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hog.goblin

March 06, 2016, 02:27:24 pm #50
Quote from: Inhogswetrust on March 06, 2016, 07:47:28 am
Big time hire? You've got to be kidding. Head coach for 11 years and ONLY two games above .500 in the pros as a head coach................Oh yes that's a dazzling record...................How that adds up to a big, big get is laughable.

Take away his first season with Chicago and 1st season with Tampa, both lower talent transition years, and he averaged over 10 wins a season.

ChitownHawg

March 06, 2016, 03:16:09 pm #51
Quote from: hog.goblin on March 06, 2016, 02:27:24 pm
Take away his first season with Chicago and 1st season with Tampa, both lower talent transition years, and he averaged over 10 wins a season.

So he is just unlucky that a "great hire" coach keeps getting fired.

10 wins in the North is no great accomplishment. Usually there is only one team (GB). And don't under estimate his stubbornness. This new AD fired the coach on his first day, I'm not sure he has the personality to suffer a stubborn coach.

Even with a top notch recruiter - winning isn't happening for this team for several years.
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SooiecidetillNuttgone

March 06, 2016, 04:21:13 pm #52
Quote from: ChitownHawg on March 06, 2016, 01:47:07 pm
Don't look now but your ignorance is showing. Lovie walked into the Bears with a ready made defense. He couldn't field an offense to save his life. He was fired. He went to Tampa and was fired again.

So stop rolling on the floor laughing and explain why you think he is a great coach?

I was being ironic with your  laughable statement.

I do believe this is a big hire for that weak program though.
I've already explained the reasons.
His response to me:
Quote from: hawginbigd1 on October 13, 2016, 11:48:33 am
So everyone one of the nationalized incidents were justified? There is no race problems with policing? If that is what you believe.....well bless your heart, it must be hard going through life with the obstacles you must have to overcome. Do they send a bus to come pick you up?

hobhog

March 06, 2016, 04:47:15 pm #53
Quote from: ChitownHawg on March 06, 2016, 01:47:07 pm
Don't look now but your ignorance is showing. Lovie walked into the Bears with a ready made defense. He couldn't field an offense to save his life. He was fired. He went to Tampa and was fired again.

So stop rolling on the floor laughing and explain why you think he is a great coach?

There are LOTS of coaches that failed in the NFL and became great college coaches. The NFL reputation and history of Illinios football should tell anyone this was a great hire...

ALLVOL

March 06, 2016, 04:54:54 pm #54
Bad coaches don't take teams to the Superbowl.

hog.goblin

March 06, 2016, 04:56:06 pm #55
Quote from: ChitownHawg on March 06, 2016, 03:16:09 pm
So he is just unlucky that a "great hire" coach keeps getting fired.

10 wins in the North is no great accomplishment. Usually there is only one team (GB). And don't under estimate his stubbornness. This new AD fired the coach on his first day, I'm not sure he has the personality to suffer a stubborn coach.

Even with a top notch recruiter - winning isn't happening for this team for several years.

We won his division 3 times, went to a Super Bowl, and was fired after a 10 - 6 season, something the Bears haven't seen since, and improved by 4 wins in his 2nd season at TB, yet got fired.

If this were Michigan, USCw, Alabama, etc., it would be an average hire.

At Illinois it's a grand slam.

The Bears have won their division 5 times in the last 25 years.  Lovie has 3 of them.

ChitownHawg

March 06, 2016, 05:01:58 pm #56
Quote from: hog.goblin on March 06, 2016, 04:56:06 pm
We won his division 3 times, went to a Super Bowl, and was fired after a 10 - 6 season, something the Bears haven't seen since, and improved by 4 wins in his 2nd season at TB, yet got fired.

If this were Michigan, USCw, Alabama, etc., it would be an average hire.

At Illinois it's a grand slam.

The Bears have won their division 5 times in the last 25 years.  Lovie has 3 of them.

