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Re: espn never shows Arkansas any love!!
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2017, 01:20:17 pm »

went you field a worse defense than if they hadn't even bothered to take the field, then you don't get much love from the stat crunchers.

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Re: espn never shows Arkansas any love!!
« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2017, 01:26:17 pm »

Yeah. 6 wins is most certainly possible




How many should they have said??
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Re: espn never shows Arkansas any love!!
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2017, 01:50:02 pm »

OL is better (with possibly best C in nation) 5th year Senior QB, 2 RBs as good as anyone in the country. We have a chance to have outscore just about anyone, even if that's not our style. We'll win more than 6. Screw ESPN.
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Re: espn never shows Arkansas any love!!
« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2017, 01:59:01 pm »

We hope our oline is better. We don't know that.
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Re: espn never shows Arkansas any love!!
« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2017, 01:59:25 pm »

OL is better (with possibly best C in nation) 5th year Senior QB, 2 RBs as good as anyone in the country. We have a chance to have outscore just about anyone, even if that's not our style. We'll win more than 6. Screw ESPN.

Good. Now analyze the defense.
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Re: espn never shows Arkansas any love!!
« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2017, 02:05:12 pm »

It'll be in the 6-8 range again.  He has 6 or 7 locks on the schedule.  However, if he chokes away an early one again that he shouldn't, it could be as low as 6 for a total.

None of this is really a stretch.

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Re: espn never shows Arkansas any love!!
« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2017, 02:13:29 pm »

meh...until our defense proves it has improved 6 wins is an understandable prediction.
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Re: espn never shows Arkansas any love!!
« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2017, 02:23:24 pm »

When ya win games and you don't finish dead last in ypg allowed, you get respect. It's not given, it's earned. Win games!! WPS!!
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Re: espn never shows Arkansas any love!!
« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2017, 02:28:23 pm »

I'd rather go 4-8 than have yet another 6-7 win type year.  I'd rather go 10-2.  It's time for cbb to get it done or move on. 
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Re: espn never shows Arkansas any love!!
« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2017, 02:31:46 pm »

I'd rather go 4-8 than have yet another 6-7 win type year.  I'd rather go 10-2.  It's time for cbb to get it done or move on.

Going forward, he'll never lose below six while he's here.
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Re: espn never shows Arkansas any love!!
« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2017, 02:33:00 pm »

Seriously, why care what ESPN or anyone else predicts in freaking April?
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Re: espn never shows Arkansas any love!!
« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2017, 02:33:11 pm »

We hope our oline is better. We don't know that.

We don't know if Austin is going to regress so much we wish Tretola was our full time quarterback.

We don't know if Whaley will put on 50 pounds of bad weight this offseason and be ineffective.

We don't know if Ragnow will be benched in favor of Raulerson at center and not even start a single game this coming season due to him no longer being good enough.

We don't "know" if any of those things will happen or not. However, we do know what happens on average. We do know that players on average improve from one year to the next and only a rare few don't. We do know that our coaching staff has a history of developing players and helping them improve from one year to the next as well. Yes, we don't "know" that our OL will be better next season. That is true. However, we don't have any evidence to suggest that they won't be any better and heaps of evidence that they will be.
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Re: espn never shows Arkansas any love!!
« Reply #13 on: April 06, 2017, 02:37:07 pm »

Good. Now analyze the defense.

Start analysis:

Could it be any worse than last year?

End analysis
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Re: espn never shows Arkansas any love!!
« Reply #14 on: April 06, 2017, 02:40:56 pm »

A bit lower than my low end prediction of 7 wins (high-8 ), but it's hard to look at this tough schedule and find the wins. You just have to hope for a couple upsets.
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Re: espn never shows Arkansas any love!!
« Reply #15 on: April 06, 2017, 02:47:07 pm »

I'd rather go 4-8 than have yet another 6-7 win type year.  I'd rather go 10-2.  It's time for cbb to get it done or move on.

This has been my outlook. In my opinion, 9-4 is about the worst thing that could happen. Good enough to say it's improvement and buy more time. 9-4 isn't normally bad, but when it's your personal best in five years with no guarantee of ever matching or topping that, that's not quite good enough.
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Re: espn never shows Arkansas any love!!
« Reply #16 on: April 06, 2017, 02:48:14 pm »

Good. Now analyze the defense.

Hahahaha a little more hesitant on that one... But I just mentioned the offense to make a point. I think that side is too good this year to only win 6. But then again, they weren't chopped liver last year and the defense was the worst I have ever seen it. Take that into consideration, though, no way they'll be that bad again.
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Re: espn never shows Arkansas any love!!
« Reply #17 on: April 06, 2017, 02:48:56 pm »

Just win baby. I don't sweat about what ESPN preseason data thing says.
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Re: espn never shows Arkansas any love!!
« Reply #18 on: April 06, 2017, 02:50:13 pm »

Going forward, he'll never lose below six while he's here.

