The 1964 Hogs should tell Bama to shut the hell up

[snoot hoggy hog]

Bama fans are mad because UCF is claiming a national championship using..........Bammer Logic.

https://www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/college-football/2018/1/3/16842584/ucf-national-championship-claim?__twitter_impression=true

[racinghog]

they are jealous that some else is trying to copy them!

[snoot hoggy hog]

they are jealous that some else is trying to copy them!

UCF has a legit case. They went undefeated, beat a few Top 25 teams this year, and beat the team that beat both teams in the National championship. Sounds like a national championship to me.

[sowmonella]

I'm fine with it as long as they don't mess with our 5 National Championships.

[TexasRazorback]

Bama fans are mad because UCF is claiming a national championship using..........Bammer Logic.

https://www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/college-football/2018/1/3/16842584/ucf-national-championship-claim?__twitter_impression=true

Bama fans have nothing to complain about. They claimed the 1941 national title with a 9-2 record and finished 20th in the AP. In college sports these days you can claim any title you want, just look at Okie Light. they claimed the 1945 title this year even though Army won the title and received 116 out of 116 votes in the AP that year

[hogsanity]

The 64 team should just enjoy being alive at 70+ like all of the living ones are.

[Pig in the Pokey]

UCF has a legit case. They went undefeated, beat a few Top 25 teams this year, and beat the team that beat both teams in the National championship. Sounds like a national championship to me.

they ARE the real champs. everybody else lost.

[HoopS]

they ARE the real champs. everybody else lost.

lol no

[Lao Tsuie]

let the 64 bama and arkansas players decide it on the field...

Who can got this done?

[HogFansReunited]

lol no

They beat the team that beat both the teams playing in the title game and they are undefeated. In this flawed system they deserve a title claim as much as anyone.

[hoggusamoungus]

As the committee pointed out, their strength of schedule was a negative.  In September, Mississippi State went 1-2 in a three game stretch of LSU at home then on the road at Georgia and Auburn.  I don't think UCF would have come though that same schedule without a loss or two.

[hoggusamoungus]

let the 64 bama and arkansas players decide it on the field...

Who can got this done?

Jerry.  Could play it at his stadium and call it the Nursing Home Bowl.

[HoopS]

They beat the team that beat both the teams playing in the title game and they are undefeated. In this flawed system they deserve a title claim as much as anyone.

nice season. Their sos is way too weak to be considered national champs though.

[rljjr]

I'm fine with it as long as they don't mess with our 5 National Championships.

EXACTLY!!!

[hog of steele]

I am accepting this. In my head, Bama and GA are playing for runner up. Well done UCF

[jkstock04]

UCF has a legit case. They went undefeated, beat a few Top 25 teams this year, and beat the team that beat both teams in the National championship. Sounds like a national championship to me.

A few?

[Michael D Huff AIA]

They beat the team that beat both the teams playing in the title game and they are undefeated. In this flawed system they deserve a title claim as much as anyone.

The transitive property does not apply in sports.  If A>B and B>C then A>C.  This is what they are saying.  Applies in the math classroom, not in sports.

[010HogFan]

they ARE the real champs. everybody else lost.

You think they could line up and beat Alabama in the college football playoff? I don't.

[jkstock04]

The only real team they played in the regular season was Memphis. If they are serious about being a contender they need to schedule high end non conference opponents, that's the only way they will get a shot. That and continue to dominate their conference.

[Ragnar Hogbrok]

nice season. Their sos is way too weak to be considered national champs though.

So what their schedule is weak? Ohio State made several national championship appearances with their joke of a schedule.

[rljjr]

The only real team they played in the regular season was Memphis. If they are serious about being a contender they need to schedule high end non conference opponents, that's the only way they will get a shot. That and continue to dominate their conference.

I agree, but I think UCF has as much upside as any program in America in term of a huge undergraduate population (who will become big money donors over time), a large TV market, a talent-rich area, and the recent decline of Florida and FSU. The problem UCF has to conquer is being a stepping stone school. The didn't make an upgrade with their coach this time, and that will hurt.

[snoot hoggy hog]

You think they could line up and beat Alabama in the college football playoff? I don't.

People didn't think they were going to beat Auburn until they beat them.

