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BamaFreak

July 06, 2009, 07:57:26 pm
I was interested in know what you guys (and gals) think about BAMA's first game of the season.  Tech will have a great defense and a great special teams unit.  Probably a sub-par offense.  BAMA will have a great defense good special teams and an average offense at best, IMO.  Makes this one tough to call; no question that it will be a closer, more hard-fought game than our opener with Clemson last season.  I honestly don't know which way this one will go.  I know they sucked at the beginning of last season (losing to ECU) but they got better as the season progressed and we will be replacing a new QB and two very good offensive linemen.  Thoughts?  Opinions?

HamHands

July 06, 2009, 08:15:06 pm #1
Bama win outright but probably will not cover the spread.
One day at a time.
 

31to6

July 06, 2009, 08:15:38 pm #2
Quote from: BamaFreak on July 06, 2009, 07:57:26 pm
I was interested in know what you guys (and gals) think about BAMA's first game of the season.  Tech will have a great defense and a great special teams unit.  Probably a sub-par offense.  BAMA will have a great defense good special teams and an average offense at best, IMO.  Makes this one tough to call; no question that it will be a closer, more hard-fought game than our opener with Clemson last season.  I honestly don't know which way this one will go.  I know they sucked at the beginning of last season (losing to ECU) but they got better as the season progressed and we will be replacing a new QB and two very good offensive linemen.  Thoughts?  Opinions?
If you guys can keep a lid on their special teams and keep your turnovers down I like your chances.

You should be able to keep the game close through the first half and your physicality should start to take a toll in the late 3rd Q, but if your brand-spankin' new QB tries to do anything fancier than hand the ball off to Ingram it could be a long day.

SquidBilly

July 06, 2009, 08:16:16 pm #3
One thing for sure is that Bama with have the advantage as far as the crowd goes.  Tech returns a lot on offense and this being their second year in Paul Johnson's system will only make them better.  Jonathan Dwyer is a beast and will be hard to handle.  Tech should have a decent defense but not as good as last year.  Ultimately speed will win the game for you guys as it did for LSU when they played Tech last year in the Chick Fil A bowl.  Then with your interior D line stuffing the straight ahead runs you guys should be able to handle them.  This game will definitely be closer than the Clemson game was but I think Bama still wins comfortably. 

BamaFreak

July 06, 2009, 08:16:29 pm #4
Quote from: HoginHeat on July 06, 2009, 08:15:06 pm
Bama win outright but probably will not cover the spread.

Looks to be about a four-point spread from looking at the early lines.  I think I'll start drinking early that day.

SooiecidetillNuttgone

July 06, 2009, 08:25:21 pm #5
I say you win by at least 6 points.  Va Tech is almost always good, but you guys are pretty loaded, and you have one of the top 3 coaches in the business at this time.
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Big Papa Satan

July 06, 2009, 08:28:27 pm #6
Appears to be one of those games where the one who cracks 20 wins.

ErieHog

July 06, 2009, 08:57:56 pm #7
Tech has the edge at QB, and has more dynamic playmakers who will touch the ball.  I have no idea how Alabama plans to get the ball to Julio, but if he doesn't have 20+ touches,  I don't see them winning that game.
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ErieHog

July 06, 2009, 08:58:29 pm #8
Quote from: ATLpiggie on July 06, 2009, 08:16:16 pm
One thing for sure is that Bama with have the advantage as far as the crowd goes.  Tech returns a lot on offense and this being their second year in Paul Johnson's system will only make them better.  Jonathan Dwyer is a beast and will be hard to handle.  Tech should have a decent defense but not as good as last year.  Ultimately speed will win the game for you guys as it did for LSU when they played Tech last year in the Chick Fil A bowl.  Then with your interior D line stuffing the straight ahead runs you guys should be able to handle them.  This game will definitely be closer than the Clemson game was but I think Bama still wins comfortably. 


Virginia Tech, not Georgia Tech.
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Jimbo

July 06, 2009, 09:03:23 pm #9
BAMA will win with their defense but it will be closer than most think. Both offenses are going through a bit of a transition period. How will BAMA's Oline and QB play? Va Tech has no match for Julio Jones. Bamas D is going to be sick this year. Va Tech special teams is well "Special". BAMA wins but the hook will get alot of folks on the spread.

bigdaddyhawg

July 06, 2009, 09:18:35 pm #10
I think this will be a "throwback" type game -- tons of big hits, not much O, probably lots of turnovers.

