Saban says Ar offense = Wishbone

[Porkyswine]

He says that they are preparing for the Hogs offense like they would prepare for a team running the wishbone.  The Troy coach said that they spend 90% of their practice time on stopping the run......

http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/sports/1189672194127360.xml&coll=2

[arkjay19]

wouldn't you?

[jpenrod1]

obviously you try to make us pass. doesnt mean you can. LSU had one of the best D in the country, couldnt stop us. the only question in this game, this year, and last year is our defense. we score 30 points a game. that is all you should ever need. the rest is up to the defense.

[hogchic2001]

IMO even with all of that practice, I don't think their defensive line can stop McFadden, Jones, or Hillis. 

[arkjay19]

obviously you try to make us pass. doesnt mean you can. LSU had one of the best D in the country, couldnt stop us. the only question in this game, this year, and last year is our defense. we score 30 points a game. that is all you should ever need. the rest is up to the defense.

EXACTLY.  McFadden and Jones are just that freakin good.  and I believe they have gotten better since last year.

[Killean]

Saban is 3-2 vs. Nutt.


Not exactly "totally outscheming" him.  Especially since Saban posted those numbers at LSU and Alabama is no freakin' LSU.

[jpenrod1]

Saban will make the necessary adjustments and shut the gimmick formations down.  Nutt ain't smart enough on his feet to counter.

If nobody else could last year what makes you think Alabama can this year?

[Justifiable Hogicide]

The David Lee "Pro-Style" Wishbone.

What a joke.

[MrsPiggy]

obviously you try to make us pass. doesnt mean you can. LSU had one of the best D in the country, couldnt stop us. the only question in this game, this year, and last year is our defense. we score 30 points a game. that is all you should ever need. the rest is up to the defense.

What was the final score in that LSU game last year?

[Boarish]

  "The Troy coach said that they spend 90% of their practice time on stopping the run......"

Um, .  .  . and how did that work out for him?

[paraloma]

I bet Gus sent him our playsheet.

[Dwight_K_Shrute]

Frank Broyles has proclaimed that it shall be called the Hambone.

[GrumpyHog]

Heck they can spend 99% working on the run since we have no passing game.

[Qbackinman]

Bama's passing doesn't look much better. That's the thing.

[PigPusher]

Saban will make the necessary adjustments and shut the gimmick formations down.  Nutt ain't smart enough on his feet to counter.

Well said.

[Fort Swine]

With all the running that is going to take place, the game should be over in an hour and a half. 

[e_dub]

Saban will make the necessary adjustments and shut the gimmick formations down.  Nutt ain't smart enough on his feet to counter.

If nobody else could last year what makes you think Alabama can this year?

Did you watch us play Florida or Wisconsin?  I think, even Miss Stank had some luck.  Just wondering.

[Chad In Real Life]

I hear we're going to come out in the HUNH

[Corganist]

Did you watch us play Florida or Wisconsin?  I think, even Miss Stank had some luck.  Just wondering.

We didn't run the ball extremely well against MSU and Florida, but I wouldn't say we were shut down.  DMac had 84 and 73 yards in those games, respectively. Not his best numbers, but not totally unrespectable. Especially for the Florida game, where he hurt himself fairly early on IIRC. A healthy DMac might have improved our fortunes that day. And we ran quite well in the Wisconsin game, even with a gimpy DMac. Felix ran for 150 by himself that game.

I think we're going to have to get over this idea that any coach or team can simply decide to load up on our run and stop it. Every team and coach we've played in the last two years have known that the key to beating us is stopping DMac and Felix. I don't think Nick Saban has any kind of magical run stopping strategy that no one else over the past couple years have had. As long as our guys stay healthy, the absolute best any team can ever hope for is to maybe slow us down...and the fact of the matter is that we haven't been slowed down all that often since DMac and Felix were turned loose in 2005.

[Oliver]

I don't know if you guys watched the Wisconsin game last year...but they pretty much stopped our run.  We held them to negative rushing yards in the 2nd half and still couldn't beat them.  People are starting to catch on to our one-dimensional offense.

[Mr. Prozac]

Frank Broyles has proclaimed that it shall be called the Hambone.

+1

[MDH]

I don't know if you guys watched the Wisconsin game last year...but they pretty much stopped our run.  We held them to negative rushing yards in the 2nd half and still couldn't beat them.  People are starting to catch on to our one-dimensional offense.

