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hawgsawjimdugan

Anyone know how the recruitment of Joe's little bro is going?  Has an offer from the Hogs among several other BCS programs and lists us as "high interest" along with Bama.  Measureables may not be eye-popping at this point in time, but the bloodlines are there.

http://arkansas.scout.com/a.z?s=10&p=8&c=1&nid=3432323


gohogsgo006

im not overally impressed with what his brother has done at USC
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Zen_Hog

Quote from: gohogsgo006 on July 08, 2009, 04:12:28 pm
im not overally impressed with what his brother has done at USC

Same. He was suppose to be the next Reggie Bush.

Guess not.

Tammany Tom

He will most likely play safety at the college level. From folks that follow Curtis football, he is not nearly as good as his brother was.

From everything I've heard he favors Bama. Saban has a good relationship with J.T. Curtis and Saban will always give a Curtis player a good long look in respect for J.T. However, word is that he very well could be a back-burner, plan B recruit for Bama.

LSU will be taking a look at him at their July camp in a couple of weeks. However, LSU already has 3 safeties committed for the 2010 class (Eric Reed, Sam Gibson, and Ronnie Vinson), so no room at the Inn at LSU. One other thing to note concerning LSU and McKnight: There is no relationship, whatsoever, between them. He lives 60 miles from campus and has never stepped foot on the campus before. 

He says that Ole Miss and Arkansas are recruiting him the hardest. My guess is he is Bama's if they want him (Emphasize if they want him). If Bama does slow play him, which is suggested they very well could, then Ole Miss, Arkansas, or any other school that will chase him hard enough can and should get him.

hawgsawjimdugan

Nice info Tammany Tom.  Appreciate it, man.

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July 08, 2009, 04:58:48 pm #5 Last Edit: July 08, 2009, 05:02:17 pm by Woo_Pig_Stewie
Quote from: hawgsawjimdugan on July 08, 2009, 03:46:40 pm
Anyone know how the recruitment of Joe's little bro is going?  Has an offer from the Hogs among several other BCS programs and lists us as "high interest" along with Bama.  Measureables may not be eye-popping at this point in time, but the bloodlines are there.

http://arkansas.scout.com/a.z?s=10&p=8&c=1&nid=3432323



We are in his top 2 (Alabama, Arkansas) he is not going to play the RB position at the next level... he is a CB/S.   Tennessee, Nebraska, LSU & Ole Miss are his other BCS offers.  Florida State is close to offering.

He is the reason Anterio Sloan has yet to get a offer because the Coaches believe him to be a better prospect. He has been attending Saban's camp the past 2 yrs so he does have a connection with them.
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LJHOG

well if he ain't good enuff for bama or lsu then he ain't what we're lookin' for either.  say what you will about saban, but he does know defense and DB's in particular.

japhog

Quote from: Woo_Pig_Stewie on July 08, 2009, 04:58:48 pm
We are in his top 2 (Alabama, Arkansas) he is not going to play the RB position at the next level... he is a CB/S.   Tennessee, Nebraska, LSU & Ole Miss are his other BCS offers.  Florida State is close to offering.

He is the reason Anterio Sloan has yet to get a offer because the Coaches believe him to be a better prospect. He has been attending Saban's camp the past 2 yrs so he does have a connection with them.

you may be right about the reason sloan does not have an offer, but we have offers out to numerous other cb's...

hawgsmellgud

Quote from: hawgsawjimdugan on July 08, 2009, 04:50:09 pm
Nice info Tammany Tom.  Appreciate it, man.


for sure... I really can't stand LSU as an opponent, but you do bring great info to the board. Overall I enjoy the LSU fans, all can party hard and most are very cool.
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The_Bionic_Pig

Quote from: japhog on July 09, 2009, 08:25:21 am
you may be right about the reason sloan does not have an offer, but we have offers out to numerous other cb's...


I mean't to say one of the reason's  - not the reason - my bad!  ;)
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eminem

Quote from: Tammany Tom on July 08, 2009, 04:44:37 pm
LSU will be taking a look at him at their July camp in a couple of weeks. However, LSU already has 3 safeties committed for the 2010 class (Eric Reed, Sam Gibson, and Ronnie Vinson), so no room at the Inn at LSU. 

This helps with Matthews as well as it appears he won't receive an LSU offer

bigdaddyhawg

Quote from: gohogsgo006 on July 08, 2009, 04:12:28 pm
im not overally impressed with what his brother has done at USC
Quote from: 350Z on July 08, 2009, 04:38:29 pm
Same. He was suppose to be the next Reggie Bush.

