How many people thought that TAMU joining the SEC wouldn't hurt Arkansas?

[Sweet Feet]

It's been five full seasons since TAMU has been a member of the SEC. How much has TAMU joining the SEC hurt the Hogs in your opinion?

[ricepig]

Two people thought that.....

[lakecityhog]

Most people here would say that our recruiting has improved over the last 3 or 4 years, right?
I would venture to say that ATM has out-recruited Arkansas for a lot longer than since joining the SEC.

So how exactly has them being in the SEC hurt us?

[HiggiePiggy]

Most people here would say that our recruiting has improved over the last 3 or 4 years, right?
I would venture to say that ATM has out-recruited Arkansas for a lot longer than since joining the SEC.

So how exactly has them being in the SEC hurt us?

It put another team that out recruits us in the same division as us and it doesn't help that since they have joined we haven't beaten them. 

[theFlyingHog]

Most people here would say that our recruiting has improved over the last 3 or 4 years, right?
I would venture to say that ATM has out-recruited Arkansas for a lot longer than since joining the SEC.

So how exactly has them being in the SEC hurt us?

Well they've beaten us the last five times. I can't really argue that them being in the SEC has anything to do with that but it has probably helped them some

[bennyl08]

TAMU joining the SEC hasn't really hurt us. Our recruiting has improved as discussed in other threads. So, hard to say that we have intrinsically been hurt as a program. Hard to say it has helped us either.

Now, joining the SEC has tremendously helped the aggies as evidenced by their big bump in recruiting. Their improvement has made our schedule more difficult than it already was.

We have seen a marked decrease in TX players on our roster, though I think that is related to our improvement in recruiting with more fla, ga, and la players.

[GuvHog]

Most people here would say that our recruiting has improved over the last 3 or 4 years, right?
I would venture to say that ATM has out-recruited Arkansas for a lot longer than since joining the SEC.

So how exactly has them being in the SEC hurt us?

The Hogs have hurt themselves much worse than they've been hurt by A&M being in the SEC.

[3kgthog]

It's been another near automatic SEC loss since they joined. It doesn't get much more damaging than that.

[theFlyingHog]

The Hogs have hurt themselves much worse than they've been hurt by A&M being in the SEC.

Hard to argue with that.

[EastexHawg]

What evidence is there that them joining the SEC hurt us?  That they have beaten us five straight years?  Apparently Rutgers playing in three conferences in three years and Mississippi State staying in the SEC hurt us, too.

[lakecityhog]

They beat us because they joined the SEC??? Or did they beat us for other reasons?

I hate to break it to you guys, but IF the SEC expands they probably won't invite North Texas State and Jacksonville State. They will more than likely invite a couple of pretty good teams and things will just get tougher. It is up to Arkansas to get better.

For nearly 70 years we played ATM as the only team not from Texas. They out-recruited us then plus they had a ton more built-in advantages and we OWNED them. We out-played them and out-coached them. That is what we have to start doing again.

[Hoggish1]

It's been five full seasons since TAMU has been a member of the SEC. How much has TAMU joining the SEC hurt the Hogs in your opinion?

Lots and I said it from the start...

[Hoggish1]

It's been five full seasons since TAMU has been a member of the SEC. How much has TAMU joining the SEC hurt the Hogs in your opinion?

Lots and I said it from the start...

Most people here would say that our recruiting has improved over the last 3 or 4 years, right?
I would venture to say that ATM has out-recruited Arkansas for a lot longer than since joining the SEC.

So how exactly has them being in the SEC hurt us?

Wrong.

[Hoggish1]

It's been five full seasons since TAMU has been a member of the SEC. How much has TAMU joining the SEC hurt the Hogs in your opinion?

Lots and I said it from the start...

Most people here would say that our recruiting has improved over the last 3 or 4 years, right?
I would venture to say that ATM has out-recruited Arkansas for a lot longer than since joining the SEC.

So how exactly has them being in the SEC hurt us?

Now, joining the SEC has tremendously helped the aggies as evidenced by their big bump in recruiting.

By helping them it has hurt us.

[GuvHog]

Lots and I said it from the start...

....And you've been wrong from the start.

[lakecityhog]

Lots and I said it from the start...
Wrong.

Which part is wrong??

[Hoggish1]

....And you've been wrong from the start.

From the start we have not beat them.

[EastexHawg]

From the start we have not beat them.

