SEC pride vs. Big 12 pride

[rogersvillemohog]

Hogville members - don't push those guys over there...they respond with gay porn.

I was going to get my own handle over there, but then I read the user agreements (I know, I never do that) and it said, "No trolling" 

[rogersvillemohog]

http://glbta.tamu.edu/main.php

HAHAHAHAHAHA! Oh my! That may be the funniest thing I've ever seen!

[SRFL]

HAHAHAHAHAHA! Oh my! That may be the funniest thing I've ever seen!

I think their motto is "Bang the drum slooooooooowly..."

[rogersvillemohog]

I think their motto is "Bang the drum slooooooooowly..."

Or maybe Faggie Yell... 

[SRFL]

Or maybe Faggie Yell... 

[rogersvillemohog]

Is it too early to start a Faggie joke thread? 

[SRFL]

Is it too early to start a Faggie joke thread? 

One was started last September...

http://www.todaysthv.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=71741

[RedSatinHog]

A&M is mad because WE GOT AWAY FORM PLAYING TEXAS SCHOOLS. we were the bastard child of the SWC because we were not in Texas. i for one am proud we got out of that conference and away from those teams or we might be EXACTLY where A&M is.

+1.  Hammer, meet head of nail.

[NWASooner]

Florida is the best D-I football state in the Union. Their top 3 teams can take any other state's top three teams in terms of tradition, power, and excellence. Their top 3 teams are all NC winning teams with winning history.

Florida Top 3: Florida Gators, Miami, FSU
California Top 3: USC, UCLA, Stanford
Texas Top 3: Texas Longhorns, Texas Tech, Texas A&M
Arkansas Top 3: Arkansas Razorbacks, UCA, ASU Redwolves

I'm not talking about football.  For everything Florida offers, I can get that in another state without the suckage that is Florida.

As for all the chest bumping on this thread about the SEC vs. the Big 12, keep in mind Arkansas' record against Big 12 since it's inception isn't that great.  A&M is awful right and if you don't beat them, conference smack should be banned on this board forever.

[RedSatinHog]

The northern and northwestern parts of FL are the sections most closely associated with the deep south, and it is for good reason--they are where the folks from LA (lower Alabama), Tennessee, Kentucky and Georgia tend to settle at when they relocate from their home states.

Anything south of a parallel line from the gulf coast and Atlantic coast, running just south of Gainesville is generally a mixture of immigrants and migrated folks from the northeast.

That said, NOWHERE in Big XII land will you find what Florida has to offer.

[ncnd]

No, we just take into consideration your remarks about Clemson winning an NC under Hatfield.  That tells us everything we need to know about your knowledge of CFB.

But look at it this way:  If A&M had joined the SEC, they'd be a perennial doormat in the conference. 

That quote is not mine. Its taken directly from the Texas Ags website.

[Big Papa Satan]

Most of the S-E-C chants didn't really start until the last 5-6 years, around the time when really took over as the POWER conference.

It was heard in Charlotte in 1994 after we took down Dook.

[Jborohog09]

It was heard in Charlotte in 1994 after we took down Dook.

indeed it was, and after we beat Arizona.

[Root66]

That quote is not mine. Its taken directly from the Texas Ags website.

Are you also a habitual liar?

Which is Odd because once Hatfield bolted to Clemson he actually won a national championship. At this point I along with Broyles realized Arkansas was not a school that was possible to win a national championship at. Therefore he moved us from the now defunct SWC because he saw the writing on the wall. Stop blaming coaches and realize in 1990 We WERE POOR OLD ARKANSAS.
How else does a mediocre coach go less than .5000 during his stint at Arkansas and win a NC in Clemson: through piss poor recruiting and falling into talent.

[ncnd]

Are you also a habitual liar?

I made a mistake. Nonetheless a coach was successful at Arkansas than he moved to Clemson went 10-2 and won the National Championship, doesn't change that fact one bit.

[farmhawg]

I made a mistake. Nonetheless a coach was successful at Arkansas than he moved to Clemson went 10-2 and won the National Championship, doesn't change that fact one bit.

You were what 2? what the hell are you talking about you and Broyles?

[NWASooner]

The northern and northwestern parts of FL are the sections most closely associated with the deep south, and it is for good reason--they are where the folks from LA (lower Alabama), Tennessee, Kentucky and Georgia tend to settle at when they relocate from their home states.

Anything south of a parallel line from the gulf coast and Atlantic coast, running just south of Gainesville is generally a mixture of immigrants and migrated folks from the northeast.

