Indians dream of battling 'big brother'

[ThunderHawg]

http://www.jonesborosun.com/story.php?ID=28937

Sorry if already posted, It is an interesting article with some quotes from ASU players about playing against the Hogs.

[Albert Einswine]

Those poor kids just don't understand.  It's not a rivalry just because one side wants it to be.

At some point before the end of time,  the game will be played, but it will never be a rivalry.

[311Hog]

Those poor kids just don't understand.  It's not a rivalry just because one side wants it to be.

At some point before the end of time,  the game will be played, but it will never be a rivalry.

the game would prolly be ugly to.

[PolishPigPower]

Sorry, but I can't help but remember that this is the same school that refuses to play UCA any longer after the Bears scared the life out of them the last time they met on the field.  Not saying I wouldn't relish a UofA vs ASU matchup, but ASU could show their "benevolence" toward their "little brother", too.

[Conway Cool Daddy]

Is it a dream....................or a nightmare?

I hope we play some day soon, we need to put this to bed.

[Thunderhog Jr]

 :razorback:

Sometimes I wish we'd play just to shut them up!

:razorback:

[RBLtoHOG]

Good God... lets go ahead and play em and smoke em and shut em up

[tennhogfan]

If nutt stays around for a while, this WILL become a rivalry. They could just get the in state leftovers that Pete Carroll doesn't want and make it a game.

[311Hog]

If nutt stays around for a while, this WILL become a rivalry. They could just get the in state leftovers that Pete Carroll doesn't want and make it a game.

if nutt loses to one of the other Sun Belt teams that we play besides A state it might.

[WP razorback]

If Arkansas and ASU ever meet on the football field, you might want to watch your frontside if you have on a Hog T-shirt.  See link below for further explanation......

http://www.arkst.com/board/index.php?topic=31399.0

[hogsanity]

Those poor kids just don't understand.  It's not a rivalry just because one side wants it to be.

Hog fans should remember that as well.

[prairiehogcompanion]

We may not want to see Arkansas play Arkansas State, but......we don't have a leg to stand on as long as we're scheduling chipmunks like Troy, Florida International, Louisiana_Monroe, Southeast Missouri State, Missouri State and freakin' Chattanooga, for cryin' out loud.

[hogsanity]

We may not want to see Arkansas play Arkansas State, but......we don't have a leg to stand on as long as we're scheduling chipmunks like Troy, Florida International, Louisiana_Monroe, Southeast Missouri State, Missouri State and freakin' Chattanooga, for cryin' out loud.

Again, why should the Hogs play them. 

However, if ASU would agree to play in Fayetteville, in October, I have no real problems with is.

[junkyardhog]

i understand the we have nothing to gain argument ,but the player was right everone else does it.

Why do you believe we us the nothing to gain execuse and these guys don't?

tulsa / ok
texas/rice
lsu/tulane
miami/fla. int.
co/co st.
uk/eastern k
IL/W. IL
michigan/eastern michigan
UF/Fla Atlantic

[hogsanity]

i understand the we have nothing to gain argument ,but the player was right everone else does it.

Why do you believe we us the nothing to gain execuse and these guys don't?

tulsa / ok
texas/rice
lsu/tulane
miami/fla. int.
co/co st.
uk/eastern k
IL/W. IL
michigan/eastern michigan
UF/Fla Atlantic

LSu plays in state schools because the state govt mandated it.

Ou plays Tulsa for recruiting Tulsa area athletes.

Texas plays Rice to be seen in Houston.  Notice, Texas wont go near the other houston area team.

Ky/Eatern Ky?  Eastern Ky is d1aa. 

The Fla schools all play each other for recruting reasons.

[Big Papa Satan]

If Arkansas and ASU ever meet on the football field, you might want to watch your frontside if you have on a Hog T-shirt.  See link below for further explanation......

http://www.arkst.com/board/index.php?topic=31399.0

When I went to ASU, I wore Hog stuff all the time, even went to a couple games there wearing Razorback stuff, and dared any of them to try something.  Nothing ever happened.