Guess not.

I think this kid, Joe that is, has been a victim of Pete Carroll and the system out there.  They have had so much talent in that backfield, and Carroll promises those great recruits they will play, so if wants to continue to get those types of kids he'd better play them all, which is what he's done.

But I see McKnight, Joe that is, as being a kid who needs to be a featured back and get 25-30 carries a game.  In the games I've seen when he's gotten that many carries he gets stronger as the game wears on and he begins to show his elite talent.

Plus, he's got another year to show what he can do, so it's not over yet for this guy.
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yraciv

Quote from: bigdaddyhawg on July 09, 2009, 04:30:49 pm
I think this kid, Joe that is, has been a victim of Pete Carroll and the system out there.  They have had so much talent in that backfield, and Carroll promises those great recruits they will play, so if wants to continue to get those types of kids he'd better play them all, which is what he's done.

But I see McKnight, Joe that is, as being a kid who needs to be a featured back and get 25-30 carries a game.  In the games I've seen when he's gotten that many carries he gets stronger as the game wears on and he begins to show his elite talent.

Plus, he's got another year to show what he can do, so it's not over yet for this guy.

Joe McKnight got 7 yards a carry last year.  He is every much as good as advertised, just a victim of too many good RB in the system.

 

hawgsav1

Quote from: Tammany Tom on July 08, 2009, 04:44:37 pm
He will most likely play safety at the college level. From folks that follow Curtis football, he is not nearly as good as his brother was.

From everything I've heard he favors Bama. Saban has a good relationship with J.T. Curtis and Saban will always give a Curtis player a good long look in respect for J.T. However, word is that he very well could be a back-burner, plan B recruit for Bama.

LSU will be taking a look at him at their July camp in a couple of weeks. However, LSU already has 3 safeties committed for the 2010 class (Eric Reed, Sam Gibson, and Ronnie Vinson), so no room at the Inn at LSU. One other thing to note concerning LSU and McKnight: There is no relationship, whatsoever, between them. He lives 60 miles from campus and has never stepped foot on the campus before. 

He says that Ole Miss and Arkansas are recruiting him the hardest. My guess is he is Bama's if they want him (Emphasize if they want him). If Bama does slow play him, which is suggested they very well could, then Ole Miss, Arkansas, or any other school that will chase him hard enough can and should get him.

Out of curiosity, doesn't John Curtis's coach have a little bit of a beef with Les Miles or he doesn't like LSU or something?  I could have sworn that I heard that he was often attempting to steer his players away from LSU. 
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sickboy

Quote from: yraciv on July 09, 2009, 04:56:23 pm
Joe McKnight got 7 yards a carry last year.  He is every much as good as advertised, just a victim of too many good RB in the system.

On 89 carries.  Michael Smith carried the ball 207 carries.  If Joe McKnight would have carried the ball as many times as Michael Smith he would have run for 1,531 yards.  That's elite talent to me. 

Tammany Tom

Quote from: hawgsav1 on July 09, 2009, 04:59:27 pm
Out of curiosity, doesn't John Curtis's coach have a little bit of a beef with Les Miles or he doesn't like LSU or something?  I could have sworn that I heard that he was often attempting to steer his players away from LSU. 

That rumor has been out there for quite some time. There are numerous LSU fans that swear that J. T. Curtis hates LSU. But, I have never bought into that argument. J.T.'s sons, Steve and Matt, both attended LSU as walkons. Our current Strength and Conditioning coach, Tommy Moffit was the S & C coach at Curtis. Moffitt has had 6 former Curtis players work for him on the LSU S & C staff since he was hired in 2000. LSU has had 17 former Curtis players that have played for LSU.

There is absolutely no way a private school in suburban New Orleans could survive if the Owner and Head Coach was anti-LSU. Way too many parents that send their kids to Curtis and financially contribute to Curtis are huge LSU fans.

TomasPistola

Don't I remember reading somewhere that Joe McKnight was originally gonna commit or was close to committing to LSU but said their fans were stalkers and he went to USC instead?
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hawgsav1

Quote from: TomasPistola on July 09, 2009, 10:36:33 pm
Don't I remember reading somewhere that Joe McKnight was originally gonna commit or was close to committing to LSU but said their fans were stalkers and he went to USC instead?