Yep because winning the North and the South is so difficult to do. And if he is so good then why does he keep getting fired? This is the guy who thought Grossman was the answer.

What was his record the last time he was a college head coach? Where did his recruiting classes rank? Regardless of the school who hires him - he is an unknown at best.
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SooiecidetillNuttgone

March 06, 2016, 05:41:47 pm #57
Quote from: ChitownHawg on March 06, 2016, 05:01:58 pm
Yep because winning the North and the South is so difficult to do. And if he is so good then why does he keep getting fired? This is the guy who thought Grossman was the answer.

What was his record the last time he was a college head coach? Where did his recruiting classes rank? Regardless of the school who hires him - he is an unknown at best.


You're right.
Al Groh is who they should have hired.

He'd have brought more excitement to recruits, fans, and alums.
AND, he's a proven commodity.
His response to me:
Quote from: hawginbigd1 on October 13, 2016, 11:48:33 am
So everyone one of the nationalized incidents were justified? There is no race problems with policing? If that is what you believe.....well bless your heart, it must be hard going through life with the obstacles you must have to overcome. Do they send a bus to come pick you up?

ChitownHawg

March 06, 2016, 05:53:56 pm #58
Quote from: SooiecidetillNuttgone on March 06, 2016, 05:41:47 pm
You're right.
Al Groh is who they should have hired.

He'd have brought more excitement to recruits, fans, and alums.
AND, he's a proven commodity.

Groh? I see you are running out of ways to make Lovie the "grand slam" hire.  ;D
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ChitownHawg

March 06, 2016, 05:56:53 pm #59
Quote from: SooiecidetillNuttgone on March 06, 2016, 04:21:13 pm
I was being ironic with your  laughable statement.

I do believe this is a big hire for that weak program though.
I've already explained the reasons.

Dude you were replying to someone else not me. Try keeping up - I'm not that intelligent. So it shouldn't be too hard to keep up.  ;)
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hogcard1964

March 06, 2016, 06:00:48 pm #60
Quote from: Grumpypenguin on March 06, 2016, 02:10:49 pm
Lovie does not seem like the type of person that would want to recruit. he wasn't a good NFL coach anyways

Illinois' not going to hire him.

SooiecidetillNuttgone

March 06, 2016, 06:02:34 pm #61
Quote from: hogcard1964 on March 06, 2016, 06:00:48 pm
Illinois' not going to hire him.

Al Groh is available.
His response to me:
Quote from: hawginbigd1 on October 13, 2016, 11:48:33 am
So everyone one of the nationalized incidents were justified? There is no race problems with policing? If that is what you believe.....well bless your heart, it must be hard going through life with the obstacles you must have to overcome. Do they send a bus to come pick you up?

hogcard1964

March 06, 2016, 06:09:26 pm #62
Quote from: SooiecidetillNuttgone on March 06, 2016, 06:02:34 pm
Al Groh is available.

At the college level he's more proven.
 

SooiecidetillNuttgone

March 06, 2016, 06:16:59 pm #63
Quote from: hogcard1964 on March 06, 2016, 06:09:26 pm
At the college level he's more proven.

At 85-92?
9-7 NFL?
His response to me:
Quote from: hawginbigd1 on October 13, 2016, 11:48:33 am
So everyone one of the nationalized incidents were justified? There is no race problems with policing? If that is what you believe.....well bless your heart, it must be hard going through life with the obstacles you must have to overcome. Do they send a bus to come pick you up?

Cure

March 06, 2016, 06:30:33 pm #64
In what world is Lovie Smith a bad coach?
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Wildhog

March 06, 2016, 06:48:05 pm #65
Quote from: Cure on March 06, 2016, 06:30:33 pm
In what world is Lovie Smith a bad coach?

In no world. 
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ChitownHawg

March 06, 2016, 06:59:33 pm #66
Quote from: Cure on March 06, 2016, 06:30:33 pm
In what world is Lovie Smith a bad coach?

