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Quote from: Tomcat on August 23, 2007, 09:22:14 am

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Troy does have some talent, but I still don't think they will hang with the Hogs for 4 quarters.  The running game will run all over them...

Reality check and trivia question all in one. Of our SEC games last year, what two teams that were not ranked, limited us to 2 of our 4 lowest rushing totals last year? I ask this simply because I do not want to see us take Troy for granted. Many say our rushing game cannot be stopped. It is a tremendous rushing game, no doubt about that. But that is about the time you get fed a healthy portion of humble pie. Anyone know the answer?
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Isn't it funny how the guys like Harry King are already making excuses for Nutt, while Wally
is telling fans we should expect more out of this team than just being average.

It's almost like the media world is just as divided as the fan base.




 

PolishPigPower

As I stated over in the other thread, Troy can't play with us.  The logic is simple:

Troy utilizes a hurry-up, no-huddle spread attack, and all the experts know that this type of offense won't work against an SEC team.   ;)
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Quote from: MuskogeeHogFan on August 23, 2007, 10:05:05 am
Quote from: Tomcat on August 23, 2007, 09:22:14 am

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Troy does have some talent, but I still don't think they will hang with the Hogs for 4 quarters.  The running game will run all over them...

Reality check and trivia question all in one. Of our SEC games last year, what two teams that were not ranked, limited us to 2 of our 4 lowest rushing totals last year? I ask this simply because I do not want to see us take Troy for granted. Many say our rushing game cannot be stopped. It is a tremendous rushing game, no doubt about that. But that is about the time you get fed a healthy portion of humble pie. Anyone know the answer?

One of those was the Mississippi St. game where we only won by a couple of touchdowns due to some turnovers, correct?


Bomis Hawg

August 23, 2007, 10:14:02 am #154 Last Edit: August 23, 2007, 10:17:00 am by Bomis Hawg
I don't see Arkansas being an assured 28 point winnner.  Depends on which team for Troy comes to play.  The one that wasn't up for the UAB or Nebraska games after having two other road games or the one that upset Missouri and gave FSU a run for their money.

Herring's crew should have plenty of chances to get to Haugabook.  I hope they can keep Cattouse from gutting them, though.

17-3 or so at halftime.  Arkansas cruising late.

Hollywood_HOGan45

troy beat Mizzou and took NU to the limit a couple years ago.

it will be close at the half but i think we pull away by 17-24 points.

Bomis Hawg

Quote from: HOGWILD_F4I on August 23, 2007, 10:12:05 am
Quote from: MuskogeeHogFan on August 23, 2007, 10:05:05 am
Reality check and trivia question all in one. Of our SEC games last year, what two teams that were not ranked, limited us to 2 of our 4 lowest rushing totals last year? I ask this simply because I do not want to see us take Troy for granted. Many say our rushing game cannot be stopped. It is a tremendous rushing game, no doubt about that. But that is about the time you get fed a healthy portion of humble pie. Anyone know the answer?

One of those was the Mississippi St. game where we only won by a couple of touchdowns due to some turnovers, correct?

Ole Miss and Miss State.  Special teams and some passing helped the Ole Miss game.  MSU was just up for the game.  They found a way to hold Darren back. 

Florida and these two teams are the only teams to hold Arkansas under 4 ypc on the year.

johogs001

Does anyone realistically think Troy should be a challenge at all?  This makes no sense...this team is ranked 102 by CFN.  We should beat them by no less than 27.  If we don't we need to consider some ramifications.

ListenHereMister

Ole Miss had Patrick Willis and the JUCO kid(johnson?)
Miss St had a bye week, coming off a BAMA victory to prepare for us.

Troy has had 9 months to prepare for us, but they don't have the
Depth needed to contain our offense for 4 Quarters.
We win 38-17.

Silver Hog

Quote from: PolishPigPower on August 23, 2007, 10:09:58 am
As I stated over in the other thread, Troy can't play with us.  The logic is simple:

Troy utilizes a hurry-up, no-huddle spread attack, and all the experts know that this type of offense won't work against an SEC team.   ;)

Actually I think the experts say it won't work IN the SEC, so it might work -against- the SEC...

Hogginitall

Quote from: MuskogeeHogFan on August 23, 2007, 09:58:59 am
Quote from: Hogginitall on August 23, 2007, 09:03:57 am
Quote from: Mark Lericos on August 23, 2007, 08:52:55 am

Well as far as stopping the running game, what's to keep Troy from stacking 9 or 10 in the box if Monk is out like we all expect him to be?  No dissrespect to London and the rest, but if I were Troy, I'd focus on Dmac and Felix and dare the Hogs to beat me downfield.

  And in talking to some Troy alumni that know, believe me it's what they'll do.

I don't care if they stack 88 in the box, they will not STOP our running game.  LSU put 8, 9, 10 in the box last year and look what happened.  And they are a MUCH MORE TALENTED defense than Troy.  I'm not worried about our offense getting their yards.  I think we'll even pass for a good amount of yards.  I'm worried about our defense.  Not necessarily in this game, but for the SEC games this year.  Hopefully, Herring will have our secondary in a good place come our game against Alabama.

I'm expecting heavy penetration from our DL against Troy.  Although their QB is good, I don't think he'll have sufficient time to find a receiver downfield.  If he does have time, there's no doubt in my mind they'll score some points through the air.  All in all, Troy will probably score a few points, but we'll score many more.

I don't disagree, but let's keep in mind that two of our four lowest rushing totals for the year last year were not against defensive stalwarts like USC or LSU, but against Ole Miss and Miss State(141 and 128 respectively). So, can our rushing game be limited? Obviously it can, and need I remind us all, that was with a O-Line that was senior and experienced. That is not the case this year. Don't misunderstand, I am not saying that Troy is going to "way-lay" us. All I am saying is that having a healthy respect for ones opponent is a good thing. If our team comes out echoing the sentiments and overwhelming self confidence of many on this board, that all we essentially need to do is show up and roll our helmets out on the field for Troy to roll over, then we may find ourselves in for a more difficult day than we anticipated. You never, ever take an opponent, regardless of who they are or who you perceive them to be, for granted. That is the kind of thing that leads to unanticipated upsets.

I agree that our team cannot be overly confident and I don't think they will be.  It is the first game of the season, why would they overlook Troy?  There's no reason to, especially with a bye week following this game.  Our players will not overlook them. 

johogs001

Quote from: ListenHereMister on August 23, 2007, 10:19:12 am
Ole Miss had Patrick Willis and the JUCO kid(johnson?)
Miss St had a bye week, coming off a BAMA victory to prepare for us.

Troy has had 9 months to prepare for us, but they don't have the
Depth needed to contain our offense for 4 Quarters.
We win 38-17.

If they've had 9 months to prepare for our game then someone should go to the NCAA and discuss an investigation.  Pretty sure they have the same restrictions on practicing as every other NCAA team.

PolishPigPower

Quote from: swisshog on August 23, 2007, 10:20:54 am
Quote from: PolishPigPower on August 23, 2007, 10:09:58 am
As I stated over in the other thread, Troy can't play with us.  The logic is simple:

Troy utilizes a hurry-up, no-huddle spread attack, and all the experts know that this type of offense won't work against an SEC team.   ;)

Actually I think the experts say it won't work IN the SEC, so it might work -against- the SEC...

