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hawganatic

Quote from: EastexHawg on May 22, 2017, 11:17:56 am
Disappearing at crunch time of big games used to be the knock against LeBron.  He has overcome that in the last few years.  It will be interesting to see if this was a one time bad game or if it has lasting effects, including psychological.  If Boston is able to win another game or two and make a series of it, which I doubt, last night's game will take on more significance as opposed to being a mere blip on the radar.

Cleveland was up by 21, with a two game lead in the series where they blew Boston out on their homecourt twice.  I didn't watch the game the other night but I suspect Lebron checked out mentally and didn't get back into it when he had too.

More than likely a one time, wake up call for James and the Cavs.

King Kong

Quote from: hawganatic on May 23, 2017, 05:10:32 pm
I suspect Lebron checked out mentally and didn't get back into it when he had too.

Which would never have happened to MJ

 

PonderinHog

Quote from: hawganatic on May 23, 2017, 05:10:32 pm
Cleveland was up by 21, with a two game lead in the series where they blew Boston out on their homecourt twice.  I didn't watch the game the other night but I suspect Lebron checked out mentally and didn't get back into it when he had too.

More than likely a one time, wake up call for James and the Cavs.
We'll know more tonight.

hawganatic

Quote from: King Kong on May 23, 2017, 05:33:02 pm
Which would never have happened to MJ

Or Kobe, or Bird, or Magic....

James is probably the most physically gifted athlete we are ever going to see, and has all the skills every other player named in this thread has, but his "killer instinct" doesn't seem to be on par with the others. 

I want Lebron on my team because he will get me to that point to win the game, but when it comes down to that last shot, I want MJ/Kobe/Bird/Magic taking that shot for the win....

urkillnmesmalls

The game is played so differently now than it was even in Jordan's era.  It's tough to compare.  It's hard to imagine what Jordan would do to a defense if everyone was pulled out away from the lane the way the game is played now.  Same for Iverson.  They would just break people down, and it would be dunk after layup after dunk. 

I'd take Jordan, but...I do acknowledge that he played with Pippin, and Pippin generally guarded the opposition's best player, which did give Jordan some relief.  He also commanded a lot of attention, which helped Jordan on offense as well. 

Clutch.  That's the sole differentiator for me.  NO WAY I would want the ball in LJ's hands over MJ with the game on the line, which is the deciding factor for me. 
I've never wanted a Hog coach to be successful more than I do for Pittman.  He's one of the good guys.

ErieHog

Quote from: urkillnmesmalls on May 24, 2017, 03:10:48 pm
The game is played so differently now than it was even in Jordan's era.  It's tough to compare.  It's hard to imagine what Jordan would do to a defense if everyone was pulled out away from the lane the way the game is played now.  Same for Iverson.  They would just break people down, and it would be dunk after layup after dunk. 

I'd take Jordan, but...I do acknowledge that he played with Pippin, and Pippin generally guarded the opposition's best player, which did give Jordan some relief.  He also commanded a lot of attention, which helped Jordan on offense as well. 

Clutch.  That's the sole differentiator for me.  NO WAY I would want the ball in LJ's hands over MJ with the game on the line, which is the deciding factor for me. 


The numbers argue otherwise, both playoff and regular season -  under 5 seconds, tied or trailing by one;  in the last minute,   etc. 

There's a few different combined metrics as well, like PIE,  that show LeBron is a better bet in that situation.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

EastexHawg

Anyone notice what Kyrie Irving did last night?  With LeBron sitting on the bench with four first half fouls, Irving scored 19 points in the final five minutes of the second quarter to avert what could have been a Boston blowout and keep the Cavaliers within reach until James could return in the second half.  Overall Irving scored 42 points on 15 of 22 shooting...9 of 10 in the second quarter...to possibly save Cleveland's season.

That's the kind of "help" LeBron James has, one of the premier players in the league.  Well, actually, make that two.  Before coming to the Cavaliers so he can be James' and Irving's third option, Kevin Love was the only 24 point, 14 rebound per game player in the NBA over his last three seasons in Minnesota.  Love is the only active player in the NBA to have a 30 point, 30 rebound game in his career.

Jordan had Pippen and...who?  Toni Kukoc?  Bill Wennington?  He certainly didn't have two more 25 point per game scorers on his team, one of them one of the best rebounders in the league over the last 5-10 years and the other one of the most dynamic guards in the NBA, capable of taking over playoff games at any time.

