Game 1 NLCS highlights on jumbo-tron?

[popcornhog]

I can't remember whether or not this was an issue last year, but I feel that the Athletic Dept is rather clueless when it comes to the tie between Arkansas fans and the St. Louis Cardinals. If the Cards score early, it needs to be shown at DWRRS.

Those of us that grew up calling the hogs in East Arkansas also grew up on KMOX. In fact, KMOX was our forefathers' only form of entertainment growing up in many instances.

Anyway -- it's obviously a very tough call for many of us -- do we head to Fayetteville and miss the beginning of the game against the Giants or head to Saint Louis and miss the end of the Razorback game? Me? I'm heading to Fayetteville and then driving through the night to Saint Louis for game 2.

WPS

[PorkerOinker]

The last thing that needs to be on the athletic departments mind Saturday is the score of the Cardinals game. There is no tie whatsoever between our football program and the Cardinals.

[ShadowTheHedgehog]

I can't remember whether or not this was an issue last year, but I feel that the Athletic Dept is rather clueless when it comes to the tie between Arkansas fans and the St. Louis Cardinals. If the Cards score early, it needs to be shown at DWRRS.

Those of us that grew up calling the hogs in East Arkansas also grew up on KMOX. In fact, KMOX was our forefathers' only form of entertainment growing up in many instances.

Anyway -- it's obviously a very tough call for many of us -- do we head to Fayetteville and miss the beginning of the game against the Giants or head to Saint Louis and miss the end of the Razorback game? Me? I'm heading to Fayetteville and then driving through the night to Saint Louis for game 2.

WPS

Not a tough call at all, Go Hogs.

[FreshHog]

No thanks.

[TheGreatHogsby]

The last thing that needs to be on the athletic departments mind Saturday is the score of the Cardinals game. There is no tie whatsoever between our football program and the Cardinals.

There is a tie in. OP is right.

[ErieHog]

The last thing that needs to be on the athletic departments mind Saturday is the score of the Cardinals game. There is no tie whatsoever between our football program and the Cardinals.

Amen.

[PorkerOinker]

There is a tie in. OP is right.

Please inform me of the tie in between our football PROGRAM(not fans) and the Cardinals.

[Smokehouse]

I'm a Braves fan. There are a lot of Braves fans across the south thanks to TBS. Maybe if the Bravos ever get back to October playing time I can try to shoehorn in some score updates too.

[PorkerOinker]

I'm a Braves fan. There are a lot of Braves fans across the south thanks to TBS. Maybe if the Bravos ever get back to October playing time I can try to shoehorn in some score updates too.

Exactly I grew up on the Braves, not that I ever have to worry about keeping up with their scores in October but if they were playing I could care less if the U of A showed their scores at a football game.

[popcornhog]

Please inform me of the tie in between our football PROGRAM(not fans) and the Cardinals.

With the fans, not the program directly. And it's probably more so with fans from East Arkansas/Memphis/Little Rock.

When my grandfather was growing up outside of Jonesboro, KMOX was the primary form of media entertainment. They'd stay up listening to the games all summer. This was in the days before Sports Center, cable, or even TV. Heck, if you listen to current day broadcasts, Mike Shannon is constantly referencing the great fans in various towns across Arkansas.

As kids we were always equally excited about trips to Fayetteville for football/baseball games as we were to go to stl for Cards games.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think that most of us (hog fans) are Cardinals fans. After watching most of 162 game throughout the year, it's very rewarding to be in the NLCS and it sucks badly to miss a game. Since I have to pick, it's the Hogs for me -- I went to school there and I hate missing games even more than Cards games. But I think most of us would like to see updates on the big screen -- at least if runs are scored.

[popcornhog]

Please inform me of the tie in between our football PROGRAM(not fans) and the Cardinals.

Just a side note, but out of curiosity, are you a Giants fan or do you just generally dislike the Cardinals?

[PorkerOinker]

Just a side note, but out of curiosity, are you a Giants fan or do you just generally dislike the Cardinals?

General dislike for the Cardinals.

[popcornhog]

General dislike for the Cardinals.

Sorry -- I see you're a Braves fan, didn't see that before I asked the question.

What caused such a strong dislike of a team outside of your division? I've always been pretty indifferent to teams outside of the NL Central.

[PorkerOinker]

Sorry -- I see you're a Braves fan, didn't see that before I asked the question.

