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Joe Lunardi Way Too Early Bracketology - Arkansas 11-Seed
« on: April 04, 2017, 06:18:00 pm »

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology?sf67908098=1

Arkansas at an 11-seed play in game vs. St. Bonaventura, part of the Last 4 In. Winner would play Baylor, and that victor would play winner of UNC/Charleston (how poetic).

Other SEC teams:
Florida - 1
Kentucky - 2
Vandy - 8
South Carolina - 10
Alabama - 10

With what we've got coming back and what we've got coming in, I'm thinking surely better than Last 4 In...right?
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Re: Joe Lunardi Way Too Early Bracketology - Arkansas 11-Seed
« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2017, 06:42:00 pm »

Mike has fairly consistently over achieved. We weren't projected at all for this season correct?
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Re: Joe Lunardi Way Too Early Bracketology - Arkansas 11-Seed
« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2017, 06:49:11 pm »

Vanderbilt is going miss Kornett a ton. He made defenses honor his outside shooting which opened driving lanes up for penetrate and kick. He also was huge on defense altering shots which allowed allowed them to pressure heard on the perimeter.

SC is replacing more than we  are and bringing in less.

Most preseason rankings aren't worth the paper they are written on.
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Re: Joe Lunardi Way Too Early Bracketology - Arkansas 11-Seed
« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2017, 07:21:02 pm »

Play in game would be an underachievement.
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Re: Joe Lunardi Way Too Early Bracketology - Arkansas 11-Seed
« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2017, 07:49:24 pm »

If Barford, Macon, and Thomas return (a lot of returning experience), along with the newcomers, that's potentially a pretty salty group.

I suspect MA is smiling.
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Re: Joe Lunardi Way Too Early Bracketology - Arkansas 11-Seed
« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2017, 07:53:17 pm »

Us against the world, just like always.  ;)
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Re: Joe Lunardi Way Too Early Bracketology - Arkansas 11-Seed
« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2017, 09:55:18 pm »

Mike has fairly consistently over achieved. We weren't projected at all for this season correct?

I think Lunardi actually did have us in this past "way too early" one.
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Re: Joe Lunardi Way Too Early Bracketology - Arkansas 11-Seed
« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2017, 09:58:52 pm »

Ok, I wasn't going to look at the link but I did - and WTFFF. He has us potentially playing in the 2nd round vs. NORTH CAROLINA!

And Florida is a 1 seed? Why?
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Re: Joe Lunardi Way Too Early Bracketology - Arkansas 11-Seed
« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2017, 10:15:36 pm »

Vanderbilt is going miss Kornett a ton. He made defenses honor his outside shooting which opened driving lanes up for penetrate and kick. He also was huge on defense altering shots which allowed allowed them to pressure heard on the perimeter.

SC is replacing more than we  are and bringing in less.

Most preseason rankings aren't worth the paper they are written on.
You pay attention. Good post.
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Re: Joe Lunardi Way Too Early Bracketology - Arkansas 11-Seed
« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2017, 08:10:28 am »

I'll take it. Just stay away from the 8/9 seed PLEASE!
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Re: Joe Lunardi Way Too Early Bracketology - Arkansas 11-Seed
« Reply #10 on: April 05, 2017, 08:27:52 am »

Fire Mike
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Re: Joe Lunardi Way Too Early Bracketology - Arkansas 11-Seed
« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2017, 08:31:28 am »

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Re: Joe Lunardi Way Too Early Bracketology - Arkansas 11-Seed
« Reply #12 on: April 05, 2017, 08:52:19 am »

In early November he did, but he didn't in his bracket prediction right after the tourney last year.
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Re: Joe Lunardi Way Too Early Bracketology - Arkansas 11-Seed
« Reply #13 on: April 05, 2017, 08:57:08 am »

South Carolina won't make the tournament next year.
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Re: Joe Lunardi Way Too Early Bracketology - Arkansas 11-Seed
« Reply #14 on: April 05, 2017, 09:08:32 am »

South Carolina won't make the tournament next year.

Careful, when I said that last week I was told that I was just " at it again " and " down playing the SEC to make Mike look bad".  They might make it, who knows, but the road is going to be tough considering what they are losing. Yes, they have some talent coming back, and will have some new talent, but they are losing their leader, who at times just put them on his back for long stretches this year.
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Re: Joe Lunardi Way Too Early Bracketology - Arkansas 11-Seed
« Reply #15 on: April 05, 2017, 10:48:45 am »

macon and barford just really are not getting any respect or people believe they will not be back i am not sure which.

