Was Pel a Jeff Long hiring?

[Hogtropolis™]

Or was it a Frank Broyles hire?

If it was Broyles, do you think that puts more pressure on Pel?

Do you think he can survive a 2-14 or 3-13 conference record?  Stan never had worse than a 4-12 conference season and I feel like his circumstances were worse than what Pel has right now.

I really don't think he will be able to survive two seasons with 5 or less conference wins, which means this recruiting class is make or break for him.  Right now it is decent which means the late signing period is crucial for him.

I hate to get down on Pel, but I am having my doubts right now.

[HawgAdvocate]

He'll survive because he just replaced 90% of the team.

It's not as if we were a top 10 program with 5* kids from all over just itching to replace Gary Ervin, Charles Thomas, Vince Hunter, Steven Hill, & Darian Townes.

[COACHINTEXAS]

You guys that are using the excuse of being young are just looking for something to blame. If I remember right and I know I do, Corliss, Scotty and that group was young, but didn't play like it. Mayberry, Day and Big O won the SWC their freshman year and the SEC as sophmores. I'm sorry, but 2 years just doesn't mean that much when most of these guys have been playing ball since they could bounce one.

[HogBreath]

He'll survive because he just replaced 90% of the team.

It's not as if we were a top 10 program with 5* kids from all over just itching to replace Gary Ervin, Charles Thomas, Vince Hunter, Steven Hill, & Darian Townes.

I'm not captain of the Pelphrey fan club, but he did inherit a short squad for sure, and then we lost Beverley for this year, McDonald flaked out too.  We may just have to be patient for a few years and see if he can get it rebuilt.  Truth is, we've been a bad basketball team for a while now.

[Smithian]

Jeff Long did not hire Pelphrey.

Yeah, I agree, it is horrible to fire after two years, but if we go 1-15 or 2-14 and it happens, I guarantee if we give Jeff Long a blank check he'll find a good coach, call him, and refuse to take "no" as an answer.

[HawgAdvocate]

You guys that are using the excuse of being young are just looking for something to blame. If I remember right and I know I do, Corliss, Scotty and that group was young, but didn't play like it. Mayberry, Day and Big O won the SWC their freshman year and the SEC as sophmores. I'm sorry, but 2 years just doesn't mean that much when most of these guys have been playing ball since they could bounce one.

Wrong, Day and crew were seniors when they won the SEC.

Corliss was a Mickey D's AA from instate that had just replaced Final Four talent. When you fall off the map from 1998 till 2007, you don't suddenly become good with a snap of the fingers.

[3kgthog]

Jeff Long is smart enough to know that ditching Pelphrey after 2 seasons would be a PR nightmare worse than what BP went through. He also knows the UA is light on cash right now hence us having to borrow money. A new coach ain't happening no matter the record.

[Hogtropolis™]

I'm not captain of the Pelphrey fan club, but he did inherit a short squad for sure, and then we lost Beverley for this year, McDonald flaked out too.  We may just have to be patient for a few years and see if he can get it rebuilt.  Truth is, we've been a bad basketball team for a while now.

Let me preface this by saying that I am not abandoning supporting Pel, I am just simply posing questions.

But as someone else pointed out, when does that become the coaches fault? We recruited a stud at SF (Payne) who couldn't qualify or something, McDonald replaced him but couldn't make it past 10 games without getting kicked off team, and Beverley did something to get kicked off the team on Pels watch.

Again, when do things like that start falling back on the coach?

[HawgAdvocate]

Let me preface this by saying that I am not abandoning supporting Pel, I am just simply posing questions.

But as someone else pointed out, when does that become the coaches fault? We recruited a stud at SF (Payne) who couldn't qualify or something, McDonald replaced him but couldn't make it past 10 games without getting kicked off team, and Beverley did something to get kicked off the team on Pels watch.

Again, when do things like that start falling back on the coach?

PB's thing was in motion before Heath signd him.
Payne was a risk, but the #2 JUCO can be a risk worth taking when you have a class as big as ours was.
Pel wouldn't have signed McDonald if he envisioned having to kick him off. He obviously wasn't a first option.

I do blame Pel for McDonald, but he needed to try and balance the class as best he could. He needed a JUCO singman, and McDonald was a decent player with an attitude problem. 90% of all teams have kids with attitude problems. You think Rick Pitino didn't know Character had an attitude problem? It happens.

[Conway4Hogs]

I may be wrong on this but I believe Coach Pel was hired by no other than John "Golden Handcuffs" White

[elkhog]

Jeff Long did not hire Pelphrey.

Yeah, I agree, it is horrible to fire after two years, but if we go 1-15 or 2-14 and it happens, I guarantee if we give Jeff Long a blank check he'll find a good coach, call him, and refuse to take "no" as an answer.

Please no Big 10!

[moses_007]

I may be wrong on this but I believe Coach Pel was hired by no other than John "Golden Handcuffs" White

I think you are right.  Didn't John White hire him while Broyles was in Georgia golfing?

[ArkieBrat]

I don't know if anyone remembers this or not but after the Dana Altman fiasco UA could not find anyone who would accept the job.  I think Pel was like 7t or 8th on the list when he was finally offered the coaching job.  Heath had been fired, Altman had backed out after the acceptance press conference, FB had failed to even have Altman sign a contract, and we were without a coach for what seemed like forever.  And to make it even worse, every name on the list turned us down.....until Pel agreed.  Maybe there is a reason that he was 7th or 8th on the list.

[HawgAdvocate]

I don't know if anyone remembers this or not but after the Dana Altman fiasco UA could not find anyone who would accept the job.  I think Pel was like 7t or 8th on the list when he was finally offered the coaching job.  Heath had been fired, Altman had backed out after the acceptance press conference, FB had failed to even have Altman sign a contract, and we were without a coach for what seemed like forever.  And to make it even worse, every name on the list turned us down.....until Pel agreed.  Maybe there is a reason that he was 7th or 8th on the list.

The bad thing was that Altman was choice #6 or 7 already. We had Rick Majerus eating his way through the door to coach us, and had rumors of either Anthony Grant, Oliver Purnell, Mike Dunlop, or Pel being the next choices.

[ArkieBrat]

HawgAdvocate, you are correct.  Goodness, all that drama seems like a lifetime ago.  I remember FB and JW being at the presser with the Altmans calling the hogs and looking very uncomfortable.  I knew then something was not right.  FB was in such a hurry to get to the golf tourney in Georgia that a binding contract was not even signed.  JW called FB in GA and had him to fly his butt right back to UA.  I still remember FB's plane flying in around midnight or so with FB trying to avoid the media.  In spite of it all, I still have to chuckle.