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Bama's 3-4 Defense . . . Good or bad for D-Mac?

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Brand X Hog Fan

August 29, 2007, 05:43:03 pm
I guess Bama lost their nose tackle today with an ankle fracture but they have a pretty good replacement. My question is as the title of the thread implies: Will our running game thrive or be hindered against the 3-4? I do know that their linebackers will have to wrap up since the tackles aren't likely to get a good shot at D-Mac. If he gets into the secondary we all know what can happen then ;D! What do y'all think?
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ErieHog

August 29, 2007, 05:44:43 pm #1
DMac may get 250.

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novack2

August 29, 2007, 05:52:47 pm #2
Some might disagree with me on my opinion, but it's not necessarily what type of defense is on the field. It is usually about how the defense lines up. When McFadden breaks out for the long runs, the defense is usually crammed in the box. Most people think this will slow him down, and yes it might take his 8 or 9 yard runs and make them 2 or 3. But it's in those same situations where he gets that small amount of daylight that he needs and he is gone because everyone is pinched in too tight to even have a chance at him.

I say he is deadly no matter what kind of defense is out there, or even how that defense is lined up. Play tight and get the long run. Play off the ball and he gets 10-15 a carry and your secondary gets a ton of shoulders and stiff-arms from him. It's punishment for Bama either way.

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HamShank

August 29, 2007, 05:58:25 pm #3
My friends from Bama say their D is worse than it's been in years and that McFadden is going to eat 'em up.  They contend they'll stay in the game and maybe win because of their passing game and better coaching (...and if we had one or the other, we would be National Champs this year).

HawgAdvocate

August 29, 2007, 05:59:50 pm #4 Last Edit: August 29, 2007, 06:05:22 pm by HawgAdvocate
If I'm DMAC and I had a choice, I'd rather face a 4-3 knowing how well our OL moves the pile as opposed to the 3-4.

Having that extra LB allows them more time to read and react in traffic. It will force him to move up the middle more often, instead of as many off-tackle runs he could do against a 4-3.

Baltimore Ravens and Pittsburgh Steelers: Both notorius 3-4s and both awesome against the run. Granted you need a monster at DT, and great depth at LB, but they've got great talent.
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Chad In Real Life

August 29, 2007, 06:04:42 pm #5
I would like him against a 3-4.  He may not be breaking 80yd runs but he should be able to keep a good steady average
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ErieHog

August 29, 2007, 06:06:52 pm #6 Last Edit: August 29, 2007, 06:11:24 pm by ErieHog
Quote from: FarrelHog on August 29, 2007, 06:04:42 pm
I would like him against a 3-4.  He may not be breaking 80yd runs but he should be able to keep a good steady average

I'll trade 15  15 yarders, for 2 80 yarders.
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Chad In Real Life

August 29, 2007, 06:08:43 pm #7
Quote from: ErieHog on August 29, 2007, 06:06:52 pm
Quote from: FarrelHog on August 29, 2007, 06:04:42 pm
I would like him against a 3-4.  He may not be breaking 80yd runs but he should be able to keep a good steady average

I'll trade 15  15 yarders, for 2 80 yarder.

agreed
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tophawg19

August 29, 2007, 06:09:11 pm #8
the main thing i see is the 3/4 makes getting to the corners harder but the middle is softer .
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ErieHog

August 29, 2007, 06:12:01 pm #9
Quote from: tophawg19 on August 29, 2007, 06:09:11 pm
the main thing i see is the 3/4 makes getting to the corners harder but the middle is softer .

