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sickboy

Quote from: GoHogs1091 on May 31, 2017, 09:12:09 pm
An argument could be made that golf has become more important than basketball or football in the state.  The following shows how important is golf in Arkansas.

Hardscrabble Country Club   Probably the best golf course in the nation between Tulsa, Oklahoma and Augusta, Georgia.  Has hosted several key golf tournaments (Trans-Mississippi Amateur Championships and Nike Tour/Nationwide Tour/Web.com Tour).

Texarkana Country Club   The course where the legendary Byron Nelson would always practice prior to The Masters Tournament in Georgia.

Pinnacle Country Club   Hosts a LPGA event.  That event brings in a ton of money to the state.  Also, the event brings a lot of notoriety to the state because it gets televised on a worldwide channel.  It is the only high-level professional sporting event in the state (The Naturals and The Travelers are not high-level professional sport).

The Alotian   An overrated novelty that does draw attention to the state.  It hosted a Western Amateur Championship a few years ago, and the young Amateur participants carved it up   

The Blessings   Will host a NCAA Championship in the future.  Hopefully, long overdue changes will make it more playable.

Then, there are the courses at Bella Vista and Hot Springs Village.  These courses are "retirement courses" that cater to retirees.  These courses bring in money to the state because retirees move here in order to have choices of several courses at one location where the housing is located.

What? I love golf as much as the next guy, but Arkansas isn't a golf state. It's probably not even one of the top 25 golf states in the country.

LZH


 

GuvHog

Quote from: Dwight_K_Shrute on May 30, 2017, 03:39:57 pm
To get LR schools up to par private money is going to have to step up and help out.  Besides the school districts being underfunded and poorly run the socio-economic demographics do not lend themselves to parents being able to give time and money to help elevate the programs.

Yes the NWA schools are better funded but they also have a much higher level of parent involvement and a lot of private booster money supporting the programs.

It would be great from a competitive standpoint if the LR schools could produce more talent, but more importantly it's better for the kids to have that opportunity.  The number of roster spots in Bball is so low compared to FB and so many kids could use the structure, mentoring, physical activity, social support, sense of purpose, value, and camaraderie that FB would provide.

If you want to see where the football money in the Little Rock area is going just check out the football facilities at PA, CAC, and LRCA. That'll tell you why football in the LRSD is in decline.

The PCSSD schools even have much better football facilities than the LRSD does.
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DeltaBoy

The state of Football in Little Rock is past sad. The Late Gene Cox who was AD at J.A.Fair said they had to beg borrow and steal to have enough equipment. That the coaching staff picked up and took home players so they could field a team.
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Cinco de Hogo

Quote from: phadedhawg on May 30, 2017, 12:44:18 pm
Even though I know the football fanbase in this state is enormous, I've always considered Arkansas a basketball state.  For the first half of my life I grew up in a small town that did not have a high school football team and basketball was life.

Same here, basketball is all I played year round...until I hit 40 and couldn't find anyone to play with anymore.

However, I like watching football more than basketball or any other sport while overall the disappointment called Razorback athletics has taken a heavy toll on the time I allot to sports anymore.

LZH

Quote from: Cinco de Hogo on June 01, 2017, 09:36:47 amI hit 40 and couldn't find anyone to play with anymore.

I've had that problem for a while now, too.....

hawgon

Sports require the involvement of parents, particularly dads.  Oh, of course, there are exceptions and feel good stories, but the general truth remains.  The problem with Little Rock is pretty much a problem around the country in innner cities.  The family unit is so lacking as to be nonexistent.  You won't get many athletes out of that chaos.

