hope our players and coaches have a little more competitive spirit than you do.

So you don't think that is what most coaches do when faced with a qb battle with no clear cut #1 guy?

[RME]

So you don't think that is what most coaches do when faced with a qb battle with no clear cut #1 guy?

I think they put the guy out there who gives them the best chance to win the game. Not put the guy out there who is "least likely to get them beat."

A: "Well, we'll throw ____ out there because he gives us the best chance to go out and win the damn thing."
B:" Well, we'll throw ____ out there because he's the one who is least likely to get us beat."

[DiamondHogFan]

So you don't think that is what most coaches do when faced with a qb battle with no clear cut #1 guy?

No, that's what coaches do when they are drawing up prevent defenses.

[fishes2000]

If it's third and twelve and the pocket breaks down which one give us the best chance at scrambling for the first? I know Peavey has good wheels what about the others?

[PorkRinds]

If it's third and twelve and the pocket breaks down which one give us the best chance at scrambling for the first? I know Peavey has good wheels what about the others?

If it's third and 12, I want the guy that can make a pass happen.  A 12 yard scramble for the first is unlikely.

[Deep Shoat]

If it's third and 12, I want the guy that can make a pass happen.  A 12 yard scramble for the first is unlikely.

Exactly!  Why can't people see this?  Even the best running QB's don't convert 3rd and 12 with their legs as often as a good passing QB converts it.

[ricepig]

If it's third and twelve and the pocket breaks down which one give us the best chance at scrambling for the first? I know Peavey has good wheels what about the others?

I  want the one who won't fumble or throw a pick.

[fishes2000]

I want the guy that can complete the pass also, but we all know there are times the qb must run. I want someone that can do both when needed. So I guess my question is when he must run who is the better of the four? It's been awhile since any of them have taken a hit. Hope they don't fumble when it happens.

[DiamondHogFan]

I want the guy that keeps us away from 3rd and 12s.....

[jgphillips3]

The order in which he spoke of them was inverse based on seniority, not necessarily a ranking but in fairness, Town is still too green to be ranked ahead of Storey or Peavey...yet.  The most interesting thing to me is that Storey may be a gamer.  I like that.  That's what BA was missing until mid year last year.  Should be an interesting Spring and a much more interesting Fall camp to see the separation take place.

[hawganatic]

If it's third and twelve and the pocket breaks down which one give us the best chance at scrambling for the first? I know Peavey has good wheels what about the others?

The goal is to stay out of 3rd and 12.  Who gives us the best chance of managing 1st down and making a play on 2nd down?

[bennyl08]

I think they put the guy out there who gives them the best chance to win the game. Not put the guy out there who is "least likely to get them beat."

A: "Well, we'll throw ____ out there because he gives us the best chance to go out and win the damn thing."
B:" Well, we'll throw ____ out there because he's the one who is least likely to get us beat."

A: He has a great arm and can make all the throws. He has several fourth quarter comebacks. However, he trusts his arm too much and throws way too many picks. Often times the only reason we are in the position of having to stage a comeback is because of the interceptions in the first place.

B: He can make most of the throws, but not all of them. Because he knows that his arm is limited, he works harder to understand the defense and be able to read it while also working harder on the timing with the receivers so that he can throw it before they are even open, which helps alleviate the problems of the slower ball velocity. He therefore rarely throws interceptions, and will throw the ball away or take the sack rather than attempting a dangerous throw or fumble the ball.

If you have a team that can win without your qb having to force the ball, then typically qb B is the way to go. Methodical, nickel and dime the defense, let the playmakers elsewhere do the heavy lifting. QB A will get you a jaw dropping 45 yard pass one play and then an interception the next. Obviously, the ideal is a qb who can both win you games and not lose you games.

[Oklahawg]

I want the guy that keeps us away from 3rd and 12s.....

Bingo

[fishes2000]

I want the guy that keeps us away from 3rd and 12s.....

I agree I want the qb that keeps us out of 3 and 12 but its not always on the qb that puts us there. We are going to replace 3 out of 5 on line. Can't have penalties at important times in game with  new people. That is why I want to know what qb can run for his life if needed to get us out of bad plays because receivers haven't had time to run their routes.

[Supermark101]

According to CDE, "Probably the best pure passer . . ." is











Rafe Peavey

I still say he ends up at TE, WR, or transfers. I don't think he starts over Allen, and the other will be close or better for the back up. He is too good an athlete to keep off the field. That's my opinion

[DiamondHogFan]

I agree I want the qb that keeps us out of 3 and 12 but its not always on the qb that puts us there. We are going to replace 3 out of 5 on line. Can't have penalties at important times in game with  new people. That is why I want to know what qb can run for his life if needed to get us out of bad plays because receivers haven't had time to run their routes.

We may very well see different QBs in different situations.  Piece from the linked article...

"And while he pointed out that he won't go with quarterback-by-committee, he did say that "if one guy does something really well and another guy can't do it, I'm not afraid to work something out in those regards.""

We will have the best option on the field, whoever that may be.  I'm excited...this is a good problem to have.  It may not seem so immediately, but we are deep with what seem to be (based on how they were recruited) 4 SEC caliber QBs.

[KlubhouseKonnected]

Amazing how so many people can read the exact same article and come away with different reads. My read was he was complimentary of all of them, but AA is currently the man.

Things can change in 5 months. We don't have to pick a starter now do we?

My impression was that he was highlighting their strengths and to an extent indicating their deficiencies which with respect to Allen indicated that while their may be some areas where another one of our guys might be stronger, Allen has the most complete total package of skill (i.e. the one whose weak spots are less glaring) at this time.

[ChitownHawg]

Exactly!  Why can't people see this?  Even the best running QB's don't convert 3rd and 12 with their legs as often as a good passing QB converts it.

Unless it was our defense on the field and the offense was Ole Miss. 

[LZH]

I hope our players and coaches have a little more competitive spirit than you do.

Hogsanity is 120% exactly right. Expecting an inexperienced quarterback to beat an SEC defense is a recipe for disaster. Throw him out there and ask him to win the ball game for you is ridiculous. If he can, great. Otherwise, run the offense and don't get us beat.

[MuskogeeHogFan]

We may very well see different QBs in different situations.  Piece from the linked article...

"And while he pointed out that he won't go with quarterback-by-committee, he did say that "if one guy does something really well and another guy can't do it, I'm not afraid to work something out in those regards.""

We will have the best option on the field, whoever that may be.  I'm excited...this is a good problem to have.  It may not seem so immediately, but we are deep with what seem to be (based on how they were recruited) 4 SEC caliber QBs.

The only problem with that is that if one QB is the better situational passer and another is a better situational runner, if you trot them out in those particular situations of need on a regular basis, you telegraph your tendency to the defense. I believe that our coaching staff is too experienced and intelligent to allow this to happen.

[Iwastherein1969]

...And the "band plays on..."   Hog fans bitchin' and moanin' about have 4, maybe 5 QB's in a competition...all of them 4 stars...all of them bringing something special to the mix...wow, 'we bitsch when it rains, and bitsch when it doesn't'    Ya gotta love it !