Given that DMac is at his best running N-S, this is good.  He gets from the LOS to the 2nd level faster than any man alive.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

IHateVitale

August 29, 2007, 06:43:09 pm #10
Quote from: Seahawk4ever on August 29, 2007, 05:43:03 pm
I guess Bama lost their nose tackle today with an ankle fracture but they have a pretty good replacement. My question is as the title of the thread implies: Will our running game thrive or be hindered against the 3-4? I do know that their linebackers will have to wrap up since the tackles aren't likely to get a good shot at D-Mac. If he gets into the secondary we all know what can happen then ;D! What do y'all think?

this guy was a 3rd string center and played NT at 265 lbs, you really cant say they have a good backup :P
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ErieHog

August 29, 2007, 06:46:52 pm #11
Quote from: IHateVitale on August 29, 2007, 06:43:09 pm
Quote from: Seahawk4ever on August 29, 2007, 05:43:03 pm
I guess Bama lost their nose tackle today with an ankle fracture but they have a pretty good replacement. My question is as the title of the thread implies: Will our running game thrive or be hindered against the 3-4? I do know that their linebackers will have to wrap up since the tackles aren't likely to get a good shot at D-Mac. If he gets into the secondary we all know what can happen then ;D! What do y'all think?

this guy was a 3rd string center and played NT at 265 lbs, you really cant say they have a good backup :P

They had bulked him up to 285, according to their media guide.   Rumors circulate they may convert a young OL to add depth.  Things are pretty bad in the defensive trenches for Bama.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

1longshot

August 29, 2007, 06:49:02 pm #12
dmac should make espn have trouble getting to all of his highlights by the next week
 

Brand X Hog Fan

August 29, 2007, 06:55:47 pm #13
Quote from: ErieHog on August 29, 2007, 06:46:52 pm
Quote from: IHateVitale on August 29, 2007, 06:43:09 pm
Quote from: Seahawk4ever on August 29, 2007, 05:43:03 pm
I guess Bama lost their nose tackle today with an ankle fracture but they have a pretty good replacement. My question is as the title of the thread implies: Will our running game thrive or be hindered against the 3-4? I do know that their linebackers will have to wrap up since the tackles aren't likely to get a good shot at D-Mac. If he gets into the secondary we all know what can happen then ;D! What do y'all think?

this guy was a 3rd string center and played NT at 265 lbs, you really cant say they have a good backup :P

They had bulked him up to 285, according to their media guide.   Rumors circulate they may convert a young OL to add depth.  Things are pretty bad in the defensive trenches for Bama.

Yeah, I am not up on their depth that much. The guy that is starting now was the #1 after spring practice, I thought, and the guy that broke his leg just beat him out this fall. I assume they are pretty equal, but may be equally as bad.
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PorkSoda

August 29, 2007, 06:58:04 pm #14
3-4 are used to confuse an offense as the blitz can come from a number of differen places.  But if bama is having trouble at the D-line and starts getting pushed around, it will get ugly real quick.  Few Lb's will have the speed and reaction time to beat Mcfadden to the corner.  Not to mention it looks like everyone is standing still when he breaks one up the middle.  If they actually want to slow Mcfadden, they need to run a 5-2.  That is how we stopped PJ Hill dead in the water in the capitol one bowl.  I think they ended up with negative rushing yards in the second half.
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ErieHog

August 29, 2007, 06:58:51 pm #15
Quote from: Seahawk4ever on August 29, 2007, 06:55:47 pm
Quote from: ErieHog on August 29, 2007, 06:46:52 pm
Quote from: IHateVitale on August 29, 2007, 06:43:09 pm
Quote from: Seahawk4ever on August 29, 2007, 05:43:03 pm
I guess Bama lost their nose tackle today with an ankle fracture but they have a pretty good replacement. My question is as the title of the thread implies: Will our running game thrive or be hindered against the 3-4? I do know that their linebackers will have to wrap up since the tackles aren't likely to get a good shot at D-Mac. If he gets into the secondary we all know what can happen then ;D! What do y'all think?

this guy was a 3rd string center and played NT at 265 lbs, you really cant say they have a good backup :P

They had bulked him up to 285, according to their media guide.   Rumors circulate they may convert a young OL to add depth.  Things are pretty bad in the defensive trenches for Bama.