Youngsta71701

Quote from: Dominicanhog on May 23, 2017, 05:51:13 am
I've always thought he was the best player of all time, but the question was MJ or LJ... well, I guess MJ could have been Magic Johnson.. Ok, I'm changing my choice.. Magic was the man... if I was starting a team, he'd be the one I'd take..
I believe Magic was the best all-around player of all time because he could play all 5 positions but not the best PLAYER of all time. And that's the type of player LeBron James is. He's probably the 2nd best all-around player behind Magic because he could probably play center if he wanted to and be pretty good at it. But Jordan is the best PLAYER or all time. JMO though...Carry on...

Maybe we should just categorize it as the best player at each position... ??? I think that's about the fairest you can make it.

PG - Magic Johnson
SG - Michael Jordan
SF - Larry Bird
PF - Tim Duncan
C - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar/Hakeem Olajuwon...This one is a toss up for me.
"The more things change the more they stay the same"

CallMeAl

Wish we had an NBA forum and this forum would just be for Razorback basketball.
Hog since birth.

RebHog

Quote from: Rusty Shackleford on May 25, 2017, 04:55:19 pm
Wish we had an NBA forum and this forum would just be for Razorback basketball.

If you don't like the thread simply don't click on it hell there is only 10 or so active threads at a time this shouldn't cause you any inconvenience searching for one you like.

CallMeAl

Quote from: RebHog on May 25, 2017, 05:35:04 pm
If you don't like the thread simply don't click on it hell there is only 10 or so active threads at a time this shouldn't cause you any inconvenience searching for one you like.
Thanks for the advice. But I think I will continue to try to annoy posters that post non Razorback stuff in the wrong forums.
Hog since birth.

hog.goblin

Quote from: Rusty Shackleford on May 25, 2017, 09:48:50 pm
Thanks for the advice. But I think I will continue to try to annoy posters that post non Razorback stuff in the wrong forums.


As long as we aren't distracting you from the exciting college basketball games being played right now

hawganatic

Quote from: EastexHawg on May 24, 2017, 03:55:35 pm
That's the kind of "help" LeBron James has

Anybody who says Lebron doesn't have help doesn't watch a lot of basketball.  He didn't start winning championships until he went to Miami and formed that "super team."

 

EastexHawg

I see LeBron "broke the record" last night, finally scoring as many points in 212 playoff games as Jordan scored in 179.

Maybe the NBA can make all the playoff series best of 13 so even more records can be broken.

PharmacistHog

Quote from: Rusty Shackleford on May 25, 2017, 09:48:50 pm
Thanks for the advice. But I think I will continue to try to annoy posters that post non Razorback stuff in the wrong forums.


Be sure and not annoy me.........
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Adam Stokes

Quote from: EastexHawg on May 26, 2017, 09:11:58 am
I see LeBron "broke the record" last night, finally scoring as many points in 212 playoff games as Jordan scored in 179.

Maybe the NBA can make all the playoff series best of 13 so even more records can be broken.

If Jordan didn't retire every time he got bored he probably would've never relinquished the record. When Arkansas only plays 3 quarters compared to the other team, it's not a surprise they have less points when all is said and done.

ErieHog

Quote from: EastexHawg on May 26, 2017, 09:11:58 am
I see LeBron "broke the record" last night, finally scoring as many points in 212 playoff games as Jordan scored in 179.

Maybe the NBA can make all the playoff series best of 13 so even more records can be broken.

LeBron did it in a 120 fewer FGAs.  This is the kind of fake outrage that really hurts the Jordan case.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

EastexHawg

Quote from: ErieHog on May 26, 2017, 10:52:08 am
LeBron did it in a 120 fewer FGAs.  This is the kind of fake outrage that really hurts the Jordan case.

Wait, aren't you the guy who said you can't compare players who played different positions?  If we're going to say FG% is more important, Tristan Thompson was the best scorer on the Cavs during the Boston series since he shot something like 74% from the field.  Never mind that a lot of his shots were dunks, layups, and offensive rebound put backs.

But...I'm glad you brought this up.  It only reinforces my earlier case for Charles Barkley as he relates to LeBron.  Barkley shot over 51% during his playoff career compared to LeBron's 48%, so if Barkley had played a lot more playoff games he would have eventually outscored LeBron AND done so in fewer shot attempts, prompting you to rush to his defense if someone had pointed out that it took him longer to do it.

ErieHog

Quote from: EastexHawg on May 26, 2017, 11:41:16 am
Wait, aren't you the guy who said you can't compare players who played different positions?  If we're going to say FG% is more important, Tristan Thompson was the best scorer on the Cavs during the Boston series since he shot something like 74% from the field.  Never mind that a lot of his shots were dunks, layups, and offensive rebound put backs.