You are semantically correct, and I give you +1 for picking that out!
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slopinhogs

we aren't to the point where we can take anyone lightly. they may not hang with the Hogs for 4 qtrs but the Hogs better hang with them the first three.I'm interested in who the starting QB will be. they know who it should be but will they do the right thing is the question. :razorback:
win lose or tie i'll call the hogs till i die

Spiral_cut

I would like to see Nathan dick play most of the second half but I
doubt that happens.

MuskogeeHogFan

Quote from: Hogginitall on August 23, 2007, 10:21:26 am
Quote from: MuskogeeHogFan on August 23, 2007, 09:58:59 am
Quote from: Hogginitall on August 23, 2007, 09:03:57 am
Quote from: Mark Lericos on August 23, 2007, 08:52:55 am

Well as far as stopping the running game, what's to keep Troy from stacking 9 or 10 in the box if Monk is out like we all expect him to be?  No dissrespect to London and the rest, but if I were Troy, I'd focus on Dmac and Felix and dare the Hogs to beat me downfield.

  And in talking to some Troy alumni that know, believe me it's what they'll do.

I don't care if they stack 88 in the box, they will not STOP our running game.  LSU put 8, 9, 10 in the box last year and look what happened.  And they are a MUCH MORE TALENTED defense than Troy.  I'm not worried about our offense getting their yards.  I think we'll even pass for a good amount of yards.  I'm worried about our defense.  Not necessarily in this game, but for the SEC games this year.  Hopefully, Herring will have our secondary in a good place come our game against Alabama.

I'm expecting heavy penetration from our DL against Troy.  Although their QB is good, I don't think he'll have sufficient time to find a receiver downfield.  If he does have time, there's no doubt in my mind they'll score some points through the air.  All in all, Troy will probably score a few points, but we'll score many more.

I don't disagree, but let's keep in mind that two of our four lowest rushing totals for the year last year were not against defensive stalwarts like USC or LSU, but against Ole Miss and Miss State(141 and 128 respectively). So, can our rushing game be limited? Obviously it can, and need I remind us all, that was with a O-Line that was senior and experienced. That is not the case this year. Don't misunderstand, I am not saying that Troy is going to "way-lay" us. All I am saying is that having a healthy respect for ones opponent is a good thing. If our team comes out echoing the sentiments and overwhelming self confidence of many on this board, that all we essentially need to do is show up and roll our helmets out on the field for Troy to roll over, then we may find ourselves in for a more difficult day than we anticipated. You never, ever take an opponent, regardless of who they are or who you perceive them to be, for granted. That is the kind of thing that leads to unanticipated upsets.

I agree that our team cannot be overly confident and I don't think they will be.  It is the first game of the season, why would they overlook Troy?  There's no reason to, especially with a bye week following this game.  Our players will not overlook them. 

The only reasons I can see are the same as many of the sentiments I have seen expressed on here such as "no way they can stop our running game" or "we will win going away" or "expect the Hogs to beat them by 40" or similar statements. If they view it as many do on here as not much more than a scrimmage, we could find ourselves in trouble. Not that we will lose, but a closer game than we might care for. And having an open date after your first game, is not a big advantage. We needed that open date later in the season when we are banged up and in the middle of SEC play. It is about the worst time to have an open date. There is no advantage gained by having it after Troy and it has nothing to do with the attitudes of the players coming into the Troy game. It is of "null" effect and will not make them play better or worse.
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OnYourToes

I just hope Herring doesn't come out and say, "we are going to hold them to 24 points", like he did last year against the other trojans.
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Quote from: HOGWILD_F4I on August 23, 2007, 10:12:05 am
Quote from: MuskogeeHogFan on August 23, 2007, 10:05:05 am
Quote from: Tomcat on August 23, 2007, 09:22:14 am

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Troy does have some talent, but I still don't think they will hang with the Hogs for 4 quarters.  The running game will run all over them...

Reality check and trivia question all in one. Of our SEC games last year, what two teams that were not ranked, limited us to 2 of our 4 lowest rushing totals last year? I ask this simply because I do not want to see us take Troy for granted. Many say our rushing game cannot be stopped. It is a tremendous rushing game, no doubt about that. But that is about the time you get fed a healthy portion of humble pie. Anyone know the answer?

One of those was the Mississippi St. game where we only won by a couple of touchdowns due to some turnovers, correct?



50% winner....the other was Ole Miss. Not exactly defensive stalwarts compared to USC or LSU. So is it possible that our run game can be slowed down? I would say absolutely. And keep in mind, we had a experienced O-Line last year when that happened. I am not saying that Troy is going to stuff us, not at all. What I am saying is, if we(the team) take them for granted, we could find ourselves struggling more than we might like to. I can guarantee you that their focus is going to be on slowing down and limiting D-Mac and F-Jo and with Monk(if in fact he is) out of the picture, that just makes it a little simpler for them. They don't plan to stop them, they plan to limit them and not allow big plays. They may be small, but I promise you they will swarm to wherever the ball goes. We will win, but we won't cover.
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abraHAM_lincoln

Funny how a High School Coach has written a Book on an offensive scheme that alot of people have taken note of...

...but the self proclaimed Offensive Genius nutt can't get past the table of contents in writting anything on offense.  nutt's minor success has been on the legs of Matt Jones, Talley, and McFadden.   With out them..nutt has no answer and definately didn't even listen to the question.

MuskogeeHogFan

Quote from: ListenHereMister on August 23, 2007, 10:19:12 am
Ole Miss had Patrick Willis and the JUCO kid(johnson?)
Miss St had a bye week, coming off a BAMA victory to prepare for us.

Troy has had 9 months to prepare for us, but they don't have the
Depth needed to contain our offense for 4 Quarters.
We win 38-17.

Bingo-100% winner-Ole Miss and Miss State-you are correct sir. Point made.
Go Hogs Go!

MuskogeeHogFan

Quote from: Bomis Hawg on August 23, 2007, 10:16:25 am
Quote from: HOGWILD_F4I on August 23, 2007, 10:12:05 am
Quote from: MuskogeeHogFan on August 23, 2007, 10:05:05 am
Reality check and trivia question all in one. Of our SEC games last year, what two teams that were not ranked, limited us to 2 of our 4 lowest rushing totals last year? I ask this simply because I do not want to see us take Troy for granted. Many say our rushing game cannot be stopped. It is a tremendous rushing game, no doubt about that. But that is about the time you get fed a healthy portion of humble pie. Anyone know the answer?

One of those was the Mississippi St. game where we only won by a couple of touchdowns due to some turnovers, correct?

Ole Miss and Miss State.  Special teams and some passing helped the Ole Miss game.  MSU was just up for the game.  They found a way to hold Darren back. 

Florida and these two teams are the only teams to hold Arkansas under 4 ypc on the year.

Another winner.......you are correct. If they can do it, how can we believe the Troy won't try to hold us in check for 3 qtrs?
Go Hogs Go!

MuskogeeHogFan

Quote from: WizardofhOgZ on August 23, 2007, 09:43:30 am
http://www.nwaonline.net/articles/2007/08/23/columns/harry_king/082307king.txt

I predicted Hogs 27 - 10 in June, and I see no reason to change that prediction now.  Those expecting them to roll over need to look at where they've been and the quality of athletes that they're beginning to get (DeMarcus Ware, anyone?).  We are better, but not by as much as most Hog fans want to believe.

