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ballz2thewall

we are thin at most positions. we cannot rotate like a top level team. we also have key injuries that have added to our depth problems.

this usually shows up in the trenches, and it did yesterday on both sides of the ball.

credit must be given to OM because they played a great game.  when we cannot get coverage sacks we won't win.  most say tyler had a bad day.

maybe. but OM's coverage was very good.

we're just to thin right now, and it won't get better next year.
The rest of the frog.

sportswriter41

B.S. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOT coaching ? OM ran the same freaking play 8 times in a row and we made zero adjustments !!!!! Not coaching wow !!!! Just wow !!!

 

sickboy

It's both really. Losing to teams like OM...it's coaching. Losing to teams like Alabama...it's coaching and lack of depth/talent. Some of it is on the players too, but some of it is on the coaching.

Nothing is ever so black and white that a teams problems can be pinpointed to one thing. However, you change the coaches, then you have a chance to change the entire culture of the team.

regi

Quote from: ballz2thewall on October 28, 2012, 01:39:40 pm
we are thin at most positions. we cannot rotate like a top level team. we also have key injuries that have added to our depth problems.

this usually shows up in the trenches, and it did yesterday on both sides of the ball.

credit must be given to OM because they played a great game.  when we cannot get coverage sacks we won't win.  most say tyler had a bad day.

maybe. but OM's coverage was very good.

we're just to thin right now, and it won't get better next year.

Wow...not a clue. Arkansas had more talent than the team they played yesterday and it wasn't really close. We had more total yards and we were faster and more physical. The difference was the sidelines..OleMiss has 1 leader, and everybody is on the same page..we don't and are not. Simple as that.

Steef

The gameplan/reaction time...from the OM game did not resemble how we looked/schemed/reacted vs. Kentucky.

It looked like the ULM game.

Dunno who/what the problem is, but that's completely on the coaching staff. With the exception of Brandon Mitchell, our roster was basically the same one that pummeled Kentucky and Auburn. Shoot, Tevin was BACK for this game, along with Gragg (for a while at least).

Nope. There is something fundamentally wrong with the coaches. And while I'm not a disciple for JLS...this problem goes to the bone.

The ONLY consistent bright spot in the OM game was the defensive line. Those guys got it done.

ricepig

Is it coaching or talent that has our DB's unable to stay within 5 yards of a receiver? How about getting blocked on those 8,  I think only 4, plays im a row? Tyler was throwing into tight coverage, I was that could have been said about OM.

BatesvilleHOG

You can blame paul petrino for losing that game. Haynes and the D did a fantastic job.

Danny J

Quote from: sportswriter41 on October 28, 2012, 01:47:44 pm
B.S. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOT coaching ? OM ran the same freaking play 8 times in a row and we made zero adjustments !!!!! Not coaching wow !!!! Just wow !!!
^^^^^^Fact

We lost because of coaching plain and simple. There are no in game adjustments at all on either side of the ball. The D did adjust at the half but the O did not.

Also....do you believe ULM, Rutgers and Ole miss are more talented than us? Just ridiculous. HDN left Ole Miss in equally as bad shape as he left us.

ricepig

Quote from: BatesvilleHOG on October 28, 2012, 01:55:51 pm
You can blame paul petrino for losing that game. Haynes and the D did a fantastic job.

Oh, I agree, the defense did good enough job to get the win. We should out score the OM's of the world.

Redhogs

Quote from: ballz2thewall on October 28, 2012, 01:39:40 pm
we are thin at most positions. we cannot rotate like a top level team. we also have key injuries that have added to our depth problems.

this usually shows up in the trenches, and it did yesterday on both sides of the ball.

credit must be given to OM because they played a great game.  when we cannot get coverage sacks we won't win.  most say tyler had a bad day.

maybe. but OM's coverage was very good.

we're just to thin right now, and it won't get better next year.
Maybe one of the top 10 dumbest posts ever, and that's saying something with 105 total posts...
Will I live long enough to see us win again? Will any of us?

IronHog

Quote from: ballz2thewall on October 28, 2012, 01:39:40 pm
we are thin at most positions. we cannot rotate like a top level team. we also have key injuries that have added to our depth problems.

this usually shows up in the trenches, and it did yesterday on both sides of the ball.

credit must be given to OM because they played a great game.  when we cannot get coverage sacks we won't win.  most say tyler had a bad day.

maybe. but OM's coverage was very good.

we're just to thin right now, and it won't get better next year.



BS.


Total and utter BS.