And if you are getting more basketball players now, it is no coincidence as that basketball is the one sport where actual skills can be developed by a kid on his own.  All you need is a $30 ball, a goal, and a few friends.

draftkings33

Quote from: DeltaBoy on June 01, 2017, 09:25:42 am
The state of Football in Little Rock is past sad. The Late Gene Cox who was AD at J.A.Fair said they had to beg borrow and steal to have enough equipment. That the coaching staff picked up and took home players so they could field a team.
coaches take home players and feed them
All over the state

draftkings33

Quote from: hawgon on June 01, 2017, 09:48:04 am
Sports require the involvement of parents, particularly dads.  Oh, of course, there are exceptions and feel good stories, but the general truth remains.  The problem with Little Rock is pretty much a problem around the country in innner cities.  The family unit is so lacking as to be nonexistent.  You won't get many athletes out of that chaos.

And if you are getting more basketball players now, it is no coincidence as that basketball is the one sport where actual skills can be developed by a kid on his own.  All you need is a $30 ball, a goal, and a few friends.
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Cinco de Hogo

Quote from: LZH on June 01, 2017, 09:44:36 am
I've had that problem for a while now, too.....

Yea that was 20 years ago and now I'm too old to try.

hogsanity

People seem to be confusing the fact that in small towns with no football that basketball is the big things there with the fact that overall football, at all levels, is far more popular as a whole.

Sure, you go to Mulberry and basketball is the thing because they do not have football, but in Crawford county as a whole football is king. 
People ask me what I do in winter when there is no baseball.  I will tell you what I do. I stare out the window, and I wait for spring.

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hawgon

If you want to make football better in Arkansas and get more athletes into it, they need to do 8 man football.

hogsanity

Quote from: hawgon on June 01, 2017, 10:21:53 am
If you want to make football better in Arkansas and get more athletes into it, they need to do 8 man football.

I agree they need 8 man football, but I dont think it would make football in AR HS, as a whole, better. What it would do would be let some of these schools that try to have football actually make it through a season. Every year some teams try to play fielding only 12 or 13 kids and they end up forfeiting a bunch of games, which is unfair to their opponents. I worked a scrimmage last year and one team only had 12 players. We knew then they would not make it through the season. They played something like 2 games, then forfeited the remainder.
People ask me what I do in winter when there is no baseball.  I will tell you what I do. I stare out the window, and I wait for spring.

"Anything goes wrong, anything at all, your fault, my fault, nobodies fault, I'm going to blow your head off."  John Wayne in BIG JAKE

 

hawgon

Quote from: hogsanity on June 01, 2017, 10:26:45 am
I agree they need 8 man football, but I dont think it would make football in AR HS, as a whole, better. What it would do would be let some of these schools that try to have football actually make it through a season. Every year some teams try to play fielding only 12 or 13 kids and they end up forfeiting a bunch of games, which is unfair to their opponents. I worked a scrimmage last year and one team only had 12 players. We knew then they would not make it through the season. They played something like 2 games, then forfeited the remainder.

Arkansas High school football is pretty much a joke compared to lots of states.  The population is too little and spread too thinly.

FineAsSwine

Quote from: hawgon on June 01, 2017, 09:48:04 am
Sports require the involvement of parents, particularly dads.  Oh, of course, there are exceptions and feel good stories, but the general truth remains.  The problem with Little Rock is pretty much a problem around the country in innner cities.  The family unit is so lacking as to be nonexistent.  You won't get many athletes out of that chaos.

And if you are getting more basketball players now, it is no coincidence as that basketball is the one sport where actual skills can be developed by a kid on his own.  All you need is a $30 ball, a goal, and a few friends.

This is stupid. Most of the other SEC schools have no problem recruiting inner city kids and they get enough to outrank the Hogs in recruiting every year.

Need to find a new scapegoat for recruiting because inner city kids aren't the reason for the Hogs recruiting issues.
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Inhogswetrust

I'm thinking fish noodling is now the most popular sport.........................
If I'm going to cheer players and coaches in victory, I damn sure ought to be man enough to stand with them in defeat.

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GuvHog

Quote from: hogsanity on June 01, 2017, 10:26:45 am
I agree they need 8 man football, but I dont think it would make football in AR HS, as a whole, better. What it would do would be let some of these schools that try to have football actually make it through a season. Every year some teams try to play fielding only 12 or 13 kids and they end up forfeiting a bunch of games, which is unfair to their opponents. I worked a scrimmage last year and one team only had 12 players. We knew then they would not make it through the season. They played something like 2 games, then forfeited the remainder.

