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When Barford and Macon are cold
« on: November 13, 2017, 09:29:49 am »

What do y'all envision happening when our two studs struggle?  Will we ride Jones and Gafford for points?  Anyone else on the roster capable of scoring consistently?
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Re: When Barford and Macon are cold
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2017, 09:33:24 am »

What do y'all envision happening when our two studs struggle?  Will we ride Jones and Gafford for points?  Anyone else on the roster capable of scoring consistently?

If you haven't noticed this team takes a ton of shots inside the lane by driving to the basket.  I personally don't see this as an issue that some are trying to make it, I think it's our strength.  We're fairly big with athletes everywhere on the court.  This team can drive, dish and rebound with the best of them right now.
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Re: When Barford and Macon are cold
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2017, 09:33:58 am »

What do y'all envision happening when our two studs struggle?  Will we ride Jones and Gafford for points?  Anyone else on the roster capable of scoring consistently?

That's what I'm anxious to see most of all. The good thing is that Macon and Barford can both beat people off the dribble and finish at the room. Also, we will have to really force the tempo and defensive pressure to get easy baskets.

I'm interested to see the offensive movement when we're on the road and can't make anything from the perimeter. Will we still have good movement and create high percentage shots or will we revert to 1 on 1 ball?
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Re: When Barford and Macon are cold
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2017, 10:12:02 am »

Beard and Thompson can generate drives to the basket and good vision..we will always have somebody..Jones and Bailey can drive also
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Re: When Barford and Macon are cold
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2017, 10:16:16 am »

CJ Jones. I dont want Beard to ever think he should be the main scorer on the floor. He is best when playing his role.
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Re: When Barford and Macon are cold
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2017, 10:17:13 am »

Will score with defense. If Barford and Macon are off it's going to be tough to generate points. CJ Jones will hopefully become more assertive and confident by Jan.
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Re: When Barford and Macon are cold
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2017, 10:23:24 am »

Also, how will we respond the first time on the road when we can't hit the broadside of the barn and the ref's call a foul every time we look at someone? We know there will be some of those games, especially away from the Bud. Referees have let us play for the most part and our Defense has excelled, but that will not be the case on the road a lot of times.
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Re: When Barford and Macon are cold
« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2017, 10:25:57 am »

When Barford and Macon are cold they will just attack the basket and get to the freethrow line. 
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Re: When Barford and Macon are cold
« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2017, 10:29:43 am »

No worries.They will drive to the basket draw fouls & get to the line. These two should be able to score in many different ways. Now if they were a spot up shooter I would be concern.
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Re: When Barford and Macon are cold
« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2017, 10:31:45 am »

When Barford and Macon are cold they will just attack the basket and get to the freethrow line.
Which is the universal cure for the common cold spell!
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Re: When Barford and Macon are cold
« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2017, 10:33:18 am »

I really do not see this being too big of an issue, because I feel like even if they both struggle on certain night they would still put up 10-12 pts each, like that would be a bad game for them.  We have enough scoring from everyone else on our roster to still put up 75-80ish points when they have a bad night.
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Re: When Barford and Macon are cold
« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2017, 10:40:46 am »

CJ Jones. I dont want Beard to ever think he should be the main scorer on the floor. He is best when playing his role.

He seems so much more comfortable this year.  Last year I think he kind of felt like he needed to step up and be the man.  Now he knows it's definitely on Barford and Macon.  He is playing like Manny Watkins but with better scoring upside.  At some point, he's going to miss a questionable decision three, but he's also going to make some of those. 
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Re: When Barford and Macon are cold
« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2017, 10:52:03 am »

CJ Jones. I dont want Beard to ever think he should be the main scorer on the floor. He is best when playing his role.
Beard played one of his best games last night.  You are right he needs to play his role. CJ Jones is playing good.  If he learns how to drive to the goal with the balll in his hand as well as he cuts to the basket without the ball, this team will be special.     
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Re: When Barford and Macon are cold
« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2017, 11:12:34 am »

What does any team at any level do when their top two scorers struggle? They struggle, maybe lose. We will live or die this season according to how well Barford and Macon perform.

Having said that, I agree with other posters who have pointed out that Macon and Barford are not spot-up shooters. They can drive to hole, create shots, get to the line. We're in good hands with those two.
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Re: When Barford and Macon are cold
« Reply #14 on: November 13, 2017, 11:16:28 am »

yeah, i am worried though when they start calling everything a foul.  If either gets in foul trouble, or just a lot of fouls in general, will have to see how we play.
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Re: When Barford and Macon are cold
« Reply #15 on: November 13, 2017, 11:19:21 am »

For Gafford to be effective he's gotta stay on the floor.  The only problem I see thru the first 2 games is his inability to stay out of foul trouble.  He's a dynamic player and I think we will need his minutes especially if Macon or Barford aren't on the floor.
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Re: When Barford and Macon are cold
« Reply #16 on: November 13, 2017, 11:45:19 am »

To be clear, I love the way Beard is playing this year. He just needs to stick to his role. CJ has the scoring ability to take over a game with his jump shot.
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Re: When Barford and Macon are cold
« Reply #17 on: November 13, 2017, 12:00:36 pm »

If we continue to drive to the lane, this will hardly be an issue.
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Re: When Barford and Macon are cold
« Reply #18 on: November 13, 2017, 12:01:01 pm »

If they are not shooting well, they can always play really good defense to generate points. They just have to want to play defense.
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Re: When Barford and Macon are cold
« Reply #19 on: November 13, 2017, 12:16:17 pm »

For Gafford to be effective he's gotta stay on the floor.  The only problem I see thru the first 2 games is his inability to stay out of foul trouble.  He's a dynamic player and I think we will need his minutes especially if Macon or Barford aren't on the floor.