We'll win - but it will be close enough to allow the coaches to keep the players' attention during off-week preparation for Alabama - and that's a good thing!

For once Wiz, you and I agree, but I have it as a 34-20 ball game.
Go Hogs Go!

MuskogeeHogFan

Quote from: Hogginitall on August 23, 2007, 09:03:57 am
Quote from: Mark Lericos on August 23, 2007, 08:52:55 am

Well as far as stopping the running game, what's to keep Troy from stacking 9 or 10 in the box if Monk is out like we all expect him to be?  No dissrespect to London and the rest, but if I were Troy, I'd focus on Dmac and Felix and dare the Hogs to beat me downfield.

  And in talking to some Troy alumni that know, believe me it's what they'll do.

I don't care if they stack 88 in the box, they will not STOP our running game.  LSU put 8, 9, 10 in the box last year and look what happened.  And they are a MUCH MORE TALENTED defense than Troy.  I'm not worried about our offense getting their yards.  I think we'll even pass for a good amount of yards.  I'm worried about our defense.  Not necessarily in this game, but for the SEC games this year.  Hopefully, Herring will have our secondary in a good place come our game against Alabama.

I'm expecting heavy penetration from our DL against Troy.  Although their QB is good, I don't think he'll have sufficient time to find a receiver downfield.  If he does have time, there's no doubt in my mind they'll score some points through the air.  All in all, Troy will probably score a few points, but we'll score many more.

You better HOPE we pass for a respectable amount of yards in EVERY game if we expect to win more than 8 this year in the regular season.
Go Hogs Go!

 

Hogginitall

August 23, 2007, 10:53:01 am #174 Last Edit: August 23, 2007, 10:56:04 am by Hogginitall
Quote from: MuskogeeHogFan on August 23, 2007, 10:34:38 am
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Quote from: Hogginitall on August 23, 2007, 09:03:57 am
Quote from: Mark Lericos on August 23, 2007, 08:52:55 am

Well as far as stopping the running game, what's to keep Troy from stacking 9 or 10 in the box if Monk is out like we all expect him to be?  No dissrespect to London and the rest, but if I were Troy, I'd focus on Dmac and Felix and dare the Hogs to beat me downfield.

  And in talking to some Troy alumni that know, believe me it's what they'll do.

I don't care if they stack 88 in the box, they will not STOP our running game.  LSU put 8, 9, 10 in the box last year and look what happened.  And they are a MUCH MORE TALENTED defense than Troy.  I'm not worried about our offense getting their yards.  I think we'll even pass for a good amount of yards.  I'm worried about our defense.  Not necessarily in this game, but for the SEC games this year.  Hopefully, Herring will have our secondary in a good place come our game against Alabama.

I'm expecting heavy penetration from our DL against Troy.  Although their QB is good, I don't think he'll have sufficient time to find a receiver downfield.  If he does have time, there's no doubt in my mind they'll score some points through the air.  All in all, Troy will probably score a few points, but we'll score many more.

I don't disagree, but let's keep in mind that two of our four lowest rushing totals for the year last year were not against defensive stalwarts like USC or LSU, but against Ole Miss and Miss State(141 and 128 respectively). So, can our rushing game be limited? Obviously it can, and need I remind us all, that was with a O-Line that was senior and experienced. That is not the case this year. Don't misunderstand, I am not saying that Troy is going to "way-lay" us. All I am saying is that having a healthy respect for ones opponent is a good thing. If our team comes out echoing the sentiments and overwhelming self confidence of many on this board, that all we essentially need to do is show up and roll our helmets out on the field for Troy to roll over, then we may find ourselves in for a more difficult day than we anticipated. You never, ever take an opponent, regardless of who they are or who you perceive them to be, for granted. That is the kind of thing that leads to unanticipated upsets.

I agree that our team cannot be overly confident and I don't think they will be.  It is the first game of the season, why would they overlook Troy?  There's no reason to, especially with a bye week following this game.  Our players will not overlook them. 

The only reasons I can see are the same as many of the sentiments I have seen expressed on here such as "no way they can stop our running game" or "we will win going away" or "expect the Hogs to beat them by 40" or similar statements. If they view it as many do on here as not much more than a scrimmage, we could find ourselves in trouble. Not that we will lose, but a closer game than we might care for. And having an open date after your first game, is not a big advantage. We needed that open date later in the season when we are banged up and in the middle of SEC play. It is about the worst time to have an open date. There is no advantage gained by having it after Troy and it has nothing to do with the attitudes of the players coming into the Troy game. It is of "null" effect and will not make them play better or worse.

We're JUST FANS.  We don't play on the field.  We can speculate and overlook as many opponents as we want.  It won't effect the play of Arkansas' football team.  I agree that if they have the same mentality, then we could get into some trouble.  But, this is the FIRST GAME OF THE SEASON.  The players on the team will not overlook ANY opponent in the first game of the season.  AND ESPECIALLY not when we have a bye week following that game.  If we don't look sharp in this game, it won't be because we are overlooking Troy, it will be because it is the first game of the season (ironing out the kinks, if you will).

budcampbellfan

we don't play a meaningful game until mid-Sept., no meaningful home game until late Sept. - unless we get beat by Troy.  That would be meaningful.
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MuskogeeHogFan

Quote from: Hogginitall on August 23, 2007, 10:53:01 am
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Quote from: Mark Lericos on August 23, 2007, 08:52:55 am

Well as far as stopping the running game, what's to keep Troy from stacking 9 or 10 in the box if Monk is out like we all expect him to be?  No dissrespect to London and the rest, but if I were Troy, I'd focus on Dmac and Felix and dare the Hogs to beat me downfield.

  And in talking to some Troy alumni that know, believe me it's what they'll do.

I don't care if they stack 88 in the box, they will not STOP our running game.  LSU put 8, 9, 10 in the box last year and look what happened.  And they are a MUCH MORE TALENTED defense than Troy.  I'm not worried about our offense getting their yards.  I think we'll even pass for a good amount of yards.  I'm worried about our defense.  Not necessarily in this game, but for the SEC games this year.  Hopefully, Herring will have our secondary in a good place come our game against Alabama.

I'm expecting heavy penetration from our DL against Troy.  Although their QB is good, I don't think he'll have sufficient time to find a receiver downfield.  If he does have time, there's no doubt in my mind they'll score some points through the air.  All in all, Troy will probably score a few points, but we'll score many more.

I don't disagree, but let's keep in mind that two of our four lowest rushing totals for the year last year were not against defensive stalwarts like USC or LSU, but against Ole Miss and Miss State(141 and 128 respectively). So, can our rushing game be limited? Obviously it can, and need I remind us all, that was with a O-Line that was senior and experienced. That is not the case this year. Don't misunderstand, I am not saying that Troy is going to "way-lay" us. All I am saying is that having a healthy respect for ones opponent is a good thing. If our team comes out echoing the sentiments and overwhelming self confidence of many on this board, that all we essentially need to do is show up and roll our helmets out on the field for Troy to roll over, then we may find ourselves in for a more difficult day than we anticipated. You never, ever take an opponent, regardless of who they are or who you perceive them to be, for granted. That is the kind of thing that leads to unanticipated upsets.