That said, NOWHERE in Big XII land will you find what Florida has to offer.

Except Texas and Texas is far superior to Florida.  Florida has better beaches but that's about it.  As far as cities go, Dallas, Austin, Kansas City, St. Louis, and Denver are all better than any city in Florida.  Unless you have big money and can live on a beach, Florida is the suck.

[Root66]

I made a mistake. Nonetheless a coach was successful at Arkansas than he moved to Clemson went 10-2 and won the National Championship, doesn't change that fact one bit.

Was his name Danny Ford?

Now say this slowly. I do not know what I am talking about. I know not what I say or why I say it. I am trying to fit in here at Hogville but everytime I make another weird statement, I dig myself in deeper.

Now ask the admins this...

Mr. Admins, is there a way I can change my handle and just start all over again?

[RedSatinHog]

I made a mistake. Nonetheless a coach was successful at Arkansas than he moved to Clemson went 10-2 and won the National Championship, doesn't change that fact one bit.

Ken Hatfield never won a national championship.  In fact, the closest he ever came to doing so was a #9 finish after winning the Hall of Fame Bowl.  He is the only coach to ever leave Arkansas for Clemson, and he never won a national title.

If it is Danny Ford you're referring to, all that tells everyone who was actually doing something other than sucking a bottle or crapping a diaper at the time, is that you have your facts backwards.  Danny Ford won that national title at Clemson years before he ever landed at Arkansas in the wake of the firing of Jack Crowe.  He did not leave Arkansas, then go 10-2 and win a national title.

[HogDom]

Just to see how accurate this thread is, last night at a gas station I noticed a KState fan with a big tattoo on his arm. I (being 100% sober) began to chant SEC! SEC! SEC!, for some reason this didn't even warrant a Big12! Big12! Big12! Something must be in the water over there...

[RedSatinHog]

Except Texas and Texas is far superior to Florida.  Florida has better beaches but that's about it.  As far as cities go, Dallas, Austin, Kansas City, St. Louis, and Denver are all better than any city in Florida.  Unless you have big money and can live on a beach, Florida is the suck.

You can go right ahead and believe that Texas is a better place to live than Florida if you want to, but folks who have lived in Florida know that Texas cannot hold a candle to Florida.  It's true no matter what section of Florida you're talking about.

[Jborohog09]

Let me tell you something about SEC Pride....  Arkansas is the perfect school to illustrate the PRIDE of the SEC.

Arkansas has the 25th largest stadium in the nation.  25th!  That's including Pro stadiums.  We are 8th in our own conference. 

Arkansas has more National Titles in all sports combined than any school in the SEC and is OSTRACIZED for it.

Arkansas has been to the SEC title game in all three major sports in a single season, and it didn't make a bit of difference in the perception of Arkansas from other fans.

The SEC has four coaches with a career winning pct. over .700.  The SEC boasts FIVE of the eleven BCS national Titles.

The SEC has 9 schools NINE that feel they are three or fewer years away from competing for a national title. 

There is a reason the SEC has pride.  Because we have the product to command pride.

EVERY school has something to be proud of in the SEC.  And every school wants to hold it over the other SEC schools.  At least in that, the SEC can band together and collectively flip off the rest of the country.  WE DEMAND excellence.

good post.  +1.

[Big Papa Satan]

and is OSTRACIZED for it.

Say what?

[NWASooner]

You can go right ahead and believe that Texas is a better place to live than Florida if you want to, but folks who have lived in Florida know that Texas cannot hold a candle to Florida.  It's true no matter what section of Florida you're talking about.

Florida is losing total population every year.  Texas isn't.  That should tell you everything you need to know.  It doesn't matter what section of Florida you're talking about.

[SRFL]

I made a mistake. Nonetheless a coach was successful at Arkansas than he moved to Clemson went 10-2 and won the National Championship, doesn't change that fact one bit.

I have no words...

[Pa-Paw]

What would HOGVILLE.NET be without its monthly "B12"thread? You are going to break your necks if you keep looking over your shoulders.

[RedSatinHog]

Florida is losing total population every year.  Texas isn't.  That should tell you everything you need to know.  It doesn't matter what section of Florida you're talking about.

Now ask yourself what lies to the immediate southern border of the state of Texas?  After you look at a map and answer that question, one of the big reasons why Texas' population is expanding should be fairly apparent.

