Revenues vs. expenses for SEC teams.

[JDS]

Sortable data from the Columbus Dispatch with all Div 1 teams revenues and expenses.

Found the link in an article on The Wiz of Odds regarding colleges possible twisting federal privacy laws.

Here is the SEC data...Click here.

Very interesting info in both the article and the data.

[Hawgon]

We need to raise our revenues.

[NWASooner]

We need to raise our revenues.

That means higher ticket prices.

Most of these SEC schools seem to be breaking even.  Auburn, Georgia, and Florida has good profit margins, though.

For all you Notre Dame haters, they have expenses of $60 million and revenue of $83 million and most of both figures is probably football heavy.  That's a nice 38% margin.  They'll never join a conference.  Why should they?

[Lard]

Does Vanderbilt really have more football revenue than Ole Piss and Moo U?

[HogDom]

We will probably see a slight increase in revenue with the new student ticket re-selling program. I have changed my opinion on the matter, used to be highly opposed to it, but I had my blinders on. This will help the University.

[regi]

Does Vanderbilt really have more football revenue than Ole Piss and Moo U?

Not hard to believe, Mississippi is a poor state with 3 D1 programs, how much revenue is there for them to have. Their has been talk of State and Ole Piss bolting to be in a more competitive situation, but why leave the gravy train.

[pitbull1]

They won't leave the SEC!  Both have been here too long.

[Razorfox]

There is no excuse for Alabama to have two schools with that much more revenue than us.  I know it's a slightly larger state, but not that much more so. 

[SpringTxHOG]

Be careful for what you ask for.  How does 4-5k sound for football season tickets?  That's what it costs for 4 decent season ticket in Austin w/ Longhorn Foundation dues.

[Lard]

Be careful for what you ask for.  How does 4-5k sound for football season tickets?  That's what it costs for 4 decent season ticket in Austin w/ Longhorn Foundation dues.

Doesn't sound very good....but Texas has been to how many BCS games in the past 10 years?

[Hornkiller]

They won't leave the SEC!  Both have been here too long.

For them to leave would probably mean being shown the door by the other 10 schools because we got two better programs to join the SEC. And I'm sure it would be kicking and screaming all the way.

[DEVICEHIGH]

There is no excuse for Alabama to have two schools with that much more revenue than us.  I know it's a slightly larger state, but not that much more so. 

Twice the population.

[Root66]

University of Mississippi    Rebels   University, Miss   Expenses $34,769,709.00   Revenue $34,769,709.00

I find this hard to believe. Either they are hiding profits or they are so embarrassed by the money they are losing, they are falsely reporting.

[Speedracer]

Wow, interesting info.  Thanks for the post!

[bigdaddyhawg]

There is no excuse for Alabama to have two schools with that much more revenue than us.  I know it's a slightly larger state, but not that much more so. 

Twice the population.

And a LOT more industry.

Arkansas is farming and forestry.  Sure, Alabama has a lot of that, too, but they have developed more industry over the years than Arkansas.

I used to sell technical, specialty industrial chemicals.  My company had just me in the entire state of Ark.; we had 5 guys in Mobile alone.

[Razorfox]

Sad, Arkansas needs to get some of the industry that's fleeing the Northeast and Northwest.  Why can't the state seem to get it together when it comes to this stuff?  I'm not from Arkansas, so a history lesson may be in order.   

[Hornkiller]

Well the growth in NWA has been amazing with Wal-Mart and the vendors, Tyson etc... The companies will sponsor Razorback events but the people moving in have seemed to have a harder time supporting the Razorbacks. At best for a lot of people moving in the Razorbacks are their #2 team behind the team they've always rooted for.

[mj4president]

Sad, Arkansas needs to get some of the industry that's fleeing the Northeast and Northwest.  Why can't the state seem to get it together when it comes to this stuff?  I'm not from Arkansas, so a history lesson may be in order.   

The east and southern parts don't have many people who graduate college let alone high school. There isn't enough qualified people (we don't have many people to start with) to have huge industry.

[GUMLEAFER]

Do these figures include all known revenues, even donations to the razorback foundation?

[NuttinItUp]

Wow, the SEC East is bringing in much more bacon than the SEC West.

$391,765,767.00 in revenue and $348,920,958.00  in expenses (total) for the West, and
$462,024,865.00 in revenue and $433,912,000.00 in expenses (total) for the East.

That is approximately 15% more revenue and 20% more in money spent on their program in the SEC East vs the SEC West.

[bigdaddyhawg]

Sad, Arkansas needs to get some of the industry that's fleeing the Northeast and Northwest.  Why can't the state seem to get it together when it comes to this stuff?  I'm not from Arkansas, so a history lesson may be in order.   