The Sun has an article of that nature a few times every year.  It's nothing new, although I'm surprised their players are so eager to get a beating like what USC did to us the past couple of years.

[Adram]

     as a fan of both teams, i do find it pathetic that UA will not play ASU.  What makes UA superior to the other top teams of other states?  the "we have something to lose" argument shows why the razorbacks will never be a championship team.  i've haven't heard of many championship teams shying away from such a small team b/c of "what if we lose?". that's quite the winning mindset. and for ppl saying it wouldn't be a rivalry, it would be b/c of all the effort UA has put forth not to play ASU.

A school who will not step up to someone like ASU b/c they are worried about the chance of losing will never be a championship team. 

[budcampbellfan]

A friend of mine, an Old Miss alum, years ago told me of when they started playing So. Miss.  The first games were laughers.  The crowds would laugh everytime Ole Miss broke for another long run or pass, touchdown! Ole Miss (again).  Gradually So. Miss became more and more competitive until they were the best program in the state of Mississippi.  Ole Miss is not laughing anymore.

I am for playing ASU.  Especially since we play all the other Sunbelt schools.  Maybe when JFB is gone.  But be careful what you wish for.  If The University of Arkansas continues with this philosophy of the PTB, of just staying at a moderate level of competitiveness on the national level, some other state program will step up and take advantage of the vacuum.  That is what JFB fears.  Why he won't play them.  Does not want to give them the exposure.  Does not want UofA to be pressured to step up to the next level.

[blue]

What do we have to gain by playing any team from the sunbelt. You guys already know the real reason, with Frank and his promise to Coach Barnhill. I hope the new AD doesn't have to make that promise to Frank, just to get the job. The Hogs do not have a rivalry, and desperately need one.

[PigPusher]

Those poor kids just don't understand.  It's not a rivalry just because one side wants it to be.

At some point before the end of time,  the game will be played, but it will never be a rivalry.

But you know it is possible that they might be a rivalry one day.  Say, we begun to play them as one of our tune-up games and they started raking in the money.  Using this money they upgraded their facilities and thus began to attract better players. Right, huh?

[blue]

Those poor kids just don't understand.  It's not a rivalry just because one side wants it to be.

At some point before the end of time,  the game will be played, but it will never be a rivalry.

That's what Texas says about us.

[hogsanity]

Those poor kids just don't understand.  It's not a rivalry just because one side wants it to be.

At some point before the end of time,  the game will be played, but it will never be a rivalry.

But you know it is possible that they might be a rivalry one day.  Say, we begun to play them as one of our tune-up games and they started raking in the money.  Using this money they upgraded their facilities and thus began to attract better players. Right, huh?

THey make just as much by going to play Texas or anyone else that pays them to beat them up. 

[RazorsEdge]

I am not against playing stAte in football, but the "keep the money in the state" argument doesn't hold much water with me.  The $500,000 we were going to give Tenn-Chat would go to stAte and the $500,000 Tennessee was going to give stAte would go to someone else.  It's basically a wash.  I do think most fans would be more interested in a game against stAte than against other SunBelt teams.

[PaleHorse]

It would rank in the top 5 mistakes in Razorback Athletics History...

I hope I never see the day.

[NWAFellows]

Sorry, but I can't help but remember that this is the same school that refuses to play UCA any longer after the Bears scared the life out of them the last time they met on the field.  Not saying I wouldn't relish a UofA vs ASU matchup, but ASU could show their "benevolence" toward their "little brother", too.

Only ASU people consider UCA their "little brother."

The rest of the state sees them as equals - for now.

[hogsanity]

I am not against playing stAte in football, but the "keep the money in the state" argument doesn't hold much water with me.  The $500,000 we were going to give Tenn-Chat would go to stAte and the $500,000 Tennessee was going to give stAte would go to someone else.  It's basically a wash.  I do think most fans would be more interested in a game against stAte than against other SunBelt teams.

But see, that is the rub.  They don't want to treat this like a paid beating.  They want home and home, or in LR with everything split 50/50. 