He is not a bad coach, but he isn't a grand slam either. He is an ok coach that is a very nice guy.
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hog.goblin

March 06, 2016, 07:26:22 pm #67
Quote from: ChitownHawg on March 06, 2016, 05:01:58 pm
Yep because winning the North and the South is so difficult to do. And if he is so good then why does he keep getting fired? This is the guy who thought Grossman was the answer.

What was his record the last time he was a college head coach? Where did his recruiting classes rank? Regardless of the school who hires him - he is an unknown at best.


I can't explain why Chicago fires a 10-win coach.  I guess was to hire the Canadian QB whisper who turned out dreadful.

Tampa Bay?  3 coaches in 5 years.  Sometimes ownership can get out of their own way.

By the way, many of your questions were said when USCw hired Pete Carroll (Lovie is no Pete Carroll, Illinois is no USCw).

12247

March 06, 2016, 08:31:13 pm #68
Lovie Smith just cannot be a decent coach.  We know this because we had a similar situation where we needed a HC after signing day and during the off season, but had to settle for John L. because we couldn't find a coach during this time period.  Decent coaches are just not hireable during this timeframe.

Tejano Jawg

March 06, 2016, 08:44:03 pm #69
Quote from: hobhog on March 06, 2016, 04:47:15 pm
There are LOTS of coaches that failed in the NFL and became great college coaches. The NFL reputation and history of Illinios football should tell anyone this was a great hire...

Agree. Heck...WE had one. Granted, Lou's sample size in the NFL was small (one season), but how much better would that have been in 5 seasons? So, awful NFL coach, great college coach.

As for Lovie, I have no idea what he did before his time in the League. Still, if I were an Illini, I'd be pretty excited.
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ChitownHawg

March 06, 2016, 09:14:28 pm #70
Quote from: hog.goblin on March 06, 2016, 07:26:22 pm
I can't explain why Chicago fires a 10-win coach.  I guess was to hire the Canadian QB whisper who turned out dreadful.

Tampa Bay?  3 coaches in 5 years.  Sometimes ownership can get out of their own way.

By the way, many of your questions were said when USCw hired Pete Carroll (Lovie is no Pete Carroll, Illinois is no USCw).

They fired Lovie because he would not adapt and the defense was getting old. Which meant their window of opportunity for a championship was closing. Yep they blew it with Tressman and that group is no longer here.

Chicagoans were ready for that 10 win coach to leave. When you see him day in and day out Lovie is just not that good.

And that 10 win coach didn't get his team into the playoffs that year.
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hog.goblin

March 06, 2016, 11:21:12 pm #71
Quote from: ChitownHawg on March 06, 2016, 09:14:28 pm
They fired Lovie because he would not adapt and the defense was getting old. Which meant their window of opportunity for a championship was closing. Yep they blew it with Tressman and that group is no longer here.

Chicagoans were ready for that 10 win coach to leave. When you see him day in and day out Lovie is just not that good.

And that 10 win coach didn't get his team into the playoffs that year.

I'm a lifelong Bears fan, starting in about '83.  It's been lean times since Ditka left.  Lovie gave me hope.  I was feeling like it was probably over too, but didn't feel like a change should be made after his last 10-win season.

I also felt like personnel moves have been questionable the last 7 or 8 years.  Changing coaches doesn't fix that.  Angelo dismantled the Bears in 2007 and Emery was a disaster.  Too early to tell with Pace.

Rzbakfromwaybak

March 06, 2016, 11:55:50 pm #72
Quote from: Vantage 8 dude on March 05, 2016, 12:29:58 pm


Hey, you very well may have THE SOLUTION to Illinois' current problem. The Hooter is alive, well and waiting in the wings to resurrect yet another big time program. Someone get that man on the phone, pronto.....