It'll happen.  A few key injuries is all it'll take.  Until that happens he'll have a job here. 
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Re: espn never shows Arkansas any love!!
« Reply #19 on: April 06, 2017, 02:58:35 pm »

Going forward, he'll never lose below six while he's here.
So....he'll NEVER lose below six while he's here. Bold prediction; be careful of absolute statements 'cause they have a way of making you look as dumb as you might be.
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Re: espn never shows Arkansas any love!!
« Reply #20 on: April 06, 2017, 03:02:16 pm »

This has been my outlook. In my opinion, 9-4 is about the worst thing that could happen. Good enough to say it's improvement and buy more time. 9-4 isn't normally bad, but when it's your personal best in five years with no guarantee of ever matching or topping that, that's not quite good enough.
9-4 is the WORST thing that can happen?  Now I think I've heard everything on here.
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« Reply #21 on: April 06, 2017, 03:12:45 pm »

9-4 is the WORST thing that can happen?  Now I think I've heard everything on here.
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Re: espn never shows Arkansas any love!!
« Reply #22 on: April 06, 2017, 03:19:22 pm »

9-4 is the WORST thing that can happen?  Now I think I've heard everything on here.

Many believe CBB is the second coming of the Nuttster so they foresee him having the same knack to do just good enough.

I disagree. I believe he is the right man for the job. That he can take us to a consistent winning tradition. Not by luck like Dale or by offensive wizardry like the angry curmudgeon, but by design.

Could I be wrong? Yep. He better get the defense fixed and win. Or he will be gone and we will be watching ties again.
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« Reply #23 on: April 06, 2017, 03:26:53 pm »

Many believe CBB is the second coming of the Nuttster so they foresee him having the same knack to do just good enough.


The Nutter Butter would be upset with that comparison.   :D
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Re: espn never shows Arkansas any love!!
« Reply #24 on: April 06, 2017, 03:34:58 pm »

This has been my outlook. In my opinion, 9-4 is about the worst thing that could happen. Good enough to say it's improvement and buy more time. 9-4 isn't normally bad, but when it's your personal best in five years with no guarantee of ever matching or topping that, that's not quite good enough.

Aysm? I'd do backflips for 9-4.
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Re: espn never shows Arkansas any love!!
« Reply #26 on: April 06, 2017, 03:47:49 pm »

Who is Austin Allen going to throw to?


I think overall the offense will be fine. Definitely the identity of the team




That defense though.......ewww
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Re: espn never shows Arkansas any love!!
« Reply #27 on: April 06, 2017, 04:00:37 pm »

Does Luke Ford have any interest in LSU? I feel like he's all hog but just wanted to see if someone knew something I didn't. Article mentioned LSU offering him in an attempt to poach.
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« Reply #28 on: April 06, 2017, 04:18:38 pm »

The Nutter Butter would be upset with that comparison.   :D
And you don't think CBB would be highly offended by the same comparison ???  ::) Come on, get real!
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Re: espn never shows Arkansas any love!!
« Reply #29 on: April 06, 2017, 04:48:26 pm »

Start analysis:

Could it be any worse than last year?

End analysis
Well they could let me play safety and my nieces play corner
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Re: espn never shows Arkansas any love!!
« Reply #30 on: April 06, 2017, 04:59:12 pm »

Who is Austin Allen going to throw to?


I think overall the offense will be fine. Definitely the identity of the team




That defense though.......ewww

I for one am excited about the receivers this year. We Stacked.
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Re: espn never shows Arkansas any love!!
« Reply #31 on: April 06, 2017, 05:01:41 pm »

With what we lost and our performance last year they may be optimistic (at 6 wins) about this year
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« Reply #32 on: April 06, 2017, 05:05:49 pm »

With what we lost and our performance last year they may be optimistic (at 6 wins) about this year
Of course it can't be at all possible that we actually improve in various areas this coming season. Nah, that'd be seen as being way too optimistic for much of this crowd.
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« Reply #33 on: April 06, 2017, 05:28:34 pm »

The most pertinent information I got from the article was that ARod and JLo was was at a steakhouse in Little Rock and you guys want to discuss the non pertinent information. Why?
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« Reply #34 on: April 06, 2017, 05:41:37 pm »

I most certainly agree with those who express the sentiment that frankly a rating in the SPRING never outranks one that occurs during and after the season.
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« Reply #35 on: April 06, 2017, 05:46:40 pm »

Of course it can't be at all possible that we actually improve in various areas this coming season. Nah, that'd be seen as being way too optimistic for much of this crowd.
sure, but the FPI is a computer generated poll based on statistics.  It doesn't take human subjectivity into account, and at this point is based primarily on last years stats.  which if you haven't checked, are not good.
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« Reply #36 on: April 06, 2017, 06:15:34 pm »

sure, but the FPI is a computer generated poll based on statistics.  It doesn't take human subjectivity into account, and at this point is based primarily on last years stats.  which if you haven't checked, are not good.
Past results are NEVER a guarantee of future performance. Besides, call me a "homer" but I believe that we're honestly making progress from the standpoint of talent, etc. While in many ways last year was at times a disaster, I'll settle for my outlook that things might actually be a little better. Besides, isn't Spring the time when we hear that "hope springs eternal" ??? Obviously NONE of us will know for certain until the end of November, a LONG time off at this point.
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« Reply #37 on: April 06, 2017, 06:49:47 pm »