What caused such a strong dislike of a team outside of your division? I've always been pretty indifferent to teams outside of the NL Central.

I grew up a Braves fan, and after years and years of people asking me "how could you grow up in Arkansas and not be a Cardinals can?" I just grew to dislike them, have lots of family that are Cardinals fans and when they go on and on all the time about the Cardinals, the rest of us in the family (that are Braves fans) just get tired of hearing it.

With that being said I love to go to St Louis and watch games, because it's a fun town to hang out in, I just root for whoever else they are playing if I can't make it up for a Braves series.

Same thing goes for the Dallas Cowboys with me, although that dislike has more to do with being a Buffalo Bills fan when I was younger man those Super Bowls killed me.

[popcornhog]

I grew up a Braves fan, and after years and years of people asking me "how could you grow up in Arkansas and not be a Cardinals can?" I just grew to dislike them, have lots of family that are Cardinals fans and when they go on and on all the time about the Cardinals, the rest of us in the family (that are Braves fans) just get tired of hearing it.

With that being said I love to go to St Louis and watch games, because it's a fun town to hang out in, I just root for whoever else they are playing if I can't make it up for a Braves series.

Haha, I guess I can see how that would get old. Maybe you'll see the light one day.

[ErieHog]

Cardinals fans are the #1 cause of people disliking the Cardinals, as evidenced by this thread.


It never occurs to Cardinals fans that their preferences aren't universal; I don't even have a rooting interest in the National League, but Cardinals fans are so awful that I'll go out of my way to cheer against them at every opportunity.

[popcornhog]

Cardinals fans are the #1 cause of people disliking the Cardinals, as evidenced by this thread.


It never occurs to Cardinals fans that their preferences aren't universal; I don't even have a rooting interest in the National League, but Cardinals fans are so awful that I'll go out of my way to cheer against them at every opportunity.

Really? Damn, I certainly didn't mean to be arrogant or offensive or obnoxious. It's just been my experience as someone who grew up in East Arkansas, went to school at the UA, and lived in Little Rock for 3 years, that a pretty strong majority of folks are Cardinals fans.

I certainly realize that there are fans of other teams, but I've always thought of them as Arkansas' unofficial team. The history of the Travs combined with the proximity to the state, players with Arkansas ties, and the power of KMOX are just part of the fabric of Arkansas -- just like the Razorbacks. It seems to make sense that many (admittedly not all) fans would be eager for updates.

[The Boar War]

There's an interesting pattern here.  Some people become anti Cardinal because the people around them like the Cardinals.  A lot of the militant ASU fans became that way because of the overwhelming exposure the U of A gets in state.  So anti-Cardinal fans are just like ASU fans.

[jrulz83]

There's an interesting pattern here.  Some people become anti Cardinal because the people around them like the Cardinals.  A lot of the militant ASU fans became that way because of the overwhelming exposure the U of A gets in state.  So anti-Cardinal fans are just like ASU fans.

[ErieHog]

Really? Damn, I certainly didn't mean to be arrogant or offensive or obnoxious. It's just been my experience as someone who grew up in East Arkansas, went to school at the UA, and lived in Little Rock for 3 years, that a pretty strong majority of folks are Cardinals fans.

I certainly realize that there are fans of other teams, but I've always thought of them as Arkansas' unofficial team. The history of the Travs combined with the proximity to the state, players with Arkansas ties, and the power of KMOX are just part of the fabric of Arkansas -- just like the Razorbacks. It seems to make sense that many (admittedly not all) fans would be eager for updates.

And it is exactly that sort of assumption that rankles so many, just so.

Really, for many of us,  Cardinals fans are really just Yankee or Red Sox fans, with a better accent.

[ErieHog]

There's an interesting pattern here.  Some people become anti Cardinal because the people around them like the Cardinals.  A lot of the militant ASU fans became that way because of the overwhelming exposure the U of A gets in state.  So anti-Cardinal fans are just like ASU fans.

Nope.   It isn't a question of exposure, it is a question of conduct.    Cowboys fans are very similar to the Cardinals fans, in that regard.   

[PorkerOinker]

Haha, I guess I can see how that would get old. Maybe you'll see the light one day.

I have a cousin that is a Cubs fan, seen him and buddy nearly throw down one night during the post season. My cousin said he would root for Al Qaeda if they had a baseball team before he would root for the Cardinals it was classic.

