How good is Hunter Henry?

[PonderinHog]

He's a badass.

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[razorbacksnum1]

HH is a freakin rockstar in this state. Go watch 4 & 25 play at Ole Miss and it will tell you all you need to know about him. He did it game after game. He will be missed.

[LZH]

Ya know, it's actually possible that HH signs with a team that'll ask him to improve his blocking skills, and make available to him all manner of resources, so that he may become one of the most complete TE's in football. Some of you act like once a guy declares for the draft, he's finished improving as a player.

[SooiecidetillNuttgone]

Ya know, it's actually possible that HH signs with a team that'll ask him to improve his blocking skills, and make available to him all manner of resources, so that he may become one of the most complete TE's in football. Some of you act like once a guy declares for the draft, he's finished improving as a player.

NEVEEERRRRRRR!!

[hawgmasta]

I'm not sure that is something you should be bragging about.

Hey now I didn't add those inch marks after my numbers. Subliminal

[HogMantheIntruder]

Ya know, it's actually possible that HH signs with a team that'll ask him to improve his blocking skills, and make available to him all manner of resources, so that he may become one of the most complete TE's in football. Some of you act like once a guy declares for the draft, he's finished improving as a player.

THIS! HH came out of high school with tremendous talent and athletic ability, and yet he showed marked improvement every single season. Why anyone would think that he has peaked at 21 years of age is beyond me.

[alohawg]

It's also possible he'll never be able to hold an NFL point of attack, athletically average LB's will be able to run with him and he'll be unable to overpower competent Strong Safety coverage.  This, of course, makes him Matt Spaeth especially if some NFL guy believes he'll keep what athleticism he has and not be horrid at blocking if he'll just "put on twenty lbs."

Because he won't.

Wow, you really have issues with HH it seems. Is it personal?

[SooiecidetillNuttgone]

1.  Not in the slightest.
2.  I'm all for his NFL success.

I just believe he's closer to Matt Spaeth than Jason Witten with a solid track record of accurately predicting my alma mater's NFL draftee success, over time.

That part I can agree with at least.
Seems like every NFL player we've placed has either faded away, changed positions to a non-glam slot, or was simply snake bit in one way or another.

With your pessimistic view, you probably do have a decent track record.

[alohawg]

We've had some disappointments for sure, especially in recent years, but we've also had some unexpected surprises like George Wilson. That said, these new guys have no obligation to suck because others haven't lived up to expectations. I think HH will be great, potentially all-pro depending on where he lands. Both Alex Collins and Johnathan Williams will be at an worst average NFL backs and again depending on where they go, could be better. Then there's Kirkland and Tretola both of which will have something of a career....even Brandon Allen can make a roster, imo.
It's a new day, smile, these hogs will make us proud again.

[razorbacksnum1]

1.  Not in the slightest.
2.  I'm all for his NFL success.

I just believe he's closer to Matt Spaeth than Jason Witten with a solid track record of accurately predicting my alma mater's NFL draftee success, over time.

How is Henry like Spaeth? What's the basis of your comparison?

[DeltaBoy]

With the right team he could be a All Pro Rookie player.

[ChitownHawg]

So, you didn't read?

NFL site disagrees with you. He was one of the top TE out of high school and he adjusted his game to be THE top TE in college. So far nothing in his history indicates he will not adjust his game and be a starter in the NFL.

And the official website of the NFL compares him to Witten. Speed isn't the best indicator for a receiver. Crisp route running is. I look forward to your counter points to the NFL's professional views on HH.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/hunter-henry?id=2555341

[yraciv]

Where did MFST go? I thought we were friendly enough.

[MuskogeeHogFan]

Do you mean his overall "6.27" NFL website grade wherein it is postulated he has a chance to be a competent NFL starter?

Doesn't sound Witten-esque in the slightest.  In fact, it sounds Spaeth-like.

If we desire to know the "NFL's professional views" on Henry, I submit we should wait two years and see: just like our last two QB's and Knile Davis.

It's nice to debate a topic isn't it? Truth is, though we hope for the best for Hunter Henry, none of us know "beans" about how he will actually turn out. He certainly has the potential to be a very good NFL TE/H-Back. Smart, great hands, knack for getting open and a real character type of young man that most teams would love to have, especially if he can produce.

Here's a story about a guy who while similar, didn't possess the physical attributes of Hunter Henry. Yet, he succeeded in a pretty big way and few gave him a chance to do so. Even so, he broke NFL records, but might never have done so had fortune not smiled on him at the right time. It isn't just about talent, or prototypical talent at a particular position, it is also about getting the right breaks at the right time, with the right team.

http://www.thegamebeforethemoney.com/stevelargent/

[ChitownHawg]

Do you mean his overall "6.27" NFL website grade wherein it is postulated he has a chance to be a competent NFL starter?

Doesn't sound Witten-esque in the slightest.  In fact, it sounds Spaeth-like.

If we desire to know the "NFL's professional views" on Henry, I submit we should wait two years and see: just like our last two QB's and Knile Davis.

Well it is the NFL that gave him the 6.27 and compared him to Witten. Forgive me if I trust their evaluation more than yours.

I'm not sure why you object to the site for saying he had the talent to be a starter. So are you rooting for this young man to fail?

[RME]

Their numeric evaluation distills to "has a chance to be a competent NFL starter."  So, sure, trust away.  "A chance" promises nothing.

I'm not.  Every Hog homer predicting All-Pro status, is.

1.  When did you stop beating your wife?
2.  He is very likely to fail if Witten is the standard.

A more appropriate standard is Matt Spaeth.

Hold up, who would you compare Henry to?

And though it's pretty irrelevant, you never addressed how playing for 2 teams in your career (Spaeth) makes you a journeyman.