Yeah, I am not up on their depth that much. The guy that is starting now was the #1 after spring practice, I thought, and the guy that broke his leg just beat him out this fall. I assume they are pretty equal, but may be equally as bad.

Actually no.  The kid that broke his ankle was the guy who came out of spring ball with the staff raving about him as the building block around which they hoped to build a solid line this year-- his loss is a huge one.    I expect a good job of coaching them up, but you can't make a steak out of dog turds.    Alabama will cobble something together, but it will take time and experience.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

NWASooner

August 29, 2007, 07:13:01 pm #16
DMAC against a good 3-4?  Trouble.  DMAC against Bama's?  200 yards plus.

Their three linemen average 265 lbs.  A good 3-4 needs a NT at 300+ and the DE's at 275 - 300.  All three need to be big run stuffers.  (Think Marcus Spears when Saban was at LSU.)

Say what you want about Nutt but he coaches a good running game.  DMAC might average 8+ yards per carry.

Mark it down here.  Arkansas kills Bama and a week later, a VERY overconfident Arkansas team loses to Kentucky.

ballhog™

August 29, 2007, 07:23:55 pm #17
Quote from: PowderHawg on August 29, 2007, 06:58:04 pm
3-4 are used to confuse an offense as the blitz can come from a number of differen places.  But if bama is having trouble at the D-line and starts getting pushed around, it will get ugly real quick.  Few Lb's will have the speed and reaction time to beat Mcfadden to the corner.  Not to mention it looks like everyone is standing still when he breaks one up the middle.  If they actually want to slow Mcfadden, they need to run a 5-2.   That is how we stopped PJ Hill dead in the water in the capitol one bowl.  I think they ended up with negative rushing yards in the second half.

3-4 is basically a 5-2 when there aren't two wideouts on a side of the ball.

LBs often walk up to 9 techniques with a TE and move the tackle into a 3, 4, or 4I on the split side.
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ErieHog

August 29, 2007, 07:25:50 pm #18
Quote from: ballhog on August 29, 2007, 07:23:55 pm
Quote from: PowderHawg on August 29, 2007, 06:58:04 pm
3-4 are used to confuse an offense as the blitz can come from a number of differen places.  But if bama is having trouble at the D-line and starts getting pushed around, it will get ugly real quick.  Few Lb's will have the speed and reaction time to beat Mcfadden to the corner.  Not to mention it looks like everyone is standing still when he breaks one up the middle.  If they actually want to slow Mcfadden, they need to run a 5-2.   That is how we stopped PJ Hill dead in the water in the capitol one bowl.  I think they ended up with negative rushing yards in the second half.

3-4 is basically a 5-2 when there aren't two wideouts on a side of the ball.

LBs often walk up to 9 techniques with a TE and move the tackle into a 3, 4, or 4I on the split side.

The problem with going 5-2 against Arkansas will be that they'll be 265-280-275-285-260 across the front, with low experience;  their best returning LB does not play well in space, and is best when plugging a gap-- the best news for Alabama is that their returning secondary has excellent tacklers.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

Michaelt

August 29, 2007, 07:29:41 pm #19
I would think a runner like Dmac would do well against a 3-4; if the O-line gets their assignments correct. With only 3 down linemen he'd get to the second line quicker, and into open space that much quicker too...

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VirginiaHog

August 29, 2007, 08:13:49 pm #20
D-Mac will dominate against the 3-4 of Bama. The main reason is that Bama's D will not be that great. But about him against a 3-4 in general, Just think back to any game last year where he got to full speed and some momentum going. Playing a 3-4 means first contact will likely be from a backer. This means he will be full speed. Any defender who touches him will be one on one. How many people tackle him one on one. I say he goes for over 200 on ESPN!

XXL TideFan

August 29, 2007, 08:22:56 pm #21
The man is a beast, no doubt about that. You guys will see a lot of 3-5-3 and Dmac may well get 150 yds, but I still think that you will get out scored. Bama takes this one by 8.