I mean SR guards 3 of them, all very skilled usually gets you preseason hype not lose it.  SC will lose almost their entire squad same for Vandy.  /shrug

I like our team next year if all return and we avoid injuries i think we will be safetly in the dance and hopefully not paired against UNC in the 2nd round for the umpteenth time.
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Re: Joe Lunardi Way Too Early Bracketology - Arkansas 11-Seed
« Reply #16 on: April 05, 2017, 11:01:31 am »

macon and barford just really are not getting any respect or people believe they will not be back i am not sure which.

I mean SR guards 3 of them, all very skilled usually gets you preseason hype not lose it.  SC will lose almost their entire squad same for Vandy.  /shrug

I like our team next year if all return and we avoid injuries i think we will be safetly in the dance and hopefully not paired against UNC in the 2nd round for the umpteenth time.

I do not think it is those 2 not getting respect as much as it is losing a guy like Moses, plus a scorer like Hannahs, and not having a good read on who will fill those roles.
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Re: Joe Lunardi Way Too Early Bracketology - Arkansas 11-Seed
« Reply #17 on: April 05, 2017, 11:03:54 am »

I do not think it is those 2 not getting respect as much as it is losing a guy like Moses, plus a scorer like Hannahs, and not having a good read on who will fill those roles.

eh i think you can get a pretty good read on the replacements i mean a borderline 5 star big, and 2 wings are coming in to go with the 3 sr guards and bench reserves that screams complete team to me barring injury and if highly rated recruits work out.

I mean if our recruiting class was a bunch of 2 and 3 stars sure but i believe "most" people would think Gafford is going to be good.
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Re: Joe Lunardi Way Too Early Bracketology - Arkansas 11-Seed
« Reply #18 on: April 05, 2017, 11:08:49 am »

eh i think you can get a pretty good read on the replacements i mean a borderline 5 star big, and 2 wings are coming in to go with the 3 sr guards and bench reserves that screams complete team to me barring injury and if highly rated recruits work out.

I mean if our recruiting class was a bunch of 2 and 3 stars sure but i believe "most" people would think Gafford is going to be good.

They may be highly rated but no one knows how a guy will adjust to college until they see him. Plus, it does seem to take newcomers a while to find they way in Mike's system ( it took Barford and Macon over half a season ). Throw in a tougher non-conf schedule with the games in the tournament they are in, and a improving SEC ( according to some ), and it is not hard to see this team again being on the bubble. However, if the newcomers adjust quickly, it is not hard to see them as a 5-7 seed either.
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Re: Joe Lunardi Way Too Early Bracketology - Arkansas 11-Seed
« Reply #19 on: April 05, 2017, 11:10:21 am »

They may be highly rated but no one knows how a guy will adjust to college until they see him. Plus, it does seem to take newcomers a while to find they way in Mike's system ( it took Barford and Macon over half a season ). Throw in a tougher non-conf schedule with the games in the tournament they are in, and a improving SEC ( according to some ), and it is not hard to see this team again being on the bubble. However, if the newcomers adjust quickly, it is not hard to see them as a 5-7 seed either.

and certain teams will always get the benefit of the doubt.  You get a Kentucky or UNC with a recruiting class of 3 4 star players and they are all considered 1 and done'rs, but ours ? eh they will take some time to adjust...
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Re: Joe Lunardi Way Too Early Bracketology - Arkansas 11-Seed
« Reply #20 on: April 05, 2017, 11:15:15 am »

and certain teams will always get the benefit of the doubt.  You get a Kentucky or UNC with a recruiting class of 3 4 star players and they are all considered 1 and done'rs, but ours ? eh they will take some time to adjust...

I am not concerned about yet another perceived swipe at the Hogs, I know what we have seen with our own eyes, and it takes new guys a while to adjust to Mike's system. Barford and Macon were at the top of the juco class, and it still took them well into sec play to finally start consistently being what they were thought to be.

And, as advertised it is a much too soon look at next years tourney, basically done just to drive talk, because most teams are going to look different than how they ended the season just finished.
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« Reply #21 on: April 05, 2017, 11:24:42 am »

I am not concerned about yet another perceived swipe at the Hogs, I know what we have seen with our own eyes, and it takes new guys a while to adjust to Mike's system. Barford and Macon were at the top of the juco class, and it still took them well into sec play to finally start consistently being what they were thought to be.