Any of the coaching staffs in the 7A West could finish second or third in the SEC west with this team.
Iron sharpens iron, So one man sharpens another.

regi

Another example of the poor coaching, last play of 1st half. They have no timeouts, we are set to defend pass, which is fine, but when you see 3 te's that shift to one side its a run. Call a timeout and change your defense. We took two timeouts to the locker room.

JTHog59

Stupid post. It's the entire staff at fault. We run a hurry up offense that utilizes the whole play clock. And then some!
Go Hogs

 

lookawayquick

Coaches JLS, PH and PP are not ready for prime time.  The need to be coaching in Conference USA.  Worst job of in game adjustments I have seen in a long while.  I was at the game screaming for the coaches to get in the game.  The wide out screen that was run 4 consecutive times was embarrassing.  Happened right in front of me.  It was obvious the D backs had no clue how to line up and defend it.  Maddening.   Don't get me started on PP.  He must think he's playing a video game.  Was it that difficult to see the Hogs could run?  Was it that hard to see the TE was open all day?  The coaches didn't give the kids an opportunity to win.  The new coaching staff can't get here quick enough.

RAMhawg

We lost the game on the first series!!!  We go for it on 4th and 11 from around the 30, make it and move the ball down to the 1.  4th and goal at the ONE (1) and we kick a field goal????????????????   ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!!!!
I turned the TV off then.  JLS is playing not to lose.  GO FOR IT. 

WilsonHog

Certainly it's the coaches....and the players.

This season was almost destined to fail before it began. Strip away the names and step back; see it for what it was. We had a head coach who believed in organization and attention to every detail. We had a head coach who had his hands on every aspect of the program. We had a head coach who had extremely high expectations for everything and everyone associated with the football program.

What was left to fill the void created last April?

Players who believed they didn't need the former head coach and his standards to be successful, and at best a mediocre head coach who wanted and created an atmosphere where players felt comfortable calling him by his first name.

So what we're left with at this point is a 3-5 record, wins over Jacksonville State and the worst two teams in the SEC, and a season that everyone - players, coaches, and fans - can't wait to be over.   

Arkansas Fan

It's both.

When your punt team is letting the other team get closer and closer to blocking your punt, and you don't make adjustments, it's the coaches.

When you can't get the play off in time, it's the coaches.

Hogeration

Quote from: WilsonHog on October 28, 2012, 02:55:37 pm
Certainly it's the coaches....and the players.

This season was almost destined to fail before it began. Strip away the names and step back; see it for what it was. We had a head coach who believed in organization and attention to every detail. We had a head coach who had his hands on every aspect of the program. We had a head coach who had extremely high expectations for everything and everyone associated with the football program.

What was left to fill the void created last April?

Players who believed they didn't need the former head coach and his standards to be successful, and at best a mediocre head coach who wanted and created an atmosphere where players felt comfortable calling him by his first name.

So what we're left with at this point is a 3-5 record, wins over Jacksonville State and the worst two teams in the SEC, and a season that everyone - players, coaches, and fans - can't wait to be over.   
Holy crap a Wilson siting.

31to6

Quote from: BatesvilleHOG on October 28, 2012, 01:55:51 pm
You can blame paul petrino for losing that game. Haynes and the D did a fantastic job.
We had problems in all 3 phases of the game. Poorly coached and executed all the way around.

The offense was off and there were many obvious problems with calling in plays. The only bright spots were Cobi and DJ.

But any game you score 27 points should be winnable.

The D adjusted well at the half and played well... until the game was on the line.

Then they called a soft zone and executed it poorly and let them drive the field in 90 seconds to win the game with a chip-shot field goal.

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Steef

Quote from: 31to6 on October 28, 2012, 03:26:05 pm
We had problems in all 3 phases of the game. Poorly coached and executed all the way around.

The offense was off and there were many obvious problems with calling in plays. The only bright spots were Cobi and DJ.

But any game you score 27 points should be winnable.

The D adjusted well at the half and played well... until the game was on the line.

Then they called a soft zone and executed it poorly and let them drive the field in 90 seconds to win the game with a chip-shot field goal.

Agree.

Playing not to lose almost always loses. And prevent defenses rarely prevent anything.

snoblind

Quote from: WilsonHog on October 28, 2012, 02:55:37 pm
Certainly it's the coaches....and the players.

This season was almost destined to fail before it began. Strip away the names and step back; see it for what it was. We had a head coach who believed in organization and attention to every detail. We had a head coach who had his hands on every aspect of the program. We had a head coach who had extremely high expectations for everything and everyone associated with the football program.

What was left to fill the void created last April?