[jimmur74]

Theyhave ZERO case!! They would lose 3-4 in a power 5 conference

UCF has a legit case. They went undefeated, beat a few Top 25 teams this year, and beat the team that beat both teams in the National championship. Sounds like a national championship to me.

[jimmur74]

No way in H E double hockey stick

You think they could line up and beat Alabama in the college football playoff? I don't.

[HogFansReunited]

The transitive property does not apply in sports.  If A>B and B>C then A>C.  This is what they are saying.  Applies in the math classroom, not in sports.

They are undefeated and won every game they had an opportunity to win. If people don't like them claiming they are national champs, make a playoff system that would include an undefeated team from a mid major.

[HogFansReunited]

Theyhave ZERO case!! They would lose 3-4 in a power 5 conference

They did what they had to do......win

[MuskogeeHogFan]

Bama fans are mad because UCF is claiming a national championship using..........Bammer Logic.

https://www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/college-football/2018/1/3/16842584/ucf-national-championship-claim?__twitter_impression=true

If you own the town record for homeruns hit in a season against organized high level competition, do you worry about the little kid that says he hit it further out of the same park in a pick-up game one day?

Most rational people wouldn't give it a second thought, let alone giving it any credence by recognizing it as something that is legitimately worth being concerned about.

[The Kig]

UCF can claim whatever they want... it has absolutely no legitimacy.  The difference in the past was that multiple organizations muddied the water by awarding championship titles.  This is simply a cheap, theatrical marketing play awarding themselves a championship.  There isn't likely to be any organization outside of Orlando that recognizes this as a legitimate claim. 

Our 64 championship wasn't something cooked up by the athletic department.  It was one of several groups in that era that actually did award us a championship.  Bama has their claim because another legitimate source awarded them one before they lost their bowl. 

Otherwise, I hereby claim the undisputed heavyweight boxing heavyweight in the world... I have never lost a single fight.  I have also never won one either, but that doesn't take away from the fact that I have zero defeats. 

[RebelliousHog]

The only real team they played in the regular season was Memphis. If they are serious about being a contender they need to schedule high end non conference opponents, that's the only way they will get a shot. That and continue to dominate their conference.

And they had an early game will h Memphis cancelled. 2nd game of the year. Odds are they might have lost that game. I agree that they (UCF) played a weak schedule. Records of the team's they played was 74-72, with 7 teams at .500 or less.  A decent team, and they are, with a month to get ready, could beat a better  team given the right circumstances ( see Ar. in 78).

[goodguytex]

UCF has a legit case. They went undefeated, beat a few Top 25 teams this year, and beat the team that beat both teams in the National championship. Sounds like a national championship to me.

Yes they do. Auburn,who ucf beat, defeated both bama and Georgia. Lost to Georgia once too. But especially if bama wins the NC, ucf has a very good point to make.

[majestic]

Otherwise, I hereby claim the undisputed heavyweight boxing heavyweight in the world... I have never lost a single fight.  I have also never won one either, but that doesn't take away from the fact that I have zero defeats. 

I don't think they have a legit claim, just based on the fact that they aren't in the tournament. But your analogy fails since they did actually fight. And they won every fight they were in.

[hoggusamoungus]

Yes they do. Auburn,who ucf beat, defeated both bama and Georgia. Lost to Georgia once too. But especially if bama wins the NC, ucf has a very good point to make.

Auburn also lost to a mediocre LSU team.

[hogfooey]

Jerry.  Could play it at his stadium and call it the Nursing Home Bowl.

Jerryatric Bowl

[HoopS]

So you mean to tell me that if the Hogs were sitting in Bama or Georgia's spot right now, some of you would feel we were truly playing for second place because UCF went undefeated so therefore they're the champs?

Be honest.

[Justagp]

Auburn also lost to a mediocre LSU team.

Good point - and they also lost to Clemson who Alabama beat soundly.

[popcornhog]

Bama fans are mad because UCF is claiming a national championship using..........Bammer Logic.

https://www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/college-football/2018/1/3/16842584/ucf-national-championship-claim?__twitter_impression=true

In 1964, champions were determined based on the regular season. Bama has claimed some absurd titles, but the 64 title was legit — as was ours. Split titles were possible back then.