And, as advertised it is a much too soon look at next years tourney, basically done just to drive talk, because most teams are going to look different than how they ended the season just finished.

I get that, but in this case i cannot avoid seeing it.  I mean what does Vandy (1 4 star 2 3 star) have coming in in the way of freshman class? SoCar (1 4 star 3 3star)?  yet each of them is projected higher and they are losing just as much or more.

There is bias, or rather more likely is that people pundits do not believe in the Hogs which i get.
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Re: Joe Lunardi Way Too Early Bracketology - Arkansas 11-Seed
« Reply #22 on: April 05, 2017, 11:32:09 am »

I think projecting the Hogs as an 11 seed at this juncture is fair. Previous 8 seed that advanced one round loses 3 key seniors. I get it. Personally, I'd project the Hogs higher than South Carolina, but they're coming off a strong Final 4 showing and could have two All-SEC players back. Not going to split hairs at this point. He's basically saying they're both bubble-ish teams, so borderline tournament teams. I agree with that at this point because we can only project based on assumed returning/incoming talent and that's all it's based on. We don't even know schedules yet.

He's putting a lot of weight into the incoming talent for Alabama, so I get that, too. They didn't really lose anyone too crucial. 4/5 top scorers returning + a 5-star, high 4-star and another top 100 4-star.

Now....Vanderbilt losing Luke Kornet and Nolan Cressler and replacing them with the 8th ranked SEC recruiting class. And they're an 8? Don't see it. They are going to take a step back because Kornet was a huge part of their success. Unique player. Vanderbilt should be an 11, probably. If that. I wouldn't project them as a tournament team right now.
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Re: Joe Lunardi Way Too Early Bracketology - Arkansas 11-Seed
« Reply #23 on: April 05, 2017, 12:16:35 pm »

Lunardi is right about half of the time.....which means he's no better at picking these things than almost everyone else.
Besides, it's stupid and pointless to try and pick this stuff now, just after THIS year's national championship game was played. Way too many factors that can happen between now and eleven months from now.
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Re: Joe Lunardi Way Too Early Bracketology - Arkansas 11-Seed
« Reply #24 on: April 05, 2017, 01:05:48 pm »

They may be highly rated but no one knows how a guy will adjust to college until they see him. Plus, it does seem to take newcomers a while to find they way in Mike's system ( it took Barford and Macon over half a season ). Throw in a tougher non-conf schedule with the games in the tournament they are in, and a improving SEC ( according to some ), and it is not hard to see this team again being on the bubble. However, if the newcomers adjust quickly, it is not hard to see them as a 5-7 seed either.

Tougher schedule should help move us off the bubble even with fewer wins. Key word should.
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Re: Joe Lunardi Way Too Early Bracketology - Arkansas 11-Seed
« Reply #25 on: April 05, 2017, 01:18:29 pm »

I get that, but in this case i cannot avoid seeing it.  I mean what does Vandy (1 4 star 2 3 star) have coming in in the way of freshman class? SoCar (1 4 star 3 3star)?  yet each of them is projected higher and they are losing just as much or more.

There is bias, or rather more likely is that people pundits do not believe in the Hogs which i get.

Why would he be biased for Vandy or SC? SC had not made the NCAAt in a decade, and Vandy did what Vandy always does, played enough tough OOC games to get a bid they probably did not deserve.
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« Reply #26 on: April 05, 2017, 01:20:03 pm »

Tougher schedule should help move us off the bubble even with fewer wins. Key word should.

Providing they win some of them. I don't think they can go 8-5 in the ooc then 12-6 in the sec and get in with just 20 wins unless some of those 8 ooc wins are against the "good" teams. Of course if they win some of those they wont go 8-5 in ooc game, it'd be more like 10-3.
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« Reply #27 on: April 05, 2017, 01:23:23 pm »

Why would he be biased for Vandy or SC? SC had not made the NCAAt in a decade, and Vandy did what Vandy always does, played enough tough OOC games to get a bid they probably did not deserve.

for Vandy because oddly enough in basketball Vandy seems to always get the benefit of the doubt. and SC because they are "so hot right now" even though their two best players will likely be in the D league or overseas next year.
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« Reply #28 on: April 05, 2017, 07:40:53 pm »

Providing they win some of them. I don't think they can go 8-5 in the ooc then 12-6 in the sec and get in with just 20 wins unless some of those 8 ooc wins are against the "good" teams. Of course if they win some of those they wont go 8-5 in ooc game, it'd be more like 10-3.

