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hawgsav1

Wright showed flashes of potential last season to be a big play threat.  His reception average was about 18 yards per reception.  He also seemed to turn it on in November, with more than 2/3 of his receiving yards and receptions coming later in the year. If he can become a bit more consistent, he has a chance to shine.  He showcased his big play ability with a 70 yard reception for a TD.

Joe Adams was also pretty solid, but seemed like he hit a bit of a rookie wall later in the year, with only 45 yards receiving and 6/31 receptions coming in November.  For the most part, he averaged about 12-13 yards per reception throughout the year, but later in the year it dropped to 7.5 yards per reception.  He seemed like a good solid player, albeit not a burner or a game breaker.  He just seems like your typical tough workhorse receiver (which isn't a bad thing at all). 
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MuskogeeHogFan

Quote from: hawgsav1 on July 08, 2009, 08:46:16 pm
Wright showed flashes of potential last season to be a big play threat.  His reception average was about 18 yards per reception.  He also seemed to turn it on in November, with more than 2/3 of his receiving yards and receptions coming later in the year. If he can become a bit more consistent, he has a chance to shine.  He showcased his big play ability with a 70 yard reception for a TD.

Joe Adams was also pretty solid, but seemed like he hit a bit of a rookie wall later in the year, with only 45 yards receiving and 6/31 receptions coming in November.  For the most part, he averaged about 12-13 yards per reception throughout the year, but later in the year it dropped to 7.5 yards per reception.  He seemed like a good solid player, albeit not a burner or a game breaker.  He just seems like your typical tough workhorse receiver (which isn't a bad thing at all). 

Add DJ at TE and perhaps Michael Smith in the slot and you are giving opposing defenses a great deal to contemplate.
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Fisticuffs

Cragg will be a threat at TE too

hawgsav1

Quote from: MuskogeeHogFan on July 08, 2009, 08:48:30 pm
Add DJ at TE and perhaps Michael Smith in the slot and you are giving opposing defenses a great deal to contemplate.

I was lazy for those two, I'll let you break down their stats. ;)
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Iwastherein1969

Quote from: dr__dawggy on July 08, 2009, 12:16:47 pm
Signed and delivered. Brown is in Athens and an active participant in summer workouts. The blog I linked gives an update about how GA receiver recruits are progressing...

http://blogs.onlineathens.com/node/1157
the problem is that you have Joe Cox as the delivery system....not good
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ErieHog

Quote from: Iwastherein1969 on July 09, 2009, 01:58:54 am
the problem is that you have Joe Cox as the delivery system....not good

Cox has a great pedigree, and has been in the Georgia system for years; dismiss him at your own peril; I'm sure Willy Robinson isn't.
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MuskogeeHogFan

Quote from: hawgsav1 on July 08, 2009, 09:35:36 pm
I was lazy for those two, I'll let you break down their stats. ;)

Here's the numbers for our receivers from last year:

                      Games   Receptions     Yards   Rec P/Game  Yds P/Game   Avg Recp
DJ Williams          12           61            723          5.1           60.3             11.9
L. Miller              12           30            490          2.5           40.8             16.3
J. Adams            12           31            377          2.6           31.4             12.2
J. Wright            12           19            348          1.6           29.0             18.3
L. Crawford         12           27            311          2.3           25.9             11.5
M. Smith             10          32             298         3.2           29.8               9.3
G. Childs             12          18             273         1.5           22.8              15.2
D. Curtis             10           8               68          .8            6.8                 8.5
C. Salters           10           6               66          .6             6.6               11.0
C. Gragg             12           1               25          .1             2.1               25.0
D. Johnson          12           4               23          .3             1.9                5.8

There hasn't been a lot of talk about Lucas Miller, but his numbers last year were pretty good. #2 in terms of average per catch behind only Jarius Wright.
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bigdaddyhawg

Quote from: ErieHog on July 09, 2009, 04:17:57 am
Cox has a great pedigree, and has been in the Georgia system for years; dismiss him at your own peril; I'm sure Willy Robinson isn't.