Yep, Hootie is always waiting for that call ! Evidently his phone hasn't been tied up too much with coaching offers.  :)  Makes you wonder if Sexton has given up on finding him another coaching job. 
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ChitownHawg

March 07, 2016, 04:57:00 am #73
Quote from: hog.goblin on March 06, 2016, 11:21:12 pm
I'm a lifelong Bears fan, starting in about '83.  It's been lean times since Ditka left.  Lovie gave me hope.  I was feeling like it was probably over too, but didn't feel like a change should be made after his last 10-win season.

I also felt like personnel moves have been questionable the last 7 or 8 years.  Changing coaches doesn't fix that.  Angelo dismantled the Bears in 2007 and Emery was a disaster.  Too early to tell with Pace.

I'm with you on the general manager moves as well. If Illini do choose Lovie I hope he does well, but that program is a disaster. I heard something yesterday that the hire was contingent on him being able to hire his son. Not sure if that is true are not.

Heck I didn't know he had a son who was a coach.
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ChitownHawg

March 07, 2016, 04:59:08 am #74
Quote from: Rzbakfromwaybak on March 06, 2016, 11:55:50 pm
Yep, Hootie is always waiting for that call ! Evidently his phone hasn't been tied up too much with coaching offers.  :)  Makes you wonder if Sexton has given up on finding him another coaching job.

He actually wouldn't be a bad coach for them. Their program is bad and his rah rah can fire up the players. And the fan base hasn't seen good football in so long that no one will question his smoke draw plays.  ;D
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Doug

March 07, 2016, 07:22:13 am #75
Quote from: hogcard1964Illinois' not going to hire him.
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Inhogswetrust

March 07, 2016, 07:43:55 am #76
Quote from: hobhog on March 06, 2016, 04:47:15 pm
There are LOTS of coaches that failed in the NFL and became great college coaches. The NFL reputation and history of Illinios football should tell anyone this was a great hire...

And college coaches that failed in the NFL, and a few college coaches that succeeded in the NFL. Being a college coach is a different job than being an NFL coach. Only a few parts of the jobs are the same. The differences can only be overcome by certain ones. Maybe Lovie is one of those. I'd never bet on that for any NFL coach though that has never coached in college.
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TX HOG

March 07, 2016, 07:51:47 am #77
I know Illinois is far from east Texas, but lovie is highly respected in east Texas.

ricepig

March 07, 2016, 08:03:28 am #78
Quote from: Doug on March 07, 2016, 07:22:13 am
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Inhogswetrust

March 07, 2016, 08:09:52 am #79
Quote from: Cure on March 06, 2016, 06:30:33 pm
In what world is Lovie Smith a bad coach?

In the same one where people think he is a great coach.
If I'm going to cheer players and coaches in victory, I damn sure ought to be man enough to stand with them in defeat.

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Inhogswetrust

March 07, 2016, 08:11:09 am #80
Quote from: TX HOG on March 07, 2016, 07:51:47 am
I know Illinois is far from east Texas, but lovie is highly respected in east Texas.

As he should be. Everything I've read says he is a great guy.
If I'm going to cheer players and coaches in victory, I damn sure ought to be man enough to stand with them in defeat.

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hog.goblin

March 07, 2016, 08:15:41 am #81
Quote from: ChitownHawg on March 07, 2016, 04:57:00 am
I'm with you on the general manager moves as well. If Illini do choose Lovie I hope he does well, but that program is a disaster. I heard something yesterday that the hire was contingent on him being able to hire his son. Not sure if that is true are not.

Heck I didn't know he had a son who was a coach.

I think his son became a DB coach at Tampa.

No matter the situation, it's always bad to have a son as a coach on the team.

Doug

March 07, 2016, 08:43:45 am #82
Quote from: hog.goblinI think his son became a DB coach at Tampa.

No matter the situation, it's always bad to have a son as a coach on the team.
Steve Spurrier, Joe Paterno, didn't Petrino also hire his son... and Hootie, too? I know there's more than a handful of coaches that have brought their kids onto staffs.
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k.c.hawg

March 07, 2016, 08:49:34 am #83
I will tell you why this is a home run hire for Illinois. Tell me any coach they have had in the last 25 years that could be whispered in the same breath as Lovie Smith? Name me another coach that would even consider going to that dumpster fire that is half as qualified.