I'm not really sure why it is.  I know for years a lot of the money was held in only a few hands in this state.

I think in the past Ark. has not aggressively pursued major industry to come here.  I heard a story, don't know if it is true, that one of the Japanese automakers wanted to put a plant somewhere between Pine Bluff and LR, but they could not get the governments involved to give them a tax break to do it.  It went to Tenn. I think.  Like I said, that's what I was told.  I do remember shortly after I was told this info. I read about the company building the plant in another state.

Everyone's also probably heard the Federal Express story -- I'm pretty sure than one is true.  There's not telling how many tens or even hundreds of millions of dollars that cost the state.

[NuttinItUp]

I'm not really sure why it is.  I know for years a lot of the money was held in only a few hands in this state.

I think in the past Ark. has not aggressively pursued major industry to come here.  I heard a story, don't know if it is true, that one of the Japanese automakers wanted to put a plant somewhere between Pine Bluff and LR, but they could not get the governments involved to give them a tax break to do it.  It went to Tenn. I think.  Like I said, that's what I was told.

Everyone's also probably heard the Federal Express story -- I'm pretty sure than one is true.  There's not telling how many tens or even hundreds of millions of dollars that cost the state.

Yeah, basically how you get more industry to come to your state is lower taxes (even income taxes work to discourage business development if you know anything about economics) and have more business friendly laws. Its a pretty simple formula, actually.

[BorderPatrol]

The east and southern parts don't have many people who graduate college let alone high school. There isn't enough qualified people (we don't have many people to start with) to have huge industry.

That's a pretty unfair assumption, don't you think?

If you are basing the fact that Alabama has more industry because they have more qualified/educated preople, then you might want to check Alabama's graduation rate compared to Arkansas and the rest of the nation....

Again, I think you are a little off on your assumption.....

bp

[UAfanatic]

wow.. Auburn is pocketing 20,000,000, 

that's some rainy day cash..

we're still hand to mouth.. that stinks

[FSguy38]

Yeah, basically how you get more industry to come to your state is lower taxes (even income taxes work to discourage business development if you know anything about economics) and have more business friendly laws. Its a pretty simple formula, actually.

Education is an issue as well, I think it was Toyota or a subsidiary of Toyota that was looking at the delta a few years ago, and decided against it because they didn't believe they had a large enough pool of qualified or trainable workers in the immediate area to draw from.

[arkyvol]

Sad, Arkansas needs to get some of the industry that's fleeing the Northeast and Northwest.  Why can't the state seem to get it together when it comes to this stuff?  I'm not from Arkansas, so a history lesson may be in order.   

chicken plants don't pay as much as car plants.

[hogsanity]

Sad, Arkansas needs to get some of the industry that's fleeing the Northeast and Northwest.  Why can't the state seem to get it together when it comes to this stuff?  I'm not from Arkansas, so a history lesson may be in order.   

Because the attitude seems to have always been " We dont need no high falutin factory or technical jobs here, we uns can just get by with farms and chickes and such "

Seriously, Ar has to be one of the most unfriendly states toward business.  It almost seems to physically pain the leaders to consider things like tax breaks or rebates to attract large employers. 

[bigdaddyhawg]

Education is an issue as well, I think it was Toyota or a subsidiary of Toyota that was looking at the delta a few years ago, and decided against it because they didn't believe they had a large enough pool of qualified or trainable workers in the immediate area to draw from.

Because the attitude seems to have always been " We dont need no high falutin factory or technical jobs here, we uns can just get by with farms and chickes and such "

Seriously, Ar has to be one of the most unfriendly states toward business.  It almost seems to physically pain the leaders to consider things like tax breaks or rebates to attract large employers. 

Both of these posts pretty much sum up the reasons, I believe.  Good posts.

[Razorvet]

I have heard many members of the older generation and rural Arkansans say they dont want the state to grow.

[Ash]

What hogsanity and Razorvet said. We have a large population of people that don't want growth. You reap what you sow.

[kimjongsqUeAl]

I have heard many members of the older generation and rural Arkansans say they dont want the state to grow.

I have heard that WAY too many times.  We have too many country bumpkins who hate people and want their neighbors to be no closer than 2 miles away.  Welcome to the 21st century ya friggin' hicks!

GO HOGS!!!!!

[hogfan064]

I have heard that WAY too many times.  We have too many country bumpkins who hate people and want their neighbors to be no closer than 2 miles away.  Welcome to the 21st century ya friggin' hicks!

