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Maui Invitational & Legends Classic
« on: November 21, 2017, 10:00:34 am »

Getting the basketball itch bad and was watching some of the Maui Invitational last night.

#6 Wichita St was down 18 in the second half to Cal and came back to win. Full court press was fun to watch.
 
Texas A&M was playing Okie Lite and the announcers said about 3 times how the Aggies are possibly the best team in the SEC this year. They definitely had some guys that could shoot and rebound on the defensive glass. Don't know if I'm ready to say they're better than Kentucky but probably my biggest fear as an opponent since we play them twice in less than a month.
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Re: Maui Invitational
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2017, 10:12:37 am »

Getting the basketball itch bad and was watching some of the Maui Invitational last night.

#6 Wichita St was down 18 in the second half to Cal and came back to win. Full court press was fun to watch.
 
Texas A&M was playing Okie Lite and the announcers said about 3 times how the Aggies are possibly the best team in the SEC this year. They definitely had some guys that could shoot and rebound on the defensive glass. Don't know if I'm ready to say they're better than Kentucky but probably my biggest fear as an opponent since we play them twice in less than a month.

Cal was very shaky with their ball-handling and panicked when pressed. So many bad passes on consecutive possessions. Wichita was very aggressive in attacking the basket in their half court offense. Very solid team.

aTm is better than KY right now and would be my pick for conference champs. Florida is better than KY as well, IMO, and I see it as a two team race right now between Florida and aTm, with Arkansas, Bama and KY fighting it out for third place.
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Re: Maui Invitational
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2017, 10:32:08 am »

Getting the basketball itch bad and was watching some of the Maui Invitational last night.

#6 Wichita St was down 18 in the second half to Cal and came back to win. Full court press was fun to watch.
 
Texas A&M was playing Okie Lite and the announcers said about 3 times how the Aggies are possibly the best team in the SEC this year. They definitely had some guys that could shoot and rebound on the defensive glass. Don't know if I'm ready to say they're better than Kentucky but probably my biggest fear as an opponent since we play them twice in less than a month.

Kentucky looks awful. No way around it. I'm sure they will improve as the year goes on, but this is not a particularly dangerous UK team. I would feel comfortable placing 3-4 SEC teams above Kentucky right now. I think people are thinking UK is good because they hung around with Kansas, who is also overrated this year. That game was brutal. Not the Kentucky or Kansas we're used to.
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Re: Maui Invitational
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2017, 10:34:39 am »

Load up on Knox. Double team him and make somebody else beat you.
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Re: Maui Invitational
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2017, 10:45:23 am »

Texas a&m is winning off of the recruiting classes from 2-3 years ago. Who are the sponsored by? Oh yeah, Adidas.

And who was an assistant coach during that time? Oh yeah, Rick Stansbury.

Bunch of effin CHEATERS!!!
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Re: Maui Invitational
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2017, 10:53:49 am »

Besides their two big men and Gilder they aren't much
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Re: Maui Invitational
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2017, 10:55:43 am »

Besides their two big men and Gilder they aren't much
and Hogg.
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Re: Maui Invitational
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2017, 10:56:44 am »

Texas a&m is winning off of the recruiting classes from 2-3 years ago. Who are the sponsored by? Oh yeah, Adidas.

And who was an assistant coach during that time? Oh yeah, Rick Stansbury.

Bunch of effin CHEATERS!!!

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Re: Maui Invitational
« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2017, 11:05:13 am »

Texas a&m is winning off of the recruiting classes from 2-3 years ago. Who are the sponsored by? Oh yeah, Adidas.

And who was an assistant coach during that time? Oh yeah, Rick Stansbury.

Bunch of effin CHEATERS!!!

Now they have 0 commitments for 2018. Stinky.
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Re: Maui Invitational
« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2017, 11:08:43 am »

Besides their two big men and Gilder they aren't much

Don't need much more than that.
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Re: Maui Invitational
« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2017, 11:13:07 am »

Besides their two big men and Gilder they aren't much

"Besides their two senior guards and Gafford, they aren't much" could easily be said about Arkansas, no? Think about how silly it sounds to subtract a team's best players and then judge them.
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Re: Maui Invitational
« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2017, 11:13:33 am »

Texas a&m is winning off of the recruiting classes from 2-3 years ago. Who are the sponsored by? Oh yeah, Adidas.

And who was an assistant coach during that time? Oh yeah, Rick Stansbury.

Bunch of effin CHEATERS!!!

This!
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Re: Maui Invitational
« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2017, 11:53:16 am »

How did the kid from Arkansas on the Wichita St. team look?  I saw the box score and it looks like he got some production out of his minutes but other than that I don't know anything else. 