In case you haven't noticed, the Aggies aren't the Lone Rangers.  Between 1999 and 2011 we were 12-1 against Mississippi State.   Since 2012 we are 1-4.  Did they change conferences?

[Bkhardicars]

I thought most years it would be an automatic win and we'd recruit TX better.

[theFlyingHog]

In case you haven't noticed, the Aggies aren't the Lone Rangers.  Between 1999 and 2011 we were 12-1 against Mississippi State.   Since 2012 we are 1-4.  Did they change conferences?

Misstake did step up their game a little with Mullen. And Dak helped a lot

[ChicoHog]

I think it's definitely hurt us as Texas kids can play in the SEC and stay home instead of going elsewhere like Arkansas.  But what has hurt worse is Texas sucking wind the last 7-8 years which made the Aggies the hot and trendy program in Texas along with the Manziel hype and Heisman.  And there is one more team in our division which makes it even more difficult to win.  The more teams in the league/division then the harder it gets. 

[1highhog]

Two people thought that.....

Most of this board thought that the aggies joining the SEC was a good thing, only a few of us thought that it was a terrible idea. 

[Al Boarland]

A&M came in and recruits at a higher level. That pushes us down another spot from a talent perspective.

[Hogeration]

I didn't think so but I also didn't think BP would crash his motorcycle with an ex-volleyball player on back.

[hobhog]

Addition of OU and OSU would be even worse.....

[Hogwild]

Since the SEC expanded we are 2-8 against Mizzou & A&M, 10-20 against the rest of the conference during that time frame.  It has been more on us than on the aggies.

A&M, hasn't been world beaters, they have lost 11 of their last 12 games against Ole Miss, Miss State, LSU, and Alabama. 
They have yet to beat a team from the East that finished above .500 in the conference.

[bphi11ips]

A&M came in and recruits at a higher level. That pushes us down another spot from a talent perspective.

I wonder how we managed to kick their butt for so many years. 

[HamSammich]

Another loss every year hurts of course. To many "SEC SEC SEC " knuckle draggers tell us on this forum every week how the SEC should go after OU and Florida state next. I call horsesharp.


The SEC needs Tulanes and tulsas.... end of story.

[Porkchop#1]

....And you've been wrong from the start.

Lol....Guv got that wood right har.

[Hugo Bezdek]

Pathetic. Bobby Petrino getting himself fired and sending our program into a tailspin has been the source of our troubles.

[clutch]

I don't think it has hurt us really, it has just helped them quite a bit.

[870hogfan]

A&M came in and recruits at a higher level. That pushes us down another spot from a talent perspective.

Hasn't A&M always recruited at a higher level?

[hog.goblin]

The Hogs have hurt themselves much worse than they've been hurt by A&M being in the SEC.

Truth

I thought most years it would be an automatic win and we'd recruit TX better.

That's the path we were on until it was derailed

[hawginbigd1]

TAMU joining the SEC hasn't really hurt us. Our recruiting has improved as discussed in other threads. So, hard to say that we have intrinsically been hurt as a program. Hard to say it has helped us either.

Now, joining the SEC has tremendously helped the aggies as evidenced by their big bump in recruiting. Their improvement has made our schedule more difficult than it already was.

We have seen a marked decrease in TX players on our roster, though I think that is related to our improvement in recruiting with more fla, ga, and la players.

So read that and then think about it a little while, TAMU joined the SEC, and their recruiting skyrocketed, you don't think they have taken recruits from us ?? We have competed for a lot more recruits since they joined, and they win 4 out of 5, they weren't beating us by those numbers when they were in the big12.

[OneTuskOverTheLine™]

The Hogs have hurt themselves much worse than they've been hurt by A&M being in the SEC.

This is what I was thinking as well...

[Science Fiction Greg]

I think it's hilarious that some of you fools think that Texas A&M joining the SEC has anything to do with our recent lack of success.  Good lord, people.  Please, learn about correlation and how it is not tethered to causation.

[SamBuckhart]

Didn't want it. Hate it . Its all about money and SEC Network subscribers. Aggies are using their SEC membership to entice recruits  that they may have lost to us.  Sorry scab lickers.

[Hogwild]

I think it's hilarious that some of you fools think that Texas A&M joining the SEC has anything to do with our recent lack of success.  Good lord, people.  Please, learn about correlation and how it is not tethered to causation.

exactly,  since joining the SEC Texas A&M is 21-19 in SEC play, Mizzou is 19-21 in conference play. The latter has been to the SEC Championship game twice.
Both of those teams have a better winning % in SEC play than we have had, not just in the past 5 years, but our all-time SEC record. We have done it to ourselves.