I agree that our team cannot be overly confident and I don't think they will be.  It is the first game of the season, why would they overlook Troy?  There's no reason to, especially with a bye week following this game.  Our players will not overlook them. 

The only reasons I can see are the same as many of the sentiments I have seen expressed on here such as "no way they can stop our running game" or "we will win going away" or "expect the Hogs to beat them by 40" or similar statements. If they view it as many do on here as not much more than a scrimmage, we could find ourselves in trouble. Not that we will lose, but a closer game than we might care for. And having an open date after your first game, is not a big advantage. We needed that open date later in the season when we are banged up and in the middle of SEC play. It is about the worst time to have an open date. There is no advantage gained by having it after Troy and it has nothing to do with the attitudes of the players coming into the Troy game. It is of "null" effect and will not make them play better or worse.

We're JUST FANS.  We don't play on the field.  The players on the team will not overlook ANY opponent in the first game of the season.  AND ESPECIALLY not when we have a bye week following that game.

That is pretty repetitive, what do you base that on? A hunch? A gut feeling? And what does the bye week have to do with it? It is the absolute worst time for a bye week and if you don't believe me, go ask some coaches. Know any?
Go Hogs Go!

Hogginitall

"And having an open date after your first game, is not a big advantage. We needed that open date later in the season when we are banged up and in the middle of SEC play. It is about the worst time to have an open date. There is no advantage gained by having it after Troy and it has nothing to do with the attitudes of the players coming into the Troy game. It is of "null" effect and will not make them play better or worse."

It's definitely an advantage in the sense that the team will have all of their focus on beating Troy, rather than looking forward to the Alabama game the following week.  They know they will have an extra week to prepare for Alabama, so there is no reason to be looking forward to that game.  They'll have plenty of time to prepare for the Bammers.

Landonhog

Quote from: Hollywood_HOGan45 on August 23, 2007, 10:15:43 am
troy beat Mizzou and took NU to the limit a couple years ago.

it will be close at the half but i think we pull away by 17-24 points.

Yeah, Nebraska only scored SIX (6) rushing touchdowns on Troy last year.

I think we'll be ok...

Hogginitall

Quote from: MuskogeeHogFan on August 23, 2007, 10:56:18 am
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Quote from: Mark Lericos on August 23, 2007, 08:52:55 am

Well as far as stopping the running game, what's to keep Troy from stacking 9 or 10 in the box if Monk is out like we all expect him to be?  No dissrespect to London and the rest, but if I were Troy, I'd focus on Dmac and Felix and dare the Hogs to beat me downfield.

  And in talking to some Troy alumni that know, believe me it's what they'll do.

I don't care if they stack 88 in the box, they will not STOP our running game.  LSU put 8, 9, 10 in the box last year and look what happened.  And they are a MUCH MORE TALENTED defense than Troy.  I'm not worried about our offense getting their yards.  I think we'll even pass for a good amount of yards.  I'm worried about our defense.  Not necessarily in this game, but for the SEC games this year.  Hopefully, Herring will have our secondary in a good place come our game against Alabama.

I'm expecting heavy penetration from our DL against Troy.  Although their QB is good, I don't think he'll have sufficient time to find a receiver downfield.  If he does have time, there's no doubt in my mind they'll score some points through the air.  All in all, Troy will probably score a few points, but we'll score many more.

I don't disagree, but let's keep in mind that two of our four lowest rushing totals for the year last year were not against defensive stalwarts like USC or LSU, but against Ole Miss and Miss State(141 and 128 respectively). So, can our rushing game be limited? Obviously it can, and need I remind us all, that was with a O-Line that was senior and experienced. That is not the case this year. Don't misunderstand, I am not saying that Troy is going to "way-lay" us. All I am saying is that having a healthy respect for ones opponent is a good thing. If our team comes out echoing the sentiments and overwhelming self confidence of many on this board, that all we essentially need to do is show up and roll our helmets out on the field for Troy to roll over, then we may find ourselves in for a more difficult day than we anticipated. You never, ever take an opponent, regardless of who they are or who you perceive them to be, for granted. That is the kind of thing that leads to unanticipated upsets.

I agree that our team cannot be overly confident and I don't think they will be.  It is the first game of the season, why would they overlook Troy?  There's no reason to, especially with a bye week following this game.  Our players will not overlook them. 

The only reasons I can see are the same as many of the sentiments I have seen expressed on here such as "no way they can stop our running game" or "we will win going away" or "expect the Hogs to beat them by 40" or similar statements. If they view it as many do on here as not much more than a scrimmage, we could find ourselves in trouble. Not that we will lose, but a closer game than we might care for. And having an open date after your first game, is not a big advantage. We needed that open date later in the season when we are banged up and in the middle of SEC play. It is about the worst time to have an open date. There is no advantage gained by having it after Troy and it has nothing to do with the attitudes of the players coming into the Troy game. It is of "null" effect and will not make them play better or worse.

We're JUST FANS.  We don't play on the field.  The players on the team will not overlook ANY opponent in the first game of the season.  AND ESPECIALLY not when we have a bye week following that game.

That is pretty repetitive, what do you base that on? A hunch? A gut feeling? And what does the bye week have to do with it? It is the absolute worst time for a bye week and if you don't believe me, go ask some coaches. Know any?

Yeah, I do actually.  And they worry more about overlooking an opponent in a "sandwich game" or a "look-ahead game" more than they do overlooking an opponent in the first game of the season.  In this case, there is nothing to look-ahead to (there is an off week the following Saturday) and there is no "sandwich" (it is the first game of the season).

prairiehogcompanion

Sad day when a) there's no fan outrage over these stupid cupcake "games" and b) there's such little self-esteem around tehg program that good fans will speculate about how "tough" Troy might be.

Even in the wild chance that Toy turned out to be tough, the headline there would not be "Troy Gives Hogs a Scare," but rather, "Arkansas Self-Destructs Against Lowly Troy."

Razorback Jedi

I love how fans "aren't looking past <insert opponent here>"

Hogginitall

By the way, I haven't ONCE said that I think this is a good time for a bye week.  I think it is a horrible time for a bye week, especially when your team plays in the SEC with physically demanding games every week.  I'm contending that the bye week will help our team focus on beating Troy in the opening game rather than looking ahead to the Alabama game.  That is the ONLY way that having the bye week after the Troy game will help us this year...well, and having extra time to gameplan for Bama.

MuskogeeHogFan

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Well as far as stopping the running game, what's to keep Troy from stacking 9 or 10 in the box if Monk is out like we all expect him to be?  No dissrespect to London and the rest, but if I were Troy, I'd focus on Dmac and Felix and dare the Hogs to beat me downfield.

  And in talking to some Troy alumni that know, believe me it's what they'll do.

I don't care if they stack 88 in the box, they will not STOP our running game.  LSU put 8, 9, 10 in the box last year and look what happened.  And they are a MUCH MORE TALENTED defense than Troy.  I'm not worried about our offense getting their yards.  I think we'll even pass for a good amount of yards.  I'm worried about our defense.  Not necessarily in this game, but for the SEC games this year.  Hopefully, Herring will have our secondary in a good place come our game against Alabama.