GO HOGS!!!!!

If you are happy with the way you are living then why would you want change?  These people have lived this way for many years and are happy.  I live in a rural area and love it. It's not that I hate people, it's that I enjoy nature and peace.  My kids and dogs can go outside, play, and make as much noise as they want and I don't have to worry about some neighbor telling me we're being too loud.

If I want to plant something I don't have to ask permission from a homeowners association.  If I want to build a pond on my property I can.  If I want to expand my house, then that's not an issue.  If I want to put a building of some sorts on my property I can. 

There is nothing wrong at all with loving to live in a rural area.

[TheGunther]

Just like in my town would work for this state.  The problems in Arkansas are nothing a few funerals couldn't fix.  We could possibly lead the way with 'green jobs' (creating solar panels and such) but no one can seem to remove head from ass.

[hogfan064]

Southern Miss is last in CUSA as well.  This is kind of a surprise because Southern Miss is typically one of the better schools in that league and they draw much better than a school like UAB.

[BorderPatrol]

I have heard that WAY too many times.  We have too many country bumpkins who hate people and want their neighbors to be no closer than 2 miles away.  Welcome to the 21st century ya friggin' hicks!

GO HOGS!!!!!

This is absolutely asinine. Hopefully, you were trying to make a joke.

bp

[kimjongsqUeAl]

This is absolutely asinine. Hopefully, you were trying to make a joke.

bp

If you would read most of my posts you would know that I'm full of $*** . 

[George S. Pigton]

The eastern half of the conf. schools all reside in states with higher population bases and have greater revenue
producing opportunities in the larger cities. 

In the west, Alabama not only has more people and industry, they also have the gulf coast.  How many of you
have spent thousands down there in hotels, bars, and restaurants on orange beach and the like.

[Root66]

What hogsanity and Razorvet said. We have a large population of people that don't want growth. You reap what you sow.

Apparently what you reap is a multi-billion dollar government takeover...with newly printed money and a government named board of directors reporting directly to the el presidente of the country.

[Nashville Fan]

Going from memory here, but it appears that total revenue is driven by two factors - stadium size and recent winning history.

[cbjagman]

Does Vanderbilt really have more football revenue than Ole Piss and Moo U?

Well that comes from the more "tradition rich" history of Ole Misery (at according to the Dale).

[hogsanity]

Apparently what you reap is a multi-billion dollar government takeover...with newly printed money and a government named board of directors reporting directly to the el presidente of the country.

No, what you could have is a state with a wide variety of industries, and one where the thought of $50+ football tickets didn't spark heart attacks statewide.  Just look at Fort Smith.  We sit basically on Intertstae 40, will be very close to I49 whenever that gets done, have a metro population of well over 100K, and are basically held hostage by 2 plants, Whirlpool and Rheem.  With our geographic location, we could have a wide variety of companies, from traditional manufacturing, to service, to tech, to green, to finance. 

[Root66]

No, what you could have is a state with a wide variety of industries, and one where the thought of $50+ football tickets didn't spark heart attacks statewide.  Just look at Fort Smith.  We sit basically on Intertstae 40, will be very close to I49 whenever that gets done, have a metro population of well over 100K, and are basically held hostage by 2 plants, Whirlpool and Rheem.  With our geographic location, we could have a wide variety of companies, from traditional manufacturing, to service, to tech, to green, to finance.

What you need is a good Japanese/Korean car company to alight in Fort Smith. Apparently American car companies aren't worth the powder it would take to blow them up. They can't seem to manage themselves.

[hogsanity]

What you need is a good Japanese/Korean car company to alight in Fort Smith. Apparently American car companies aren't worth the powder it would take to blow them up. They can't seem to manage themselves.

We could not get a toy car plant here, much less a real one. 

[Root66]

We could not get a toy car plant here, much less a real one.

C'mon now. If Mississippi can get one, you can too. Of course, all the St. Louis area has left is a Government Motors plant that survived the cut out in Wentzville. Both Ford and Chrysler have bid adieu to St. Louis.

[Buck Brewer]

Education is an issue as well, I think it was Toyota or a subsidiary of Toyota that was looking at the delta a few years ago, and decided against it because they didn't believe they had a large enough pool of qualified or trainable workers in the immediate area to draw from.