I know what you say here is right.  But EVERYTHING I've seen from this guys has NOT been good.  He looked horrible in their spring game.  To me he looks like a much less talented Casey Dick.  I just don't think he's got "it" in the slightest.

I don't think he'll be the starter after they leave Fayetteville.  That will be their second loss very early in the season, and Richt will not be passive in pulling his string.
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The Hogfather

Quote from: MuskogeeHogFan on July 09, 2009, 06:48:56 am
Here's the numbers for our receivers from last year:

                      Games   Receptions     Yards   Rec P/Game  Yds P/Game   Avg Recp
DJ Williams          12           61            723          5.1           60.3             11.9
L. Miller              12           30            490          2.5           40.8             16.3
J. Adams            12           31            377          2.6           31.4             12.2
J. Wright            12           19            348          1.6           29.0             18.3
L. Crawford         12           27            311          2.3           25.9             11.5
M. Smith             10          32             298         3.2           29.8               9.3
G. Childs             12          18             273         1.5           22.8              15.2
D. Curtis             10           8               68          .8            6.8                 8.5
C. Salters           10           6               66          .6             6.6               11.0
C. Gragg             12           1               25          .1             2.1               25.0
D. Johnson          12           4               23          .3             1.9                5.8

There hasn't been a lot of talk about Lucas Miller, but his numbers last year were pretty good. #2 in terms of average per catch behind only Jarius Wright.

Compare that to this and tell me what you guys think about our receiving corps:

NAME                                REC YDS YPR  LONG TD
Julio Jones                          58   924 15.9  64     4
Nick Walker                         32   324 10.1  40     2
Mike McCoy                         16   191 11.9  30     1
Marquis Maze                       11   137 12.5  34     2
Earl Alexander                       8    121 15.1  27     0
Glen Coffee                         16    118  7.4   15    1
Roy Upchurch                        9    101 11.2  29    0
Nikita Stover                         6    101 16.8  39    1
Brad Smelley                         7     98  14.0  37    0
Darius Hanks                         8     88  11.0  18    0
Mark Ingram                          7     54   7.7  27    0 
Travis McCall                         7     52   7.4  12    0
Terry Grant                           4     36    9.0  22    0
Will Oakley                            2     27   13.5  14    0
Jeramie Griffin                        1     9      9.0   9     0
Preston Dial                           1     8      8.0   8     0
B.J. Scott                             2      7      3.5   7     0
Totals                                195  2396   12.3  64   11

Classic example of what I've been talking about....

Iwastherein1969

July 09, 2009, 07:40:34 am #60 Last Edit: July 09, 2009, 07:59:58 am by Iwastherein1969
Quote from: ErieHog on July 09, 2009, 04:17:57 am
Cox has a great pedigree, and has been in the Georgia system for years; dismiss him at your own peril; I'm sure Willy Robinson isn't.
there are many reasons why Joe Cox is now only starting as an almost 23 year old....and its because he has limited skills....I realize that he had to beat out Matthew Stafford, but Stafford was not an overnite success at UGA and Cox couldn't beat him out...anyway, if you are a Joe Cox fan, so be it.....one question, if Joe Cox were on the Razorback roster, where would he be on the depth chart ?  .....Cox would be 3rd, just ahead of Jim Youngblood...maybe       additionally, the reason for the last edit is this, I looked up Cox's PEDIGREE which you claim to be great and I found that UGA was the only SEC school to recruit this 3 star QB from North Carolina and was OFFERED by one other school that being Duke....if that's great, well I suppose we have a different definition of great really means
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MuskogeeHogFan

Quote from: The Hogfather on July 09, 2009, 07:31:01 am
Compare that to this and tell me what you guys think about our receiving corps:

NAME                                REC YDS YPR  LONG TD
Julio Jones                          58   924 15.9  64     4
Nick Walker                         32   324 10.1  40     2
Mike McCoy                         16   191 11.9  30     1
Marquis Maze                       11   137 12.5  34     2
Earl Alexander                       8    121 15.1  27     0
Glen Coffee                         16    118  7.4   15    1
Roy Upchurch                        9    101 11.2  29    0
Nikita Stover                         6    101 16.8  39    1
Brad Smelley                         7     98  14.0  37    0
Darius Hanks                         8     88  11.0  18    0
Mark Ingram                          7     54   7.7  27    0 
Travis McCall                         7     52   7.4  12    0
Terry Grant                           4     36    9.0  22    0
Will Oakley                            2     27   13.5  14    0
Jeramie Griffin                        1     9      9.0   9     0
Preston Dial                           1     8      8.0   8     0
B.J. Scott                             2      7      3.5   7     0
Totals                                195  2396   12.3  64   11

Classic example of what I've been talking about....


With the exception of Julio Jones, who is a great talent, I think we match up well and perhaps across the board on average, better.
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The Hogfather

Quote from: MuskogeeHogFan on July 09, 2009, 07:54:10 am
With the exception of Julio Jones, who is a great talent, I think we match up well and perhaps across the board on average, better.

Agree.

Same with LSU and Georgia, in my opinion, even though they have elite #1s and we don't.  Of course, if Brown and Orson Charles turn out to be as good as they sound, Georgia will have the best corps in the league, by far.

 

Beaverfever

You are way oversimplifying things Hogfather.  I can guarandamntee the reason Georgia and LSU don't have that many guys with eye popping stats isn't because they only have one decent talent at receiver.  Every year at those programs they lose one of their two best receivers and everyone says oh  now LSU is screwed, they have nobody to throw the ball to.  Oh wait, they 5 star WR's stockpiled and some guy steps in and they don't miss a beat.  You have to pay your dues at programs like that. 

The Hogfather

Quote from: Beaverfever on July 09, 2009, 09:41:36 am
You are way oversimplifying things Hogfather.  I can guarandamntee the reason Georgia and LSU don't have that many guys with eye popping stats isn't because they only have one decent talent at receiver.  Every year at those programs they lose one of their two best receivers and everyone says oh  now LSU is screwed, they have nobody to throw the ball to.  Oh wait, they 5 star WR's stockpiled and some guy steps in and they don't miss a beat.  You have to pay your dues at programs like that. 

No, I'm not.  But, whatever you say.

We will have one of, if not the best, overall groups of pass catchers in the SEC this season.

MuskogeeHogFan

Quote from: Beaverfever on July 09, 2009, 09:41:36 am
You are way oversimplifying things Hogfather.  I can guarandamntee the reason Georgia and LSU don't have that many guys with eye popping stats isn't because they only have one decent talent at receiver.  Every year at those programs they lose one of their two best receivers and everyone says oh  now LSU is screwed, they have nobody to throw the ball to.  Oh wait, they 5 star WR's stockpiled and some guy steps in and they don't miss a beat.  You have to pay your dues at programs like that. 

And perhaps it is because some programs tend to focus in on one receiver more than others instead of being less predictable and spreading the ball around? That certainly seems to have been the case in the past with Julio Jones at Alabama.

At Georgia, 46.3% of all receptions last year were split between two receivers, Massaquoi, who is gone now and Green, who returns. Two more receivers, Moreno who is gone and Moore who is back, accounted for 25.2% of the receptions. So 71.5% of all of their receptions were accounted for by 4 total receivers, two of which are no longer on campus. Kris Durham who had 13 catches for 199 yards is back, but gone is Demeiko Goodman who had 11 catches for 133 yards, and the reception yardage goes down from there.

