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Re: Nolan Richardson Court Proposal
« Reply #100 on: February 13, 2018, 07:34:52 am »

Not to dismiss what he has done, but he is not the only one who did wrong things in that instance. Now that Frank is dead and gone, its time to give Nolan the court and let the wound heal for good. Frank was a racist, who said and did racist things to Nolan, whether you like it or not, and didn't change until later on after he retired. That is why the entire department was Gutted, because it was filled with rotten racists. Nolan was wrong to put the school on blast publically like he did, and he was fired. But his reasons for doing so, there was nothing wrong with that. He gave us our own National championship, we can give the court his name. Broyles got the Broyles Center for his many accomplishments, despite the fact that his racist diatribe as both a coach and administrator would have gotten him canned in todays world. So since he can get that despite what he has done, its fair that our other most famous and accomplished coach should get a court named after him despite what he did.  Just my non biased opinion on the matter.

You talk about Frank being a racist. You wouldn't walk on a dead man's  grave would you? Frank also gave us a national championship and spent the rest of his life working for the unniversity he loved. He was respected nationally and labored tirelessly for the school he loved. You trample on his name with nothing to back up your charges ,and Frank was the first AD to hire a black basketball coach in the SWC. Your diatribe on Frank seems convoluted to me.

The Bible in Proverbs talks about the power of the tongue. You can say something in fifteen seconds that ruins a relationship that took years to build. Nolan is my favorite basketball coach of all time, but he used his position as a forum to make statements that diishonored the school. It broke my heart when he did this. I knew his time was short. I try to give people the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps he was frustrated ,or  he was feeling the heat to feed the monster. I have always felt that if you couldn't work for someone and not say good things, you should quit rather than bad mouth him or her. I don't know if Nolan
regrets what he did ,but it is a moot point now. I just know that I have forgiven Nolan a long, long time ago. If you don't forgive people, you allow them to control you forever. No thank you. I have more positive things to do with my mind. Also, it puts the university in a bad light if we don't honor Nolan. What image do you want projected. Do we want to be known as a school that shows love and forgiveness or a school that sits around and gloats over having won a lawsuit. This can be an act that shines a bright light on Nolan for his well deserved contributions as a basketball coach or an act that sheds a dark light on our school and state for perpetuating bad feelings for an act I wish had never happened. Take your pick.
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Re: Nolan Richardson Court Proposal
« Reply #101 on: February 13, 2018, 07:37:57 am »

Ok man, i will say this slowly since you don't seem to understand. HE. WAS. FIRED. FOR. CAUSE. The cause being, he made an insinuating, derogatory remark against his employer to the press. In 99%(if not 100%) of cases, a person making such remarks would be fired for slandering his employer. Just the way it is. You are free to say what you want, but you are not free from the consequences.

That's not quite how it went down. UA stance was Nolan said he wanted to be fired during a news conference. Nolan said that not what he meant. UA fired him anyway. The racial discrimination game up during the trial. Nolan did bring up several issues of racial disparity. UA however had enough reasons and proof that Nolan's firing was not racially motivated and won. However, there was NO doubt some incidents DID happen that were racially charged and initiated by members of the athletic department. Nolan's big mistake was that news conference had he handled that better he probably would not have sued and if he did he would have had a better chance of winning. The narrative that this was just some frivolous lawsuit is just not true.
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Re: Nolan Richardson Court Proposal
« Reply #102 on: February 13, 2018, 07:44:29 am »

They are two faced.  They all wanted Bobby retained despite him lying and hiring his mistress but Nolan speaks out of line and they wanted him fired and don't want to honor him.

Any head coach that is stupid enough to get on TV and publicly DARE his bosses to fire him deserves to be fired. I would say the same thing if BP had done that and I believe Nolan regrets doing that.
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Re: Nolan Richardson Court Proposal
« Reply #103 on: February 13, 2018, 07:51:01 am »

sorry, I made a double post
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Re: Nolan Richardson Court Proposal
« Reply #104 on: February 13, 2018, 07:54:12 am »

You wan't to curl up and cry because you can't refute my points. stroke your ego on your own.
Not really. I've lived across the us. mostly all i got were jokes about wearing shoes and "this one has all his teeth guys" stuff. never anything about racism. That doesn't matter though.