Now if your argument is we screwed up by agreeing to play A&M every year in their home state instead of a home and home, I would agree with you.
It was a self inflicted wound. We have gone 0 for 5 and haven't gained anything in recruiting, that said hindsight is 20/20.

A&M on the road= 2 losses each season.
2016 @ Bama @ Miss St
2015 @ Ole Miss @ LSU
2014 @ Miss St @Bama
2013 @LSU @MIzzou

[Iwastherein1969]

I wonder how we managed to kick their butt for so many years.

agreed, the all-time series is 42-29-3 in favor of Arkansas....and that's having them win 5 in a row with the last three absolutely given to them by the Hogs...A&M has always out recruited Arkansas but we always managed to handle them on the field. All things being equal, counting the past 3 years the all-time series should be 45-26-3...We'll beat them this year and you can go ahead and book that

[Al Boarland]

Hasn't A&M always recruited at a higher level?

I'm talking about in the SEC. When you rank the programs A&M will always be higher.

[theFlyingHog]

agreed, the all-time series is 42-29-3 in favor of Arkansas....and that's having them win 5 in a row with the last three absolutely given to them by the Hogs...A&M has always out recruited Arkansas but we always managed to handle them on the field. All things being equal, counting the past 3 years the all-time series should be 45-26-3...We'll beat them this year and you can go ahead and book that

Aggie is gonna derail at some point in the season. It should start in Jerrah's house and I think it will this season. UT should start waking up this year and another aggie fail on the season will start splitting those TX recruits more. I met a lot of ags the last couple of weeks, oddly enough right outside Austin, and they are disgusted with Sumlin. They were all ready to start the season so they can be that much closer to dumping him. Their bravado is toast.

[MuskogeeHogFan]

Most people here would say that our recruiting has improved over the last 3 or 4 years, right?
I would venture to say that ATM has out-recruited Arkansas for a lot longer than since joining the SEC.

So how exactly has them being in the SEC hurt us?

Actually, it hasn't hurt us. They were recruiting better than Arkansas before they joined the SEC. I think that having a game with them in Jerry-World each year has helped our exposure to Texas based recruits. If A&M joining the SEC has hurt anyone, it has probably hurt the Longhorns more than Arkansas.

[jgphillips3]

Actually, it hasn't hurt us. They were recruiting better than Arkansas before they joined the SEC. I think that having a game with them in Jerry-World each year has helped our exposure to Texas based recruits. If A&M joining the SEC has hurt anyone, it has probably hurt the Longhorns more than Arkansas.

This is pretty much how I see it. 

[hog.goblin]

So read that and then think about it a little while, TAMU joined the SEC, and their recruiting skyrocketed, you don't think they have taken recruits from us ?? We have competed for a lot more recruits since they joined, and they win 4 out of 5, they weren't beating us by those numbers when they were in the big12.

Their recruiting skyrocketed becuase they fired Sherman and hired Sumlin.  They also started winning, at least initially.

[hawganatic]

A&M joining the conference didn't hurt us near as bad as a former coach crashing his motorcycle into a ditch did.

[31to6]

It's been five full seasons since TAMU has been a member of the SEC. How much has TAMU joining the SEC hurt the Hogs in your opinion?

TAMU joining the SEC has not hurt us nearly as bad as Petrino dipping his pen in company ink and Slappy the Clown (CJLS) driving us into the ditch.

On paper it might look like TAMU has kicked us down a rung on the SEC-W ladder. But really, we did it to ourselves. Our games vs. TAMU have mostly been very close, 4th quarter games that we just couldn't finish.

I see no reason why the series will not even up over time.

[Peter Porker]

It's been five full seasons since TAMU has been a member of the SEC. How much has TAMU joining the SEC hurt the Hogs in your opinion?

I said it would hurt us more than help. Our one advantage we had over them with Texas kids was playing in the SEC.

[hobhog]

We used to play LSU in a nationally appealing game Friday after Thanksgiving. Who has that game now?

[Tusks]

So you guys do know that A/M can only sign 25 a year? 

The Ags are 84-103 since joining the SEC.

[Peter Porker]

I don't think it has hurt us really, it has just helped them quite a bit.

If it helps them then it hurts us. Just like bama winning national titles and our fans yelling SEC! SEC! SEC! so stupid.