[budcampbellfan]

I am not against playing stAte in football, but the "keep the money in the state" argument doesn't hold much water with me.  The $500,000 we were going to give Tenn-Chat would go to stAte and the $500,000 Tennessee was going to give stAte would go to someone else.  It's basically a wash.  I do think most fans would be more interested in a game against stAte than against other SunBelt teams.

But see, that is the rub.  They don't want to treat this like a paid beating.  They want home and home, or in LR with everything split 50/50. 

Are you sure of that?  I have never heard of the 50/50 demand before.  You may be right but I don't think so.

[War Warthog]

I am not against playing stAte in football, but the "keep the money in the state" argument doesn't hold much water with me.  The $500,000 we were going to give Tenn-Chat would go to stAte and the $500,000 Tennessee was going to give stAte would go to someone else.  It's basically a wash.  I do think most fans would be more interested in a game against stAte than against other SunBelt teams.

But see, that is the rub.  They don't want to treat this like a paid beating.  They want home and home, or in LR with everything split 50/50. 

Is that what Dean Lee wants?

[311Hog]

I am not against playing stAte in football, but the "keep the money in the state" argument doesn't hold much water with me.  The $500,000 we were going to give Tenn-Chat would go to stAte and the $500,000 Tennessee was going to give stAte would go to someone else.  It's basically a wash.  I do think most fans would be more interested in a game against stAte than against other SunBelt teams.

But see, that is the rub.  They don't want to treat this like a paid beating.  They want home and home, or in LR with everything split 50/50. 

yeah even though the drawing power (revenue potential) for ASU is relatively Non- existant.

This is like a prize fight where one fighter is noteworthy, and can draw a crowd of paying customers and the other is a guy that was formerly a greeter for Wal Mart.

You cant split 50/50 when you own 99/1

[budcampbellfan]

That's why I don't think ASU is asking this.  Totally unreasonable.  They are just another Sun Belt program as far as the UA should be concerned.

[NWAFellows]

ASU vs UCA as an annual rivalry would be far more interesting for the state.

Saying UA vs ASU as a continued rivalry is like saying Troy should be on the schedule every year. When you're a rent-a-win, you can't honestly expect to rival programs that employ rent-a-wins.

ASU needs a fan-base that rivals that of the UA's in order to justify an in-state rivalry. They just don't have that.

[budcampbellfan]

ASU should be on the schedule once every several years like other Sunbelt schools if at all and should get the same financial deal the Sunbelt type schools get.

[RBLtoHOG]

Our schedule is easy enough. Not only do we not need to play ASU, we need to take the other schools in their crappy conference off our schedule.

Like I said, let's play them once, spank em, shut em up, and move on.

[VandyHog]

I grew up in Florida where the universities all played each other and it was a lot of fun. Miami, for a long time, was not very good and I can remember when Florida dreamed of winning their first ever SEC championship.  I'm not a huge Miami fan, but you knew something was up when Howard S. walked out onto Florida field and planted that Miami flag in the middle of their logo.  Sure enough, the first Miami national championship was not far behind. To this day, it was the boldest thing I've ever seen a coach do, but talk about firing up his players and fans. Unbelievable.

I don't know how Arkansas State would do, I don't follow them closely enough to know. But frankly, I would just as soon see the Razorbacks schedule them as Chattanooga or Florida International (although Florida International can put up one heck of an on-field riot!).

[NWAFellows]

I don't know how Arkansas State would do, I don't follow them closely enough to know. But frankly, I would just as soon see the Razorbacks schedule them as Chattanooga or Florida International (although Florida International can put up one heck of an on-field riot!).

Now that's something I can agree with but I think the main problem is that ASU doesn't consider themselves a rent-a-win - at least not when it comes to the UofA.

[The Boar War]

If Arkansas and ASU ever meet on the football field, you might want to watch your frontside if you have on a Hog T-shirt.  See link below for further explanation......

http://www.arkst.com/board/index.php?topic=31399.0

Ouch!  And I thought the A&M message boards were homosexual.

[Albert Einswine]

Those poor kids just don't understand.  It's not a rivalry just because one side wants it to be.

At some point before the end of time,  the game will be played, but it will never be a rivalry.

That's what Texas says about us.