My take
Nolan made derogatory comments about the university, thus violating his contract. that was all Frank needed to fire his ass, and he did. Now as i've eluded to in this thread, Nolan was probably speaking the truth about Frank and the athletic department. But it doesn't matter now, let bygones be bygones. Frank is gone now and Nolan is an old ass man. Frank got the broyles center, give Nolan the court. Regardless of their personal drama and mistakes, they both accomplished a great deal at the university, and as such deserve to be recognized. End of discussion in my opinion.

For the record, Frank didn't fire Nolan. John White did that. John White had taken control of the men's basketball program away from Frank several years before Nolan was fired.
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Re: Nolan Richardson Court Proposal
« Reply #105 on: February 13, 2018, 07:57:13 am »

Long overdue!
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Re: Nolan Richardson Court Proposal
« Reply #106 on: February 13, 2018, 07:59:04 am »

Given the way he left, the things he said, and the lawsuit - no thanks.

The only thing is that he didn't say more.  We need more people like Nolan to speak out about injustice.  Especially when you are the person that it's happening to.
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Re: Nolan Richardson Court Proposal
« Reply #107 on: February 13, 2018, 08:06:24 am »

You talk about Frank being a racist. You wouldn't walk on a dead man's  grave would you? Frank also gave us a national championship and spent the rest of his life working for the unniversity he loved. He was respected nationally and labored tirelessly for the school he loved. You trample on his name with nothing to back up your charges ,and Frank was the first AD to hire a black basketball coach in the SWC. Your diatribe on Frank seems convoluted to me.

The Bible in Proverbs talks about the power of the tongue. You can say something in fifteen seconds that ruins a relationship that took years to build. Nolan is my favorite basketball coach of all time, but he used his position as a forum to make statements that diishonored the school. It broke my heart when he did this. I knew his time was short. I try to give people the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps he was frustrated ,or  he was feeling the heat to feed the monster. I have always felt that if you couldn't work for someone and not say good things, you should quit rather than bad mouth him or her. I don't know if Nolan
regrets what he did ,but it is a moot point now. I just know that I have forgiven Nolan a long, long time ago. If you don't forgive people, you allow them to control you forever. No thank you. I have more positive things to do with my mind. Also, it puts the university in a bad light if we don't honor Nolan. What image do you want projected. Do we want to be known as a school that shows love and forgiveness or a school that sits around and gloats over having won a lawsuit. This can be an act that shines a bright light on Nolan for his well deserved contributions as a basketball coach or an act that sheds a dark light on our school and state for perpetuating bad feelings for an act I wish had never happened. Take your pick.

You really think Frank wasn't a racist?  Now that's funny.  Guess you missed Frank admission during the trial huh?
I also don't think Nolan need your forgiveness.  Why  don't you spread some of that to Broyles.
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Re: Nolan Richardson Court Proposal
« Reply #108 on: February 13, 2018, 08:20:45 am »

We all have to be accountable for our actions or inactions. You really seem to want to stir up some stuff. You might want to check that out. A lot of people are wound too tight these days. I would think it would be hard on your blood pressure.
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Re: Nolan Richardson Court Proposal
« Reply #109 on: February 13, 2018, 08:26:19 am »

Any head coach that is stupid enough to get on TV and publicly DARE his bosses to fire him deserves to be fired. I would say the same thing if BP had done that and I believe Nolan regrets doing that.

That wasn't the only embarrassing incident Nolan had. He didn't handle media criticism of his teams losses the last few years and was lashing out often.
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Re: Nolan Richardson Court Proposal
« Reply #110 on: February 13, 2018, 08:26:22 am »

WHO CARES WHAT FRANK OR NOLAN DID OR DIDN'T DO!

You win a Natty in a big 3 sport, or a whole bunch of Natty's in another sport (Coach McDonnell) you get your name on a venue.

DVH wins one this year in baseball and it will be Dave Van Horn field at Baum Stadium so fast your head will spin. 

You want to penalize Nolan for the way he left and the lawsuit, I'd say over a decade without putting his name on the court is time served.

It's time...put his freakin name on the Court!!!
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Re: Nolan Richardson Court Proposal
« Reply #111 on: February 13, 2018, 08:27:07 am »

  Didn't the relationship between Frank and Nolan got a lot better? As I recall, Frank was at the ceremony when Nolan was induced into the Basketball Hall of Fame. Sounded like their relationship  was a lot better   
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« Reply #112 on: February 13, 2018, 08:29:37 am »

He earned the right to say whatever he wanted to. Not that what he said was all that bad. Nolan Richardson is a damn good man.