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« Reply #29 on: April 05, 2017, 07:43:48 pm »

I get that, but in this case i cannot avoid seeing it.  I mean what does Vandy (1 4 star 2 3 star) have coming in in the way of freshman class? SoCar (1 4 star 3 3star)?  yet each of them is projected higher and they are losing just as much or more.

There is bias, or rather more likely is that people pundits do not believe in the Hogs which i get.

I think it's more like these guys don't do their homework with regards to the roster changes among the teams they pick.
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« Reply #30 on: April 05, 2017, 08:05:24 pm »

Hey Lunardi..... 🖕🖕🖕
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Re: Joe Lunardi Way Too Early Bracketology - Arkansas 11-Seed
« Reply #31 on: April 06, 2017, 09:03:59 am »

IIRC, about this time last year didn't Lunardi have the Hogs as a 9 or 10 seed?
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« Reply #32 on: April 06, 2017, 10:04:34 am »

IIRC, about this time last year didn't Lunardi have the Hogs as a 9 or 10 seed?

dunno but if i had to guess it was on the back of the Kingsley pre season POY hype with a good group of JC talent coming in.

Things almost never work out how you expect.  It wouldn't surprise me if the craziest scenario played out.  Something like Macon goes pro, Gafford comes in and is absolutely dominant, and Beard steps up and plays like All SEC guard. Hogs IMHO are most unpredictable team ever. Lose to teams they should never and beat teams you wouldn't believe.
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« Reply #33 on: April 06, 2017, 10:09:12 am »

IIRC, about this time last year didn't Lunardi have the Hogs as a 9 or 10 seed?
I don't think so. We weren't in until early November when he had us as "Last four in".
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« Reply #34 on: April 06, 2017, 10:14:16 am »

dunno but if i had to guess it was on the back of the Kingsley pre season POY hype with a good group of JC talent coming in.

Things almost never work out how you expect.  It wouldn't surprise me if the craziest scenario played out.  Something like Macon goes pro, Gafford comes in and is absolutely dominant, and Beard steps up and plays like All SEC guard. Hogs IMHO are most unpredictable team ever. Lose to teams they should never and beat teams you wouldn't believe.

Which is why I said that I do not think it is unfair to project them anywhere from 6th seed to 11 seed. I do think they'll make it, but as what seed, who knows.
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« Reply #35 on: April 06, 2017, 10:15:32 am »

Which is why I said that I do not think it is unfair to project them anywhere from 6th seed to 11 seed. I do think they'll make it, but as what seed, who knows.

i think they will make it as well.  I just hope they get some luck/love from the seeding committee though i shouldn't hold my breath.

I mean i love filling out brackets i crushed it this year, only missing on Vilanova.  I wont do a bracket(s) unless the Hogs are in because i do not care otherwise.
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Re: Joe Lunardi Way Too Early Bracketology - Arkansas 11-Seed
« Reply #36 on: April 06, 2017, 10:20:38 am »

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology?sf67908098=1

Arkansas at an 11-seed play in game vs. St. Bonaventura, part of the Last 4 In. Winner would play Baylor, and that victor would play winner of UNC/Charleston (how poetic).

Other SEC teams:
Florida - 1
Kentucky - 2
Vandy - 8
South Carolina - 10
Alabama - 10

With what we've got coming back and what we've got coming in, I'm thinking surely better than Last 4 In...right?


Joe can suck it
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« Reply #37 on: April 06, 2017, 10:21:10 am »

Lunardi did not have us in his April bracket when Moses was checking into the NBA nor after the draft entries decided to come back.  A&M was getting a lot of attention as was MSU.  UK and Fl of course were in. 

dunno but if i had to guess it was on the back of the Kingsley pre season POY hype with a good group of JC talent coming in.

Things almost never work out how you expect.  It wouldn't surprise me if the craziest scenario played out.  Something like Macon goes pro, Gafford comes in and is absolutely dominant, and Beard steps up and plays like All SEC guard. Hogs IMHO are most unpredictable team ever. Lose to teams they should never and beat teams you wouldn't believe.

This hasn't happened too often which needs to change to take the next step.
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Re: Joe Lunardi Way Too Early Bracketology - Arkansas 11-Seed
« Reply #38 on: April 06, 2017, 10:53:11 am »

i think they will make it as well.  I just hope they get some luck/love from the seeding committee though i shouldn't hold my breath.

I mean i love filling out brackets i crushed it this year, only missing on Vilanova.  I wont do a bracket(s) unless the Hogs are in because i do not care otherwise.