Spaeth has about 2 inches and 15 pounds on Henry. Gronk is closer to Spaeth's size than Henry is, and the comparison between Gronk and Spaeth, talent-wise, isn't even close. Also, .14 in the 40-yard dash is pretty significant.

I have no idea how Henry will perform in the NFL. The track record for recent Razorbacks isn't all that great. But your adamant comparisons to Spaeth just don't make a whole lot of sense to me. Why not compare him to Eifert? Ertz? Cameron?

[hogninja]

Emails have sources, I say look at the sources and you get your answer.  :razorback:

[RME]

Sigh...

Google isn't hard: "a worker or sports player who is reliable but not outstanding."  Nobody would tie the word to number of employers -- even in an electrical or plumbing setting -- if they were aware of what the word meant, which is to imply a post apprentice-level trained professional.

Hell, it's not even an insult but you sure want it to be...

1.  Right now.  It wasn't always so and it ruined his athleticism.
2.  What does Gronkowski/Spaeth have to do with Henry?
3.  Please tell me you're not implying any similarities between Henry and Gronkowski?

Welcome to Spaethville.

"Sigh" --- Your answer to my rhetorical question. You couldn't be on Spaeth's jock more if you tried.

Journeyman --- "a journeyman or journeywoman is an athlete who is technically competent but unable to excel. The term is used elsewhere (such as in British and Australian contexts) to refer to a professional sportsman who plays for a large number of different clubs during his career." Sorry I have a British mind. I guess that's the soccer fan in me. But maybe not? "A journeyman quarterback is a term used for an American Football (typically NFL) quarterback who plays for several teams over a career. Such a player is typically signed to year-by-year contracts, and may be signed by a team to fill in for an injured starter. The term is normally pejorative." Replace quarterback with any position.

Gronkowski/Spaeth has nothing to do with Henry, and that's my point. No, I didn't imply similarities to Gronkowski and Henry. I was saying physically, Gronk and Spaeth are more comparable to one another than Henry is to Spaeth. Spaeth is listed as 6'7'' 265. Henry is 6'5'' roughly 250.

There are plenty of better comparisons in both size and intangibles for Henry, such as those guys I listed. Cameron, Ertz, and Eifert are all roughly Henry's size, and ran similar 40 times. All 3 are very good receiving tight ends who are sufficient blockers when they need to be. Sound familiar?

To explicitly say it, there are much better comparisons for Henry over Spaeth. Physically, intangibly, and style of play. Even Owen Daniels is a better comparison than Spaeth.

[ChitownHawg]

Their numeric evaluation distills to "has a chance to be a competent NFL starter."  So, sure, trust away.  "A chance" promises nothing.

I'm not.  Every Hog homer predicting All-Pro status, is.

1.  When did you stop beating your wife?
2.  He is very likely to fail if Witten is the standard.

A more appropriate standard is Matt Spaeth.

You must have me mixed up with someone else as I have not said All Pro. I am simply saying he will be good and will be better than Spaeth.

I stopped beating my wife when I started nailing yours.   

[ChitownHawg]

1.  Not before Spaeth put on ~20 lbs to improve his blocking.
2.  Let's check the stats in two years.

I bet we hear "Henry could use more weight" the night he's drafted.

It's the first exit to Spaeth-town.

I hope not as I would be afraid 20 pounds would kill his speed.

[ChitownHawg]

+1.

I hesitated to post that as I wasn't sure if you would take it as a joke. +1 to you for having a sense of humor.

[Iwastherein1969]

As much as I like HH, it's time for this thread, after 12 days of less than two pages to be put to bed. Bottom line, if HH is good enough to make an NFL roster, he will, if he's not, well he won't. Time to move on and wring our hands about someone else. Please, for heavens sake let this thread die.

[Pig in the Pokey]

This laughable to compare HH to Spaeth. For one, I'd love to be on your clock if you think a 4.65 is just a "tick" better than 4.8 in the game of football makes a world of difference. That's why faster players usually get drafted higher. Henry has had a much more dominant college than Spaeth and much better hands. Two drops in two years. HH may not be Witten but he's not Spaeth either.

it's actually 17 "ticks" slower

[a0ashle]

1.  Not in the slightest.
2.  I'm all for his NFL success.

I just believe he's closer to Matt Spaeth than Jason Witten with a solid track record of accurately predicting my alma mater's NFL draftee success, over time.

You could predict mediocrity or worse for every player in the draft... and you would have a solid track record. Consider me unimpressed.

[FATHAWG08]

Great players are always adjusting, trying to get better. That's what makes them great. If HH does not improve on his weaknesses he will not play up his potential. At this point in his career he has gotten better every year. He has definitely become a better blocker. I like his chances of improving  and becoming the great TE that  some project him to be. 

[sowmonella]

How good is Hunter Henry? Good enough to be a 1st team All American and make millions playing in the NFL. :razorback:

[a0ashle]

So, you admit it's a solid track record?

GOT IT.

You left out unimpressive. Predicting failure or mediocrity in the NFL...not a skill.

[PorkSoda]

You left out unimpressive. Predicting failure or mediocrity in the NFL...not a skill.

I predict it will rain somewhere tomorrow.

[razorbacksnum1]

Just like Matt Spaeth?

Did Spaeth play in the SEC? Did Spaeth have multiple 100 yard games in his college career? Did Spaeth run a 4.65 at his combine or pro day? Did Spaeth catch 51 passes in a single season? Did Spaeth have 96 of his 116 receptions go for a first down? Did Spaeth get targeted 51 times in a season and not drop one single pass?   Waiting for your reply...

[PorkSoda]

Reply?

Try "decade long NFL career."

Henry will be fortunate to be Spaeth.

and a superbowl ring.

yes if henry does that it would be awesome.