Wonder if he could have been a contributor here or not?
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Re: Maui Invitational
« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2017, 11:55:25 am »

How did the kid from Arkansas on the Wichita St. team look?  I saw the box score and it looks like he got some production out of his minutes but other than that I don't know anything else. 

Wonder if he could have been a contributor here or not?

Sure, he could have contributed. But I don't know that he was any better of an option than C.J. Jones as a player and is definitely less of a system fit.
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Re: Maui Invitational
« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2017, 12:12:52 pm »

How did the kid from Arkansas on the Wichita St. team look?  I saw the box score and it looks like he got some production out of his minutes but other than that I don't know anything else. 

Wonder if he could have been a contributor here or not?

Jimmy Whitt and Nick Babb are both looking like players with NBA futures this season.  Either one of them would have a bigger impact here this season than the kid you are talking about.
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Re: Maui Invitational
« Reply #15 on: November 21, 2017, 12:18:06 pm »

Florida has some serious issues on defense. I havenít seen A&M yet but we are the best defensive team I have seen from the SEC.

So far I have seen Mizzou, Bama, Florida, Kentucky, Georgia, Auburn, South Carolina, and Vandy.
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« Reply #16 on: November 21, 2017, 12:23:23 pm »

Cal was very shaky with their ball-handling and panicked when pressed. So many bad passes on consecutive possessions. Wichita was very aggressive in attacking the basket in their half court offense. Very solid team.

aTm is better than KY right now and would be my pick for conference champs. Florida is better than KY as well, IMO, and I see it as a two team race right now between Florida and aTm, with Arkansas, Bama and KY fighting it out for third place.
Yeah they threw the ball into the corner like 5 times down the stretch. Couldn't handle the pressure. It was fun to watch though. Shows the mark of a good team to come back like that when things weren't going well early.

TAMU definitely looked solid. We always find a way to play good against Florida but I feel like we lay an egg against TAMU once a year.
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Re: Maui Invitational
« Reply #17 on: November 21, 2017, 12:25:02 pm »

How did the kid from Arkansas on the Wichita St. team look?  I saw the box score and it looks like he got some production out of his minutes but other than that I don't know anything else. 

Wonder if he could have been a contributor here or not?
Didn't shine, but worked decently in the system. They play good team ball over there.

I'm sure he could've helped us off the bench but I'd rather have kids fired up to be Hogs.
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Re: Maui Invitational
« Reply #18 on: November 21, 2017, 12:26:45 pm »

Besides their two big men and Gilder they aren't much
Imo the eyeball test and on paper aTm is the best in the conference and its not close
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« Reply #19 on: November 21, 2017, 12:28:14 pm »

TAMU definitely looked solid. We always find a way to play good against Florida but I feel like we lay an egg against TAMU once a year.
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When was the last time we beat Florida?? I feel like in recent memory we haven't been able to figure them out. We haven't won at Florida since '95
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Re: Maui Invitational
« Reply #20 on: November 21, 2017, 12:30:20 pm »

Watched a little LSU - Michigan last night.  LSU looks improved and competitive for how low they were picked in the SEC. 
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« Reply #21 on: November 21, 2017, 01:02:27 pm »

Watched a little LSU - Michigan last night.  LSU looks improved and competitive for how low they were picked in the SEC.

Well, I guess this is another example of the rising tide lifting all boats. The SEC is gonna be tough this year where even a loss to a last place team isn't an RPI buster.
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« Reply #22 on: November 21, 2017, 01:08:47 pm »

TAMU definitely looked solid. We always find a way to play good against Florida but I feel like we lay an egg against TAMU once a year.

We would have a better chance to sweep all three games against KY and TAMU if we had two games against KY this year and one game against TAMU in the Bud. TAMU is a good threat to sweep us this year though and that's another reason I see getting a win against KY at home as so important to our overall success in conference.

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Re: Maui Invitational
« Reply #23 on: November 21, 2017, 01:35:58 pm »

Getting the basketball itch bad and was watching some of the Maui Invitational last night.

#6 Wichita St was down 18 in the second half to Cal and came back to win. Full court press was fun to watch.
 
Texas A&M was playing Okie Lite and the announcers said about 3 times how the Aggies are possibly the best team in the SEC this year. They definitely had some guys that could shoot and rebound on the defensive glass. Don't know if I'm ready to say they're better than Kentucky but probably my biggest fear as an opponent since we play them twice in less than a month.
Don't know about that but.....the few times I've watched a few minutes of TAM this year Davis makes me think of King Kong for some reason :D :D
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Re: Maui Invitational
« Reply #24 on: November 21, 2017, 02:09:20 pm »

TAMU definitely looked solid. We always find a way to play good against Florida but I feel like we lay an egg against TAMU once a year.