I'm expecting heavy penetration from our DL against Troy.  Although their QB is good, I don't think he'll have sufficient time to find a receiver downfield.  If he does have time, there's no doubt in my mind they'll score some points through the air.  All in all, Troy will probably score a few points, but we'll score many more.

I don't disagree, but let's keep in mind that two of our four lowest rushing totals for the year last year were not against defensive stalwarts like USC or LSU, but against Ole Miss and Miss State(141 and 128 respectively). So, can our rushing game be limited? Obviously it can, and need I remind us all, that was with a O-Line that was senior and experienced. That is not the case this year. Don't misunderstand, I am not saying that Troy is going to "way-lay" us. All I am saying is that having a healthy respect for ones opponent is a good thing. If our team comes out echoing the sentiments and overwhelming self confidence of many on this board, that all we essentially need to do is show up and roll our helmets out on the field for Troy to roll over, then we may find ourselves in for a more difficult day than we anticipated. You never, ever take an opponent, regardless of who they are or who you perceive them to be, for granted. That is the kind of thing that leads to unanticipated upsets.

I agree that our team cannot be overly confident and I don't think they will be.  It is the first game of the season, why would they overlook Troy?  There's no reason to, especially with a bye week following this game.  Our players will not overlook them. 

The only reasons I can see are the same as many of the sentiments I have seen expressed on here such as "no way they can stop our running game" or "we will win going away" or "expect the Hogs to beat them by 40" or similar statements. If they view it as many do on here as not much more than a scrimmage, we could find ourselves in trouble. Not that we will lose, but a closer game than we might care for. And having an open date after your first game, is not a big advantage. We needed that open date later in the season when we are banged up and in the middle of SEC play. It is about the worst time to have an open date. There is no advantage gained by having it after Troy and it has nothing to do with the attitudes of the players coming into the Troy game. It is of "null" effect and will not make them play better or worse.

We're JUST FANS.  We don't play on the field.  The players on the team will not overlook ANY opponent in the first game of the season.  AND ESPECIALLY not when we have a bye week following that game.

That is pretty repetitive, what do you base that on? A hunch? A gut feeling? And what does the bye week have to do with it? It is the absolute worst time for a bye week and if you don't believe me, go ask some coaches. Know any?

Yeah, I do actually.  And they worry more about overlooking an opponent in a "sandwich game" or a "look-ahead game" more than they do overlooking an opponent in the first game of the season.  In this case, there is nothing to look-ahead to (there is an off week the following Saturday) and there is no "sandwich" (it is the first game of the season).

But as everyone says....."we are going to run all over them". Having coached some myself, if I thought my team went into game that overly confident, regardless of who the team may be, I would be concerned. Especially if it were a team that had a bunch of kids that were an inch or two too short to play in the SEC but had talent and just loved to go and stick it to bigger teams. Troy will be coming in confident they can play with us. Hopefully, our team will come in ready to step on their throats and go for jugular and dominate from play one, but if that is not the case, all your speculation about having an open date the next week, is of no significance.
Go Hogs Go!

Hogginitall

Quote from: Razorback Jedi on August 23, 2007, 11:07:51 am
I love how fans "aren't looking past <insert opponent here>"

That's what I'm trying to say.  I can overlook Troy all I want, along with every other Hog fan.  It will not effect the play on the field.  The only thing that matters is that the players on Arkansas' football team don't overlook Troy.  And they won't, because it's the first game of the season.

Hogginitall

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Quote from: Mark Lericos on August 23, 2007, 08:52:55 am

Well as far as stopping the running game, what's to keep Troy from stacking 9 or 10 in the box if Monk is out like we all expect him to be?  No dissrespect to London and the rest, but if I were Troy, I'd focus on Dmac and Felix and dare the Hogs to beat me downfield.

  And in talking to some Troy alumni that know, believe me it's what they'll do.

I don't care if they stack 88 in the box, they will not STOP our running game.  LSU put 8, 9, 10 in the box last year and look what happened.  And they are a MUCH MORE TALENTED defense than Troy.  I'm not worried about our offense getting their yards.  I think we'll even pass for a good amount of yards.  I'm worried about our defense.  Not necessarily in this game, but for the SEC games this year.  Hopefully, Herring will have our secondary in a good place come our game against Alabama.

I'm expecting heavy penetration from our DL against Troy.  Although their QB is good, I don't think he'll have sufficient time to find a receiver downfield.  If he does have time, there's no doubt in my mind they'll score some points through the air.  All in all, Troy will probably score a few points, but we'll score many more.

I don't disagree, but let's keep in mind that two of our four lowest rushing totals for the year last year were not against defensive stalwarts like USC or LSU, but against Ole Miss and Miss State(141 and 128 respectively). So, can our rushing game be limited? Obviously it can, and need I remind us all, that was with a O-Line that was senior and experienced. That is not the case this year. Don't misunderstand, I am not saying that Troy is going to "way-lay" us. All I am saying is that having a healthy respect for ones opponent is a good thing. If our team comes out echoing the sentiments and overwhelming self confidence of many on this board, that all we essentially need to do is show up and roll our helmets out on the field for Troy to roll over, then we may find ourselves in for a more difficult day than we anticipated. You never, ever take an opponent, regardless of who they are or who you perceive them to be, for granted. That is the kind of thing that leads to unanticipated upsets.

I agree that our team cannot be overly confident and I don't think they will be.  It is the first game of the season, why would they overlook Troy?  There's no reason to, especially with a bye week following this game.  Our players will not overlook them. 

The only reasons I can see are the same as many of the sentiments I have seen expressed on here such as "no way they can stop our running game" or "we will win going away" or "expect the Hogs to beat them by 40" or similar statements. If they view it as many do on here as not much more than a scrimmage, we could find ourselves in trouble. Not that we will lose, but a closer game than we might care for. And having an open date after your first game, is not a big advantage. We needed that open date later in the season when we are banged up and in the middle of SEC play. It is about the worst time to have an open date. There is no advantage gained by having it after Troy and it has nothing to do with the attitudes of the players coming into the Troy game. It is of "null" effect and will not make them play better or worse.

We're JUST FANS.  We don't play on the field.  The players on the team will not overlook ANY opponent in the first game of the season.  AND ESPECIALLY not when we have a bye week following that game.

That is pretty repetitive, what do you base that on? A hunch? A gut feeling? And what does the bye week have to do with it? It is the absolute worst time for a bye week and if you don't believe me, go ask some coaches. Know any?

Yeah, I do actually.  And they worry more about overlooking an opponent in a "sandwich game" or a "look-ahead game" more than they do overlooking an opponent in the first game of the season.  In this case, there is nothing to look-ahead to (there is an off week the following Saturday) and there is no "sandwich" (it is the first game of the season).

But as everyone says....."we are going to run all over them". Having coached some myself, if I thought my team went into game that overly confident, regardless of who the team may be, I would be concerned. Especially if it were a team that had a bunch of kids that were an inch or two too short to play in the SEC but had talent and just loved to go and stick it to bigger teams. Troy will be coming in confident they can play with us. Hopefully, our team will come in ready to step on their throats and go for jugular and dominate from play one, but if that is not the case, all your speculation about having an open date the next week, is of no significance.