But...I'm glad you brought this up.  It only reinforces my earlier case for Charles Barkley as he relates to LeBron.  Barkley shot over 51% during his playoff career compared to LeBron's 48%, so if Barkley had played a lot more playoff games he would have eventually outscored LeBron AND done so in fewer shot attempts, prompting you to rush to his defense if someone had pointed out that it took him longer to do it.

No, as usual, you don't understand.

It emphasizes that not only is LeBron a more effective playoff scorer, that it has brought his teams significantly more consistent success-- hence why he has played significantly more playoff games.   That's the reason he's outscored Jordan-- outperforming him, not just out-shooting him.

No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

311Hog

Quote from: ErieHog on May 26, 2017, 11:45:59 am
No, as usual, you don't understand.

It emphasizes that not only is LeBron a more effective playoff scorer, that it has brought his teams significantly more consistent success-- hence why he has played significantly more playoff games.   That's the reason he's outscored Jordan-- outperforming him, not just out-shooting him.



I don't agree with this, it means LeBron dunks more.  Probably because the guys best move is Head down, charge to the basket and rise up to finish because no one can stop him due to his fame and his freakish athletic ability.

MJ is clearly better i mean why does LeBron were number 23 ? hmmm and people shouting down KD for joining the warriors didn't LeBron coordinate the creation of the Miami heat  super team?

To me if Magic never got aids/hiv then people would be talking about is LeBron better then Magic because their games are more similar then LeBron vs MJ.  LeBron to me has what Shaq had, just an insanely abnormal physical superiority while yes tons of skill, but most of his success comes from the fact that no one is that big/fast/etc.  MJ was competitive will and crazy good/honed basketball skills not because he was twice the size and just as fast as his competition.

ErieHog

Quote from: 311Hog on May 26, 2017, 11:52:41 am
I don't agree with this, it means LeBron dunks more.  Probably because the guys best move is Head down, charge to the basket and rise up to finish because no one can stop him due to his fame and his freakish athletic ability.

MJ is clearly better i mean why does LeBron were number 23 ? hmmm and people shouting down KD for joining the warriors didn't LeBron coordinate the creation of the Miami heat  super team?

To me if Magic never got aids/hiv then people would be talking about is LeBron better then Magic because their games are more similar then LeBron vs MJ.  LeBron to me has what Shaq had, just an insanely abnormal physical superiority while yes tons of skill, but most of his success comes from the fact that no one is that big/fast/etc.  MJ was competitive will and crazy good/honed basketball skills not because he was twice the size and just as fast as his competition.

LeBron dunks more?

No,  LeBron shoots from the perimeter more.   And within a third of a percent of equal efficiently.   That's how you get more points in fewer FGAs.

The two are a much better skill comp, and play more similarly in a scoring role, than in any other fashion.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

GoPigs69

Lyndon B Johnson?

Never knew he hooped...

I got him then.

311Hog

Quote from: ErieHog on May 26, 2017, 11:56:53 am
LeBron dunks more?

No,  LeBron shoots from the perimeter more.   And within a third of a percent of equal efficiently.   That's how you get more points in fewer FGAs.

The two are a much better skill comp, and play more similarly in a scoring role, than in any other fashion.

http://www.businessinsider.com/michael-jordan-points-out-flaw-lebron-game-2013-2

old but sort of what i was trying to say.  bull rush right even Jordan says unstoppable probably going to dunk it or finish at the rim.  go left probably a jump shot.  If Lebron was the same physically as Jordan he would not be nearly as effective.  IE in the skill to physical skills balance to me Jordan easily more skill and Lebron easily more physical, but even then i see Lebron more as a magic point forward type, and Jordan as a scorer and dominator of the game any game.

ErieHog

Quote from: 311Hog on May 26, 2017, 12:16:51 pm
http://www.businessinsider.com/michael-jordan-points-out-flaw-lebron-game-2013-2

old but sort of what i was trying to say.  bull rush right even Jordan says unstoppable probably going to dunk it or finish at the rim.  go left probably a jump shot.  If Lebron was the same physically as Jordan he would not be nearly as effective.  IE in the skill to physical skills balance to me Jordan easily more skill and Lebron easily more physical, but even then i see Lebron more as a magic point forward type, and Jordan as a scorer and dominator of the game any game.

They're both perimeter oriented offensive players.  And the source there, is about 4 years dated-- but the point remains they're both perimeter jump shooters-- Jordan uses the turnaround fade away, like LeBron uses the lead shoulder to fake a bull rush to the rim, with a pull up J.