I agree that 8 man football might be a good thing to look at for the 1A and 2A classifications but not for 3A thru 7A.
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hogsanity

Quote from: GuvHog on June 01, 2017, 12:03:53 pm
I agree that 8 man football might be a good thing to look at for the 1A and 2A classifications but not for 3A thru 7A.

1a is the non football schools. now some of them might want to take up football if it was 8 man, which would move them to 2a, but that's fine. The 3a-7a schools are big enough that they have sufficient #'s for 11 man football already.
People ask me what I do in winter when there is no baseball.  I will tell you what I do. I stare out the window, and I wait for spring.

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niels_boar

I'll be surprised if football's participation rate and fan-interest rate hasn't peaked nationally.  Concussion worries are going to steer parents towards non-collision sports.  Heck, parents don't even seem to let kids play outdoors by themselves any more.  Millennials don't seen to be as interested in sports as previous generations either.  They may be the first generation since the invention of television that watches less sports than the previous one.  At least that's the anecdotal impression I get. My guess is that football interest will drop off the most precipitously.
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Inhogswetrust

Quote from: niels_boar on June 01, 2017, 12:31:53 pm
I'll be surprised if football's participation rate and fan-interest rate hasn't peaked nationally.  Concussion worries are going to steer parents towards non-collision sports.  Heck, parents don't even seem to let kids play outdoors by themselves any more.  Millennials don't seen to be as interested in sports as previous generations either.  They may be the first generation since the invention of television that watches less sports than the previous one.  At least that's the anecdotal impression I get. My guess is that football interest will drop off the most precipitously.

Some parents have been steering their kids away from sports with more collisions forever. 
If I'm going to cheer players and coaches in victory, I damn sure ought to be man enough to stand with them in defeat.

"Why some people are so drawn to the irrational is something that has always puzzled me" - James Randi

niels_boar

Quote from: Inhogswetrust on June 01, 2017, 12:34:37 pm
Some parents have been steering their kids away from sports with more collisions forever.

Yeah, but when more parents than some start steering their kids away it makes an impact.  Football health consequences have never gotten as much negative publicity as they have in the last five years.  I'll be surprised if that has zero impact in the next 10 years or so as toddlers move on to high school in a parenting culture that has steadily gotten more risk averse.
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hogsanity

Quote from: GoHogs1091 on May 31, 2017, 09:12:09 pm

Hardscrabble Country Club   Probably the best golf course in the nation between Tulsa, Oklahoma and Augusta, Georgia.  Has hosted several key golf tournaments (Trans-Mississippi Amateur Championships and Nike Tour/Nationwide Tour/Web.com Tour).



I walked on the golf team at Westark ( UAFS now ) just so I could play Hardscrabble for free as it was our home course. Got to play it once or twice a week for 2 years.
Quote from: niels_boar on June 01, 2017, 12:31:53 pm
Millennials don't seen to be as interested in sports as previous generations either.  They may be the first generation since the invention of television that watches less sports than the previous one. 


My son is 18 and neither he or any of his friends watch tv at all, and they do not watch sports via streaming or any other service.
People ask me what I do in winter when there is no baseball.  I will tell you what I do. I stare out the window, and I wait for spring.

"Anything goes wrong, anything at all, your fault, my fault, nobodies fault, I'm going to blow your head off."  John Wayne in BIG JAKE

Inhogswetrust

Quote from: niels_boar on June 01, 2017, 12:39:12 pm
Yeah, but when more parents than some start steering their kids away it makes an impact.  Football health consequences have never gotten as much negative publicity as they have in the last five years.  I'll be surprised if that has zero impact in the next 10 years or so as toddlers move on to high school in a parenting culture that has steadily gotten more risk averse.

There always has been more steering them away than encouraging it.
If I'm going to cheer players and coaches in victory, I damn sure ought to be man enough to stand with them in defeat.