As for Florida's supposed loss of population without regard to where in the state you're talking about, I suggest you look at the northwest part of the state.  The Panhandle region looks absolutely nothing like it did 15 years ago.  The area between Destin and Panama City was a large expanse of nothing 15 years ago.  Today, it's like you never leave one without getting into the city limits of the other.

Another factoid buried in what you just claimed.  Florida's population actually increased by nearly 1.5 million people from 2000 to the present, and has actually doubled since 1980.

[NWASooner]

Texas' population has posted similar gains.  As far as it being all Hispanic, remember the Hispanics were there before Texas.  Visit the Alamo sometime and you'll be surprised at the percentage of Hispanics that fought against Santa Anna.  (Texas' population growth is among all demographic groups, though.)

Florida's population decrease has started in the last few years.  Young people aren't moving there anymore and old people are leaving.  They even have a term for them.  It's "halfbackers."  They retire and move to South Florida and realize that it sucks ass.  They still want to live in a warm place so they move "halfway" back home and end up in the Carolinas or East Tennessee or someplace like that.  They realize the weather and traffic suck and it's a lot expensive than they thought.  Sure, there's no state income tax but the property taxes and homeowners insurance are huge.  (Thank you, hurricanes.)

Like I said, for whatever Florida can offer, I can get that somewhere else without the downside.  Lots of other people have realized the same thing.

[RedSatinHog]

Texas' population has posted similar gains.  As far as it being all Hispanic, remember the Hispanics were there before Texas.  Visit the Alamo sometime and you'll be surprised at the percentage of Hispanics that fought against Santa Anna.  (Texas' population growth is among all demographic groups, though.)

I ain't talking about the folks who originally settled Texas.  I'm referring to the illegal border crossers.  Say whatever you will, but you guys have as bad a problem with it as California does.


Florida's population decrease has started in the last few years.  Young people aren't moving there anymore and old people are leaving.  They even have a term for them.  It's "halfbackers."  They retire and move to South Florida and realize that it sucks ass.  They still want to live in a warm place so they move "halfway" back home and end up in the Carolinas or East Tennessee or someplace like that.  They realize the weather and traffic suck and it's a lot expensive than they thought.  Sure, there's no state income tax but the property taxes and homeowners insurance are huge.  (Thank you, hurricanes.)

Florida residents' get a tax exemption on the first $25K of personal property.  Also, having lived in NW Florida, I can tell you that the property insurance there was anything but "huge".  Incidentally, I lived in the same area that was directly hit by hurricanes Erin, Opal, and Georges, among many others.

Even still, their population has risen by nearly a half million people every year for the past 5 years, so where you get that their population has "decreased" is beyond me.

Like I said, for whatever Florida can offer, I can get that somewhere else without the downside.  Lots of other people have realized the same thing.

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[Jabroni]

I ain't talking about the folks who originally settled Texas.  I'm referring to the illegal border crossers.  Say whatever you will, but you guys have as bad a problem with it as California does.

Que?

[NWASooner]

Even still, their population has risen by nearly a half million people every year for the past 5 years, so where you get that their population has "decreased" is beyond me.

Well, since you asked:

http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB119100802312142956.html

But for Americans on the move, Florida has become a less-appealing destination. Moving company Atlas Van Lines brought 6,700 families into Florida last year and took 8,000 out, the first time it has moved more out than in. The number of people from other states who switch to a Florida driver's license is down more than 8% from last year. And the state's crowded schools actually lost students last year, prompting many counties to cut back on their construction schedule and, in some cases, look to close schools. While foreigners continue to arrive at a rate of about 100,000 year, migration from inside the country is slowing.

[GolfnHog]

Sure, there's no state income tax but the property taxes and homeowners insurance are huge.  (Thank you, hurricanes.)

And you don't think Texas doesn't have high property taxes and homeowners insurance? Newsflash, Texas has some of the highest in both damn categories and they also have friggin hurricanes.  I am living proof that survival of the the 3 is doable, but it comes at a price.

[SRFL]

Well, since you asked:

http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB119100802312142956.html

[Dwight_K_Shrute]

Well, since you asked:

http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB119100802312142956.html

This chart does not show a population decline, it just shows that their rate of growth is slowing.  But Florida's rate of growth is still higher than the national average.  Another thing to remember is that as it grows the % change is now up against a greater denominator which will naturally slow the rate of change. They could actually be adding more people than they did 10 years ago but the % change is less.

With that being said, I'm originally from Florida but left 25 years ago.  I lived in the Orlando area.  I consider from just North of O-Town on down one giant strip mall.  I had to spend about 3 weeks there a few months ago.  Watch there news it's nothing but home invasions, child molesters, gang banging, etc and so forth.  You can have it.