LeBron is more physically gifted than Jordan--  leaping grace tends to capture the imagination, more easily than being 6'8 and 270,  yet still one of the most mobile, coordinated, and athletic guys playing the game.

The main difference is competitiveness-- that is the Jordan edge.  Everything else...he's at a disadvantage.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

 

311Hog

Quote from: ErieHog on May 26, 2017, 12:32:36 pm
They're both perimeter oriented offensive players.  And the source there, is about 4 years dated-- but the point remains they're both perimeter jump shooters-- Jordan uses the turnaround fade away, like LeBron uses the lead shoulder to fake a bull rush to the rim, with a pull up J.

LeBron is more physically gifted than Jordan--  leaping grace tends to capture the imagination, more easily than being 6'8 and 270,  yet still one of the most mobile, coordinated, and athletic guys playing the game.

The main difference is competitiveness-- that is the Jordan edge.  Everything else...he's at a disadvantage.


agree with all you posted i just do not think of either if them strictly in offensive sense.  I think alot of their "greatness" lies in their defensive ability.  Again Lebron's once in a life time physical ability and God's gift comes into play for me.  Being able to do what a guard does in a power foward's body or simply to as you say play as if he is a guard.  They both play insanely high level defensively and to me that is why they win so much more so than their jump shot.  Maybe not a pronouced as the difference between Shaq and Kareem but that is what i was getting at.

EastexHawg

LeBron is without question a great player, but he has also had an assortment of wooden Indians trying to guard him in the Boston series.  It will be interesting to hear the explanations if and when the Warriors take the Cavaliers down in the Finals.  My first guess is that Draymond Green will be portrayed as the most magnificent defender in history.

CallMeAl

Quote from: GoPigs69 on May 26, 2017, 12:07:24 pm
Lyndon B Johnson?

Never knew he hooped...

I got him then.
Lyndon Johnson didn't have anything to do with Razorback basketball either. So he has that in common with Lebron James. At least Michael Jordon played against the Hogs once. He lost that game.
Hog since birth.

Hawg414

saw the clip where Barkley was listing his best evers.  had Lebron at 7th.

MJ
Oscar Robertson
Kareem
Wilt
Bill Russell
Kobe
Lebron

he did say if Lebron wins it this year, that would move him up even with Kobe.

GoHogs1091

Quote from: Youngsta71701 on May 25, 2017, 10:45:49 am
I believe Magic was the best all-around player of all time because he could play all 5 positions but not the best PLAYER of all time. And that's the type of player LeBron James is. He's probably the 2nd best all-around player behind Magic because he could probably play center if he wanted to and be pretty good at it. But Jordan is the best PLAYER or all time. JMO though...Carry on...

Maybe we should just categorize it as the best player at each position... ??? I think that's about the fairest you can make it.

PG - Magic Johnson
SG - Michael Jordan
SF - Larry Bird
PF - Tim Duncan
C - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar/Hakeem Olajuwon...This one is a toss up for me.

Here is my picks at each position.

PG:  Oscar Robertson
SG:  George Gervin
SF:   Larry Bird
PF:   Karl Malone
C:     Wilt Chamberlain/Kareem Abdul-Jabbar/Hakeem Olajuwon/Artis Gilmore (could pick any of those 4 Centers)

No Defense could have stopped/slowed down Robertson, Gervin, Bird, and Malone.

Pork Twain

MJ but only by a hair.  These two like comparing either of them to Wilt, are completely different players though and should just be looked at as best in their eras.
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husker71

dont understand the love for Gervin or Gilmore.  No MJ or LBJ or Russell or Duncan or Magic .

CallMeAl

Quote from: husker71 on May 28, 2017, 04:33:05 pm
dont understand the love for Gervin or Gilmore.  No MJ or LBJ or Russell or Duncan or Magic .
I don't understand the love for any of them on this board. None of them are Razorbacks.
Hog since birth.

hog.goblin

Oh good grief, get over it already

CallMeAl

Hog since birth.

PORKULATOR

OH JUST TRASH THIS STUPID THING.

THEY'VE BOTH SHOT MORE FREE THROWS THAN THEY DESERVE AND BEEN PART OF THE NBA 'PRODUCT '.