It was more of an 11th hour change of heart.  I don't think it had anything to do with his dislike of the LSU fans.  Most people thought he was leaning towards LSU or even Alabama, but USC sort of came in at the last hour and did some funny business to steal him away. 
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TomasPistola

QuoteKentucky self-reported a secondary violation a couple of years ago after some of its basketball fans went overboard on then-recruit Patrick Patterson's MySpace page. (Patterson, of course, still ended up signing with the Wildcats.) Mega-recruit Joe McKnight has said that he chose to play football at USC in part because LSU fans turned him off with their obsessive cyberstalking.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/columns/story?columnist=bennett_brian&id=4311480


Haha. It was an ESPN article I read earlier today. Knew I'd seen it somewhere.
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hawgsav1

Quote from: TomasPistola on July 09, 2009, 10:51:19 pm
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/columns/story?columnist=bennett_brian&id=4311480


Haha. It was an ESPN article I read earlier today. Knew I'd seen it somewhere.

There was also a definite recruiting violation on USC's part as well.  Carroll had Reggie Bush go talk to McKnight and try to convince him to come out here (apparently it worked as well).
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Tammany Tom

Quote from: TomasPistola on July 09, 2009, 10:36:33 pm
Don't I remember reading somewhere that Joe McKnight was originally gonna commit or was close to committing to LSU but said their fans were stalkers and he went to USC instead?

Quote from: hawgsav1 on July 09, 2009, 10:45:18 pm
It was more of an 11th hour change of heart.  I don't think it had anything to do with his dislike of the LSU fans.  Most people thought he was leaning towards LSU or even Alabama, but USC sort of came in at the last hour and did some funny business to steal him away. 

The media made it sound like it was an 11th hour change of heart, but McKnight was never going to LSU. He wanted to go out of state and  never wanted any part of LSU. He did the politically correct thing in saying that he was interested in LSU, but never had any aspirations of going there.

He had a miserable childhood in New Orleans and wanted to get out of state. USC offered him the glamour of Hollywood and he wanted to major in communications. It really was a good fit for him.

Him going to USC and spurning LSU created all the Curtis hates LSU rumors. The fact is that McKnight never wanted to visit LSU and J.T. Curtis pursuaded him to visit. His visit that summer didn't go well and he was all USC from that point on. The only thing is the media was led to believe that LSU actually had a chance with him when they never did.

hawgsav1

Quote from: Tammany Tom on July 10, 2009, 11:31:19 am
The media made it sound like it was an 11th hour change of heart, but McKnight was never going to LSU. He wanted to go out of state and  never wanted any part of LSU. He did the politically correct thing in saying that he was interested in LSU, but never had any aspirations of going there.

He had a miserable childhood in New Orleans and wanted to get out of state. USC offered him the glamour of Hollywood and he wanted to major in communications. It really was a good fit for him.

Him going to USC and spurning LSU created all the Curtis hates LSU rumors. The fact is that McKnight never wanted to visit LSU and J.T. Curtis pursuaded him to visit. His visit that summer didn't go well and he was all USC from that point on. The only thing is the media was led to believe that LSU actually had a chance with him when they never did.

Out of curiosity, if that was the case, then why did he pick USC?  Saban was recruiting him really hard, and if he wasn't going to LSU, it seemed like a sure bet that he was going to Alabama.  From my understanding (and information from USC), they didn't really turn on the jets until later in the game. 
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ErieHog

Quote from: yraciv on July 09, 2009, 04:56:23 pm
Joe McKnight got 7 yards a carry last year.  He is every much as good as advertised, just a victim of too many good RB in the system.

McKnight is a scary talent;  the logjam in the USC backfield is *slightly* less this year, so it's entirely possible he may get something resembling a true feature-back's workload.
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prodigalhawg

Is it possible that Arkansas is no longer in his top 2-3, because Coach Petrino has cooled on him in favor of other prospects?

hawgsav1

Quote from: ErieHog on July 15, 2009, 10:45:01 am
McKnight is a scary talent;  the logjam in the USC backfield is *slightly* less this year, so it's entirely possible he may get something resembling a true feature-back's workload.

I think also that the coaches at USC did not utilize him correctly during the few carries he got.  I saw him being used as a power back and a short yardage back, which he is definitely not.  He's an open field talent who can catch the ball and is a home run threat every time he gets the ball in space.  The SC coaches should use Stafon Johnson more up the middle, and perhaps let Joe McKnight work on the outside. 
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The Realist

Joe McKnight has averaged 6.7 yards a carry for his college career.  If the logjam wasn't there people would be comparing him to Reggie Bush. 
http://espndb.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=236598
And he went off in the Rose Bowl his freshman year too...saying Joe McKnight isn't panning out is laughable at best.
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Quote from: sickboy1138.2 on July 09, 2009, 09:13:42 pm
On 89 carries.  Michael Smith carried the ball 207 carries.  If Joe McKnight would have carried the ball as many times as Michael Smith he would have run for 1,531 yards.  That's elite talent to me. 
McKnight is awesome, but you cannot say he would get that many yards. You have to keep in mind the more carries, the more hits you take.

