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Re: NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament Thread - 2017 Edition
« Reply #2600 on: April 02, 2017, 07:31:37 am »

Oh okay, I didn't know it was okay to push a guy out of the way if he was standing straight up.  Sounds like Bell should have bent his knees a little.

I hate carolina, but quit whining. Even Barkley and Kellogg agreed you've gotta put up a fight to get the rebound.

Don't believe me, maybe you'll take this guys word for it.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/19057200/jordan-bell-takes-blame-oregon-ducks-loss-north-carolina-tar-heels
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Re: NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament Thread - 2017 Edition
« Reply #2601 on: April 02, 2017, 09:30:58 am »

Meeks pushed Bell out of position..easy, blatant call.

It didn't look like Meeks pushed, really.  It was more of a bullrush to the ball and he "outmanned" or "outphysicaled" Bell for the rebound.  I've watched the replay of those four missed FTs and two offensive rebounds several times, and I can't really discern any kind of pushing motion by Meeks on the last one.  You could argue that he possibly got away with a body check type of push but, really, he just went and got the ball and out-fought Bell for it.  There wasn't enough there for the refs to really call anything.  And given that we all know there's some unwritten rule that refs tend to call games differently in the final two minutes than they do the first 38, there definitely wasn't enough there for the refs to call anything under those circumstances.
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Re: NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament Thread - 2017 Edition
« Reply #2602 on: April 02, 2017, 10:59:33 am »

I hate carolina, but quit whining. Even Barkley and Kellogg agreed you've gotta put up a fight to get the rebound.

Don't believe me, maybe you'll take this guys word for it.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/19057200/jordan-bell-takes-blame-oregon-ducks-loss-north-carolina-tar-heels
Bell was pushed out of position, that's a foul.  Period.  Not subject to interpretation, or did the guy stand straight up, or not resist enough. 

They always get the calls, they would have been put out by us with proper officiating, but, VOILA..they're still going.  These games mean nothing.  Bogus BS. 

Hope Gonzaga cleans their clock, but figure they'll win it.  Whatever, it means nothing.
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Re: NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament Thread - 2017 Edition
« Reply #2603 on: April 02, 2017, 12:19:40 pm »

Bell was pushed out of position, that's a foul.  Period.  Not subject to interpretation, or did the guy stand straight up, or not resist enough. 

They always get the calls, they would have been put out by us with proper officiating, but, VOILA..they're still going.  These games mean nothing.  Bogus BS. 

Hope Gonzaga cleans their clock, but figure they'll win it.  Whatever, it means nothing.

So I take it you didn't read the article. Take off the blinders.
But I am with you on go Gonzaga.
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Re: NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament Thread - 2017 Edition
« Reply #2604 on: April 02, 2017, 12:49:30 pm »

So I take it you didn't read the article. Take off the blinders.
But I am with you on go Gonzaga.
No need to read the article, Bell not putting up much fight doesn't make it any less of a foul.
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Re: NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament Thread - 2017 Edition
« Reply #2605 on: April 02, 2017, 12:59:09 pm »

No need to read the article, Bell not putting up much fight doesn't make it any less of a foul.


Ok. Bell himself said he cost them the game. Not the refs.
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Re: NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament Thread - 2017 Edition
« Reply #2606 on: April 02, 2017, 01:25:32 pm »

  And given that we all know there's some unwritten rule that refs tend to call games differently for North Carolina.
Fify.
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Re: NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament Thread - 2017 Edition
« Reply #2607 on: April 02, 2017, 01:26:33 pm »


Ok. Bell himself said he cost them the game. Not the refs.
Oh, he played it horribly, no question about that.
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Re: NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament Thread - 2017 Edition
« Reply #2608 on: April 02, 2017, 02:10:49 pm »

Fify.
Ok.  Thanks.

Still, though, there wasn't anything blatant or obvious in regards to a "foul" at the end by Kennedy Meeks.  Bell didn't block out.  On the first one he didn't even kinda sorta block out and Theo Pinson outjumped him for the rebound.  On the second one, Kennedy Meeks, a bigger and stronger player, took advantage of a very weak blockout by Bell and outworked him for the rebound. 

That last sequence had nothing to do with the refs and a contrived conspiracy that they call games differently for them because they're UNC.  It was a result of very poor blocking out by Oregon and very determined play by UNC.
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Re: NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament Thread - 2017 Edition
« Reply #2609 on: April 02, 2017, 03:58:53 pm »

Still like Jim Counce's comment, "I don't wish Dana any ill will.  But I won't be pulling for Oregon in the Final Four". 
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Re: NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament Thread - 2017 Edition
« Reply #2610 on: April 02, 2017, 05:41:06 pm »

Watch the replay from underneath the basket.  Bell takes one step into the lane facing the sidelines.  Meeks then uses his bulk to push him to virtually the other side of the basket.  By rule that's a foul, though arguably it is rarely called.  The push had occurred before the ball was off the rim.  The refs usually only call pushing when the players are in process of going after the ball.  By the time the ball was off the rim Meeks had superior position for the carom.