But, why should anyone think that the players are overly confident?  I haven't once seen a clip of an Arkansas player saying that Troy was going to be easy or that they think Troy won't be able to stop us on offense, etc.  You're trying to base it on what you've heard from fans on this message board.  That just doesn't work.  Comments on this board are of no significance when it comes to the playing of a football game.  There is not, necessarily, a correlation between fans' thoughts and opinions and the Razorbacks players' thoughts and opinions.

silvertip

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Well, you know, they may be, but then again, maybe they won't be. We all know who WE probably have starting but before I lay out the score, here's who THEY have starting.

OFFENSE
Offensive Line- Avg Ht: 6-4  Avg Wt: 311  4 Juniors, 1 Sophomore

QB-Hougabook- 6-2, 220  2,425 yards passing last year with a 56.9 completion percentage. Experienced, a Senior, a JC transfer who started for them last year.

RB-Cattouse- 5-10, 207  810 rushing yards last year with an avg per carry of 4.8 yds. 16 receptions for 98 yards last year.

WR- Avg Ht: About 6-0 Avg Wt: 182  2 Sophomores, 1 Junior

Averaged 320 yards per game total offense last year. T/O ratio: -.40 per game
Avg Scoring Per Game-21.25

DEFENSE
D-Line- Avg Ht: 6-4  Avg Wt: 261  3 Seniors, 1 Sophomore

LB's- Avg Ht: 6-0  Avg Wt: 225   2 Seniors, 1 Sophomore

DB's- Avg Ht: 6-0  Avg Wt: 199  2 Seniors at CB and 2 Juniors at SS and FS.

Rushing Yards Allowed-129.5 yds per game
Passing Yards Allowed-214.8 yds per game

Avg Scoring Allowed Per Game-22.67

Arkansas has a tough time getting going but wears them down late in the second half, pulling away for a 34-20 win.

And your opinions are????????????

Just read Phil Steele's pages on Troy.  For those of you that dont know, Steele is money on just about everything.

Lets just say I'm not looking past this game for ONE SECOND.

I never overlook a game coached by HDN.  I remember going to the game where we had to pick off a Louisiana-Lafayette pass near the endzone in order to secure a win.

And the game after that, A MisstakeU team that hadn't won an SEC game all year, dropped a sure TD pass that would have sent the game to OT. That was the '02 season, when our open date was after the 2nd week; and by the time those 8th & 9th since-the-break games rolled around, Nutt's & Markuson's special smash-mouth style had the Hogs flat worn out.

But that's another thread. The point being, with Nutt at the helm, Troy has a chance.

Mark Lericos

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Quote from: Hollywood_HOGan45 on August 23, 2007, 10:15:43 am
troy beat Mizzou and took NU to the limit a couple years ago.

it will be close at the half but i think we pull away by 17-24 points.

Yeah, Nebraska only scored SIX (6) rushing touchdowns on Troy last year.

I think we'll be ok...

  I'm looking forward to this game. I really am. Arkansas will probably win, and more than likely pull away in the 4th. But until then, there's a gigantic amount of Hog fans that will step back and realize all those posts about destroying an inferior opponent will have something to think about. If Arkansas were USC or Florida, then I could understand the confidence... but goodness the passing game was next to worst in the country last year! What if the ground game struggles? What if the O-line struggles in it's first real action together?

   I'll bet dollars to donuts Troy walks out of that stadium with a hell of a lot more respect than Hog fans gave them coming in. It's my hope at least.
   
  And as for Nebraska and 6 rushing TD's... it's been well established that Troy was gassed by that point, battling road game after road game against power conference teams. Find me another school willing to schedule Arkansas, Florida, Georgia and Oklahoma State, all on the road. ANd not just for a paycheck... but with a chance to go in and win (ahem.. UT-Chattanooga).

8)

EastexHawg

Let the lowering of expectations and pre-emptive excuse making begin...

Hogginitall

Quote from: Mark Lericos on August 23, 2007, 11:19:29 am
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Quote from: Hollywood_HOGan45 on August 23, 2007, 10:15:43 am
troy beat Mizzou and took NU to the limit a couple years ago.

it will be close at the half but i think we pull away by 17-24 points.

Yeah, Nebraska only scored SIX (6) rushing touchdowns on Troy last year.

I think we'll be ok...

  I'm looking forward to this game. I really am. Arkansas will probably win, and more than likely pull away in the 4th. But until then, there's a gigantic amount of Hog fans that will step back and realize all those posts about destroying an inferior opponent will have something to think about. If Arkansas were USC or Florida, then I could understand the confidence... but goodness the passing game was next to worst in the country last year! What if the ground game struggles? What if the O-line struggles in it's first real action together?

   I'll bet dollars to donuts Troy walks out of that stadium with a hell of a lot more respect than Hog fans gave them coming in. It's my hope at least.
   
  And as for Nebraska and 6 rushing TD's... it's been well established that Troy was gassed by that point, battling road game after road game against power conference teams. Find me another school willing to schedule Arkansas, Florida, Georgia and Oklahoma State, all on the road. ANd not just for a paycheck... but with a chance to go in and win (ahem.. UT-Chattanooga).

8)

Road game after road game?  They had played Florida St and Georgia Tech the previous weeks.  It's not like they played 5 or 6 straight road games or anything.  They're going to be good again this year like they were last year, but I think we handle them.

Mark Lericos

Quote from: Hogginitall on August 23, 2007, 11:22:39 am
Quote from: Mark Lericos on August 23, 2007, 11:19:29 am
Quote from: Landonhog on August 23, 2007, 11:03:16 am
Quote from: Hollywood_HOGan45 on August 23, 2007, 10:15:43 am
troy beat Mizzou and took NU to the limit a couple years ago.

it will be close at the half but i think we pull away by 17-24 points.

Yeah, Nebraska only scored SIX (6) rushing touchdowns on Troy last year.

I think we'll be ok...

  I'm looking forward to this game. I really am. Arkansas will probably win, and more than likely pull away in the 4th. But until then, there's a gigantic amount of Hog fans that will step back and realize all those posts about destroying an inferior opponent will have something to think about. If Arkansas were USC or Florida, then I could understand the confidence... but goodness the passing game was next to worst in the country last year! What if the ground game struggles? What if the O-line struggles in it's first real action together?

   I'll bet dollars to donuts Troy walks out of that stadium with a hell of a lot more respect than Hog fans gave them coming in. It's my hope at least.
   
  And as for Nebraska and 6 rushing TD's... it's been well established that Troy was gassed by that point, battling road game after road game against power conference teams. Find me another school willing to schedule Arkansas, Florida, Georgia and Oklahoma State, all on the road. ANd not just for a paycheck... but with a chance to go in and win (ahem.. UT-Chattanooga).

8)

Road game after road game?  They had played Florida St and Georgia Tech the previous weeks.  It's not like they played 5 or 6 straight road games or anything.  They're going to be good again this year like they were last year, but I think we handle them.

  Arkansas doesn't even play 3 road games in a row. Shoot... they have 4 road games ALL YEAR. Troy is a smaller school and plays a tougher road against schools with more money, bigger rosters, and a bigger recruiting base. More often than not, they hold their own.

MuskogeeHogFan

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Quote from: Mark Lericos on August 23, 2007, 08:52:55 am

Well as far as stopping the running game, what's to keep Troy from stacking 9 or 10 in the box if Monk is out like we all expect him to be?  No dissrespect to London and the rest, but if I were Troy, I'd focus on Dmac and Felix and dare the Hogs to beat me downfield.