That's why it's so important to get Thomas and Cook back. Gafford just needs to be able to give us 20 minutes of bounce and energy off the bench a night.
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Re: When Barford and Macon are cold
« Reply #20 on: November 13, 2017, 02:12:31 pm »

To be clear, I love the way Beard is playing this year. He just needs to stick to his role. CJ has the scoring ability to take over a game with his jump shot.

I'm glad that Beard is not trying to be a undersized 2 guard.
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Re: When Barford and Macon are cold
« Reply #21 on: November 13, 2017, 02:17:15 pm »

If they keep playing the way they have with team defense, cutting/slashing to the hole, FT and rebounding.....these things can overcome a poor shooting night.
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Re: When Barford and Macon are cold
« Reply #22 on: November 13, 2017, 02:20:05 pm »

Drive and get to the foul line.
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Re: When Barford and Macon are cold
« Reply #23 on: November 13, 2017, 02:21:26 pm »

i just don't think both will be cold at the same time very often if at all.  Winning on the road is always the best test, but that is what SR guards generally do.  They appear to have a very real chip on their shoulders and the skill to back it up.
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Re: When Barford and Macon are cold
« Reply #24 on: November 13, 2017, 02:38:37 pm »

In the Bucknell game they had 4 players in double figures, in the game with Samford they had 6 in double digits. I don't think points will be the problem with this team.

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Re: When Barford and Macon are cold
« Reply #25 on: November 18, 2017, 11:02:06 am »

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Re: When Barford and Macon are cold
« Reply #26 on: November 18, 2017, 11:29:32 am »

Didn't get to stream the game, had to listen on the radio...was taking care of my mom.....but it sounded like Beard and Gafford were working well together.
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Re: When Barford and Macon are cold
« Reply #27 on: November 19, 2017, 01:16:14 pm »

I'd like to rephrase the OPs question: Do we have a go-to 3pt shooter? If not on par with Dillard/Bradley, somewhere close?

EFBAB
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Re: When Barford and Macon are cold
« Reply #28 on: November 19, 2017, 01:19:45 pm »

I'd like to rephrase the OPs question: Do we have a go-to 3pt shooter? If not on par with Dillard/Bradley, somewhere close?

EFBAB

We don't have an elite volume score from Deep like Dillard right now maybe CJ Jones could be that guy but he hasn't developed into a consistent volume long-range shooter yet. I think he could be instant offense like Dillard though with the added bonus of having a mid-range game.
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Re: When Barford and Macon are cold
« Reply #29 on: November 19, 2017, 01:54:06 pm »

Well, every team is vulnerable when the top-two scorers are having off games.  Macon didn't really have a Macon day against Fresno, largely due to the Fresno defense keying on him.  Beard and Gafford were able to pick up the slack on this night and make them pay.  Barford was not exactly en fuego for him either. He shot under 50%.  We still scored a healthy 1.13 points per possession.  Also, I was pleased that on a night in which the shots weren't raining down that we managed to grind out a 31-11 run against a good offensive team after falling down 6-0 to start the game.  Good defense can take a lot of pressure off the offense.  Bad defense makes the offense look worse than it is.

However, they need to start chugging some Red Bulls at half. In the last two games they haven't been able to get a stop to start the second half.  That will catch up to us eventually. Otherwise, the defense has been quite good in the first three games and a pleasant surprise. 

As for other scorers, I expect Jones to bust out with a huge game one of these days. The return of Thomas should help.  He's probably our best shooting forward.
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Re: When Barford and Macon are cold
« Reply #30 on: November 19, 2017, 04:11:06 pm »

I also want to know how this reacts when teams put their best defensive men on Barford and Macon?  NC and OKLA and many teams in the SEC having athletic defensive guards and we have to find other scorers.  Or with Macon or Barford are not on their game who steps up.  We will see going forward. 

Tom Crean who coached Indiana for a few years and is now on ESPN said it best when he said if you want to win games against good teams you have to learn to win many different ways.  We will find out more about ourselves when we play Okla and NC and get into the SEC. 
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Re: When Barford and Macon are cold
« Reply #31 on: November 19, 2017, 04:33:00 pm »

I also want to know how this reacts when teams put their best defensive men on Barford and Macon?  NC and OKLA and many teams in the SEC having athletic defensive guards and we have to find other scorers.  Or with Macon or Barford are not on their game who steps up.  We will see going forward. 

Tom Crean who coached Indiana for a few years and is now on ESPN said it best when he said if you want to win games against good teams you have to learn to win many different ways.  We will find out more about ourselves when we play Okla and NC and get into the SEC.

I simply don't think anybody can guard Barford one in one. Same with Macon. It'll take a team effort for these teams.
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