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10 year anniversary of Houston Nutt's phone call

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oldhawg

Quote from: GuvHog on March 19, 2017, 08:07:58 am
Some fans want to win at all costs, some believe the program can win big and still have integrity with the right head coach (I'm here), while others believe integrity is all that matters whether the team wins or not. At the moment, the people in the 3rd group are the problem.

My intuition tells me that there are not very many people in the third group, but even so, why would you think they are a problem?

Inhogswetrust

Quote from: GuvHog on March 19, 2017, 08:07:58 am
Some fans want to win at all costs, some believe the program can win big and still have integrity with the right head coach (I'm here), while others believe integrity is all that matters whether the team wins or not. At the moment, the people in the 3rd group are the problem.

I think it's the win at all cost ones that are the problem.
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GuvHog

Quote from: Inhogswetrust on March 19, 2017, 04:32:07 pm
I think it's the win at all cost ones that are the problem.

I agree that they are part of the problem too.
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GuvHog

Quote from: oldhawg on March 19, 2017, 12:40:09 pm
My intuition tells me that there are not very many people in the third group, but even so, why would you think they are a problem?

Because many of them would sacrifice wins for integrity and I have a serious problem with that. It really is possible to run a program with integrity and win big at the same time. That is what should be happening at the U of A in football but currently we're only getting half of it. They have the integrity part down pat and that's a good thing but with the exception of 2014, on the field performance has pretty well stunk since April of 2012.
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LZH

Quote from: Inhogswetrust on March 19, 2017, 04:32:07 pm
I think it's the win at all cost ones that are the problem.

Not until we get caught at something.... :P

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May 28, 2017, 10:41:14 am #156 Last Edit: May 29, 2017, 06:58:20 am by Pork Twain
Quote from: Hardcore Hoggy on February 23, 2017, 09:44:27 am
Here's 7 backfields that arguably , or not so arguably, had better NFL success

University of Tennesse (Late 90's)- Jamal Lewis, Travis Henry, and Travis Stephens.

- Notre Dame (Late 80's) Thunder and Lightning- Jerome Bettis and Reggie Brooks.

- Oklahoma State (Late 80's)- Thurman Thomas and Barry Sanders.

- Nebraska (Mid 90's)- Lawrence Phillips, Ahman Green, and Tommy Frazier (I included Frazier as he was pretty much a rb ligned up as qb)

- Auburn (Early 2000's)- Cadillac Williams and Ronnie Brown

- SMU (Early 80's) Pony Express- Eric Dickerson and Craig James.

- Miami (Early 2000's)- Clinton Portis, Frank Gore, Willis McGahee.

In point of fact, one could probably argue that having those three guys all at the same position made Arkansas WEAKER than they otherwise could have been had the talent been spread out among many positions.

What good does 3 NFL caliber running backs do if you don't have an SEC caliber QB, for example?
So he said arguably top 10 college backfields of all-time and you came up with 7 you thought were in the same class, so you agree with him?

Your listing of top backfields is very misleading as well, we are still talking about college production here, not what they were later able to do in the NFL.  While Felix and DMAC arrived here together, some of those you listed played one year together and their combined time on campus extends 4-6 years, while our guys did it all in three, only Auburn and SMU are similar in your list.  I do not count Peyton, because he was rarely healthy and utilized as a HB while the other two were here.  He was primarily used as a pass catching FB.

With your last point, you are kind of going against yourself.  Dmac and Felix were able to do all of that without a top level qb.  Same could not be said for several others on your list.  Imagine what they could have done with a competent OC, QB and HC.

Much like Tebow, Vick, Young and Jones, Tommy was a QB, not a RB.  You can’t switch a players position to juice your numbers.  In point of fact all of those qbs I listed had more rushing yards than Frazier.

Oklahoma State (8403 yds, 91 TD in a 5 year period)
Thurman Thomas 1984-1987, 4847 yds, 43 TD
Barry Sanders 1986-1988, 3556 yds, 48 TD

SMU (8192 yds, 70 TD in a 4 year period)
Eric Dickerson 1979-1982, 4450 yds, 47 TD
Craig James 1979-1982, 3742 yds, 23 TD

University of Arkansas (7546 yds, 61 TD in a 3 year period)
Darren McFadden 2005-2007, 4590 yds, 41 TD
Felix Jones 2005-2007, 2956 yds, 20 TD

University of Tennesse (8091 yds, 64 TD in a 5 year period)
Jamal Lewis 1997-1999, 2677 yds, 17 TD
Travis Henry 1997-2000, 3078 yds, 26 TD
Travis Stephens 1997-2001, 2336 yds, 21 TD

Notre Dame (3420 yds, 42 TD in a 4 year period)
Jerome Bettis 1990-1992, 1912 yds, 27 TD
Reggie Brooks 1989-1992, 1508 yds, 15 TD

Nebraska (6657 yds, 72 TD in a 5 year period)
Lawrence Phillips 1993-1995, 2777 yds, 30 TD
Ahman Green 1995-1997, 3880 yds, 42 TD

Auburn (6538 yds, 73 TD in a 4 year period)
Cadillac Williams 2001-2004, 3831 yds, 45 TD
Ronnie Brown 2000-2004, 2707 yds, 28 TD

Miami (6565 yds, 68 TD in a 6 year period)
Clinton Portis 1999-2001, 2523 yds, 20 TD
Frank Gore 2001-2004, 1975 yds, 17 TD
Willis McGahee 2001-2002, 2067 yds, 31 TD

University of Texas (7555 yds, 92 TD)
Ricky Williams 1995-1998, 6279 yds, 72 TD
Priest Homes 1992-1996, 1276 yds 20 TD
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Quote from: Letsroll1200 on February 21, 2017, 01:03:25 pm
He was passionate about the Hogs and got his players to compete. He made a huge mistake by hiring Malzahn.

He left for OSU in the middle of the night.  He was a punk back then.  He's a punk now.

BrianG

I miss Nutt and Petrino after the bike ride.  I loved John L.  I think eventually Fat Bert will do for this site what those other did.  Make it a hoot to visit.