The biggest reason is Lovie Smith is joined at the hip with Tony Dungy and Herm Edwards. Those 3 guys are 3 of the 4 most recognizable African American coaches in NFL history. Herm and Tony will be showing up at practices and talk him up every time they have an opportunity. Will he be good at Illinois which has traditionally sucked,  maybe not but I wouldn't be surprised if they start landing their best classes ever.
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March 07, 2016, 08:58:06 am #84
For those that are saying this isn't a homerun hire... ponder this.

When you, as an Athletics Director, can drown out the news of an NFL QB retiring by hiring a CFB Coach, who was fired from an NFL team... you've gone BIG time with publicity for your school.
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Wisco Pig

March 07, 2016, 09:03:08 am #85
Illinois has been one of the most consistently mismanaged programs in major college football for a long time.   Hell, Northwestern puts together more competitive teams, and neither Wisconsin nor Iowa has natural recruiting advantages over Illinois.  I'm not convinced that Smith is the answer, but I agree he'll at least bring a buzz to the program that it hasn't had for a long while.

hogcard1964

March 07, 2016, 09:28:30 am #86
Quote from: Wisco Pig on March 07, 2016, 09:03:08 am
Illinois has been one of the most consistently mismanaged programs in major college football for a long time.   Hell, Northwestern puts together more competitive teams, and neither Wisconsin nor Iowa has natural recruiting advantages over Illinois.  I'm not convinced that Smith is the answer, but I agree he'll at least bring a buzz to the program that it hasn't had for a long while.

You won't remember Smith in 5 years.

As a ardent fan of the SEC as well as someone that detests the Little 14, I approve of this hiring.

Dominicanhog

March 07, 2016, 10:15:33 am #87
Quote from: hog.goblin on March 06, 2016, 04:56:06 pm
We won his division 3 times, went to a Super Bowl, and was fired after a 10 - 6 season, something the Bears haven't seen since, and improved by 4 wins in his 2nd season at TB, yet got fired.



they're both afraid they'll lose the hard earned "Lovable Loser" reputation.... actually they have both been mismanaged organizations for decades...

BorderPatrol

March 07, 2016, 10:21:13 am #88
Quote from: Doug on March 07, 2016, 07:22:13 am
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Ex-Trumpet

March 07, 2016, 10:24:10 am #89
Lovie Smith was a huge hire.  Most on here (excepting all those that knew we were hiring Gruden) would have been drooling a few years ago when we got Smiley.

Anyone judging Lovie by his NFL record needs to go back and look at Nick Saban's record in the NFL.  Or Steve Spurrier's.  Heck, even Lou Holtz'.  Not saying Lovie will have Saban-esque results, but to judge him base on his NFL record?  Please...
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Inhogswetrust

March 07, 2016, 10:26:53 am #90
Quote from: ALLVOL on March 06, 2016, 04:54:54 pm
Bad coaches don't take teams to the Superbowl.

I'll agree that not bad hasn't BUT they don't have to be great either.
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Inhogswetrust

March 07, 2016, 10:29:59 am #91
Quote from: Doug on March 07, 2016, 08:58:06 am
For those that are saying this isn't a homerun hire... ponder this.

When you, as an Athletics Director, can drown out the news of an NFL QB retiring by hiring a CFB Coach, who was fired from an NFL team... you've gone BIG time with publicity for your school.

Big time publicity does not always equate to being a big time hire or even big time news longterm. A home run hire is related to time. It is only a home run IF they are successful over several years after getting the job. Everyone also expected Payton's retirement today and has been for several weeks, so it wast exactly "breaking" news as much as the hiring was. 
If I'm going to cheer players and coaches in victory, I damn sure ought to be man enough to stand with them in defeat.