Based on 1965-2013 rules, Arkansas would've been the undisputed champion in 64.

In 2018 they're determined based on the playoff.

[hog of steele]

In 1964, champions were determined based on the regular season. Bama has claimed some absurd titles, but the 64 title was legit — as was ours. Split titles were possible back then.

Based on 1965-2013 rules, Arkansas would've been the undisputed champion in 64.

In 2018 they're determined based on the playoff.

Meh.

[pigbacon]

In 1964, champions were determined based on the regular season. Bama has claimed some absurd titles, but the 64 title was legit — as was ours. Split titles were possible back then.

Based on 1965-2013 rules, Arkansas would've been the undisputed champion in 64.

In 2018 they're determined based on the playoff.

I think Forbes should be invited to settle the '64 NC- award it to the team whose players have the greatest combined personal net worth.

[okrazorback]

The only real team they played in the regular season was Memphis. If they are serious about being a contender they need to schedule high end non conference opponents, that's the only way they will get a shot. That and continue to dominate their conference.

Memphis  ha

[26.2Hog]

I think Forbes should be invited to settle the '64 NC- award it to the team whose players have the greatest combined personal net worth.

A capital idea!

[hawg1221]

UCF has a legit case. They went undefeated, beat a few Top 25 teams this year, and beat the team that beat both teams in the National championship. Sounds like a national championship to me.

I have no problem with them claiming it. I'm pretty confident they wouldn't win it if they were in a power 5 conference, but that's not the point. No one can prove that as a fact, so you can't deny them based on what they've accomplished.

[HoopS]

So you mean to tell me that if the Hogs were sitting in Bama or Georgia's spot right now, some of you would feel we were truly playing for second place because UCF went undefeated so therefore they're the champs?

Be honest.

I figured a few would have already answered. Perhaps you missed my post.

If the Hogs had just won the SEC title and beat #1 Clemson (killed them) or #2 OU (epic OT battle), would you be OK admitting that while the SEC season was a grind, and we stepped out in the OOC beating a strong squad, won the West then the SECCG, and beating #1 or #2, dadgummit, UCF beat an Auburn Team who didn't want to be there and went undefeated against a weak schedule so truly that is the team most deserving of this title? Granted we still have another game to win against an SEC monster, still, I mean UCF had to beat Memphis twice so crap, they earned it over us.

Once again. Be honest.

[PorkSoda]

how can you win a national championship if you aren't playing in a NCG?

whoo whoo, UCF went undefeated in a G5  conference.  good for them.  rank them in the top 5.

yippee.

NC? no

[hawg1221]

how can you win a national championship if you aren't playing in a NCG?

whoo whoo, UCF went undefeated in a G5  conference.  good for them.  rank them in the top 5.

yippee.

NC? no

Winning it and claiming it are 2 different stories.

[PorkSoda]

Winning it and claiming it are 2 different stories.

I can claim to win the lottery.  that doesn't mean I can now afford a Ferrari

[hawg1221]

I can claim to win the lottery.  that doesn't mean I can now afford a Ferrari

The only problem with that is the lottery is concrete and a national championship would be referred to as abstract.

[The Kig]

I don't think they have a legit claim, just based on the fact that they aren't in the tournament. But your analogy fails since they did actually fight. And they won every fight they were in.

No... Analogy works.  I have fought and won (never lost), just not in a bout that actually counts, which was sort-of the point.

[RollHogTide]

As a Bama fan - I believe that UCF deserved to be in the playoffs over BOTH Bama and OSU.  Would they have won the NC?  I doubt it - but, there's no way of knowing.  I know that transitive properties don't apply to sports, but from what I could tell in their game with Auburn - they deserved it.

I equate them to Boise State under Chris Peterson - great records, could beat anyone on any given day - but, unfortunately for them, they aren't a member of a P5 conference and therefore don't receive the same consideration for their accomplishments.  If they want to hang a banner, pay their coaches, have a parade - then more power to them, they handled their business and should be very proud.

[AirWarren]

1964. Who cares anymore....really??

[goodguytex]

Auburn also lost to a mediocre LSU team.

Yes they did. And UCF beat everyone they played, including a team that beat 2 teams playing for the NC. I don't think they have a right to claim NC. But I can understand their reasoning.