They need to make their own luck by not losing to teams like MSu & mizzu.

I still do a bracket just because we have been doing them at home since we got married. Before we had kids, we even found ways to have our dogs pick a bracket, but it is not as much fun as it used to be.
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Re: Joe Lunardi Way Too Early Bracketology - Arkansas 11-Seed
« Reply #39 on: April 07, 2017, 10:08:51 am »

Lunardi did not have us in his April bracket when Moses was checking into the NBA nor after the draft entries decided to come back.  A&M was getting a lot of attention as was MSU.  UK and Fl of course were in. 

This hasn't happened too often which needs to change to take the next step.

That SC road win looks pretty good now though!

(I mean I know that's our only quality win, but I was surprised at how "quality" it ended up being)
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Re: Joe Lunardi Way Too Early Bracketology - Arkansas 11-Seed
« Reply #40 on: April 08, 2017, 07:01:00 pm »

Lunardi did not have us in his April bracket when Moses was checking into the NBA nor after the draft entries decided to come back.  A&M was getting a lot of attention as was MSU.  UK and Fl of course were in. 

This hasn't happened too often which needs to change to take the next step.

How did A&M and MSU end up this year?

This is just opinion at this point not based on any data.

It will only change after we have turned the corner and has zero to contribute towards taking the next step.

I couldn't care less about preseason guesses because they are based in nothing.
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Re: Joe Lunardi Way Too Early Bracketology - Arkansas 11-Seed
« Reply #41 on: April 08, 2017, 09:56:22 pm »

South Carolina won't make the tournament next year.

Dozier, Sylvia and Fielder will be stout,  Not sure who they have coming in.  I'd say they will probably make the tournament.
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Re: Joe Lunardi Way Too Early Bracketology - Arkansas 11-Seed
« Reply #42 on: April 09, 2017, 09:48:41 am »

Lunardi does not quite believe in CMA basketball.
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Re: Joe Lunardi Way Too Early Bracketology - Arkansas 11-Seed
« Reply #43 on: April 09, 2017, 09:53:39 am »

Lunardi does not quite believe in CMA basketball.

Well, he does believe that CMA will be one of 68 coaches to make the NCAA's next year. As a matter of fact, we probably would have been better off as an 11 seed this year.
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Re: Joe Lunardi Way Too Early Bracketology - Arkansas 11-Seed
« Reply #44 on: April 09, 2017, 02:59:28 pm »

How did A&M and MSU end up this year?

This is just opinion at this point not based on any data.

It will only change after we have turned the corner and has zero to contribute towards taking the next step.

I couldn't care less about preseason guesses because they are based in nothing.

You know how they ended up. Why ask me?  I didn't put them in a bracket prediction for last season. 


Beating good teams more consistently won't contribute to taking the next step?  That doesn't make sense. 
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Re: Joe Lunardi Way Too Early Bracketology - Arkansas 11-Seed
« Reply #45 on: April 09, 2017, 04:09:23 pm »

You know how they ended up. Why ask me?  I didn't put them in a bracket prediction for last season. 


Beating good teams more consistently won't contribute to taking the next step?  That doesn't make sense.

Post I responded to said nothing about beating anyone. Only who was talked about.
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Re: Joe Lunardi Way Too Early Bracketology - Arkansas 11-Seed
« Reply #46 on: April 09, 2017, 04:43:37 pm »

Post I responded to said nothing about beating anyone. Only who was talked about.


" beat teams you wouldn't believe."

wheelspigharvey had no issue understanding that part of my post was in response to 311's statement about beating teams you wouldn't believe. 
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Re: Joe Lunardi Way Too Early Bracketology - Arkansas 11-Seed
« Reply #47 on: April 09, 2017, 04:51:42 pm »


" beat teams you wouldn't believe."

wheelspigharvey had no issue understanding that part of my post was in response to 311's statement about beating teams you wouldn't believe.

There are no teams out there that I "wouldn't believe" we could beat nor would I be shocked at any win. We are good enough to get a win anywhere. Now, we need to show the nation.
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Re: Joe Lunardi Way Too Early Bracketology - Arkansas 11-Seed
« Reply #48 on: April 09, 2017, 05:38:11 pm »

11 seed and everybody happy. The bar can't get any lower.
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Re: Joe Lunardi Way Too Early Bracketology - Arkansas 11-Seed
« Reply #49 on: April 09, 2017, 05:39:53 pm »

11 seed and everybody happy. The bar can't get any lower.

What thread are you reading?
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