It's kind of trite to say it, but I'm sure TO's will decide it.  If I had to bet I'd probably go with VT because that little QB they've got, Taylor, is a playmaker, and is just the kind of guy who could make the difference in a defensive struggle.  But it's hard to pick against Saban.  It'll be close.

I'll be pulling for Bama, though.
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ErieHog

July 06, 2009, 09:32:25 pm #11
Quote from: tallahasseehog on July 06, 2009, 09:29:18 pm
Living in ACC land, I believe VT is one of the most over-rated teams in the country.  I don't see what the hype is about. 

I see Tech as one of the more underrated squads out there; they lost a bit off of the defense, primarily in Victor 'Macho' Harris, but return a bevvy of starters from a team that won the ACC and the Orange Bowl last year.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

ErieHog

July 06, 2009, 09:39:36 pm #12
The ACC is being sold a little short there;  it's not at the very top of the BCS Conferences, but it's not in Big East territory, either.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."
 

bigdaddyhawg

July 06, 2009, 11:08:04 pm #13
Quote from: ErieHog on July 06, 2009, 09:39:36 pm
The ACC is being sold a little short there;  it's not at the very top of the BCS Conferences, but it's not in Big East territory, either.

I agree here.  The ACC is third in most years behind SEC, Big 12.  Those schools have lots of kids from the Southeast, and that and Texas are the honey holes for recruiting great athletes.

In any given year I think the ACC could be just a step behind the SEC.
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Justifiable Hogicide

July 06, 2009, 11:23:49 pm #14
Quote from: tallahasseehog on July 06, 2009, 09:29:18 pm

VT is one of the most over-rated teams in the country.  I don't see what the hype is about. 


Virginia Tech is largely a creation of ESPN's Thursday night broadcasts, they play a weak schedule, in a weak conference, "beamer ball" is a worn out catchphrase that, like the Hokies (whatever that is), doesn't live up to the hype.
You guys will kill them and further cement the SEC's reputation as the dominant conference in the land.
Go Bama.

Wildhog

July 06, 2009, 11:25:58 pm #15
Bama by a large margin.
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StreetThief99

July 06, 2009, 11:34:52 pm #16
Bama will have a huge target on their chest this time, and after seeing Clemson get killed last year they're gonna be ready to play. Still, I say Bama by 10, 17-7.
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Country Stylz

July 07, 2009, 12:03:06 am #17
Quote from: ErieHog on July 06, 2009, 08:57:56 pm
Tech has the edge at QB, and has more dynamic playmakers who will touch the ball.  I have no idea how Alabama plans to get the ball to Julio, but if he doesn't have 20+ touches,  I don't see them winning that game.
20+ touches for a wr?

ErieHog

July 07, 2009, 12:12:47 am #18
Quote from: Country Stylz on July 07, 2009, 12:03:06 am
20+ touches for a wr?

Throw it to him 10 times, have him return 5 kicks, and throw in a few gadget plays here and there- reverses, option pitches, etc.

Julio Jones is the only difference maker on that offense.  Ingram can wear a team down, but Julio is it, offensively, for that Tide team.
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The_Bionic_Pig

July 07, 2009, 12:30:30 am #19
Alabama by atleast 3 TD's  (2 Turn Overs caused by the Bama D) 28-7
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SemperHawg

July 07, 2009, 12:33:32 am #20
I see it it being a very boring 24-10.  I don't say this as a knock on Bama or anything, just that their offense will sputter a bit under the new QB but their D will be solid all night over what I consider to be an over rated VA Tech team.

SquidBilly

July 07, 2009, 12:58:00 am #21
Quote from: ErieHog on July 06, 2009, 08:58:29 pm

Virginia Tech, not Georgia Tech.

Haha.  You're right my bad.  Man I need football season to get here!! 

Va Tech by 7 in this one.  They always play good D and there is none better at special teams play than Va Tech. 

StewDogg11

July 07, 2009, 01:12:27 am #22 Last Edit: July 07, 2009, 01:17:41 am by StewDogg11
All depends on how y'all control Tyrod, I think he's gonna have a special season, Darren Evans is also an above average RB who was only a Freshman last year.

upperdeck_hawg

July 07, 2009, 01:20:28 am #23
bama aint ECU, bama by 2 TDs
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ErieHog

July 07, 2009, 01:38:43 am #24
Quote from: upperdeck_hawg on July 07, 2009, 01:20:28 am
bama aint ECU, bama by 2 TDs

They also aren't as good offensively as the Cincinnatti team that Virginia Tech dominated in the Orange Bowl.