Players who believed they didn't need the former head coach and his standards to be successful, and at best a mediocre head coach who wanted and created an atmosphere where players felt comfortable calling him by his first name.

So what we're left with at this point is a 3-5 record, wins over Jacksonville State and the worst two teams in the SEC, and a season that everyone - players, coaches, and fans - can't wait to be over.   

He's back...  Good to see ya, Wilson.

Hydroguy87

Quote from: regi on October 28, 2012, 01:54:15 pm
Wow...not a clue. Arkansas had more talent than the team they played yesterday and it wasn't really close. We had more total yards and we were faster and more physical. The difference was the sidelines..OleMiss has 1 leader, and everybody is on the same page..we don't and are not. Simple as that.

i get where both sides of this arguement are coming from. I think it is a combination of coaches and players. Did the coaches throw 2 interceptions? Nope. Neither int was even close. Everyone in stands with us where wondering who in the hek he was throwing to. Knile isnt running like his old self. Coaching you say? Why is DJ having very good games then? I think it is a combination of inexeperienced coaches with no hard nosed HC to answer to, depth, and players not playing to thier ability. How many times did we see our defense struggle last year only for BP to get ticked-off and then they come out for the second half and look like a true SEC defense. We dont have a HC who can, or is, doing that right now....not on defense....and not on offense.

007 License To Squeal

Quote from: ballz2thewall on October 28, 2012, 01:39:40 pm
we are thin at most positions. we cannot rotate like a top level team. we also have key injuries that have added to our depth problems.

this usually shows up in the trenches, and it did yesterday on both sides of the ball.

credit must be given to OM because they played a great game.  when we cannot get coverage sacks we won't win.  most say tyler had a bad day.

maybe. but OM's coverage was very good.

we're just to thin right now, and it won't get better next year.

Not the coaches? Actually, it was the LACK of coaching. Hugh Freeze took JLS and our other idiot coaches to the wood shed yesterday time and time again.
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Hydroguy87

Quote from: steefhog on October 28, 2012, 03:31:02 pm
Agree.

Playing not to lose almost always loses. And prevent defenses rarely prevent anything.

Well, they usually prevent you from winning! I hate prevent defense.

Hawginj

If its not the coaches then it's professor plum in the study with a candle stick! Right? It has to be.

ricepig

Quote from: Hydroguy87 on October 28, 2012, 03:42:27 pm
Well, they usually prevent you from winning! I hate prevent defense.

Well, it takes a very astute eye to decide when we are in prevent or not, truthfully, I've thought our secondary has been in prevent all season.

WILL CLINTON

Quote from: BatesvilleHOG on October 28, 2012, 01:55:51 pm
You can blame paul petrino for losing that game. Haynes and the D did a fantastic job.

Except on the last drive of the game, and the drive where they ran the same play 6 times in a row, and the last drive of the first half, and....etc

Not that the offensive side of the ball did any better, but the defense did NOT do it's job when it mattered. I mean we had 3-5 sacks/TFL on the 2 drives previous to the game winning FG drive, and then on the final drive, we couldn't stop granny in a walker.
There is no sacred ground for the conquered.

Steef

Quote from: ricepig on October 28, 2012, 03:48:14 pm
Well, it takes a very astute eye to decide when we are in prevent or not, truthfully, I've thought our secondary has been in prevent all season.

Gave you a plus one. Not sure if this is funny or sad, but it sure is true.

Hawgphish

its not the coaches......so you want to keep JL and this staff?........didn't think so.

Captain Hogthrob

It may not  ONLY be the coaches. But the meltdown after the illegal formation penalty. Including our head coach throwing a fit over a correct call until he had to call time out because they couldn't get the play off in time. Then all the mistakes that followed were absolutely the coaches fault. He acted like it was the end of the world and the team picked up on it. This team and staff has a tendency to completely lose discipline when they face adversity. That is poor coaching pure and simple. Much like PP screaming in the face of his freshman QB all during the Alabama game .You don't rip young players thrown in over their head, you calm them down and coach them up. That said this is all we have right now and it will surely be corrected when we hire a quality SEC caliber head coach and staff.
Finish each day and be done with it. You have done what you could. Some blunders and absurdities no doubt crept in; forget them as soon as you can. Tomorrow is a new day; begin it well and serenely and with too high a spirit to be encumbered with your old nonsense.
-- Ralph Waldo Emerson

Wildhog


Quote from: sportswriter41 on October 28, 2012, 01:47:44 pm
B.S. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOT coaching ? OM ran the same freaking play 8 times in a row and we made zero adjustments !!!!! Not coaching wow !!!! Just wow !!!

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ckhawgu

Quote from: WILL CLINTON on October 28, 2012, 03:55:15 pm
Except on the last drive of the game, and the drive where they ran the same play 6 times in a row, and the last drive of the first half, and....etc

Not that the offensive side of the ball did any better, but the defense did NOT do it's job when it mattered. I mean we had 3-5 sacks/TFL on the 2 drives previous to the game winning FG drive, and then on the final drive, we couldn't stop granny in a walker.

That's right! OM scored 21 points in the 2nd quarter when the figured out all they had to do was pass and catch. They got away from that a bit in the 2nd half but as soon as they needed to move down the field, pass and catch time again! Our D still does not understand where the down and distance markers are at...15yd cushions when all the need is 7yds for a first down on 3rd and long just does not cut it... and that is what they have done consistently over and over all year long! Drives me crazy to see these WRs turn around and catch the ball uncontested for a 1st down or more!!!

RockChalkJayhawk

It's certainly been debated if the wins and crispness on display vs Auburn and UK were the product of poor competition, but without question the same team didn't show up vs Ole Miss.

Makes you wonder just what the heck went on during the "off-week".  Obviously the staff took the extra time to prepare the team. *cough*

In hindsight, the off-week could not have come at a worse time as the Ole Miss game was winnable to say the least.

RedRock

You don't have the ball at the 45 of your opponent and punt from the 24.  That one series in the 4th summed up this coaching staff.  Confused, unorganized, and portraying a lack of discipline....this staff is exactly that to me.  If you think yesterday was bad wait until SC, LSU and MSU.  Coaches are searching for new jobs and are checking out.  We are 3-5 and will probably end the season at 4-8.

Smokehouse

Quote from: WilsonHog on October 28, 2012, 02:55:37 pm
Certainly it's the coaches....and the players.

This season was almost destined to fail before it began. Strip away the names and step back; see it for what it was. We had a head coach who believed in organization and attention to every detail. We had a head coach who had his hands on every aspect of the program. We had a head coach who had extremely high expectations for everything and everyone associated with the football program.

What was left to fill the void created last April?

Players who believed they didn't need the former head coach and his standards to be successful, and at best a mediocre head coach who wanted and created an atmosphere where players felt comfortable calling him by his first name.

So what we're left with at this point is a 3-5 record, wins over Jacksonville State and the worst two teams in the SEC, and a season that everyone - players, coaches, and fans - can't wait to be over.   

If only he had kept his hands off just one thing in the program...
QuoteSometimes a warrior just has to lay down on the ground there for a minute and just have a good bleed. Just bleed.

Words of wisdom from John Pelphrey.

GTOWNHOG

Quote from: Smokehouse on October 28, 2012, 05:18:38 pm
If only he had kept his hands off just one thing in the program...

YEP.
Good luck to ALL of our Razorback teams!!

roothawg

There are 2 coaches on this team that are nothing but flat out bad, jls and pp. If you ever wondered why Bobby didn't let pp call plays you don't have to wonder any more. jls, well all has been said about his coaching.

ballz2thewall

so you guys really think we have SEC quality and depth in the trenches?

seriously?
The rest of the frog.

hehawg

Quote from: ballz2thewall on October 28, 2012, 01:39:40 pm
we are thin at most positions. we cannot rotate like a top level team. we also have key injuries that have added to our depth problems.

this usually shows up in the trenches, and it did yesterday on both sides of the ball.

credit must be given to OM because they played a great game.  when we cannot get coverage sacks we won't win.  most say tyler had a bad day.

maybe. but OM's coverage was very good.

we're just to thin right now, and it won't get better next year.

  You sir really have no idea. As previously mentioned OM ran the SAME play over and over. There were no changes made to our defense much less a dang time out called. Heck my wife who knows nothing about football could see that! This fiasco is nothing short of the blind leading the blind...
#LEFTLANE
#HAMMERDOWN!

ballz2thewall

Quote from: hehawg on October 28, 2012, 06:13:29 pm
  You sir really have no idea. As previously mentioned OM ran the SAME play over and over. There were no changes made to our defense much less a dang time out called. Heck my wife who knows nothing about football could see that! This fiasco is nothing short of the blind leading the blind...

you're just not getting it.  we don't have the staff on the field to adjust.
The rest of the frog.

hehawg

Quote from: ballz2thewall on October 28, 2012, 06:15:55 pm
you're just not getting it.  we don't have the staff on the field to adjust.