  And in talking to some Troy alumni that know, believe me it's what they'll do.

I don't care if they stack 88 in the box, they will not STOP our running game.  LSU put 8, 9, 10 in the box last year and look what happened.  And they are a MUCH MORE TALENTED defense than Troy.  I'm not worried about our offense getting their yards.  I think we'll even pass for a good amount of yards.  I'm worried about our defense.  Not necessarily in this game, but for the SEC games this year.  Hopefully, Herring will have our secondary in a good place come our game against Alabama.

I'm expecting heavy penetration from our DL against Troy.  Although their QB is good, I don't think he'll have sufficient time to find a receiver downfield.  If he does have time, there's no doubt in my mind they'll score some points through the air.  All in all, Troy will probably score a few points, but we'll score many more.

I don't disagree, but let's keep in mind that two of our four lowest rushing totals for the year last year were not against defensive stalwarts like USC or LSU, but against Ole Miss and Miss State(141 and 128 respectively). So, can our rushing game be limited? Obviously it can, and need I remind us all, that was with a O-Line that was senior and experienced. That is not the case this year. Don't misunderstand, I am not saying that Troy is going to "way-lay" us. All I am saying is that having a healthy respect for ones opponent is a good thing. If our team comes out echoing the sentiments and overwhelming self confidence of many on this board, that all we essentially need to do is show up and roll our helmets out on the field for Troy to roll over, then we may find ourselves in for a more difficult day than we anticipated. You never, ever take an opponent, regardless of who they are or who you perceive them to be, for granted. That is the kind of thing that leads to unanticipated upsets.

I agree that our team cannot be overly confident and I don't think they will be.  It is the first game of the season, why would they overlook Troy?  There's no reason to, especially with a bye week following this game.  Our players will not overlook them. 

The only reasons I can see are the same as many of the sentiments I have seen expressed on here such as "no way they can stop our running game" or "we will win going away" or "expect the Hogs to beat them by 40" or similar statements. If they view it as many do on here as not much more than a scrimmage, we could find ourselves in trouble. Not that we will lose, but a closer game than we might care for. And having an open date after your first game, is not a big advantage. We needed that open date later in the season when we are banged up and in the middle of SEC play. It is about the worst time to have an open date. There is no advantage gained by having it after Troy and it has nothing to do with the attitudes of the players coming into the Troy game. It is of "null" effect and will not make them play better or worse.

We're JUST FANS.  We don't play on the field.  The players on the team will not overlook ANY opponent in the first game of the season.  AND ESPECIALLY not when we have a bye week following that game.

That is pretty repetitive, what do you base that on? A hunch? A gut feeling? And what does the bye week have to do with it? It is the absolute worst time for a bye week and if you don't believe me, go ask some coaches. Know any?

Yeah, I do actually.  And they worry more about overlooking an opponent in a "sandwich game" or a "look-ahead game" more than they do overlooking an opponent in the first game of the season.  In this case, there is nothing to look-ahead to (there is an off week the following Saturday) and there is no "sandwich" (it is the first game of the season).

But as everyone says....."we are going to run all over them". Having coached some myself, if I thought my team went into game that overly confident, regardless of who the team may be, I would be concerned. Especially if it were a team that had a bunch of kids that were an inch or two too short to play in the SEC but had talent and just loved to go and stick it to bigger teams. Troy will be coming in confident they can play with us. Hopefully, our team will come in ready to step on their throats and go for jugular and dominate from play one, but if that is not the case, all your speculation about having an open date the next week, is of no significance.

But, why should anyone think that the players are overly confident?  I haven't once seen a clip of an Arkansas player saying that Troy was going to be easy or that they think Troy won't be able to stop us on offense, etc.  You're trying to base it on what you've heard from fans on this message board.  That just doesn't work.  Comments on this board are of no significance when it comes to the playing of a football game.  There is not, necessarily, a correlation between fans' thoughts and opinions and the Razorbacks players' thoughts and opinions.

I agree and as I have said before "IF our players feel the same way". I hope they don't. They shouldn't. Much of that attitude comes from the top down so if Nutt appears to not be concerned, I can assure you that will filter down to the players. Hopefully, that will not be the case. But if they go into the game believing as YOU said earlier, "they cannot stop our running game", they might be in for a surprise. THAT is all I am saying. Better to view it as any other game, than one that os nothing more than a scrimmage for the first half.
Go Hogs Go!

Hogginitall

Quote from: Mark Lericos on August 23, 2007, 11:24:43 am
Quote from: Hogginitall on August 23, 2007, 11:22:39 am
Quote from: Mark Lericos on August 23, 2007, 11:19:29 am
Quote from: Landonhog on August 23, 2007, 11:03:16 am
Quote from: Hollywood_HOGan45 on August 23, 2007, 10:15:43 am
troy beat Mizzou and took NU to the limit a couple years ago.

it will be close at the half but i think we pull away by 17-24 points.

Yeah, Nebraska only scored SIX (6) rushing touchdowns on Troy last year.

I think we'll be ok...

  I'm looking forward to this game. I really am. Arkansas will probably win, and more than likely pull away in the 4th. But until then, there's a gigantic amount of Hog fans that will step back and realize all those posts about destroying an inferior opponent will have something to think about. If Arkansas were USC or Florida, then I could understand the confidence... but goodness the passing game was next to worst in the country last year! What if the ground game struggles? What if the O-line struggles in it's first real action together?

   I'll bet dollars to donuts Troy walks out of that stadium with a hell of a lot more respect than Hog fans gave them coming in. It's my hope at least.
   
  And as for Nebraska and 6 rushing TD's... it's been well established that Troy was gassed by that point, battling road game after road game against power conference teams. Find me another school willing to schedule Arkansas, Florida, Georgia and Oklahoma State, all on the road. ANd not just for a paycheck... but with a chance to go in and win (ahem.. UT-Chattanooga).

8)

Road game after road game?  They had played Florida St and Georgia Tech the previous weeks.  It's not like they played 5 or 6 straight road games or anything.  They're going to be good again this year like they were last year, but I think we handle them.

  Arkansas doesn't even play 3 road games in a row. Shoot... they have 4 road games ALL YEAR. Troy is a smaller school and plays a tougher road against schools with more money, bigger rosters, and a bigger recruiting base. More often than not, they hold their own.

I agree that they hold their own and that's good.  I was just responding to your assertion that Troy allowed 6 rushing TD's to Nebraska because they were gassed at that point due to playing "road game after road game against power conference teams".  You made it sound like they were at the tail end of an 8 game road trip or something.  When in reality, they played back-to-back road games against 2 decent teams before going to Nebraska and getting drilled.

HoopS

Quote from: Hogginitall on August 23, 2007, 11:11:07 am
Quote from: Razorback Jedi on August 23, 2007, 11:07:51 am
I love how fans "aren't looking past <insert opponent here>"

That's what I'm trying to say.  I can overlook Troy all I want, along with every other Hog fan.  It will not effect the play on the field.  The only thing that matters is that the players on Arkansas' football team don't overlook Troy.  And they won't, because it's the first game of the season.

and deep inside, I believe we will beat them solidly.   The only purpose of me posting what I have been was to educate those who are only looking at one game and making assumptions.   And I have seen The Citadel game, the UNLV nightmare, the Vandy series..... and because I saw those games, I realize that there is at least the possibility that we don't just dominate them.    I also live around a bunch of horn fans and can't stand the arrogance I am surrounded by and the totally ignoring of facts that may support an opinion that differs from theirs.