IMO he has a point with the lawsuit. Think of all the stupid stuff Nutt said over the years. He left for a rival school and got millions in bonuses. Nolan had a slip of the tongue in postgame anger and got fired. Compare their careers. Thereís no comparison.

I always thought the universityís response that Nolanís comments heavily damaged the program were bull ****. JLS said much more damaging stuff. A lot of double standards up there.

A lot of stupid in this post.

NO ONE, no matter how many championships they won, deserve to be an arse and make FALSE allegations about racism. It is like this witch hunt with the "Me Too" movement, just to get attention in a lot of cases.

All of that being said, he has been punished enough, go ahead and bury the hatchet and name the court after him. But take him aside and tell him that any more racist allegations (especially if Anderson gets fired), and we will paint over his name. 
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« Reply #113 on: February 13, 2018, 08:31:00 am »

Nolan deserves to have the court named after him.  There were no innocent parties in his situation and suing the university is fine by me.  If you feel you were wronged and the entity that wronged you is far more powerful than you, Court is the appropriate place to go.  He has done nothing since that time to harm the university.  Iím sorry if some of you think standing up for yourself is a bad thing but itís all long in the past and time to give the court at Bud Walton (that would not exist (at least at the size it is) if it were not for him) his name. 
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« Reply #114 on: February 13, 2018, 08:31:36 am »

  Didn't the relationship between Frank and Nolan got a lot better? As I recall, Frank was at the ceremony when Nolan was induced into the Basketball Hall of Fame. Sounded like their relationship  was a lot better   
Nolan even thanked Frank in his speech if I remember correctly.
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« Reply #115 on: February 13, 2018, 08:35:00 am »

Nolan even thanked Frank in his speech if I remember correctly.

Yes.  Both men realized what had gone wrong, made up and things were better between them.
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Re: Nolan Richardson Court Proposal
« Reply #116 on: February 13, 2018, 08:35:36 am »

Are we gonna have the same discussion every 2 years about this?

My vote is still no and always will be.

Oh how soon some forget...
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« Reply #117 on: February 13, 2018, 08:43:06 am »

Nolan even thanked Frank in his speech if I remember correctly.

Yep, Nolan and Frank buried the hatchet after Frank retired. What some don't understand is Nolan's animosity during his tenure was more toward John White than it was toward Frank.
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« Reply #118 on: February 13, 2018, 08:43:30 am »

Yes.  Both men realized what had gone wrong, made up and things were better between them.

Frank probably didn't realize where he was.....he thought they said he was invited to go watch an event about bowlin'...
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« Reply #119 on: February 13, 2018, 08:46:01 am »

I grew up in a small all white town and Nolan was right.  Doesn't make him right in saying it.

That being said, if you do this, you'll get MAJOR POSITIVE national media attention on a basketball program that hasn't had that since the 90s. Because ESPN loves this stuff right now.

Plus, the dude is a legend and deserves it. The old white men need to chill.
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« Reply #120 on: February 13, 2018, 08:49:49 am »

Other than Tennessee, what other SEC arenas have a court named after a coach?
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« Reply #121 on: February 13, 2018, 08:49:59 am »

I grew up in a small all white town and Nolan was right.  Doesn't make him right in saying it.

That being said, if you do this, you'll get MAJOR POSITIVE national media attention on a basketball program that hasn't had that since the 90s. Because ESPN loves this stuff right now.

Plus, the dude is a legend and deserves it. The old white men need to chill.

You're post is great but the last line was unnecessary. No need to ruin a good post by ending it with a racially charged comment.
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« Reply #122 on: February 13, 2018, 08:51:14 am »

I grew up in a small all white town and Nolan was right.  Doesn't make him right in saying it.

That being said, if you do this, you'll get MAJOR POSITIVE national media attention on a basketball program that hasn't had that since the 90s. Because ESPN loves this stuff right now.

Plus, the dude is a legend and deserves it. The old white men need to chill.

Flip everything you said and the old black men would be marching in the streets.