Apples to Oranges,  we played Texas for 70+ straight seasons.  The rivalry meant a whole lot more to us than them, but at least there WAS a rivalry.

[Albert Einswine]

Its Fun that we treat ASU like Texas treats us. We really have no room to dis the tribe. Would we have stomped them a couple years ago?

Like a cockroach!

[Dugann]

I am right there with ASU I think it is a damn shame that we don't play them.  The fans want it on both sides but one old damn man, with  his bent out of date idea on how things work is tooo dumb to see that it is a win win for both sides and the state on whole.  sad sad sad.

[Silver Hog]

Let em play! But ASU should play UCA too, just to be fair.

[Silver Hog]

If ASU beat Troy, and Troy beats the hogs...

[Dugann]

some one in this thread said "that how texas feels about us" that my friends is so true.  We think they are our rival but they think of us as a speed bump.

[Dugann]

think of the money that would stay instate and still count as much except in recruiting depending on how you look at it to play ASU or/and UCA?

Look u think a kid in LA that is a stud prospect and lives near hmmmm lets say SW LA State care if we beat that team, think that going effect his choice?  if it is between AR and SW LA State then we are after the wrong type of recruite anyway.  As a sales person that is lame.  "but it is LA exposure" hell no it isn't we are playing them in NW arkansas.  kids from that area that are top recruits don't care who the hell beats that school IMO.

[NEAHawgfan]

I live about 25 miles from their campus. They're ridiculous. You should check out their message board sometime. Tribalgrounds.....I think. I used to occassionally post there just to get them all fired up, but they always come back with really lame and immature arguments that rarely hold any clout, and even more rarely ever make complete sense. It's basically a "wannabe" program with a bunch of kids who really play hard. It's not the players that are clueless, it's the athletic department and the fans. A friend of mine at work put it best when he said they're so worried about catching up to the Hogs that they can't see that UCA is about to catch them. If we played ASU, we'd beat them by 40 at least. If they played UCA, it would be a great game. I'll sum it up for you.....they're still boasting about beating the Hogs.....in GIRL'S BASKETBALL!!!!!!!!!!

[Silver Hog]

We used to do the same about Texas, woman's basketball that is. 

Face it, we are not that high and mighty that we should snub our noses at any D-1 program.

[Justifiable Hogicide]

They are sure fixated on the Hogs.

And they never cross our minds until they bring this drivel up again and again.

:razorback:

[The Boar War]

I live about 25 miles from their campus. They're ridiculous. You should check out their message board sometime. Tribalgrounds.....I think. I used to occassionally post there just to get them all fired up, but they always come back with really lame and immature arguments that rarely hold any clout, and even more rarely ever make complete sense. It's basically a "wannabe" program with a bunch of kids who really play hard. It's not the players that are clueless, it's the athletic department and the fans. A friend of mine at work put it best when he said they're so worried about catching up to the Hogs that they can't see that UCA is about to catch them. If we played ASU, we'd beat them by 40 at least. If they played UCA, it would be a great game. I'll sum it up for you.....they're still boasting about beating the Hogs.....in GIRL'S BASKETBALL!!!!!!!!!!

I would say that UCA has already caught up and will pass them this year.  Theyve already surpassed ASU in enrollment.

[Michaelt]

Honestly? I'd like the game. First game every season played in Little Rock.

Would be much better than playing a Louisiana directional school AND letting the LA school be the home team so they can take the attendance figures and keep their D1 status.......that gets to me for some reason...

[NMMIHog]

I have always thought it would be cool for them to play in LR every year to kick of the season.

[IronHog]

Sorry, but I can't help but remember that this is the same school that refuses to play UCA any longer after the Bears scared the life out of them the last time they met on the field.  Not saying I wouldn't relish a UofA vs ASU matchup, but ASU could show their "benevolence" toward their "little brother", too.

Only ASU people consider UCA their "little brother."

The rest of the state sees them as equals - for now.

The last time they met 2/5th's of UCA's line was recently departed from UofA

Pretty sure Don Strubing was at center and Landon Lambert was at left tackle.  UCA's right tackle was some dude so big he barely fit in a desk in class.