There is no doubt that Georgia has a lot of talent. The question is, will Cox be able to deliver the ball on time and in the right spot? At this point, that is something none of us know for certain. What I do know is that you can have vastly talented receivers and if you don't have a QB who can deliver the ball, however talented the receivers are, means little. The onus is on Cox at this point.
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ErieHog

Quote from: Iwastherein1969 on July 09, 2009, 07:40:34 am
there are many reasons why Joe Cox is now only starting as an almost 23 year old....and its because he has limited skills....I realize that he had to beat out Matthew Stafford, but Stafford was not an overnite success at UGA and Cox couldn't beat him out...anyway, if you are a Joe Cox fan, so be it.....one question, if Joe Cox were on the Razorback roster, where would he be on the depth chart ?  .....Cox would be 3rd, just ahead of Jim Youngblood...maybe       additionally, the reason for the last edit is this, I looked up Cox's PEDIGREE which you claim to be great and I found that UGA was the only SEC school to recruit this 3 star QB from North Carolina and was OFFERED by one other school that being Duke....if that's great, well I suppose we have a different definition of great really means

Wrong, as usual.  Stafford was an elite talent, and when Richt totally committed to him mid-way through his Sophomore year, there was no going back; when he took that plunge, he put a very good quarterback on the bench for a couple .    Cox had 2 offers total, because he committed very early; he was an Elite 11 QB, a state player of the year in North Carolina, and a prep All-American.

He'd be an easy second on the Arkansas depth chart.
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TheArkansasTraveller

Quote from: Conway Cool Daddy on July 08, 2009, 12:49:18 pm
Maybe this year we will have a QB that can get them the ball. One that won't
lead the SEC in getting sacked.





That depends on the development of the OL.  Not everything was CD's fault.

hawgsav1

Quote from: MuskogeeHogFan on July 09, 2009, 06:48:56 am
Here's the numbers for our receivers from last year:

                      Games   Receptions     Yards   Rec P/Game  Yds P/Game   Avg Recp
DJ Williams          12           61            723          5.1           60.3             11.9
L. Miller              12           30            490          2.5           40.8             16.3
J. Adams            12           31            377          2.6           31.4             12.2
J. Wright            12           19            348          1.6           29.0             18.3
L. Crawford         12           27            311          2.3           25.9             11.5
M. Smith             10          32             298         3.2           29.8               9.3
G. Childs             12          18             273         1.5           22.8              15.2
D. Curtis             10           8               68          .8            6.8                 8.5
C. Salters           10           6               66          .6             6.6               11.0
C. Gragg             12           1               25          .1             2.1               25.0
D. Johnson          12           4               23          .3             1.9                5.8

There hasn't been a lot of talk about Lucas Miller, but his numbers last year were pretty good. #2 in terms of average per catch behind only Jarius Wright.

I forgot to put Miller in the analysis.  He had a very solid season.  I'm interested to see how he does as well considering his injury questions.

Btw on a random note, is anyone else going to giggle when they see Ryan Mallett hand off to Michael Smith?  I can't think of a funnier scene than a 6-7 QB handing off to a guy that's a foot shorter than him and half his size.
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MuskogeeHogFan

Quote from: TheArkansasTraveller on July 09, 2009, 11:40:34 am
That depends on the development of the OL.  Not everything was CD's fault.

Bingo...if the OL doesn't step it up, Mallett, being less mobile than even CD, will be in big trouble. The OL HAS TO SHOW UP, this year.
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East TN HAWG

Way too many dropped balls to call this a great or even good group of receivers. 

I hope that a QB change will result in more YAC yards.  Last year the balls were delivered late or on the back hip of the receiver.  If the ball is accurately thrown and on time, a WR like Adams,  and Wright can take it to the house.  I look for WR improvement because of the improve timing and delivery of the ball.

Beaverfever

Quote from: NolanForAD on July 09, 2009, 05:28:35 pm
So you would rather have Marcus Monk alone, than the group we have now?
Marcus Monk is a receiver not a receivers.

Hoggle

It's ALL about the offensive line - quarterback, receivers, running backs will fall into place if the offensive line can do a good job.