I don't think it's a matter of 'people are starting to catch on'.  I think people pretty much knew it for the majority of last season.  The question is- "Do you have the personnel to shut it down?"

I don't think Alabama does... this year.

[Corganist]

I don't know if you guys watched the Wisconsin game last year...but they pretty much stopped our run.  We held them to negative rushing yards in the 2nd half and still couldn't beat them.  People are starting to catch on to our one-dimensional offense.

                    CAR     YDS     AVG   TD      LG
Jones            14     150     10.7      2    76
McFadden      19      89      4.7       0     45
Dick              1      -12      -12.0    0

Team            34   232    6.8

It doesn't look to me like they stopped our run by any stretch of the imagination. Sure, we were one dimensional and needed some balance to turn our running output into badly needed points, but I think you give Wisconsin too much credit. Our problem was not that our running attack was ineffective that day, the problem was that we needed a little bit more from our offense than running and didn't get it. If Wisconsin is to get any credit at all for their defensive effort, its for shutting down the passing game and rendering our effectiveness running the ball useless (but seriously, it doesn't take much effort to shut down our passing game, does it?).

[samske]

We have not won a game in two years against a team with Average or better SEC athletes.  The only team that was close to that was Tennessee, but that doesn't count at they didn't have Ainge at QB and were completely out of sync.  Otherwise, we didn't fare well against LSU, Florida, Wisconsin, etc.  All of those teams played a 10 man front and largely held the running game down enough to outscore us.  I expect nothing less from Alabama.  If we lose this game, the season IS over as South Carolina, Tennessee, and LSU all can upset us or downright thrash us as LSU will do.

[Corganist]

Otherwise, we didn't fare well against LSU, Florida, Wisconsin, etc.  All of those teams played a 10 man front and largely held the running game down enough to outscore us. 

I'll give you Florida, maybe, but we ran the ball just fine against Wisconsin and exceptionally well against LSU. Really, the revisionist history is getting a little old. This idea that we lost late last season because our running attack was shut down just plain isn't true. It was breakdowns in the special teams and lack of passing game that doomed us in those games, not any kind of "10 man front" stopping our rushing attack. I'm not sure where people are getting this stuff.

[ErieHog]

He says that they are preparing for the Hogs offense like they would prepare for a team running the wishbone.  The Troy coach said that they spend 90% of their practice time on stopping the run......

http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/sports/1189672194127360.xml&coll=2

That is a misrepresentation of what Saban actually said; Saban likened it to preparing for an offense like the wishbone, where even a stellar simulation "would never give you the look you need."

When you prepare a team to face the option, you give different focuses to the position coaching of DEs, OLBs, and CBs and their responsibilities.

The distinction is a slight one, but a very important one.

[MuskogeeHogFan]

obviously you try to make us pass. doesnt mean you can. LSU had one of the best D in the country, couldnt stop us. the only question in this game, this year, and last year is our defense. we score 30 points a game. that is all you should ever need. the rest is up to the defense.

EXACTLY.  McFadden and Jones are just that freakin good.  and I believe they have gotten better since last year.

Since they don't do the blocking up front as well, the question is, is their offensive line better than last year? At this point in the season, no matter how much potential they have, probably not. Great backs still need blocking.

[IowaHog]

obviously you try to make us pass. doesnt mean you can. LSU had one of the best D in the country, couldnt stop us. the only question in this game, this year, and last year is our defense. we score 30 points a game. that is all you should ever need. the rest is up to the defense.

Actually, we only scored 30 points twice against SEC competition.  Yeah, we scored 26 on LSU, but we also only scored 26 on SC, 28 on Miss St., 24 on Bama, 27 on Auburn, 21 on Vanderbilt and 28 on Florida.  What defense it is doesn't matter because DMAC and Felix will break 3 or 4 on anyone, but we still can't convert a third and long pass to sustain a drive every time we have the ball.

[TMc]

I gotta feeling we are going to see the triple option all night long tomorrow night.., I have no inside source here.., but I don't look for more than 10 passes if they can move the ball.  If they can run it right- I'm all for it.., BAMA won't stop it.

[fineswine]

Frank Broyles has proclaimed that it shall be called the Hambone.

That is the funniest thing I've read in a long time!

[MuskogeeHogFan]

I gotta feeling we are going to see the triple option all night long tomorrow night.., I have no inside source here.., but I don't look for more than 10 passes if they can move the ball.  If they can run it right- I'm all for it.., BAMA won't stop it.