IHateVitale

August 29, 2007, 08:30:25 pm #22
plus you got to think about this...that hole on Bama's d line is right where we got an All American named Luigs....so the comp just gets worse for an already dominating player
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alextuscaloosa

August 29, 2007, 08:54:27 pm #23
Easy to call it on paper, but whose to say DMAC doesn't get injured against Troy, which i hope doesn't happen, he is a beast of a player and as a Bama fan i know how it can be to loss a guy who can turn a game around like DMAC. Again we have no idea how either team will play yet, i've read that your Oline is still a ? whose to say that they will make holes for DMAC? lets just wait and see, i'm not willing to call this one yet.
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Pigzwillfly

August 29, 2007, 09:49:41 pm #24
Quote from: FarrelHog on August 29, 2007, 06:08:43 pm
Quote from: ErieHog on August 29, 2007, 06:06:52 pm
Quote from: FarrelHog on August 29, 2007, 06:04:42 pm
I would like him against a 3-4.  He may not be breaking 80yd runs but he should be able to keep a good steady average

I'll trade 15  15 yarders, for 2 80 yarder.

agreed

Disagree. You mean you wouldn't take two 80 yard breaks? He'd still have 13 more carries and if they gave up two 80yarders already no tellin what else he could do...

NWASooner

August 29, 2007, 09:54:11 pm #25
Quote3-4 is basically a 5-2 when there aren't two wideouts on a side of the ball.

Sometimes.  In a 3-4, the OLB's are generally built like LB's.  In a 5-2, they're built like DE's.  That's why no one runs a 5-2 anymore.  Good passing teams light them up.  During OU's option days, we had great 5-2's but everytime we played a good passing team, we'd get killed.

I prefer the 4-3 but the 3-4 is a solid scheme.  However, the key to the whole defense is the NT.  They're damn hard to find in the NFL so I'm thinking they'd be impossible to find on a consistent basis in college.  Why do you think Ted Washington is pushing 40 and teams still keep signing him?

You also need to recruit "tweener" OLB's but they're generally easier to find.  The MLB's also need to be more physical because they sometimes have to take on OG's.  Bama's will have to do this all season long after that 265 lbs NT gets knocked clean off the line.

Dugann

August 29, 2007, 10:18:11 pm #26
We should run over them...Roll BACKWARDS Tide!!! Jone and Dmac coming for a visit the Shock and Awe boys!!
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MuskogeeHogFan

August 29, 2007, 11:20:04 pm #27
Quote from: Seahawk4ever on August 29, 2007, 05:43:03 pm
I guess Bama lost their nose tackle today with an ankle fracture but they have a pretty good replacement. My question is as the title of the thread implies: Will our running game thrive or be hindered against the 3-4? I do know that their linebackers will have to wrap up since the tackles aren't likely to get a good shot at D-Mac. If he gets into the secondary we all know what can happen then ;D! What do y'all think?

I wouldn't be surprised to see them give us a semi- 5-2 look by sliding their DE's down inside in the gaps and creeping their OLB's up more towards the line of scrimmage as quasi-DE's with containment/rush responsibilities. I don't think they are crazy enough to try to defend against our run with a 3 man line......it sets up great blocking angles for down linemen and TE's. Frankly, this is where a good passing game would come in mighty handy. Bottom line, I just can't believe that we will see a 3-4 against us.
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MuskogeeHogFan

August 30, 2007, 07:52:02 am #28
Quote from: Fresh Legs™ on August 29, 2007, 11:29:41 pm
Why did Bama go to a 3-4?  I thought Saban was a 4-3 guy. 

Supposedly they had depth issues along the D-Line but they had an abundance of speedy LB's. Also, I am told that Saban wanted to bring a more Pro style D to the team that is a more aggressive, attacking style of defense, utilizing more mobile players(LB's).
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40YrHogFan

August 30, 2007, 09:03:25 am #29
My friends in Bama say they went 3-4 because of depth issues. Lots of LB's and not many DLinemen.