Mark Lericos

Quote from: Hogginitall on August 23, 2007, 11:28:51 am
Quote from: Mark Lericos on August 23, 2007, 11:24:43 am
Quote from: Hogginitall on August 23, 2007, 11:22:39 am
Quote from: Mark Lericos on August 23, 2007, 11:19:29 am
Quote from: Landonhog on August 23, 2007, 11:03:16 am
Quote from: Hollywood_HOGan45 on August 23, 2007, 10:15:43 am
troy beat Mizzou and took NU to the limit a couple years ago.

it will be close at the half but i think we pull away by 17-24 points.

Yeah, Nebraska only scored SIX (6) rushing touchdowns on Troy last year.

I think we'll be ok...

  I'm looking forward to this game. I really am. Arkansas will probably win, and more than likely pull away in the 4th. But until then, there's a gigantic amount of Hog fans that will step back and realize all those posts about destroying an inferior opponent will have something to think about. If Arkansas were USC or Florida, then I could understand the confidence... but goodness the passing game was next to worst in the country last year! What if the ground game struggles? What if the O-line struggles in it's first real action together?

   I'll bet dollars to donuts Troy walks out of that stadium with a hell of a lot more respect than Hog fans gave them coming in. It's my hope at least.
   
  And as for Nebraska and 6 rushing TD's... it's been well established that Troy was gassed by that point, battling road game after road game against power conference teams. Find me another school willing to schedule Arkansas, Florida, Georgia and Oklahoma State, all on the road. ANd not just for a paycheck... but with a chance to go in and win (ahem.. UT-Chattanooga).

8)

Road game after road game?  They had played Florida St and Georgia Tech the previous weeks.  It's not like they played 5 or 6 straight road games or anything.  They're going to be good again this year like they were last year, but I think we handle them.

  Arkansas doesn't even play 3 road games in a row. Shoot... they have 4 road games ALL YEAR. Troy is a smaller school and plays a tougher road against schools with more money, bigger rosters, and a bigger recruiting base. More often than not, they hold their own.

I agree that they hold their own and that's good.  I was just responding to your assertion that Troy allowed 6 rushing TD's to Nebraska because they were gassed at that point due to playing "road game after road game against power conference teams".  You made it sound like they were at the tail end of an 8 game road trip or something.  When in reality, they played back-to-back road games against 2 decent teams before going to Nebraska and getting drilled.

i got ya. But road games against FSU and GA Tech is harder for a Troy than it is, say, Arkansas. And that only strengthens the Troy will be tough argument, since FSU was first, and they played them the hardest. Opening the season against Troy is a tricky proposition. Hogs should still win, but you get my drift.  ;D

TroyTrojan

Quote from: Hogginitall on August 23, 2007, 11:28:51 am
Quote from: Mark Lericos on August 23, 2007, 11:24:43 am
Quote from: Hogginitall on August 23, 2007, 11:22:39 am
Quote from: Mark Lericos on August 23, 2007, 11:19:29 am
Quote from: Landonhog on August 23, 2007, 11:03:16 am
Quote from: Hollywood_HOGan45 on August 23, 2007, 10:15:43 am
troy beat Mizzou and took NU to the limit a couple years ago.

it will be close at the half but i think we pull away by 17-24 points.

Yeah, Nebraska only scored SIX (6) rushing touchdowns on Troy last year.

I think we'll be ok...

  I'm looking forward to this game. I really am. Arkansas will probably win, and more than likely pull away in the 4th. But until then, there's a gigantic amount of Hog fans that will step back and realize all those posts about destroying an inferior opponent will have something to think about. If Arkansas were USC or Florida, then I could understand the confidence... but goodness the passing game was next to worst in the country last year! What if the ground game struggles? What if the O-line struggles in it's first real action together?

   I'll bet dollars to donuts Troy walks out of that stadium with a hell of a lot more respect than Hog fans gave them coming in. It's my hope at least.
   
  And as for Nebraska and 6 rushing TD's... it's been well established that Troy was gassed by that point, battling road game after road game against power conference teams. Find me another school willing to schedule Arkansas, Florida, Georgia and Oklahoma State, all on the road. ANd not just for a paycheck... but with a chance to go in and win (ahem.. UT-Chattanooga).

8)

Road game after road game?  They had played Florida St and Georgia Tech the previous weeks.  It's not like they played 5 or 6 straight road games or anything.  They're going to be good again this year like they were last year, but I think we handle them.

  Arkansas doesn't even play 3 road games in a row. Shoot... they have 4 road games ALL YEAR. Troy is a smaller school and plays a tougher road against schools with more money, bigger rosters, and a bigger recruiting base. More often than not, they hold their own.

I agree that they hold their own and that's good.  I was just responding to your assertion that Troy allowed 6 rushing TD's to Nebraska because they were gassed at that point due to playing "road game after road game against power conference teams".  You made it sound like they were at the tail end of an 8 game road trip or something.  When in reality, they played back-to-back road games against 2 decent teams before going to Nebraska and getting drilled.

If you had seen the Depth/Injury Chart going into the Nebraska game you would understand.

Hogginitall

And I think they will view it as the first game and play accordingly.  They'll try to go 1-0.  They won't be looking forward to anyone.  I did say that they can't stop our running game and I'll stand by that statement.  Even if they "slow us down", I think we'll have over 250 yards rushing.  I also believe we will have over 200 yards passing.  But, we'll just have to wait and see.  I'm tickled pink to find out whether or not I'm right.  Isn't it only 9 days away??

HoopS


AFWarrior83

Hogville member since 2005.

Landonhog

Quote from: Mark Lericos on August 23, 2007, 11:19:29 am
Quote from: Landonhog on August 23, 2007, 11:03:16 am
Quote from: Hollywood_HOGan45 on August 23, 2007, 10:15:43 am
troy beat Mizzou and took NU to the limit a couple years ago.

it will be close at the half but i think we pull away by 17-24 points.

Yeah, Nebraska only scored SIX (6) rushing touchdowns on Troy last year.

I think we'll be ok...

  I'm looking forward to this game. I really am. Arkansas will probably win, and more than likely pull away in the 4th. But until then, there's a gigantic amount of Hog fans that will step back and realize all those posts about destroying an inferior opponent will have something to think about. If Arkansas were USC or Florida, then I could understand the confidence... but goodness the passing game was next to worst in the country last year! What if the ground game struggles? What if the O-line struggles in it's first real action together?

   I'll bet dollars to donuts Troy walks out of that stadium with a hell of a lot more respect than Hog fans gave them coming in. It's my hope at least.
   
  And as for Nebraska and 6 rushing TD's... it's been well established that Troy was gassed by that point, battling road game after road game against power conference teams. Find me another school willing to schedule Arkansas, Florida, Georgia and Oklahoma State, all on the road. ANd not just for a paycheck... but with a chance to go in and win (ahem.. UT-Chattanooga).

8)


I smell a Troy Alum...   ;)