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niels_boar

Quote from: Inhogswetrust on June 01, 2017, 12:51:57 pm
There always has been more steering them away than encouraging it.

What matters is the trend line.  If, for the sake of argument,  60% of parents in the 70's steered their children away from football but now 70% of parents steer their children away from football, it will be of little comfort to the NFL bean counters that a majority of parents have always steered their children away from football.

I just looked at some data.  Youth participation rate per capita in football seems to have been slowly decreasing since early in the naughts even before the concussion scare hit, though it has not accelerated recently.  However, the numbers seem to be buoyed a little by increasing popularity of flag football.  Heck, I didn't even know that organized flag football existed.  It didn't back in the stone ages when I was a kid.  I played youth football and would have laughed at my Dad if he had given me a choice.
The jawbone of an ass is just as dangerous a weapon today as in Sampson's time.

 

bphi11ips

Quote from: Inhogswetrust on June 01, 2017, 12:51:57 pm
There always has been more steering them away than encouraging it.

C.W. Keopple steered as many kids away from football as he could every August. 
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Seebs

Costs less - check
No movies on concussions for the sport - check
Can play anytime, anywhere with anyone - check
Played year round in climate controlled environment - check

Should be overtaking football in all states.
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hogsanity

Quote from: niels_boar on June 01, 2017, 01:10:34 pm
What matters is the trend line.  If, for the sake of argument,  60% of parents in the 70's steered their children away from football but now 70% of parents steer their children away from football, it will be of little comfort to the NFL bean counters that a majority of parents have always steered their children away from football.

I just looked at some data.  Youth participation rate per capita in football seems to have been slowly decreasing since early in the naughts even before the concussion scare hit, though it has not accelerated recently.  However, the numbers seem to be buoyed a little by increasing popularity of flag football.  Heck, I didn't even know that organized flag football existed.  It didn't back in the stone ages when I was a kid.  I played youth football and would have laughed at my Dad if he had given me a choice.


I know how this is going to sound, but in the areas that produce the majority of NFL players, participation is not going down.  Participation is going down in the suburbs as parents steer their kids to baseball, or golf or tennis or whatever. My son plays baseball and he was recently in a tournament at a complex outside of Tulsa. This complex has at least 8 baseball fields. Many soccer fields, and they also have a lacrosse league and a rugby league. They have huge spring, summer and fall leagues, but not one tackle football team or field.
People ask me what I do in winter when there is no baseball.  I will tell you what I do. I stare out the window, and I wait for spring.

"Anything goes wrong, anything at all, your fault, my fault, nobodies fault, I'm going to blow your head off."  John Wayne in BIG JAKE

LZH

I was actually surprised, for some reason, to find out after I got grown and well into my twenties that not every red-blooded Southerner was a huge football fanatic. Most of you are like me - we loved the game as kids and played the game as kids, and that has stuck with us our entire lives.

Inhogswetrust

Quote from: bphi11ips on June 01, 2017, 01:34:53 pm
C.W. Keopple steered as many kids away from football as he could every August. 

His daughter was married to my best friend at one time.
If I'm going to cheer players and coaches in victory, I damn sure ought to be man enough to stand with them in defeat.

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bphi11ips

Quote from: LZH on June 01, 2017, 02:08:26 pm
I was actually surprised, for some reason, to find out after I got grown and well into my twenties that not every red-blooded Southerner was a huge football fanatic. Most of you are like me - we loved the game as kids and played the game as kids, and that has stuck with us our entire lives.

Yep.  hogsanitys are taking over the world, though.  Hide your kids from the concussion peddlers. 
Life is too short for grudges and feuds.

Cinco de Hogo

Quote from: FineAsSwine on June 01, 2017, 11:16:35 am
This is stupid. Most of the other SEC schools have no problem recruiting inner city kids and they get enough to outrank the Hogs in recruiting every year.

Need to find a new scapegoat for recruiting because inner city kids aren't the reason for the Hogs recruiting issues.