[popcornhog]

And it is exactly that sort of assumption that rankles so many, just so.

Really, for many of us,  Cardinals fans are really just Yankee or Red Sox fans, with a better accent.

I guess that's my point -- it's not really an assumption, it's factual.

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[The Boar War]

And it is exactly that sort of assumption that rankles so many, just so.

Really, for many of us,  Cardinals fans are really just Yankee or Red Sox fans, with a better accent.

Rangers fan?

[PorkerOinker]

And it is exactly that sort of assumption that rankles so many, just so.

Really, for many of us,  Cardinals fans are really just Yankee or Red Sox fans, with a better accent.

I have actually sit in the old Busch Stadium and cheered for the Yankees during an inter league game.

[ErieHog]

I guess that's my point -- it's not really an assumption, it's factual.

And again, the point sails by Cardinals fans.

Yes, they are the single largest fan base in the area;  no one is disputing that-- if you delve into your own map,  for most of the state--  even in Central and Eastern Arkansas, the Cardinals aren't even 40% of baseball fans, but act as though they are the only fans in town.

A tiny ounce of hesitation, before declaring a statewide following of the Cardinals, would do wonders for the impression of non-Cardinals fans, towards the Cardinal fan base.

[ErieHog]

Rangers fan?

Nah.  The Rangers never really resonated with me; I know a fair number of younger Rangers fans, though.   In the long run, they and the Royals are likely to make further inroads regionally.

[ErieHog]

I have actually sit in the old Busch Stadium and cheered for the Yankees during an inter league game.

Man.  That's rough.  I probably would have sold the tickets.

[redeye]

And it is exactly that sort of assumption that rankles so many, just so.

Really, for many of us,  Cardinals fans are really just Yankee or Red Sox fans, with a better accent.

Except that Arkansas is Cardinals territory and the other two are not.  We're in the Cardinals market, and while the loyalty isn't as strong as it once was, the Cardinals are still the most popular MLB team in Arkansas.

I grew up supporting the Cardinals before the TBS bandwagon fans appeared, because my family's from St. Louis.  So, I think it would be great if they showed the game, but I understand why they won't.  It's too bad that Fox owns the rights, because otherwise you could buy a cheap portable TV and watch both.  So it looks like you're stuck watching it on your phone or tablet.

Go Cards!

[ErieHog]

Except that Arkansas is Cardinals territory and the other two are not.  We're in the Cardinals market, and while the loyalty isn't as strong as it once was, the Cardinals are still the most popular MLB team in Arkansas.

It really, really isn't.   Arkansas is a divided territory, with a preponderance-- nowhere near a majority--- of Cardinals fans.    It is a very important distinction.  Being the most popular does not mean being the only.  That's the disconnect that Cardinals fans seem not to get.

If baseball fans are roughly spread out in a fashion similar to the population spread, there is an argument to be made that less than a third of Arkansas are Cardinals loyalists--   in the 5 most populous counties,  none has more than 28% Cardinals fans. 

I grew up supporting the Cardinals before the TBS bandwagon fans appeared, because my family's from St. Louis.  So, I think it would be great if they showed the game, but I understand why they won't.  It's too bad that Fox owns the rights, because otherwise you could buy a cheap portable TV and watch both.  So it looks like you're stuck watching it on your phone or tablet.

Go Cards!

I grew up completely ambivalent to the National League.

Cardinals fans have driven me to despise the team in St. Louis.

[redeye]

It really, really isn't.   Arkansas is a divided territory, with a preponderance-- nowhere near a majority--- of Cardinals fans.    It is a very important distinction.  Being the most popular does not mean being the only.  That's the disconnect that Cardinals fans seem not to get.

I grew up completely ambivalent to the National League.

Cardinals fans have driven me to despise the team in St. Louis.

Arkansas was Cardinals territory when the Braves were in Boston and long before the Rangers were in existence.  That's a fact.

National League baseball is real baseball, so I'm not fond of the American League, either.  The National League plays the game as it's been played for over 100 years and I never saw the need to change it.

[ErieHog]

Arkansas was Cardinals territory when the Braves were in Boston and long before the Rangers were in existence.  That's a fact.

National League baseball is real baseball, so I'm not fond of the American League, either.  The National League plays the game as it's been played for over 100 years and I never saw the need to change it.

Was.  It isn't now, thank God.    Quit trying to tie a real statewide brand that still commands overwhelming loyalty at more than twice the rate of the Cardinals,  to the Cardinals.