No one is going to win this game by a huge margin, but if it's a blow-out either way, it'll be Tech over Alabama.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

RedSatinHog

July 07, 2009, 02:05:02 am #25
Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe the last time Va Tech had an early season game against an SEC opponent, they got it handed to them by LSU.

The one thing that will prevent that from happening this time around (if anything) is the loss of key players for the Tide on offense.
Pts/Game: 122nd
Rebounds/Game: 208th
Assists/Game:  240th
FG%:  173rd

ErieHog

July 07, 2009, 02:10:44 am #26
Quote from: AKHogsHoopsFan on July 07, 2009, 02:05:02 am
Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe the last time Va Tech had an early season game against an SEC opponent, they got it handed to them by LSU.

The one thing that will prevent that from happening this time around (if anything) is the loss of key players for the Tide on offense.

That isn't terribly relevant;  unlike Alabama, that LSU team had quality offensive skill position players.  Alabama's going to take a big step backwards this year, and Tech is in position to take a big step forward.

Neither team is going to impress anyone with the subtlety of their offenses, but Tech returns more, and has a guy at QB who can make dynamic plays with his feet.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

RedSatinHog

July 07, 2009, 02:16:03 am #27
Quote from: ErieHog on July 07, 2009, 02:10:44 am
That isn't terribly relevant;  unlike Alabama, that LSU team had quality offensive skill position players.  Alabama's going to take a big step backwards this year, and Tech is in position to take a big step forward.

Neither team is going to impress anyone with the subtlety of their offenses, but Tech returns more, and has a guy at QB who can make dynamic plays with his feet.

I agree, and that is why I said what I did in paragraph #2.  I don't believe Bama will blow this team out.  In fact, I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see us beat Bama in Tuscaloosa this year.
Pts/Game: 122nd
Rebounds/Game: 208th
Assists/Game:  240th
FG%:  173rd

alohawg

July 07, 2009, 03:49:16 am #28
I hope Alabama wins ugly like 9-7 or 13-9, I want them to be happily mediocre winning but still shaky when we play them.
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ksmcclu

July 07, 2009, 08:10:15 am #29
Bamafreak - where are you getting your early lines?

BigErn

July 07, 2009, 09:06:28 am #30
VT has a very dynamic QB and Bama is does not... Both will have very good Ds and special teams. So that can be considered a push.

WRs like Julio are almost worthless when you have a young QB that will be pressured by a D like VT has, I do not see anything resembling the blowout that Bama v. Clemson.

I think Bama will be lucky to escape with a close W... but I would bet on the team with the experienced QB. To me, the difference will be on offense... and that is where VT has an advantage, unless Bama can run the ball with a lot of success... I see VT having the edge overall.

donewithdale

July 07, 2009, 09:21:49 am #31
Quote from: tallahasseehog on July 06, 2009, 09:29:18 pm
Living in ACC land, I believe VT is one of the most over-rated teams in the country.  I don't see what the hype is about. 

One of the most overrated programs of the decade.  An ESPN creation in order to pimp their weeknight games. 

Hornkiller

July 07, 2009, 09:57:42 am #32
Quote from: hognot on July 07, 2009, 07:22:20 am

A friend of mine says OU already has deals with Fla. St, Tennessee, ND, and LSU I believe for home and home series in the next few years.  Any idea what UA schedule looks like?

Besides A&M? Texas Christian is on the board for 2012...

rljjr

July 07, 2009, 10:08:46 am #33
Tide Rolls on ... 38-17. VaTech is good and their fans are great, but they're not the VT of a few years ago. This game will be good until mid-third quarter. Then its all Bama. SEC Speed kills, and Bama has that AND power.

Sivad

July 07, 2009, 10:54:35 am #34
Quote from: AKHogsHoopsFan on July 07, 2009, 02:05:02 am

Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe the last time Va Tech had an early season game against an SEC opponent, they got it handed to them by LSU.


You ARE correct.
And this year, Alabama will destroy the perenially overanked Virginie Tech.

The Hogfather

July 07, 2009, 10:58:34 am #35
Quote from: hognot on July 07, 2009, 07:22:20 am
A friend of mine says OU already has deals with Fla. St, Tennessee, ND, and LSU I believe for home and home series in the next few years.