From Gainesville north and west is a lot different than the rest of the state and is more like a traditional SEC area. 

[Pa-Paw]

Texas is booming because of the high rate of taxes in California and the New England states. Also, Houston will soon, if it hasn't already, replace Chicago as the third largest city in the U.S. of A. As far as property taxes, it just depends where you live in Texas. 

[socalhogcaller]

Aggies are Franking pissing me off

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I will thank arkansas for defeating santa anna after they apologize for not being able to defend their own state during the civil war. Texas was the ONLY unconquered state when the civil war ended (see Palmito Ranch). We only surrendered months after the war ended (june 19th) because 12 other LOSER sec states like arkansas couldn't prevent the yankees from overrunning their LOSER states and it was pointless to be a confederacy of 1 state.

The moral: TEXAS >>>>>>> sec states.

Also, arky fans, don't you hate it when schools that have only been sec members for 20 years and spent most of their history in a different conference act as if they have always been in the sec and have a big history with other sec schools?

Probably the most redneck post I've ever read.  Oh, and by the way, when we left the SWC, it fell apart.  Get used to it...the South lost the war, all humans are now considered equal, we dumped you and your sorry other 7 texass schools and texass is still Oklahoma's bitch.

[NWASooner]

This chart does not show a population decline

Did you actually read the article that it came from? 

After decades of booming population growth, Florida is experience declines because it has inherent structural problems in it's economy.  It's too reliant on retirees and tourism.  (The real estate and financial services industries exist to service the retirees.)  Tourism will make a comeback but the baby boomers are the next wave of retirees and they've underfunded retirement for years now and that was before the stock market implosion.  Millions of baby boomers are not going to be moving to Florida for a whole list of reasons.

The big money types will always buy places in Florida but to expect millions of people to keep retiring there in this economy is a huge stretch.

Either way, Texas > Florida and it's not even close.

[Fisticuffs]

But Florida has Panama...

[Dwight_K_Shrute]

Did you actually read the article that it came from? 

After decades of booming population growth, Florida is experience declines because it has inherent structural problems in it's economy.  It's too reliant on retirees and tourism.  (The real estate and financial services industries exist to service the retirees.)  Tourism will make a comeback but the baby boomers are the next wave of retirees and they've underfunded retirement for years now and that was before the stock market implosion.  Millions of baby boomers are not going to be moving to Florida for a whole list of reasons.

The big money types will always buy places in Florida but to expect millions of people to keep retiring there in this economy is a huge stretch.

Either way, Texas > Florida and it's not even close.

Did you actually look at the graph or the data.  Their population is not in decline.  Their rate of growth or expansion is slowing down.  They may have grown 25% of the past decade say from 2000 over 1990 for example, and now say from 2008 to 1998 they are only growing at maybe 15%.  That does not mean they are losing people it just means the rate of growth has slowed.

It has nothing to do with Texas being greater or not.  Texas has 10x's the land area and basically the same climate.  It is more centrally located with in the US and it's western border isn't that far from Cali and eastern border touches the gulf.  It has greater natural resources than Florida and a more diverse economy.  It Texas were not greater than Florida then they would really suck.

[NWASooner]

OK, more links that no one will click on:

http://www.miamiherald.com/486/story/1122011.html

Twenty-nine cities in Broward and Palm Beach counties lost residents between mid-2007 and mid-2008 as the exodus from Florida continued.

[RedSatinHog]

Sooner,

Let me just tell you that most of the folks who made the "exodus" from FL in that article are folks who bought themselves into more house than they could have afforded in the first place (common across much of the country), then lost their jobs, retirement funds, etc. during the market meltdown and were forced to move elsewhere.  It's just a fact.

Trust me, it has happened in Texas, as well.  The only difference between FL and TX is that FL doesn't share a huge southern border with a country which is full of tens of thousands of starving people and drug runners who are doing anything they can think of to get into the U.S.

[McKdaddy]

We should start a "where would you rather live b/t texas & florida" poll.  I like the state of texas, but would choose florida in a heartbeat over texas.  Both have their ample problems (and perhaps florida's problems are more in the news right now) but if I had to live in a hot, humid environment . . . I'd rather do it in florida than texas.

[drivetimeporks]

U

Now ask yourself what lies to the immediate southern border of the state of Texas?  After you look at a map and answer that question, one of the big reasons why Texas' population is expanding should be fairly apparent.