NEITHER were Hogs.
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Youngsta71701

Quote from: ErieHog on May 26, 2017, 10:52:08 am
LeBron did it in a 120 fewer FGAs.  This is the kind of fake outrage that really hurts the Jordan case.
Different types of players. LeBron is basically a glorified power forward that gets most of his baskets right around the rim. Of course he shoots a higher field goal percentage and shoots more free throws.
"The more things change the more they stay the same"

zebradynasty

I get into this discussion that ends up an argument all the time. Scottie Pippen had the best analysis. MJ and LJ are different players. It would be like comparing Kareem to Allen Iverson. A more accurate comparison for MJ is Kobe and more accurate comparison for LJ is Magic Johnson. MJ and Kobe were offensive predators and solid defensive players too, but they lived to score. Magic and LJ are content to score, rebound or pass whatever it took. LJ is a better version of Magic Johnson. He is not better than MJ nor is he better than Kobe.

311Hog

Quote from: zebradynasty on June 01, 2017, 09:46:29 am
I get into this discussion that ends up an argument all the time. Scottie Pippen had the best analysis. MJ and LJ are different players. It would be like comparing Kareem to Allen Iverson. A more accurate comparison for MJ is Kobe and more accurate comparison for LJ is Magic Johnson. MJ and Kobe were offensive predators and solid defensive players too, but they lived to score. Magic and LJ are content to score, rebound or pass whatever it took. LJ is a better version of Magic Johnson. He is not better than MJ nor is he better than Kobe.

this is why i made the post i made.  I feel if Magic's career hadn't been cut short by HIV that more people would be apt to compare LBJ to Magic as he would be breaking Magic's records now instead of just creaping up on MJ's.

waphill

Quote from: 311Hog on June 01, 2017, 10:10:55 am
this is why i made the post i made.  I feel if Magic's career hadn't been cut short by HIV that more people would be apt to compare LBJ to Magic as he would be breaking Magic's records now instead of just creaping up on MJ's.

You could also say this about MJ. If he hadn't taken his baseball vacation, there's a good chance that the Bulls win that one, too. Would there be any doubt if he had led his team to 7 straight NBA titles?

ErieHog

Quote from: Youngsta71701 on June 01, 2017, 07:53:47 am
Different types of players. LeBron is basically a glorified power forward that gets most of his baskets right around the rim. Of course he shoots a higher field goal percentage and shoots more free throws.

Its already been shown that simply is not true.

He gets far more of his points on the perimeter-  he is not an interior player.    He's hit over twice as many playoff 3s as Jordan did-- on a per game basis, its slightly less than twice as many, but still-  he's definitely a perimeter scorer.    Oh-- and Jordan took a little less than a FTA more a game, through his playoff career.

No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

hog.goblin

Quote from: ErieHog on June 01, 2017, 02:03:59 pm
Oh-- and Jordan took a little less than a FTA more a game, through his playoff career.

And made a signicantly higher percentage of them

ErieHog

Quote from: hog.goblin on June 01, 2017, 08:31:01 pm
And made a signicantly higher percentage of them

Sure.   A very legit knock on LBJ.  He's way too Wilt/Shaq like.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

hog.goblin

Quote from: ErieHog on June 01, 2017, 08:32:29 pm
Sure.   A very legit knock on LBJ.  He's way too Wilt/Shaq like.

Well, I wouldn't go that far.  He's an average FT shooter.  Wilt and Shaq were well below average.

CallMeAl

Still no Razorback basketball discussion in this thread.
Hog since birth.

hog.goblin


EastexHawg

Well that was a severe ass kicking.  Cleveland isn't facing a bunch of cigar store Indians like they did in the entire Eastern Conference, including Boston.

EastexHawg

Did LeBron get his triple double?  I know he got there in points and rebounds.  What about turnovers?

By the way, has anyone ever as consistently cleared out with an arm bar when going to the basket?  In the first half ABC kept showing replays of a LeBron post up and talking about how "that contact has to be called a foul", meaning a foul on the Warriors defender.

Meanwhile, they didn't say a word as LeBron in the slo-mo replay threw not one but two elbows trying to clear out.

EastexHawg

June 02, 2017, 08:34:02 am #247 Last Edit: June 02, 2017, 09:18:25 am by EastexHawg
LeBron played 40 minutes despite being pulled off the floor for the last four minutes or so, along with Irving and Love, once the blowout was complete.  If Cleveland wants to keep him on the floor virtually the entire game I say great.  Golden State needs to do exactly what they did last night, keep going up and down the court and see if he can keep up the pace.

CallMeAl

Hog since birth.

HiggiePiggy

Quote from: Rusty Shackleford on June 02, 2017, 11:05:29 pm
Post in the proper forum and I'll get over it.

Guess we will see random posts from you complaining until the playoffs are done
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