Good, they need to.  The rest of their schedule, besides Texas, is complete shart.

gohogsgo006

July 07, 2009, 11:05:30 am #36
I can see Va Tech winning this one.  VT always has a stingy defense, a few breaks here or there could spell doom for Bama.

As of right now, id say the game favors Bama by a narrow margin. 
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flagstaffhog

July 07, 2009, 12:28:12 pm #37
I expect and I think BAMA will win. I will always cheer for an SEC team playing out of conf.
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StewDogg11

July 07, 2009, 01:40:21 pm #38
Quote from: rljjr on July 07, 2009, 10:08:46 am
Tide Rolls on ... 38-17. VaTech is good and their fans are great, but they're not the VT of a few years ago. This game will be good until mid-third quarter. Then its all Bama. SEC Speed kills, and Bama has that AND power.
Didn't the ACC go straight up with SEC last year in head to head match ups???

cbjagman

July 07, 2009, 01:42:59 pm #39
Quote from: BamaFreak on July 06, 2009, 07:57:26 pm
I was interested in know what you guys (and gals) think about BAMA's first game of the season.  Tech will have a great defense and a great special teams unit.  Probably a sub-par offense.  BAMA will have a great defense good special teams and an average offense at best, IMO.  Makes this one tough to call; no question that it will be a closer, more hard-fought game than our opener with Clemson last season.  I honestly don't know which way this one will go.  I know they sucked at the beginning of last season (losing to ECU) but they got better as the season progressed and we will be replacing a new QB and two very good offensive linemen.  Thoughts?  Opinions?
Personally I believe this should be one of the better ones during the very early season.

rljjr

July 07, 2009, 01:54:07 pm #40
Quote from: StewDogg11 on July 07, 2009, 01:40:21 pm
Didn't the ACC go straight up with SEC last year in head to head match ups???

The thread is about this upcoming season, but if memory serves, then yes, you're right. No, I didn't do the research to find out about last year. It wasn't a retrospective.

Hornkiller

July 07, 2009, 01:56:30 pm #41
Quote from: StewDogg11 on July 07, 2009, 01:40:21 pm
Didn't the ACC go straight up with SEC last year in head to head match ups???

Regular season yes... Bowl games no

hogsndawgs

July 07, 2009, 01:59:02 pm #42
Quote from: BamaFreak on July 06, 2009, 07:57:26 pm
I was interested in know what you guys (and gals) think about BAMA's first game of the season.  Tech will have a great defense and a great special teams unit.  Probably a sub-par offense.  BAMA will have a great defense good special teams and an average offense at best, IMO.  Makes this one tough to call; no question that it will be a closer, more hard-fought game than our opener with Clemson last season.  I honestly don't know which way this one will go.  I know they sucked at the beginning of last season (losing to ECU) but they got better as the season progressed and we will be replacing a new QB and two very good offensive linemen.  Thoughts?  Opinions?

My only concern for Bama is that starting a new QB against a defense as good as Va Tech is a tall order. It should be a good way to get experience before conference play starts, but still. If y'all can have success early on the ground you should beat a 4 point spread.

ExArky

July 11, 2009, 10:34:30 pm #43
Quote from: Justifiable Hogicide on July 06, 2009, 11:23:49 pm
Virginia Tech is largely a creation of ESPN's Thursday night broadcasts, they play a weak schedule ...

Not this year. Alabama and Nebraska are two of their non-conf games. Still, Alabama wins this one, 24-21.

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July 12, 2009, 01:44:49 pm #44
SEC!!!

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July 15, 2009, 03:28:33 pm #45
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July 15, 2009, 03:44:21 pm #46
This game goes to Bama, IMO.  The Bama D will be more than the VT offense can handle.  Saban will have months to prepare for this game.  I think he'll have his team ready. 
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wholehog92

July 15, 2009, 05:31:33 pm #47
I think bama will win this one and the score board will show it to be closer than it will look to anyone watching it.  I think bama will manhandle them for most of the game but struggle to score.  VT will be kicking long field goals to do any scoring for the most part and they will have to start at the 50 to do that.  Ingram and the O line will wear them down on some 3rd and 4th quarter drives.  The bama QB will struggle in the first half.  Keep the turnovers down and grind them into dust.
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July 15, 2009, 10:13:22 pm #48
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