This is not true. The Toyota plant had Marion as a potential sight. Mississippi, that's right, Mississippi, specifically the Tupelo area, got it because Mississippi promised more goodies cause it sure isn't because of a better educated population. Arkansas, for years, has been handicapped by our constitution to go out and basically outbid other states. We finally passed some law a couple of years back that gave the Governor power over a economic development fund. Unfortunately, the recession has put a damper on this. In LR, Gov. Beebe has used this to help capture two windmill manufacturing facilities and an India base steel pipe outfit. Also, Cat will be building a new manufacturing facility here with the help of that fund. The one knock on the Marion car plant site is now air quality. Those truck stops eventually hurt the entire state here cause a car plant like Toyota is infinitely more valuable than a Flying J parking lot full of smack slingers and lot lizards. Toyota has an axle facility in Marion but it was geared for SUV production and hasn't realized it's potential due to the Gas spike. Other than the air quality knock, Marion is ideal due to its rail for this type of facility. THe Toyota truck plant that went to San Antonio was based on marketing, Toyota folks have as much confessed that it had the Texas truck market in mind when they located there instead of Arkansas. Again, it wasn't about education. You people need to stop talking down your state. I will tell you this, our state is much more fiscally sound because we haven't given away the bank to pimp oursleves out like other states.

[NWASooner]

Again, it wasn't about education

It was to a degree.  There's some third party supplier to Toyota that makes axles or something like that.  They have a plant in Eastern Arkansas.  They advised Toyota against building the plant in Marion because of "workforce issues."  Something like 1/3 of people in the Delta region don't have a high school diploma.  The goodies Mississippi and Arkansas were offering were about a wash.

The main problem Arkansas has is that it's much more rural than most states.  Jobs and money have been flowing to the cities and they will into the future.  Money and jobs won't be flowing to rural communities, regardless of where they are.  Arkansas just happens to have a higher percentage of people living in them.

The Arkansas tax code doesn't help, either.

[Buck Brewer]

I think your misinterpreting that statement. While Marion is in the Delta, it is also included in an MSA of over a million people(Memphis). Workforce issues could also be union friendly, race and perceptions of work ethic. To single out education is wrong especially when it went to a location in Mississippi. This would also contradict Nissan locating just north of Jackson MS. As for the third party supplier, it's a direct subsidiary of Toyota itself.

[SooiecidetillNuttgone]

If you are happy with the way you are living then why would you want change?  These people have lived this way for many years and are happy.  I live in a rural area and love it. It's not that I hate people, it's that I enjoy nature and peace.  My kids and dogs can go outside, play, and make as much noise as they want and I don't have to worry about some neighbor telling me we're being too loud.

If I want to plant something I don't have to ask permission from a homeowners association.  If I want to build a pond on my property I can.  If I want to expand my house, then that's not an issue.  If I want to put a building of some sorts on my property I can. 

There is nothing wrong at all with loving to live in a rural area.

Hear.  Hear.

Be careful for what you wish for people.  I've lived in nine states, and about 20 different towns or cities.  There's good and bad in both rural and metropolitan areas, but if I had my choice, I'd take the rural every time. 

Unfortunately, as a former Air Force active duty member, and a current Dept. of Defense civilian, there's not a lot of choice.

[humphrey]

I might disagree that AR is in better fiscal shape than some other states and I would definately disagree with your assessment of AR not "pimping" out itself in order to attract business.  Remember that money is made by private industry -- NOT the government.  Government only gets its money from the people -- from private industry.  Those are the ones who pay taxes.  The governmetn gets its money from you and me.  We don't get money from them.

Also, addressing the state's needs, like an educated workforce, is not talking down to the state.  If a problem exists, let's talk about it.  Hiding it does not help.

What would help AR more than anything else would be the state government getting out of the way.  For too many years, AR has been run by democrats who like to tax people to death and think that the governmetn needs to provide a tremendous number of services to very small and wide-ranging groups of people.  The state government looks for people to potentially feel sorry for, then tax entrepreneurs to the hilt to give someone else a state highway close to their house.

If we want a case study, let's look at the state with the highest unemployment in the USA -- Michigan.  Under John Engler (gov. from 91-03), MI's tax rate plummeted, businesses were catered to, unemployment dropped to record lows, many governmetn services were privatized, and government revenues over the budget were returned to taxpayers.  Under Jennifer Granholm (gov. from 03-present), taxes have increased to their highest levels ever, unemployment is the highest in the nation, governemtn revenues are at historic lows, and more businesses are leaving MI than ever before.  Businesses have been desparately looking for help to locate in MI, but the gov refuses to help.

Remember that private industry, not governmetn, determines the wealth of the people.  If the government gets in the way of personal property and private industry, the wealth of the people necessarily suffers.

[BorderPatrol]

Something like 1/3 of people in the Delta region don't have a high school diploma.

Pretty strong statement, you got any facts to back that up? Or just hear say?

bp