Guess what? If they try to run the triple option on a wet field, we will put the ball on the ground 4-6 times during the game and over half of those will be recovered by Bama. If that happens, we will lose.

[HoopS]

They are clearly mistaken.   David Lee put in a pro-style passing attack.  They prepare for the Wishbone, we pick'em to pieces through the air. It's that simple. 












Pardon me for pretending we would actually follow through with the promises made again.

[MDH]

They are clearly mistaken.   David Lee put in a pro-style passing attack.  They prepare for the Wishbone, we pick'em to pieces through the air. It's that simple. 

The masterful subterfuge of this coaching staff supports the rumor that one or more may have intelligence in their background.

[Conway Cool Daddy]

I don't know if you guys watched the Wisconsin game last year...but they pretty much stopped our run.  We held them to negative rushing yards in the 2nd half and still couldn't beat them.  People are starting to catch on to our one-dimensional offense.

Darren was badly banged up against Wisconsin. He was actually causght from behind which never happens if he is healthy. Wisconsin's defense was also about twice as good as the one we'll face Saturday.

[abraHAM_lincoln]

IMO even with all of that practice, I don't think their defensive line can stop McFadden, Jones, or Hillis. 

I don't think THEY Feel they can stop them..but will scheme to control them...hoping to get a few 3 and outs..then pile drive our defense which is not too deep and has little to no expereince beyond the first teamers.

[Conway Cool Daddy]

obviously you try to make us pass. doesnt mean you can. LSU had one of the best D in the country, couldnt stop us. the only question in this game, this year, and last year is our defense. we score 30 points a game. that is all you should ever need. the rest is up to the defense.

Uh...we still lost.  Had we had a passing game, we could have won that game.

What happens if we run the ball instead of trying 20+ passes (of which we horribly unsuccessful at?)
What happens if we run the ball on 4th and 1 in the 4th quarter instead of giving up the sack?

Don't get me wrong I totally agree with you, but why even try to pass when you can't even pick up a first down in a two minute offense. It's pathetic.

[Wayne Watson]

Otherwise, we didn't fare well against LSU, Florida, Wisconsin, etc.  All of those teams played a 10 man front and largely held the running game down enough to outscore us. 

I'll give you Florida, maybe, but we ran the ball just fine against Wisconsin and exceptionally well against LSU. Really, the revisionist history is getting a little old. This idea that we lost late last season because our running attack was shut down just plain isn't true. It was breakdowns in the special teams and lack of passing game that doomed us in those games, not any kind of "10 man front" stopping our rushing attack. I'm not sure where people are getting this stuff.

It doesn't matter how good you run the ball because if you don't get the ball over the goal line,  you're dead in the water.

[Tripod1]

I don't know if you guys watched the Wisconsin game last year...but they pretty much stopped our run.  We held them to negative rushing yards in the 2nd half and still couldn't beat them.  People are starting to catch on to our one-dimensional offense.

                    CAR     YDS     AVG   TD      LG
Jones            14     150     10.7      2    76
McFadden      19      89      4.7       0     45
Dick              1      -12      -12.0    0

Team            34   232    6.8

It doesn't look to me like they stopped our run by any stretch of the imagination. Sure, we were one dimensional and needed some balance to turn our running output into badly needed points, but I think you give Wisconsin too much credit. Our problem was not that our running attack was ineffective that day, the problem was that we needed a little bit more from our offense than running and didn't get it. If Wisconsin is to get any credit at all for their defensive effort, its for shutting down the passing game and rendering our effectiveness running the ball useless (but seriously, it doesn't take much effort to shut down our passing game, does it?).

About all those stats prove is that we can "out stat" teams and our DUMBA$$ coach can still find a way for us to lose.

[knowholesbarred]

okay all you guys boasting of our running game against LSU, Fla, and Wisc get in line to receive your championship rings for rushing yards. We lost those games but we got style points for the amount of yards we gained. Hell if I am beating you on the score board, I will let you run all day long and burn up the clock if that is what makes you feel good and at the end of the day if we lose we can always pronounce ourselves as winners and fighters and give ourselves pats on the back and second place championship bling bling.Afterall that is what losers do........
Winners telling jokes and losers crying deal out those rings ?