ErieHog

August 30, 2007, 09:11:32 am #30
...and this thins them out even further.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

kimjongsqUeAl

August 30, 2007, 09:15:50 am #31
in the 3-4 you better have at least 2 very fast and talented LBs.  AL has a chance but I doubt it since #5 is fatal when he gets out to the flat with his speed.
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TheHogFan

August 30, 2007, 09:17:11 am #32
Luigs is going to have a field day.

ErieHog

August 30, 2007, 09:20:46 am #33
Quote from: TheHogFan on August 30, 2007, 09:17:11 am
Luigs is going to have a field day.

Sending our 2nd most likely All-American against a raw, young, out of position playing undersized guy?

Yeah, I like the sound of that a lot :)
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

Hawg Daddy Cool

August 30, 2007, 09:30:26 am #34
The Bama game is going to be pure ground and pound.  If you are wanting a balanced offense and lots of passing from the Razorbacks,  this probably won't be the game for you to watch.  Bama probably will put 8 in the box to stop the run, but it's still going to be hard because once our RBs get a little bit of room, there isn't going to be anybody back to catch them.  I suspect this game is going to look a lot like the Auburn game last season where we only threw the ball 10 times, and pounded them with the running game in the second half.

DeltaBoy

August 30, 2007, 09:33:33 am #35
This means Dmac will pound it between the Tackle till they can spring Felix outside on a sweep.   Dmac goes 250+ but Hogs lose because Nick Sabin OWNS Hooten NUTT!
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TheHogFan

August 30, 2007, 09:34:03 am #36
Oh yeah, they are starting a true freshman at Middle Linebacker as well. Don't expect many passes.

ErieHog

August 30, 2007, 09:37:08 am #37
Quote from: DeltaBoy on August 30, 2007, 09:33:33 am
This means Dmac will pound it between the Tackle till they can spring Felix outside on a sweep.   Dmac goes 250+ but Hogs lose because Nick Sabin OWNS Hooten NUTT!

Owns to the tune of 3-2.   Yeah...that .600 PCT is phenomenal (unless, of course, being applied to Nutt, where it's mediocre).

I don't mind people ripping on Nutt, because he certainly deserves it-- but let's try to not be blind about it.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

LSPRazorbac

August 30, 2007, 09:45:01 am #38
Quote from: Seahawk4ever on August 29, 2007, 05:43:03 pm
I guess Bama lost their nose tackle today with an ankle fracture but they have a pretty good replacement. My question is as the title of the thread implies: Will our running game thrive or be hindered against the 3-4? I do know that their linebackers will have to wrap up since the tackles aren't likely to get a good shot at D-Mac. If he gets into the secondary we all know what can happen then ;D! What do y'all think?

The NT (Motley) that broke his ankle was moved from the offensive line because they were horrible at that position.  They were very pleased with Motley, he was undersized but very quick and in the spring game had a couple sacks I think.  Now their back to horrible.

From what I have heard from analysts, the nose guard is one of the more important positions in the 3-4 defense.  He doesn't provide much in the stat area, because his role is to  force to take on double teams and hold his ground which allows the linebackers to run and make plays.  Without a good nose guard, the position gets knocked back and allows offensive lineman to get to the linebackers. 

Dmac and Jones should have a great day if Bama's is weak at nose guard.

LSPRazorbac

August 30, 2007, 09:53:46 am #39
Quote from: Fresh Legs™ on August 29, 2007, 11:29:41 pm
Why did Bama go to a 3-4?  I thought Saban was a 4-3 guy. 

I believe Saban has always been a 3-4 guy but has used the 4-3 some.

He was an assistant with Bill Bellecheck and Bellecheck is a 3-4 guy.

He ran the 3-4 and 4-3 at LSU.

He ran the 3-4 at Miami.