I think you missed the point.  All inner cities have the same problems but what I got out of it was the the "adults" in Little Rock have made a big mess of things for years now and that hurts all the HS programs in that city.   The results are little to no significant recruiting in Arkansas biggest city...two if you count Fort Smith.

hogsanity

Quote from: bphi11ips on June 01, 2017, 08:55:10 pm
Yep.  hogsanitys are taking over the world, though.  Hide your kids from the concussion peddlers. 

Umm, one of my kids played football, and the other can if he wants to.
People ask me what I do in winter when there is no baseball.  I will tell you what I do. I stare out the window, and I wait for spring.

"Anything goes wrong, anything at all, your fault, my fault, nobodies fault, I'm going to blow your head off."  John Wayne in BIG JAKE

PearlHarbor

What is going on with little rock football? It's been pitiful for some time now.

Letsroll1200

Basketball is King in central Arkansas. People leave work early to get seats to attend basketball games in central Arkansas. It's big time with big time players. I can't name one can't miss recruit in football in central Arkansas that people would like to go see. I can name about 6-7 kids in central Arkansas that are worth going to see in the next couple of years for basketball. 

hogwild6700

We will always be a Football State in terms of where the fanbase's passion lies. I think what the OP means to say is that HS BBALL Talent is ahead of the curve whereas Football always has been behind the curve.
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hogsanity

Quote from: hogwild6700 on June 05, 2017, 12:17:27 pm
We will always be a Football State in terms of where the fanbase's passion lies. I think what the OP means to say is that HS BBALL Talent is ahead of the curve whereas Football always has been behind the curve.

That's really not true either. State produces about the same level of high d1 players in both sports.
People ask me what I do in winter when there is no baseball.  I will tell you what I do. I stare out the window, and I wait for spring.

"Anything goes wrong, anything at all, your fault, my fault, nobodies fault, I'm going to blow your head off."  John Wayne in BIG JAKE

shown006

There are three players from Pulaski Robinson, which is in LR, on scholarship right now...and possibly a 4thnext year, Nathan Page.
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The_Iceman

Quote from: GuvHog on June 01, 2017, 12:03:53 pm
I agree that 8 man football might be a good thing to look at for the 1A and 2A classifications but not for 3A thru 7A.

Union Christian in Ft. Smith was mediocre in football in 2A. They left the Arkansas Activities Association (a joke of an organization) and joined an Oklahoma association that plays 8-man, and have been pretty successful.

hogsanity

Quote from: The_Iceman on June 07, 2017, 08:21:34 am
Union Christian in Ft. Smith was mediocre in football in 2A. They left the Arkansas Activities Association (a joke of an organization) and joined an Oklahoma association that plays 8-man, and have been pretty successful.

Last year was their 1st season of 8 man football, and the league they play in now is made up entirely of small religious based schools, iirc. Union's problem is extremely low #'s and the insistence they have on playing football at all.

Another problem in Ar HS football is how stupid the playoffs are. Every year teams with only 1 or 2 wins, sometimes with ZERo wins, make the playoffs, way too many teams make it.
People ask me what I do in winter when there is no baseball.  I will tell you what I do. I stare out the window, and I wait for spring.

"Anything goes wrong, anything at all, your fault, my fault, nobodies fault, I'm going to blow your head off."  John Wayne in BIG JAKE

oldhog63

Quote from: Bob Slydell on May 31, 2017, 07:07:24 am
Can't speak for the rest of the state, but growing up in NEA it always seemed that basketball was the priority.  Even for the bigger schools.

Not sure where in NEA you grew up, but so did I and where I am from in NEA, football is King and it is not even close.

Barack Hogama

Quote from: hogwild6700 on June 05, 2017, 12:17:27 pm
We will always be a Football State in terms of where the fanbase's passion lies. I think what the OP means to say is that HS BBALL Talent is ahead of the curve whereas Football always has been behind the curve.

I could somewhat agree with this.  Arkansas has the talent with athletes all over the state, for some reason they are just not developed as well or not playing football.  Little Rock should be a breeding ground for Arkansas football.  Maybe Little Rock Catholic needs to do more recruiting and create a giant in Arkansas similar to what De La Salle has in Concord, CA.   