ErieHog

Quote from: rsvl_hogfan4 on July 15, 2009, 09:36:05 pm
McKnight is awesome, but you cannot say he would get that many yards. You have to keep in mind the more carries, the more hits you take.

Eh.  I'd expect him to outperform those numbers, as his YPC tended to improve as he got more carries in a game. 

He's a phenomenal talent, and anyone who's saying he's a bust simply isn't paying any attention.
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Tammany Tom

Quote from: hawgsav1 on July 10, 2009, 03:37:55 pm
Out of curiosity, if that was the case, then why did he pick USC?  Saban was recruiting him really hard, and if he wasn't going to LSU, it seemed like a sure bet that he was going to Alabama.  From my understanding (and information from USC), they didn't really turn on the jets until later in the game. 

Saban wasn't hired by Alabama until January 3rd, which was only 1 month prior to NSD when McKnight signed with USC. Saban tried to get in on him, but was way to late in the game and Bama never had a shot at McKnight. You might be confusing Bama's recruitment with that of Ole Miss and Oregeron. McKnight's final 3 teams were USC, LSU, and Ole Miss. The book Meat Market is all about the recruitment of McKnight and other prospects by the Ole Miss staff.

McKnight attended USC's Rising Stars Camp in July prior to his senior season. That is when McKnight fell in love with USC and pretty much made up his mind where he was going. He never committed to them, because of all the intense pressure being put on him from LSU fans in the New Orleans area. The pressure was extremely intense for McKnight to sign with LSU and it would have been very difficult on him to commit early to an out of state program.

There were rumblings and signs early on that McKnight was going to USC after their summer camp. But the Louisiana media and LSU fans just didn't want to see them. Plus, McKnight and Curtis was playing very coy with the LSU coaching staff. That last point is why LSU fans to this day hate Curtis. They felt that he misled the LSU coaching staff and should have made McKnights intentions clear to the staff.

hawgsav1

Quote from: Tammany Tom on July 15, 2009, 10:03:10 pm
Saban wasn't hired by Alabama until January 3rd, which was only 1 month prior to NSD when McKnight signed with USC. Saban tried to get in on him, but was way to late in the game and Bama never had a shot at McKnight. You might be confusing Bama's recruitment with that of Ole Miss and Oregeron. McKnight's final 3 teams were USC, LSU, and Ole Miss. The book Meat Market is all about the recruitment of McKnight and other prospects by the Ole Miss staff.

McKnight attended USC's Rising Stars Camp in July prior to his senior season. That is when McKnight fell in love with USC and pretty much made up his mind where he was going. He never committed to them, because of all the intense pressure being put on him from LSU fans in the New Orleans area. The pressure was extremely intense for McKnight to sign with LSU and it would have been very difficult on him to commit early to an out of state program.

There were rumblings and signs early on that McKnight was going to USC after their summer camp. But the Louisiana media and LSU fans just didn't want to see them. Plus, McKnight and Curtis was playing very coy with the LSU coaching staff. That last point is why LSU fans to this day hate Curtis. They felt that he misled the LSU coaching staff and should have made McKnights intentions clear to the staff.

You're probably right.  I think the reason I was getting mixed up was because I remember reading about him, and when Rivals did their "predicted signing" column,  the majority of the Rivals experts picked LSU, with a few thinking that Bama would sign him.  USC wasn't even on the list. 
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i think gettin joes bro. even if he isnt projected as high as joe was shows that ark can b in the mix for big names throughout the country...at least it appears that way to the media...oh wow ark. greg odens brother...michael smiths cousin is coming...wingo was a prep ath...and we have a chance to get his cousin....have a chance to get another michael smith cousin this yr...chance for atwater's son...chance for dyer...big names can lead to big things wether these kids come or pan out or whatever...them having ark on there list and being made public through recruiting agencys and what not is starting to make the ua a bit more attractive...how good petrinos offense works this yr will play a huge part in the future here on the hill
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Ole Miss was a lot closer to getting McKnight than people realize. 
It was USC, Ole Miss, then LSU
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