Hoggish1

August 30, 2007, 10:26:01 am #40
Quote from: Seahawk4ever on August 29, 2007, 05:43:03 pm
I guess Bama lost their nose tackle today with an ankle fracture but they have a pretty good replacement. My question is as the title of the thread implies: Will our running game thrive or be hindered against the 3-4? I do know that their linebackers will have to wrap up since the tackles aren't likely to get a good shot at D-Mac. If he gets into the secondary we all know what can happen then ;D! What do y'all think?

It may be a good stategy for them because they may fell they can run to the ball a bit better with an extra backer. 

My guess is they will plan to have the equivalent of two extra very fast linebackers when they bring the corners up for a look of 6 behind the down linemen (9 in the box).  They will do this until we show that we have a serviceable passing game to move those corners off.

press ham

August 30, 2007, 10:34:19 am #41
line up in power I and run it between tackles against a 3-4 or 3-5-3.

LSPRazorbac

August 30, 2007, 10:35:00 am #42 Last Edit: August 30, 2007, 10:36:44 am by LSPRazorbac
Quote from: Hoggish1 on August 30, 2007, 10:26:01 am
Quote from: Seahawk4ever on August 29, 2007, 05:43:03 pm
I guess Bama lost their nose tackle today with an ankle fracture but they have a pretty good replacement. My question is as the title of the thread implies: Will our running game thrive or be hindered against the 3-4? I do know that their linebackers will have to wrap up since the tackles aren't likely to get a good shot at D-Mac. If he gets into the secondary we all know what can happen then ;D! What do y'all think?

It may be a good stategy for them because they may fell they can run to the ball a bit better with an extra backer. 

My guess is they will plan to have the equivalent of two extra very fast linebackers when they bring the corners up for a look of 6 behind the down linemen (9 in the box).  They will do this until we show that we have a serviceable passing game to move those corners off.

If they bring their corners up for a look of 6 behind the down linemen (9 in the box).  Who will be covering the wide receivers?  Heck CD could pitch it underhanded to them since they will be uncovered.

I can see them bringing their safeties up into the box, but their corners?

NWASooner

August 30, 2007, 03:13:00 pm #43
I don't care how good those DL are.  They're 260 lbs.  Arkansas, like most other teams now, run 300+ on the O-line.  Nutt knows how to coach a running game.  The Center takes care of the NT, the OG totally obliterates the MLB, the FB takes care of the other MLB, at that point the RB is 6 yards past the LOS.

Good luck with all that.

alextuscaloosa

August 30, 2007, 03:24:08 pm #44
Aren't y'all replaces 3 oline men?
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LSPRazorbac

August 30, 2007, 03:26:52 pm #45
Quote from: alextuscaloosa on August 30, 2007, 03:24:08 pm
Aren't y'all replaces 3 oline men?

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IHateVitale

August 30, 2007, 03:39:20 pm #46
Quote from: alextuscaloosa on August 30, 2007, 03:24:08 pm
Aren't y'all replaces 3 oline men?

and 2 spark plugs, i cant find replaces 3 oline men for a 2004 monte carlo anywhere........
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ErieHog

August 30, 2007, 03:42:14 pm #47
Quote from: alextuscaloosa on August 30, 2007, 03:24:08 pm
Aren't y'all replaces 3 oline men?

Yep.  2 of the people stepping in to start have had significant snaps in SEC play though, unlike most of your front 7.
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slopinhogs

August 30, 2007, 03:52:26 pm #48
if we can pass the ball successfully then Dmac will have a field day with them. HO HO HO laughing all the way. :razorback:
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alextuscaloosa

August 30, 2007, 04:05:39 pm #49 Last Edit: August 30, 2007, 04:09:12 pm by alextuscaloosa
Quote from: ErieHog on August 30, 2007, 03:42:14 pm
Quote from: alextuscaloosa on August 30, 2007, 03:24:08 pm
Aren't y'all replaces 3 oline men?

Yep.  2 of the people stepping in to start have had significant snaps in SEC play though, unlike most of your front 7.

If we were discussing last year you would be right, we are only replacing one olineman. Our starting LT had 800 snaps last season...only one new face there...check your facts.

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