Quit stirring the pot.
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« Reply #123 on: February 13, 2018, 08:52:45 am »

Many of them will stay and become donors and season ticket holders.  They are the future suite holders and club members.  They, with many other alumni, will help support the athletic program.  The student vote is a sign of changing opinion.  I, for one, am glad to see the change.
Not true at all. Many of them will leave before they graduate, and many will not graduate from anywhere. Very few if any, will ever become future suite holders or club members. That's the same crap line that you hear about the "dreamers" and the DACA crowd. They want to portray ALL of them as great additions to the country, but the fact is, most of them just want all the free stuff at the expense of the American tax payers.
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« Reply #124 on: February 13, 2018, 08:53:13 am »

Other than Tennessee, what other SEC arenas have a court named after a coach?

Missouri
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« Reply #125 on: February 13, 2018, 08:54:35 am »

Other than Tennessee, what other SEC arenas have a court named after a coach?

Well, there's this little ole place called Rupp arena......
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« Reply #126 on: February 13, 2018, 08:55:33 am »

Other than Tennessee, what other SEC arenas have a court named after a coach?
Rupp has the whole arena named after him.  FineAsSwine gets the worm.
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« Reply #127 on: February 13, 2018, 08:56:19 am »

Not true at all. Many of them will leave before they graduate, and many will not graduate from anywhere. Very few if any, will ever become future suite holders or club members. That's the same crap line that you hear about the "dreamers" and the DACA crowd. They want to portray ALL of them as great additions to the country, but the fact is, most of them just want all the free stuff at the expense of the American tax payers.
Jesus Christ...
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« Reply #128 on: February 13, 2018, 09:01:11 am »

Not true at all. Many of them will leave before they graduate, and many will not graduate from anywhere. Very few if any, will ever become future suite holders or club members. That's the same crap line that you hear about the "dreamers" and the DACA crowd. They want to portray ALL of them as great additions to the country, but the fact is, most of them just want all the free stuff at the expense of the American tax payers.
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« Reply #129 on: February 13, 2018, 09:02:39 am »

Rupp has the whole arena named after him.  FineAsSwine gets the worm.

Yep, Kentucky is the only SEC University that plays all of it's home men's basketball games in an off campus Arena that is not owned by the University.
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« Reply #130 on: February 13, 2018, 09:05:30 am »

Rupp has the whole arena named after him.  FineAsSwine gets the worm.

Well, I thought it was a worm. Turned out to be a nasty caterpillar. Now I need a cup of coffee to get the bitter taste out of my mouth. Haha.
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« Reply #131 on: February 13, 2018, 09:08:05 am »


Using monkeys in this discussion, think about that.
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« Reply #132 on: February 13, 2018, 09:12:14 am »

Using monkeys in this discussion, think about that.
Should I have provided a link ???
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« Reply #133 on: February 13, 2018, 09:16:29 am »

Should I have provided a link ???
You have provided the "link" that most people recognize.
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« Reply #134 on: February 13, 2018, 09:22:39 am »

You have provided the "link" that most people recognize.

I'm not seeing the connection, could you explain? Maybe this image is some sort of Rorscharch test to see if someone might be a racist.
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« Reply #135 on: February 13, 2018, 09:22:55 am »

You have provided the "link" that most people recognize.

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« Reply #136 on: February 13, 2018, 09:23:04 am »

Rupp has the whole arena named after him.  FineAsSwine gets the worm.

Nah, their court is named cawoods court.
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« Reply #137 on: February 13, 2018, 09:23:08 am »

Flip everything you said and the old black men would be marching in the streets.

Quit stirring the pot.

I've been hearing the same argument from the same crowd for years. Not trying to stir the pot.

But if a group of entitled millennials can recognize a legend they've only seen in grainy youtube videos and embrace it, so can the rest of us. Call them a lazy worthless generation, but the one thing they are NOT is racially divided in the least.

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« Reply #138 on: February 13, 2018, 09:24:36 am »

Former Arkansas men's basketball head coach Nolan Richardson joined basketball's most exclusive club on Friday night during the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame 2014 Enshrinement Ceremony, presented by Nike, held at Springfield Symphony Hall.

Already a member of the National Collegiate Basketball Hall of Fame, Richardson became the first Razorback to enter the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame and was introduced by Hall of Fame coach John Thompson ('99) & player Nate Archibald ('91).

The only coach to win a Division I National Championship (Arkansas), an NIT Championship (Tulsa) and a Junior College National Championship (Western Texas), Richardson compiled a 390-170 record over his 17 seasons at Arkansas. Over those 17 seasons, the Razorbacks advanced to the NCAA Tournament 13 times, highlighted by six Sweet Sixteen appearances, four Elite Eights and three Final Fours.

