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Title: Jeff Long
Post by: razorbackfaninar on November 09, 2017, 04:47:31 pm
I may get run off of this board for this, but I have asked in a few different threads and haven't gotten a good answer.  I am still not clear on why we are so hot to fire Jeff Long.  What is it exactly that he is to have done that we want him fired for?  From what I can tell other than the football hire which hasn't worked out, he has done a pretty decent job.  Is there some legitimate reason for wanting him gone this bad that I am missing? I'm not trolling, I just legitimately don't get the seething hatred for Jeff Long. I was talking to some folks at work today and they were saying if it was one or the other they'd rather fire Jeff Long and keep Bielema? I asked why and the only answer I got was that he was arrogant and (actual quote) " had ruined the university and run it directly into the ground"

To save some time I already know he fired Bobby Petrino.  I know about the Pepsi contract. I know how bad the football program is right now.  I know that we are in the middle of an expensive stadium upgrade. I know about the Jimmy Dykes hire. I know Jeff Long is not from Arkansas, or even the south (gasp)  Are these the reasons that people are filled with righteous hate for Long or is there something else that I am unaware of or have misunderstood, because I am looking at those things and I don't get the "Jeff long has to go now" stance.  Also to save time, I don't work for Jeff Long, I don't work for the University, i'm just a regular fan who feel like I have somehow gone nuts because everyone is so sure of something and I don't get it at all.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: phadedhawg on November 09, 2017, 04:56:47 pm
Anger, there's too much anger that we've lost football games.  Firing the coach won't release enough anger so the unwashed masses want to fire the athletic director too. 

Objectively he's done a fair job and in a sane world his job would only be threatened if he refused to fire Bielema after this season but we don't live in that world. 

There's also a neo-confederate bias that doesn't want an AD who was born in a non slave state
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: thebignasty on November 09, 2017, 04:59:59 pm
Anger, there's too much anger that we've lost football games.  Firing the coach won't release enough anger so the unwashed masses want to fire the athletic director too. 

Objectively he's done a fair job and in a sane world his job would only be threatened if he refused to fire Bielema after this season but we don't live in that world. 

There's also a neo-confederate bias that doesn't want an AD who was born in a non slave state

This, though Bo has made the point that Long engendered some of the anger when he dismantled the GOBN, and its simmered looking for its opportunity for 10 years now.  That's probably true.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: younghog on November 09, 2017, 05:00:52 pm
Anger, there's too much anger that we've lost football games.  Firing the coach won't release enough anger so the unwashed masses want to fire the athletic director too. 

Objectively he's done a fair job and in a sane world his job would only be threatened if he refused to fire Bielema after this season but we don't live in that world. 

There's also a neo-confederate bias that doesn't want an AD who was born in a non slave state

non slave state is a dumb ass statement.. COME ON MAN..

other people visit this site.. STAY CLASSY
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: thebignasty on November 09, 2017, 05:03:07 pm
non slave state is a dumb ass statement.. COME ON MAN..

other people visit this site.. STAY CLASSY

lol

http://www.hogville.net/yabbse/index.php?action=profile;u=11102
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Piggfoot on November 09, 2017, 05:03:13 pm
Hogville was livid over Bielemaís buy out of 15 million. 15 million. Long was a n idiot for writing such a idiotic contract. Hogville screamed fire him heís an idiot .... ........
then it came about that it was only 5 million..... but the ball was already rolling on Hogville. Hogville wanted blood.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Razorbackers on November 09, 2017, 05:03:25 pm
Anger, there's too much anger that we've lost football games.  Firing the coach won't release enough anger so the unwashed masses want to fire the athletic director too. 

Objectively he's done a fair job and in a sane world his job would only be threatened if he refused to fire Bielema after this season but we don't live in that world. 

There's also a neo-confederate bias that doesn't want an AD who was born in a non slave state

/thread. Well said.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: razorbackfaninar on November 09, 2017, 05:03:38 pm
This, though Bo has made the point that Long engendered some of the anger when he dismantled the GOBN, and its simmered looking for its opportunity for 10 years now.  That's probably true.

That's something else that I have never understood as a fan.  Why we poor peon fans are so quick to want our rich overlords to use their money to influence the team we all love in one way or the other.  If you want to give them that power when they are making a decision you agree with you better be ready to eat it when they use that power to make some other decision that you don't like, because once you give them that power its really hard to get it back.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: phadedhawg on November 09, 2017, 05:04:28 pm
This, though Bo has made the point that Long engendered some of the anger when he dismantled the GOBN, and its simmered looking for its opportunity for 10 years now.  That's probably true.

GOBN?
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: thebignasty on November 09, 2017, 05:04:52 pm
That's something else that I have never understood as a fan.  Why we poor peon fans are so quick to want our rich overlords to use their money to influence the team we all love in one way or the other.  If you want to give them that power when they are making a decision you agree with you better be ready to eat it when they use that power to make some other decision that you don't like, because once you give them that power its really hard to get it back.

I agree with you.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: razorbackfaninar on November 09, 2017, 05:05:00 pm
Anger, there's too much anger that we've lost football games.  Firing the coach won't release enough anger so the unwashed masses want to fire the athletic director too. 

Objectively he's done a fair job and in a sane world his job would only be threatened if he refused to fire Bielema after this season but we don't live in that world. 

There's also a neo-confederate bias that doesn't want an AD who was born in a non slave state

That's probably the best answer there is to give. 
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: thebignasty on November 09, 2017, 05:05:41 pm
GOBN?


good ole boy network
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: phadedhawg on November 09, 2017, 05:07:21 pm

good ole boy network

ahh...yeah honestly that's my top reason for wanting to retain Jeff Long.  I don't want the same group of people who ran Nolan Richardson off to reassert power on the Hill.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: bennyl08 on November 09, 2017, 05:08:27 pm
GOBN?

Good Ole Boy Network
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Rustyhog on November 09, 2017, 05:09:45 pm
There's also a neo-confederate bias that doesn't want an AD who was born in a non slave state
This is the most idiotic comment I have ever read. You should be ashamed.

YES, Long is from the North and doesn't fit in. And that does matter some. But that comment is low. You just embarrassed yourself.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: ToddW on November 09, 2017, 05:10:40 pm
GOBN?

Good Old Boy Network

Back when Frank was AD there was a lot of influence by guys like Lindsey and some other guys that ruled football and basketball then.  Those guys are the reason we ended up with Nutters.  Besides smiley the last time i saw football really this terrible was Danny Ford's last year.  That was 20 years ago.  Back then everyone knew Ford was gone with a few games left i the season.  Very similar to what we have here.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: thebignasty on November 09, 2017, 05:11:58 pm
This is the most idiotic comment I have ever read. You should be ashamed.

YES, Long is from the North and doesn't fit in. And that does matter some. But that comment is low. You just embarrassed yourself.

lol, the rare lambaste yet agree take.


solid
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Rustyhog on November 09, 2017, 05:12:23 pm
ahh...yeah honestly that's my top reason for wanting to retain Jeff Long.  I don't want the same group of people who ran Nolan Richardson off to reassert power on the Hill.

Just so we are clear. Nolan called his boss a bigot and said the entire U of A was bigoted. If you go into your office tomorrow and tell your boss he/she is a bigot and racist and so is the entire company. Then you hold a press confrence telling the entire world that they are a bunch of racist BIGOTS and they can pay you off & you'll be gone.

SEE how long you keep your job.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: phadedhawg on November 09, 2017, 05:14:07 pm
This is the most idiotic comment I have ever read. You should be ashamed.

YES, