Case for Venables over Norvell (Defensive Guru over Offensive Guru)

[Batesville Hogfan]

Venables has been around a lot of good offensive coaches at OU and Clemson.  He'll have no problem finding an "Offensive Guru" to handle the offense.  He or one of his underlings will coordinate the defense and we'll have the potential for both a good O and D.  With Norvell, we'll have a good offense but just like programs like Texas Tech or West Virginia, we'll have 500 yards total offense per game and win 7 games a year.

[root_hawg]

Plus Venable has some experience recruiting on large program scale

[checkraiser88]

I think in order to have a good defense in the SEC you need the right athletes...Offense that's a different story, with the right scheme we could kill teams with little talent

[Großer Kriegschwein]

Venables has been around a lot of good offensive coaches at OU and Clemson.  He'll have no problem finding an "Offensive Guru" to handle the offense.  He or one of his underlings will coordinate the defense and we'll have the potential for both a good O and D.  With Norvell, we'll have a good offense but just like programs like Texas Tech or West Virginia, we'll have 500 yards total offense per game and win 7 games a year.

Won't get any argument from me. I think Venables would be a fine coach. Just wonder if he has interest in the job.

[rbb1991]

Won't get any argument from me. I think Venables would be a fine coach. Just wonder if he has interest in the job.

That is my concern. Is he holding out for the Clemson job when Dabo goes to Alabama?

[Großer Kriegschwein]

That is my concern. Is he holding out for the Clemson job when Dabo goes to Alabama?

Lol.

No, Clemson will go out and hire another recruiter.

That's what they did with Dabo. He got the job because Terry Don knew that Xs & Os will only get you so far without the talent to make unbelievable plays.

Dabo was just the WR coach, but one of the best recruiters in the country, probably the best in that region. They gave him the resources to surround himself with good recruiters and when he scored Venables, it all came together.

Tuberville was right. Hire a recruiter and fill the staff with recruiters. The team with the better players almost always wins.

[Pork Twain]

Venables has been around a lot of good offensive coaches at OU and Clemson.  He'll have no problem finding an "Offensive Guru" to handle the offense.  He or one of his underlings will coordinate the defense and we'll have the potential for both a good O and D.  With Norvell, we'll have a good offense but just like programs like Texas Tech or West Virginia, we'll have 500 yards total offense per game and win 7 games a year.

Offensive guru in a conference that plays absolutely no defense vs a defensive guru that has done so against the best in the nation

[Ragnar Hogbrok]

One has to score points to win in today's game.

[ChicoHog]

Lol.

No, Clemson will go out and hire another recruiter.

That's what they did with Dabo. He got the job because Terry Don knew that Xs & Os will only get you so far without the talent to make unbelievable plays.

Dabo was just the WR coach, but one of the best recruiters in the country, probably the best in that region. They gave him the resources to surround himself with good recruiters and when he scored Venables, it all came together.

Tuberville was right. Hire a recruiter and fill the staff with recruiters. The team with the better players almost always wins.

Exactly.   Clemson was a good program but Swinney brought them to the next level not because he is a great scheme guy  but because he is a great recruiter and hired more great recruiters including Venables. 

[Torqued pork]

One has to score points to win in today's game.

And without some semblance of a defense you can score 40 points or more and still lose. I'm freakin sick of a pillowy soft defense.

[PigInTheHole]

anybody else watch the OU OSU game this year?

[Ragnar Hogbrok]

And without some semblance of a defense you can score 40 points or more and still lose.

Very true. That's why I hope it's Norvell Ann's he gets an awesome DC.

[Pig in the Pokey]

May I point out that one hasnt even ever been a head coach?


I like him though. At this point, we cant go wrong really. Norvell, Kiffin, Gus, Venables, Leach. ALL of these names are better than Nutt or Bielema or even Petrino. We gonna be fine.

[HogCzar1]

Venables has been around a lot of good offensive coaches at OU and Clemson.  He'll have no problem finding an "Offensive Guru" to handle the offense.  He or one of his underlings will coordinate the defense and we'll have the potential for both a good O and D.  With Norvell, we'll have a good offense but just like programs like Texas Tech or West Virginia, we'll have 500 yards total offense per game and win 7 games a year.

And you think Venables can win 10 a year here?

[Großer Kriegschwein]

Exactly.   Clemson was a good program but Swinney brought them to the next level not because he is a great scheme guy  but because he is a great recruiter and hired more great recruiters including Venables.

The best possible scenario, whether some of you believe it or not would probably be Tim Horton as AD and Gus Malzahn, who has brought in classes better than anything we've had in recent memory.

Their reputation as recruiters and winners is better than anything we've had in years.

[Hawg414]

If Venables can run the defense and hire an effective OC to run the offense, why can't Norvell run the offense and hire an effective DC to run the defense?

[Pork Twain]

If Venables can run the defense and hire an effective OC to run the offense, why can't Norvell run the offense and hire an effective DC to run the defense?

Why hasn't he already done so?

[Hawg414]

Why hasn't he already done so?

i think its fair to assume he can attract a bit better coaching talent at UA than he can at memphis.  kevin steele, john chavis, brent venables, etc... none of those caliber guys are going to join him at memphis.

[goodguytex]

Whoever we hire as HC, if I'm looking for a new DC, I'm calling John chavis first. Maybe even sweeten the deal with Chavis by bringing back the defensive coach he worked with at Tennessee that was at Arkansas during the last 2 years of Petrino.

[Pork Twain]

i think its fair to assume he can attract a bit better coaching talent at UA than he can at memphis.  kevin steele, john chavis, brent venables, etc... none of those caliber guys are going to join him at memphis.

But why is he still unable to even field a respectable defense at Memphis.  You would think that in a conference not known for defense, actually having one would really set you apart.

[Torqued pork]

i think its fair to assume he can attract a bit better coaching talent at UA than he can at memphis.  kevin steele, john chavis, brent venables, etc... none of those caliber guys are going to join him at memphis.

Or he he could bring most of his Memphis staff which could be overmatched and overwhelmed in the SEC. It's a real possibility regardless of how we try to spin it.

[Pork Twain]

Or he he could bring most of his Memphis staff which could be overmatched and overwhelmed in the SEC. It's a real possibility regardless of how we try to spin it.

I think that is what kinda concerns me.  I am having MSM flashbacks

[lilRockNDubb]

Plenty of SEC caliber DC's available. I can think of 2 in Florida.. 1 in Texas..

[Inhogswetrust]

One has to score points to win in today's game.

One needs to stop the other team from scoring to win in todays game.

[SquidBilly]

But why is he still unable to even field a respectable defense at Memphis.  You would think that in a conference not known for defense, actually having one would really set you apart.

Because he doesn't need to.  His defense at Memphis is designed around getting takeaways to provide his offense more posessions.  And it works.  You don't get to 11-1 by accident.

[HF#1]

Venables is an elite recruiter.

[HogCzar1]

But why is he still unable to even field a respectable defense at Memphis.  You would think that in a conference not known for defense, actually having one would really set you apart.

Why isn't fielding a top 20 team at Memphis known as something that sets him apart?

[#1 STUNNA]

Venables is an elite recruiter.

I wonder if its difficult recruiting to Clemson or Oklahoma?