It totally amazes me that this is even a debate. The day he walked back in the arena and started supporting the Razorbacks again the animosity should have ceased. He has never been anything other than kind and endearing to myself or any other Razorback fan that I know of that encounters him. He had a problem with the administration that could have easily been resolved if they weren't just as hard headed as Nolan. Nolan had earned tenure and should have been supported and protected more by the administration when things hit a valley. Every time there was a bump in the road the same BS started coming out, he can't coach, they play streetball, when the fact was the portion of the fanbase that had the influence and power (other than Bud Walton) never thought Nolan was as good of a coach as Eddie. And that always came back around.

I think it is quite obvious there will never be another coach at Arkansas in either of the 2 big sports that will come close to mirroring his success. I can guarantee you one thing.........Bud Walton paid for a large portion of that arena and he would damn sure want Nolan's name on that court.
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Re: Nolan Richardson Court Proposal
« Reply #139 on: February 13, 2018, 09:24:53 am »

Well, there's this little ole place called Rupp arena......
Nope. It's not. Their court is not named after a coach.
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« Reply #141 on: February 13, 2018, 09:27:33 am »

Nope. It's not. Their court is not named after a coach.

This was adequately addressed about 10 posts ago. Keep up big fella.  ;)
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« Reply #142 on: February 13, 2018, 09:34:14 am »

Yep, Nolan and Frank buried the hatchet after Frank retired. What some don't understand is Nolan's animosity during his tenure was more toward John White than it was toward Frank.

Who the heck told you that?! Nolan was not the "angry black man" his anger was very focused and Frank was dead center. If you read the transcripts from the trial it was obvious that there was no love loss between the two men and that started way before the lawsuit.
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« Reply #143 on: February 13, 2018, 09:39:16 am »

I've been hearing the same argument from the same crowd for years. Not trying to stir the pot.

But if a group of entitled millennials can recognize a legend they've only seen in grainy youtube videos and embrace it, so can the rest of us. Call them a lazy worthless generation, but the one thing they are NOT is racially divided in the least.
Well yeah except all of them were barely born when we won the title and under 10 when he was fired and filed suit against the university.... Of course they've only seen the good side of things
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« Reply #144 on: February 13, 2018, 09:41:45 am »

Well yeah except all of them were barely born when we won the title and under 10 when he was fired and filed suit against the university.... Of course they've only seen the good side of things

...that's my point
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« Reply #145 on: February 13, 2018, 09:46:25 am »

Calling his boss a white haired devil probably didn't help the situation any. 

True.  He should have said "white haired racist devil". 
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« Reply #146 on: February 13, 2018, 09:48:18 am »

True.  He should have said "white haired racist devil".
I prefer to call them "mutant hairs."   >:(
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« Reply #147 on: February 13, 2018, 09:49:08 am »

This was adequately addressed about 10 posts ago. Keep up big fella.  ;)

Looks like a big race war to me and I don't have time to Wade through it. Thanks though.
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« Reply #148 on: February 13, 2018, 09:50:55 am »

Nolan is actually willing to let sleeping dogs lie, and I can even back this up with a legit source: http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/13814160/former-arkansas-coach-nolan-richardson-years-anger-softened

Nolan Richardson Court.

Great Read! Thanks
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« Reply #149 on: February 13, 2018, 09:52:37 am »

No one has the right to say whatever they want. that's horse hockey and you know it.
He made derogatory remarks about the program and administration, the effects of which our program still feels to this day.
I don't think anyone has ever debated that he isn't, buddy boy. its just that what he said was a violation of his contract, and thus he was fired for cause.
No he doesn't. he was fired for cause. (making derogatory remarks about the school to the press, open and shut violation of contract)
Was nutt fired for breach of contract or for performance related problems? Show us one statement he made bad about the program, then you can be believed. What is more likely to be true is that Nutt was willing to go quietly and got paid, and Richardson was too proud to negotiate, and chose to file suit, so he got nothing.
he was fired for cause. It sucks that a great career ended like that, but he left the university no choice.
Alleging racism against a university doesn't damage the perception of the university? what planet do you live on. People still think Arkansas is racist because of it.
Yep that's why. Not because of Harrison and their "white pride" billboards or rumors that the KKK started in Arkansas or 101 other things that make people look down on Arkansas. At least we aren't Mississippi though!
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