Grizzlyfan

Quote from: hogsanity on June 05, 2017, 01:06:52 pm
That's really not true either. State produces about the same level of high d1 players in both sports.
You can put your starting line up on the court in basketball with that # of "high d1 players".  It's a drop in the bucket for your football roster.

GuvHog

Quote from: Barack Hogama on June 07, 2017, 11:34:28 am
I could somewhat agree with this.  Arkansas has the talent with athletes all over the state, for some reason they are just not developed as well or not playing football.  Little Rock should be a breeding ground for Arkansas football.  Maybe Little Rock Catholic needs to do more recruiting and create a giant in Arkansas similar to what De La Salle has in Concord, CA.   

The thing that hurt LR in regards to HS football is when the state raised it's minimum grade average requirement to participate in HS sports. Some that would be good players just aren't making the grades to be eligible and aren't being pushed to do so.
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hogsanity

Quote from: GuvHog on June 07, 2017, 12:16:04 pm
The thing that hurt LR in regards to HS football is when the state raised it's minimum grade average requirement to participate in HS sports. Some that would be good players just aren't making the grades to be eligible and aren't being pushed to do so.

yea, its horrible to have to pass classes to play sports.
Quote from: Barack Hogama on June 07, 2017, 11:34:28 am
I could somewhat agree with this.  Arkansas has the talent with athletes all over the state, for some reason they are just not developed as well or not playing football. 


that's the problem, they are spread out all over the state, playing at tiny schools. 
People ask me what I do in winter when there is no baseball.  I will tell you what I do. I stare out the window, and I wait for spring.

"Anything goes wrong, anything at all, your fault, my fault, nobodies fault, I'm going to blow your head off."  John Wayne in BIG JAKE

Boss Hog in the Arkansas

Quote from: The_Iceman on June 07, 2017, 08:21:34 am
Union Christian in Ft. Smith was mediocre in football in 2A. They left the Arkansas Activities Association (a joke of an organization) and joined an Oklahoma association that plays 8-man, and have been pretty successful.
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hogsanity

People ask me what I do in winter when there is no baseball.  I will tell you what I do. I stare out the window, and I wait for spring.

"Anything goes wrong, anything at all, your fault, my fault, nobodies fault, I'm going to blow your head off."  John Wayne in BIG JAKE

GuvHog

Quote from: hogsanity on June 07, 2017, 12:20:35 pm
yea, its horrible to have to pass classes to play sports. 


I agree with the point your making but it is happening.

One of the greatest players in Pine Bluff high school football history was Basil Shabazz. He was magic on the field but when it came time for graduation, he didn't have the grades to go to college. Had they raised the minimum grade point average before he played at PB, he would have been academically ineligible to play HS football.
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hogsanity

Quote from: GuvHog on June 07, 2017, 12:29:54 pm
I agree with the point your making but it is happening.

One of the greatest players in Pine Bluff high school football history was Basil Shabazz. He was magic on the field but when it came time for graduation, he didn't have the grades to go to college. Had they raised the minimum grade point average before he played at PB, he would have been academically ineligible to play HS football.

So? What good did playing do him? Good grief it is not like they are asking kids to make straight a's to be eligible.
People ask me what I do in winter when there is no baseball.  I will tell you what I do. I stare out the window, and I wait for spring.

"Anything goes wrong, anything at all, your fault, my fault, nobodies fault, I'm going to blow your head off."  John Wayne in BIG JAKE

GuvHog

Quote from: hogsanity on June 07, 2017, 12:32:01 pm
So? What good did playing do him? Good grief it is not like they are asking kids to make straight a's to be eligible.

I agree but some of them aren't being pushed to even get a "C" average.
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Jimmy

Regardless, I'll continue to buy season football tickets, donate to the foundation, buy parking, plan weekends and tailgating around football and continue to accept free tickets to basketball games, that is, if I want to go to the trouble of going to a basketball game.