As for Florida's supposed loss of population without regard to where in the state you're talking about, I suggest you look at the northwest part of the state.  The Panhandle region looks absolutely nothing like it did 15 years ago.  The area between Destin and Panama City was a large expanse of nothing 15 years ago.  Today, it's like you never leave one without getting into the city limits of the other.

Another factoid buried in what you just claimed.  Florida's population actually increased by nearly 1.5 million people from 2000 to the present, and has actually doubled since 1980.

UT should be  fielding some  hellacious field goal kickerts from here on in

[drivetimeporks]

UUT should be  fielding some  hellacious field goal kickerts from here on in

my first post in ages and i misspelled "kickers" , thats why we have OOC topics in  july

[Pa-Paw]

Sooner,

Let me just tell you that most of the folks who made the "exodus" from FL in that article are folks who bought themselves into more house than they could have afforded in the first place (common across much of the country), then lost their jobs, retirement funds, etc. during the market meltdown and were forced to move elsewhere.  It's just a fact.

Trust me, it has happened in Texas, as well.  The only difference between FL and TX is that FL doesn't share a huge southern border with a country which is full of tens of thousands of starving people and drug runners who are doing anything they can think of to get into the U.S.

The drug runners and starving have been flooding into Florida by boat for years and years.

[Theolesnort]

NCND, I don't stir or troll TA.com.  I've been there a long long time only the normal userID is not SRFL.  Second point/question is this:  What's it to ya?  I represent Arkansas...no one else.  Can you say the same?

Actually SRFL though you said a mouthful as far as I'm concerned you could have said a lot more. Who said we lost the War? We retreated and have been repositioning ourselves and we (theSouth) are doing just fine. We've already stolen the North's big industries and turning the place up there into a rust belt. And as far as the other southern states losing the war while the state of Texas remained undefeated. Well a lot of people from Arkansas were with Lee at Gettysburg. Shame on Texas, Lee could have used those fine undefeated Texas soldiers in the front of the charge at Cemetery Ridge. And as for thanks for defeating Santa Anna at San Jacinta, well we will let that go but they need to thank all those Arkies and Tenn people in their graves at the Alamo for sure. But I regress. What really bothered me was the way they disparaged our SEC brethren. For instance how can you compare a Alabama fan looking down their noses to a Longhorn? Don't they know nothing? You can't hold it against Alabama fans, they are all insane and can't be held accountable for their actions. Well I could go on and on but I guess I had better stop because I feel my neck getting redder by the minute. But have at it.

[Root66]

Actually SRFL though you said a mouthful as far as I'm concerned you could have said a lot more. Who said we lost the War? We retreated and have been repositioning ourselves and we (theSouth) are doing just fine. We've already stolen the North's big industries and turning the place up there into a rust belt. And as far as the other southern states losing the war while the state of Texas remained undefeated. Well a lot of people from Arkansas were with Lee at Gettysburg. Shame on Texas, Lee could have used those fine undefeated Texas soldiers in the front of the charge at Cemetery Ridge. And as for thanks for defeating Santa Anna at San Jacinta, well we will let that go but they need to thank all those Arkies and Tenn people in their graves at the Alamo for sure. But I regress. What really bothered me was the way they disparaged our SEC brethren. For instance how can you compare a Alabama fan looking down their noses to a Longhorn? Don't they know nothing? You can't hold it against Alabama fans, they are all insane and can't be held accountable for their actions. Well I could go on and on but I guess I had better stop because I feel my neck getting redder by the minute. But have at it.

[Theolesnort]

Root:

The more I read you the more I love you.   But we lost that war, no matter how bad it hurts.  Sure Lincoln didn't play fair, with that Emancipation Proclomation, when the war really wasn't about that, but we lost my brother.   Maybe the South has, or will, rise again, but we lost that one.

Hey Buddy, as Yogi sez..... "It ain't over til it's over" or to be more succinct, " It ain't over until the fat lady sings." 

[Hog Leg]

You don't see New Yorkers in Tampa or Ft. Myers

I lived in Fort Myers for 10+ years before returning home to AR.  I'm here to tell you that I saw more NY license plates than FL.  Now there may have been "blue hairs" driving them but they were, and still are there in force.
This is my first post on the boards, glad to be a part of the community. 

[McKdaddy]

This is my first post on the boards, glad to be a part of the community. 

Welcome aboard.  If you want to ingratiate yourself to the board, posts with strong opinions concerning black unis, black helmets, old turf vs. new turf, stadium debate would be welcomed.