[Hawg Daddy Cool]

He says that they are preparing for the Hogs offense like they would prepare for a team running the wishbone.  The Troy coach said that they spend 90% of their practice time on stopping the run......

http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/sports/1189672194127360.xml&coll=2

LOL...did you even read the article?  It's threads like these that show how anal some of you guys are when looking for things to bash on.  Saban didn't call our offense a wishbone offense.  He said it was similar to preparing for a wishbone because even if they simulate it perfectly, it doesn't give you every look that you need.  He never called our offense the wishbone.  Here is the quote:

Saban likened it to preparing for an offense like the wishbone, where even a stellar simulation "would never give you the look you need." Plus, preparing for him at quarterback adds an entirely separate dimension.

Only an Arkansas "fan" would turn that article into something negative against our offense.  Saban is talking about how hard it is to prepare for. 

[El Puerco Grande]

People keep calling the Hogs offense "one-dimensional". That simply is incorrect. We run both left and right.

[parrishw]

I hear we're going to come out in the HUNH

Only one problem with this..........our head coach will be sayin'........'those plays come so fast it just messes me up'

[HogSophist]

Otherwise, we didn't fare well against LSU, Florida, Wisconsin, etc.  All of those teams played a 10 man front and largely held the running game down enough to outscore us. 

I'll give you Florida, maybe, but we ran the ball just fine against Wisconsin and exceptionally well against LSU. Really, the revisionist history is getting a little old. This idea that we lost late last season because our running attack was shut down just plain isn't true. It was breakdowns in the special teams and lack of passing game that doomed us in those games, not any kind of "10 man front" stopping our rushing attack. I'm not sure where people are getting this stuff.

Do you need to see rushing yards of 0 before you think the running game was shut down?

[Hawg Daddy Cool]

Otherwise, we didn't fare well against LSU, Florida, Wisconsin, etc.  All of those teams played a 10 man front and largely held the running game down enough to outscore us. 

I'll give you Florida, maybe, but we ran the ball just fine against Wisconsin and exceptionally well against LSU. Really, the revisionist history is getting a little old. This idea that we lost late last season because our running attack was shut down just plain isn't true. It was breakdowns in the special teams and lack of passing game that doomed us in those games, not any kind of "10 man front" stopping our rushing attack. I'm not sure where people are getting this stuff.

Do you need to see rushing yards of 0 before you think the running game was shut down?

We rushed for 300 against LSU.  Are you trying to say that LSU shut our running game down???

[DeltaBoy]

Special teams failures had more to do with losing the last 3 games then Nutt playcalling and Offense.  Yet Shebist is still here and he will rear his ugly head again and get us beat!

[PorcineSublime]

They are clearly mistaken.   David Lee put in a pro-style passing attack.  They prepare for the Wishbone, we pick'em to pieces through the air. It's that simple. 

The masterful subterfuge of this coaching staff supports the rumor that one or more may have intelligence in their background.

I am not sure that I have seen "our coaching staff" and "intelligence" collide in the same sentence too often lately. 

As for the Bama team prep for this game, I think it is pretty simple. Whether or not they can execute those preparations is what is the wildcard. I hope tha tehy can't , but fear that they can. we'll see tomorrow.

[deltahogfan]

Thank you!

obviously you try to make us pass. doesnt mean you can. LSU had one of the best D in the country, couldnt stop us. the only question in this game, this year, and last year is our defense. we score 30 points a game. that is all you should ever need. the rest is up to the defense.

What was the final score in that LSU game last year?

[deltahogfan]

Good one. Wish I had thought of that.

People keep calling the Hogs offense "one-dimensional". That simply is incorrect. We run both left and right.

[HatfieldHog]

Gentleman, we sometimes misunderstand the "object" of Bama or any other team.  Their object is not to "stop" our running game, it is to "manage" our running game.  To contain it, until it is not gonna score 35 against them.  If they can limit us to 2 field goals instead of 2 touchdowns at key places in the game, then they will depend upon their offense to score their 30 against our "D."  Then, if all goes right, they win 30-24 against Arkansas.

Our running style of offense will struggle most when we are in the red zone.  When their D-backs and safties don't have to chase a WR right out of the play, then their D get's much better.

See ya

[TheHogFan]

He says that they are preparing for the Hogs offense like they would prepare for a team running the wishbone.  The Troy coach said that they spend 90% of their practice time on stopping the run......

http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/sports/1189672194127360.xml&coll=2

That is a misrepresentation of what Saban actually said; Saban likened it to preparing for an offense like the wishbone, where even a stellar simulation "would never give you the look you need."

When you prepare a team to face the option, you give different focuses to the position coaching of DEs, OLBs, and CBs and their responsibilities.

The distinction is a slight one, but a very important one.

Amazing how people interpret quotes how they want to so they can further their agendas.