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Inhogswetrust

March 07, 2016, 10:33:19 am #92
Quote from: Dominicanhog on March 07, 2016, 10:15:33 am
they're both afraid they'll lose the hard earned "Lovable Loser" reputation.... actually they have both been mismanaged organizations for decades...

So getting fired after those happened should send up a red flag and open up questions as to why they happened to the same guy. He might be a great hire BUT those two events makes me pause before declaring it as such.
If I'm going to cheer players and coaches in victory, I damn sure ought to be man enough to stand with them in defeat.

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Inhogswetrust

March 07, 2016, 10:35:49 am #93
Quote from: Ex-Trumpet on March 07, 2016, 10:24:10 am
Lovie Smith was a huge hire.  Most on here (excepting all those that knew we were hiring Gruden) would have been drooling a few years ago when we got Smiley.

Anyone judging Lovie by his NFL record needs to go back and look at Nick Saban's record in the NFL.  Or Steve Spurrier's.  Heck, even Lou Holtz'.  Not saying Lovie will have Saban-esque results, but to judge him base on his NFL record?  Please...

ALL of those other coaches you mentioned had already proven themselves as good college coaches BEFORE going to the pros. Smith has never been a college coach. The pro and college jobs do have differences.   
If I'm going to cheer players and coaches in victory, I damn sure ought to be man enough to stand with them in defeat.

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Inhogswetrust

March 07, 2016, 10:36:35 am #94
Quote from: Wisco Pig on March 07, 2016, 09:03:08 am
Illinois has been one of the most consistently mismanaged programs in major college football for a long time.   Hell, Northwestern puts together more competitive teams, and neither Wisconsin nor Iowa has natural recruiting advantages over Illinois.  I'm not convinced that Smith is the answer, but I agree he'll at least bring a buzz to the program that it hasn't had for a long while.

Absolutely agree on all of that. Lovie may or may not be able to do well as a college coach but he does bring some name recognition and thus the buzz that they needed.
If I'm going to cheer players and coaches in victory, I damn sure ought to be man enough to stand with them in defeat.

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hogcard1964

March 07, 2016, 10:48:22 am #95
Quote from: Ex-Trumpet on March 07, 2016, 10:24:10 am
Lovie Smith was a huge hire. 

He's been hired and fired at least a dozen times and it's never been huge from any perspective.  It's certainly not at Illinois.

GolfnHog

March 07, 2016, 11:07:28 am #96
From a PR, Marketing and time of the year hire, it's big. Unlike many on this board, his name and experience as a HC will get him into any house he wants for a recruiting visit. As was mentioned in an earlier post, his connections to HC's that are African Americans past and present will bode well for him and give him credibility in recruiting kids that have talent to consider the mess called the Illini.

How successful he will be as an  X's & O's coach and hiring assistants is still in the jury room for a final verdict.
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March 07, 2016, 11:22:45 am #97
Quote from: hogcard1964He's been hired and fired at least a dozen times and it's never been huge from any perspective.  It's certainly not at Illinois.
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DeltaBoy

March 07, 2016, 11:31:22 am #98
Major hire and they will be better with Lovie. He a solid man and Coach.
If the South should lose, it means that the history of the heroic struggle will be written by the enemy, that our youth will be trained by Northern school teachers, will be impressed by all of the influences of history and education to regard our gallant dead as traitors and our maimed veterans as fit subjects for derision.
-- Major General Patrick Cleburne
The Confederacy had no better soldiers
than the Arkansans--fearless, brave, and oftentimes courageous beyond
prudence. Dickart History of Kershaws Brigade.

hogcard1964

March 07, 2016, 11:54:07 am #99
Quote from: Doug on March 07, 2016, 11:22:45 am
Just stop. You have been consistently proven to be not just wrong, but "holy sh*t, where the h*ll did that come from?" wrong.

Not following, but ok.  Lovie's huuuuuge. 
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