I think overall the offense will be fine. Definitely the identity of the team


Yeah but when Bret was hired, we all knew this would be the case....
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« Reply #38 on: April 06, 2017, 06:56:22 pm »

Past results are NEVER a guarantee of future performance. Besides, call me a "homer" but I believe that we're honestly making progress from the standpoint of talent, etc. While in many ways last year was at times a disaster, I'll settle for my outlook that things might actually be a little better. Besides, isn't Spring the time when we hear that "hope springs eternal" ??? Obviously NONE of us will know for certain until the end of November, a LONG time off at this point.
yeah, just pointing out that because its a data driven poll, its going to project us poorly because our data was poor.  It has nothing to do with whether ESPN loves or hates us or whether we expect improve or regress.

That said, its worth just as little as every other "too early poll" because *cough* "Its too early"

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« Reply #39 on: April 06, 2017, 08:29:41 pm »

I'm not sure what the problem is.  What was said that's not true?  You want some love, go earn it.  I can count 6 very losable games this next year.  After the way we finished last year that might be a stretch.  If this team wants love they need to go out and shut people like this up on the field.  Whining about it on a board like this is useless.
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« Reply #40 on: April 06, 2017, 08:47:17 pm »

Going forward, he'll never lose below six while he's here.
What is wrong with you and why are you posting on a Razorbacks fan site?
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« Reply #41 on: April 06, 2017, 08:59:12 pm »

Young men are busting their collective asses in hopes to improve, yet some of you want them to fail because you don't care for their head coach.

I hope you all suffer a slow and painful death.
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« Reply #42 on: April 06, 2017, 09:15:17 pm »

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« Reply #43 on: April 06, 2017, 10:47:10 pm »

Completely reasonable prediction. Defense consistently horrible.  Losing lots off an O line that was already shaky.
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« Reply #44 on: April 06, 2017, 11:12:49 pm »

9-4 is the WORST thing that can happen?  Now I think I've heard everything on here.

Yeah, that thing called context is important here. It's just like the poster above me said; shjt or get off the pot. The man has a losing record over a four year period. That would get him fired at most respectable jobs in the nation. 9-4 is awful because of the timing and circumstances. We had a shot at a satisfying 9 wins last year. Instead, we blow a 17 and 24 point third quarter lead in back-to-back games and quite literally give away two blowout wins. The year before we had a chance for a good 10 win season and lost to Toledo and a vastly inferior Texas Tech, who we didn't have to punt against a single time the year before at their house.

These things and other trends lead me to believe a 9-win season could possibly be either his ceiling or extremely rare. I don't want him to win just enough to say "hey look, I CAN do it!" and buy him another two or three seasons. What happens if he wins 7 games the next two years after that? 9 wins every four or five years is something we can do at least a little better than.

Aysm? I'd do backflips for 9-4.

I don't know, are YOU shjtting me? You're gonna do gymnastics over a 9 win ceiling in five years, regardless of the consequences it could have for his tenure here? Yeah, I'm the unreasonable one.
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« Reply #45 on: April 07, 2017, 01:28:40 am »

Completely reasonable prediction. Defense consistently horrible.  Losing lots off an O line that was already shaky.

Consistently horrible? I guess if you use a weird definition of consistent...

Losing lots? We are losing only one player from last season who wasn't even our top OL player, he was a RT who was playing LT due to his experience at the time bringing more to the OL than a multitude of other options we have that were more athletic. Those players are all more experienced this year and by all accounts, there is no reason that we should expect our OL to do anything but get better.
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« Reply #46 on: April 07, 2017, 05:53:07 am »

Obviously ESPN is not the problem, just look at all the negativity in this thread from 'Hog fans'.
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« Reply #47 on: April 07, 2017, 06:48:25 am »

Also the 6 wins is from theIr analytics models




So not really any room for espn to hate on arkansas.  This is just based on the numbers.
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« Reply #48 on: April 07, 2017, 06:50:46 am »

I for one am excited about the receivers this year. We Stacked.


Stacked is a subjective term


There are a lot of bodies with little experience. Hopefully they come out unafraid.
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« Reply #49 on: April 07, 2017, 07:31:42 am »

Its not surprising to see that number, there are a lot of question marks on this team.  The OL should be better, but we don't know that yet.  We lost a very good group of veteran WRs last season, there is a ton of talent in the group coming up, but we haven't seen them in game situations much yet, same goes for TEs, Cantrell is the only one with any much playing time, and due to the OL issues last year, we didn't really get a chance to see him in the passing game a whole lot.  RB and QB are mostly known quantities, and that is a good thing, it's a strong basis, if the other groups come together, the offense could have a banner year.

The defense is still a huge question mark, it's hard to imagine them getting any worse than last year, but we really don't know how much they'll improve, if at all.  New DC, DL, and 2nd LB coach, and an entirely new scheme, not usually a recipe for a great season, but could still be a huge improvement over last.  If the offense performs anything like last year, minus the 2nd half collapses, even a moderate improvement on the D could get us a couple more wins.  We'll just have to wait and see though.
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