[redeye]

Was.  It isn't now, thank God.    Quit trying to tie a real statewide brand that still commands overwhelming loyalty at more than twice the rate of the Cardinals,  to the Cardinals.

I'm not sure what that means, but note that I previously said I understood why they wouldn't show the game.  I'm fine with that.

[ErieHog]

I'm not sure what that means, but note that I previously said I understood why they wouldn't show the game.  I'm fine with that.

"Arkansas is Cardinals Territory"

No, it isn't.   It is divided territory for fans, with no single team commanding the loyalty of more than about a third of the population.  There's nothing wrong with that; everything doesn't need to be  all-Cardinals, all the time. 

Instead, we get ideas like this thread.  The tone-deafness of Cardinals fans would astonish, if it were anyone else.

[MissippHog]

I have ran into many Cardinals / Hogs fans in the surrounding Memphis area.  My entire family are Hogs / Cards fans.

[redeye]

"Arkansas is Cardinals Territory"

No, it isn't.   It is divided territory for fans, with no single team commanding the loyalty of more than about a third of the population.  There's nothing wrong with that; everything doesn't need to be  all-Cardinals, all the time. 

Instead, we get ideas like this thread.  The tone-deafness of Cardinals fans would astonish, if it were anyone else.

You can try to deny it all you want, but the Cardinals were the overwhelmingly favorite team in Arkansas before either of us was born.  It's in our state roots.

Besides, there is no other team that plays baseball the way it's meant to be played, as well as the Cardinals have, and still do.  I don't know how anyone who truly enjoyed the sport could not appreciate how the Cardinals play and what they've accomplished.

[redeye]

I have ran into many Cardinals / Hogs fans in the surrounding Memphis area.  My entire family are Hogs / Cards fans.

You'll find Cardinals fans all throughout the South, because they were the Southernmost team until the late fifties.

[ErieHog]

You can try to deny it all you want, but the Cardinals were the overwhelmingly favorite team in Arkansas before either of us was born.  It's in our state roots.

You'll find no denial of the past;  I've even emphasized it is just that-- the PAST.  Not now; it is dead.   Our media, especially local sports-radio has been terrible at acknowledging it.

Besides, there is no other team that plays baseball the way it's meant to be played, as well as the Cardinals have, and still do.  I don't know how anyone who truly enjoyed the sport could not appreciate how the Cardinals play and what they've accomplished.

There are so many individual subjective judgments in that, that it is hard to parse.

No, while more Arkansans root for the Cardinals than any other MLB, the extremely solid majority of us do not root for the Cardinals, are tired of the Cardinals, and would kill for anything baseball related to not be  'Cardinals, Cardinals, Cardinals...oh, Cardinals....',  to actually reflect the self-identification of fans in the state.

[redeye]

ErieHog, I'm just giving you a hard time because the Cardinals won and advanced to the NCLS for the 4th consecutive year.  I don't really care how strong, or weak, the support is for the Cardinals in Arkansas.  But I will note that in the distant past, the St. Louis Cardinals were likely more popular in this state then the Arkansas Razorbacks.

[pigture perfect]

If you don't like the Cardinals, I certainly won't lose sleep over it. I just don't understand the level of hatred.

[ErieHog]

ErieHog, I'm just giving you a hard time because the Cardinals won and advanced to the NCLS for the 4th consecutive year.  I don't really care how strong, or weak, the support is for the Cardinals in Arkansas.  But I will note that in the distant past, the St. Louis Cardinals were likely more popular in this state then the Arkansas Razorbacks.

It would have to be the very distant past;  either that, or the Cardinals brand is collapsing at a rate that should disturb Cardinals fans.    Statewide, according to the same self-reporting model used in the baseball loyalty survey,  the Razorbacks enjoy well over twice as much support,  and that is despite having other in-state and near-to-state brands.

[redeye]

There are so many individual subjective judgments in that, that it is hard to parse.

I don't think so.  The typical Cardinals team fields well, runs bases well and doesn't make mistakes.  That latter thing, alone, has been the difference in many playoff wins over the years.  The Cardinals don't beat themselves, as so many other teams do.

[ErieHog]

I don't think so.  The typical Cardinals team fields well, runs bases well and doesn't make mistakes.  That latter thing, alone, has been the difference in many playoff wins over the years.  The Cardinals don't beat themselves, as so many other teams do.