Your kidding right? There were 3 wideouts with 2 being covered (8-9 yards off the ball) leaving 1 unaccounted for 8-9 plays in a row! Common sense says change defense to account for them how hard is that to understand? Coaching is to blame nothing else
#LEFTLANE
#HAMMERDOWN!

NaturalStateReb

Quote from: steefhog on October 28, 2012, 01:54:40 pm
The gameplan/reaction time...from the OM game did not resemble how we looked/schemed/reacted vs. Kentucky.

It looked like the ULM game.

Dunno who/what the problem is, but that's completely on the coaching staff. With the exception of Brandon Mitchell, our roster was basically the same one that pummeled Kentucky and Auburn. Shoot, Tevin was BACK for this game, along with Gragg (for a while at least).

Nope. There is something fundamentally wrong with the coaches. And while I'm not a disciple for JLS...this problem goes to the bone.

The ONLY consistent bright spot in the OM game was the defensive line. Those guys got it done.

Part of the reason for that is because Ole Miss is better than Kentucky.
"It's a trap!"--Houston Nutt and Admiral Ackbar, although Ackbar never called that play or ate that frito pie.

Pig In The City

Quote from: JTHog59 on October 28, 2012, 02:10:29 pm
Stupid post. It's the entire staff at fault. We run a hurry up offense that utilizes the whole play clock. And then some!
Go Hogs

I'm with you on this one.  I scratch my head and wonder what they think is being accomplished. 

HoustonwehaveaProblem

Quote from: lookawayquick on October 28, 2012, 02:33:57 pm
Coaches JLS, PH and PP are not ready for prime time.  The need to be coaching in Conference USA.  Worst job of in game adjustments I have seen in a long while.  I was at the game screaming for the coaches to get in the game.  The wide out screen that was run 4 consecutive times was embarrassing.  Happened right in front of me.  It was obvious the D backs had no clue how to line up and defend it.  Maddening.   Don't get me started on PP.  He must think he's playing a video game.  Was it that difficult to see the Hogs could run?  Was it that hard to see the TE was open all day?  The coaches didn't give the kids an opportunity to win.  The new coaching staff can't get here quick enough.

All three of them are reject big 10 coaches, why should we expect them to succeed in the SEC?

Newhopehog

I said it before and I'll say it again our dc is from the little ten and simply doesn't know how to D a spread offense.....

12247

This season boils down to circumstances.  Losing the strict HC at a bad time.  Having an AD who hired a replacement who he either knew or should have known wasn't right for the situation, changing from strict to loose.  Falling for the BS that these assistants could bring us home in front and all the HC had to do was drive the bus.

The Kids believed the hype, the total BS.  There wasn't one player mentally and physically ready to start the season.  The little things that win weren't stressed.  There was never a Plan B.  These coaches fell for the BS even further than the players did.  They actually thought they were ready.  That shows what all these Guys knew about leadership.  The coaching is 110 percent what is wrong here and the management above the coaches is 110 percent wrong here.  We can make excuses or even offer reasons that are somewhat accurate but the damn truth is based on wins and losses the AD and all the coaches failed to the fullest. 

Arkansas had a schedule that was about as favorable as you get in the SEC.  We had decent play makers with folks in the background that it was felt could learn quick such as the WRs.  We were nestled in for a 9 or 10 win regular season with the possibility of winning 11.  Foolish decisions wrecked what could have been a delightful season. 

It is my belief the some of the injuries we incurred this season came from not being mentally or physically ready to play the game.  I mean these coaches couldn't even get the Guys in condition.  Why would anyone who cannot see this even attempt to post on here????

code red

Quote from: ballz2thewall on October 28, 2012, 01:39:40 pm
we are thin at most positions. we cannot rotate like a top level team. we also have key injuries that have added to our depth problems.

this usually shows up in the trenches, and it did yesterday on both sides of the ball.

credit must be given to OM because they played a great game.  when we cannot get coverage sacks we won't win.  most say tyler had a bad day.

maybe. but OM's coverage was very good.

we're just to thin right now, and it won't get better next year.
Really????  Its all coaching. Sorry I disagree.
"If what you did yesterday seems big, you haven't done anything today."  Dr. Lou

code red

Quote from: Newhopehog on October 28, 2012, 08:06:44 pm
I said it before and I'll say it again our dc is from the little ten and simply doesn't know how to D a spread offense.....
Ole miss only had one legitimate drive....we gave them everything else.  You can't have turnovers and 3 grounding calls and expect to win.
"If what you did yesterday seems big, you haven't done anything today."  Dr. Lou