Blocking out wasn't the problem on the first miss.  Pinson just got off his feet faster.  He was a good step behind Bell.  Bell had played 35 minutes.
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Re: NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament Thread - 2017 Edition
« Reply #2611 on: April 03, 2017, 08:30:53 pm »

Looks like the Zags will have to beat the refs too
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Re: NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament Thread - 2017 Edition
« Reply #2612 on: April 03, 2017, 09:15:35 pm »

UNC can't shoot tonight.  Both teams playing good D but not much quality offense.  UNC needs to keep going inside as outside shots are not falling.  Bulldogs hit 3's in second half they will win.  Should be a good second half. 
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Re: NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament Thread - 2017 Edition
« Reply #2613 on: April 03, 2017, 09:19:58 pm »

UNC can't shoot tonight.  Both teams playing good D but not much quality offense.  UNC needs to keep going inside as outside shots are not falling.  Bulldogs hit 3's in second half they will win.  Should be a good second half.
That pretty much describes what I saw.  Both teams seem tight.  Whoever loosens up first, probably wins.  Screw it!  Go Zags!
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Re: NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament Thread - 2017 Edition
« Reply #2614 on: April 03, 2017, 10:00:27 pm »

The last couple minutes has been some really bad basketball.  Bad shooting, bad passing, out of control, you name it.  It was all bad.  Everyone wants to "be the man".  They need to settle down, and work it inside.  that goes for both teams. 
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Re: NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament Thread - 2017 Edition
« Reply #2615 on: April 03, 2017, 10:15:45 pm »

they need to throw the flagrant 1 and 2 rule in the trash and start over. That was BS, the NC player came up under him and knocked the ball loose. He reaches out to get the ball and the NC player is moving.
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Re: NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament Thread - 2017 Edition
« Reply #2616 on: April 03, 2017, 10:15:49 pm »

Refs have hijacked the damn game.
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Re: NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament Thread - 2017 Edition
« Reply #2617 on: April 03, 2017, 10:16:16 pm »

Well, the officials are starting to turn it on for NC
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Re: NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament Thread - 2017 Edition
« Reply #2618 on: April 03, 2017, 10:16:47 pm »

Foul trouble spells doom for the Zags... UNC will win title on backs of the refs (shocker)  :puke:
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Re: NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament Thread - 2017 Edition
« Reply #2619 on: April 03, 2017, 10:20:27 pm »

Refs have hijacked the damn game.

Exactly.
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Re: NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament Thread - 2017 Edition
« Reply #2620 on: April 03, 2017, 10:21:09 pm »

Refs have hijacked the damn game.

Feels like one of those early season games where a foul is called every few seconds as officials target the season's new points of emphasis.
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Re: NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament Thread - 2017 Edition
« Reply #2621 on: April 03, 2017, 10:21:34 pm »

can they review something else to kill the flow of the game
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Re: NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament Thread - 2017 Edition
« Reply #2622 on: April 03, 2017, 10:25:46 pm »

Make your damn free throws, Gonzaga.
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Re: NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament Thread - 2017 Edition
« Reply #2623 on: April 03, 2017, 10:26:47 pm »

is Raftery dating Roy Williams?
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Re: NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament Thread - 2017 Edition
« Reply #2624 on: April 03, 2017, 10:27:33 pm »

The only dating Raftery is associated with is carbon.
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Re: NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament Thread - 2017 Edition
« Reply #2625 on: April 03, 2017, 10:28:52 pm »

The only dating Raftery is associated with is carbon.
He preceded carbon dating by a couple of seasons.
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Re: NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament Thread - 2017 Edition
« Reply #2626 on: April 03, 2017, 10:43:11 pm »

Foul trouble spells doom for the Zags... UNC will win title on backs of the refs (shocker)  :puke:
UNC foul shooting was so bad it didn't matter.  That was not a well played game on either side.  I think UNC was the better team but neither one played well tonight.  Jackson had his worst game I have seen him play.  Williams-Goss struggled most of the night.  Hard fought but not well played. 
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Re: NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament Thread - 2017 Edition
« Reply #2627 on: April 04, 2017, 01:01:56 am »

Poorest played and poorest officiated championship game I can remember.
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Re: NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament Thread - 2017 Edition
« Reply #2628 on: April 04, 2017, 03:18:33 am »

I think the outcome shows how close we are as opposed to, feeling like your wandering in the wilderness and no light to be seen...
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Re: NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament Thread - 2017 Edition
« Reply #2629 on: April 04, 2017, 04:10:48 am »

Poorest played and poorest officiated championship game I can remember.

As far as play goes, don't forget the 2011 game between UCONN and Butler. That was atrocious
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Re: NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament Thread - 2017 Edition
« Reply #2630 on: April 04, 2017, 04:31:44 am »

Basketball in football stadiums = bad games
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Re: NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament Thread - 2017 Edition
« Reply #2631 on: April 04, 2017, 06:18:18 am »

Basketball in football stadiums = bad games
I agree. Play it in nice 20,000+ NBA arenas.That's plenty of seats and it would make for much better basketball.
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Re: NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament Thread - 2017 Edition
« Reply #2632 on: April 04, 2017, 06:25:55 am »

I agree. Play it in nice 20,000+ NBA arenas.That's plenty of seats and it would make for much better basketball.

Sadly, that's not what drives the selection of the venues. 

Ticket sales.  Straight cash, homey.
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« Reply #2633 on: April 04, 2017, 01:37:13 pm »

I agree. Play it in nice 20,000+ NBA arenas.That's plenty of seats and it would make for much better basketball.
Unfortunately, when you can play it in a football dome and put 75,000-80,000 butts in the seats, that's always going to win out with the NCAA over a more conducive basketball atmosphere in a 20,000 seat arena.
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Re: NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament Thread - 2017 Edition
« Reply #2634 on: April 05, 2017, 02:27:00 pm »


 Not Jerry Tipton‏ @NotJerryTipton Apr 3

Meanwhile, here's an actual paper written by an actual UNC basketball player.

It got an A.

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