Of course you don't think so;  you approach from a position of advocacy.

It can be as easily argued that the Giants are a personification of pitching, defense, timely hitting, smart baserunning, etc-- and they've won a couple of WS in the past 5 years. 

As a note, I have no interest in the Giants-- just pointing out a parallel example, in the same league, with a similarly high level of success at 'playing the right way',  despite there not being anything approaching universal agreement as to the 'right way'. 

What really tickles me, is when I hear Cardinals fans get upset with people talking about 'The Patriot Way', in pro football, or  'The Process' in regard to Alabama football, but gobbling it up as gospel when someone says 'the Cardinals play the right way'--  it is the same presumption, in a different color of wrapper-- just one more amenable to Cardinals fans.

[redeye]

It would have to be the very distant past;  either that, or the Cardinals brand is collapsing at a rate that should disturb Cardinals fans.    Statewide, according to the same self-reporting model used in the baseball loyalty survey,  the Razorbacks enjoy well over twice as much support,  and that is despite having other in-state and near-to-state brands.

It was certainly some time ago, and I'm not even positive that I'm right, but I think I've heard that before.  However, it makes sense, if you think about it.

I'm not old enough to know, but how popular was Arkansas football before Broyles?  I don't know, but didn't Broyles lead the effort to expand interest in the team around the state?

Also, baseball was just much bigger and the Cardinals controlled the largest geographical market for decades.  I can imagine the Cardinals once being as popular in the state as the Razorbacks are today.

[redeye]

Of course you don't think so;  you approach from a position of advocacy.

It can be as easily argued that the Giants are a personification of pitching, defense, timely hitting, smart baserunning, etc-- and they've won a couple of WS in the past 5 years. 

As a note, I have no interest in the Giants-- just pointing out a parallel example, in the same league, with a similarly high level of success at 'playing the right way',  despite there not being anything approaching universal agreement as to the 'right way'. 

What really tickles me, is when I hear Cardinals fans get upset with people talking about 'The Patriot Way', in pro football, or  'The Process' in regard to Alabama football, but gobbling it up as gospel when someone says 'the Cardinals play the right way'--  it is the same presumption, in a different color of wrapper-- just one more amenable to Cardinals fans.

Well, I don't even know what 'The Patriot Way' or 'The Process" mean, but I do know that the Cardinals have had more success then the Giants, including head-to-head match-ups in playoff games over the past 20 years, if not longer.  Besides, Matheny spent enough time in San Fran to teach them a little, so I'm not surprised by their success... 

[ErieHog]

It was certainly some time ago, and I'm not even positive that I'm right, but I think I've heard that before.  However, it makes sense, if you think about it.

I'm not old enough to know, but how popular was Arkansas football before Broyles?  I don't know, but didn't Broyles lead the effort to expand interest in the team around the state?

Also, baseball was just much bigger and the Cardinals controlled the largest geographical market for decades.  I can imagine the Cardinals once being as popular in the state as the Razorbacks are today.

It was likely tied to 2 factors-- the beginnings of the Cardinals Radio Network- at one point, the 10 largest radio stations in Arkansas were all affiliates, and the Dean brothers (two Arkansas products) that built regional interest and following prior to the event of radio baseball.

[redeye]

It was likely tied to 2 factors-- the beginnings of the Cardinals Radio Network- at one point, the 10 largest radio stations in Arkansas were all affiliates, and the Dean brothers (two Arkansas products) that built regional interest and following prior to the event of radio baseball.

Yea, I'm sure those were both big factors.  Dizzy and Daffy, along with Brooks Robinson, probably helped a lot.

err... I meant Lou Brock and not Brooks Robinson.

[hogfan58]

They don't even show scores or highlights of other college football games....even SEC games. Why would they do this?

[termite]

Grew up in Texarkana ,Tx. Could pick up cardinals late night on KMOX. Also, they use to announce baseball scores during hog games if the cards were playing.

[Hogfaniam]

They don't even show scores or highlights of other college football games....even SEC games. Why would they do this?

See, that's a problem.  People are staying home more because of multiple game feeds and huge TV sets, along with ticket prices going sky high, parking, and drunks.  Why not use one of the biggest TV sets in the land to help satisfy the "remote" junkies and provide feeds to other games during pregame, stadium TV timeouts, half time, etc.  Try to make the stadium as much like home as possible.