When was the last time we beat Florida?? I feel like in recent memory we haven't been able to figure them out. We haven't won at Florida since '95
Last time we beat them was 2012-13 when they were ranked #2.
2013-14 Lost by 2 in OT vs. #10 Florida
2014-15 Lost by 1 @ Florida
2015-16 Lost by 4 @ Florida
2016-17 Lost by 13 @ #12 Florida

Other than last season those are really close games.
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Re: Maui Invitational
« Reply #25 on: November 21, 2017, 02:10:58 pm »

We would have a better chance to sweep all three games against KY and TAMU if we had two games against KY this year and one game against TAMU in the Bud. TAMU is a good threat to sweep us this year though and that's another reason I see getting a win against KY at home as so important to our overall success in conference.
Very possible if TAMU turns out to be better than UK this year.
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« Reply #26 on: November 21, 2017, 03:26:11 pm »

Cal was very shaky with their ball-handling and panicked when pressed. So many bad passes on consecutive possessions. Wichita was very aggressive in attacking the basket in their half court offense. Very solid team.

aTm is better than KY right now and would be my pick for conference champs. Florida is better than KY as well, IMO, and I see it as a two team race right now between Florida and aTm, with Arkansas, Bama and KY fighting it out for third place.
I'm not sold on aTm being the champs.  There post play is superior, but they don't have great ball handlers. I think Florida is the best team in the conference. We will finish 2nd and will be 3rd.
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« Reply #27 on: November 21, 2017, 07:30:29 pm »

I'm not sold on aTm being the champs.  There post play is superior, but they don't have great ball handlers. I think Florida is the best team in the conference. We will finish 2nd and will be 3rd.
Their 3 new guards appear to be vastly better at handling the ball than last year, Hogg looks improved also.
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Re: Maui Invitational & Legends Classic
« Reply #28 on: November 22, 2017, 08:12:18 am »

A&M looked solid again last night against Penn St and won the Legends Classic. Definitely got that game circled on my schedule. Hope we can at least split with them.

Notre Dame and Wichita St are playing for the final in Maui tonight. Should be a fun game to watch for a neutral.
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Re: Maui Invitational
« Reply #29 on: November 22, 2017, 08:14:49 am »

Jimmy Whitt and Nick Babb are both looking like players with NBA futures this season.  Either one of them would have a bigger impact here this season than the kid you are talking about.

Whitt and Babb both benefited from a redshirt year to grow and mature. Whitt looks completely different physically. Imagine them both with the Hogs right now:

Babb: 15.6ppg, 7.6rebs, 6.2asts

Whitt: 7.5ppg, 5.8rebs, 6.5asts

I remember people making fun of me when I supported Babb and said losing him would be a big loss. Sad those two are on the court for us right now. What a backcourt that would be.
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Re: Maui Invitational & Legends Classic
« Reply #31 on: November 22, 2017, 09:18:29 am »

Whitt and Babb both benefited from a redshirt year to grow and mature. Whitt looks completely different physically. Imagine them both with the Hogs right now:

Babb: 15.6ppg, 7.6rebs, 6.2asts

Whitt: 7.5ppg, 5.8rebs, 6.5asts

I remember people making fun of me when I supported Babb and said losing him would be a big loss. Sad those two are on the court for us right now. What a backcourt that would be.
Would we of went after Barford and Macon if we had kept both of them,how much different would we be if say we had whitt and Babbs instead of Macon and Barford ?
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« Reply #32 on: November 22, 2017, 09:29:26 am »

Would we of went after Barford and Macon if we had kept both of them,how much different would we be if say we had whitt and Babbs instead of Macon and Barford ?
not even close to where we are now
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« Reply #33 on: November 22, 2017, 09:39:08 am »

Would we of went after Barford and Macon if we had kept both of them,how much different would we be if say we had whitt and Babbs instead of Macon and Barford ?

Macon? For sure. Barford? Probably. They guy we probably wouldn't have right now is CJ Jones.
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Re: Maui Invitational & Legends Classic
« Reply #34 on: November 22, 2017, 09:53:03 am »

Whitt and Babb both benefited from a redshirt year to grow and mature. Whitt looks completely different physically. Imagine them both with the Hogs right now:

Babb: 15.6ppg, 7.6rebs, 6.2asts

Whitt: 7.5ppg, 5.8rebs, 6.5asts

I remember people making fun of me when I supported Babb and said losing him would be a big loss. Sad those two are on the court for us right now. What a backcourt that would be.

I supported Babb because he was the only one that would stay in front of his man and stop them from driving the lanes to the basket. The rest were  playing bullfighter defense. Ole
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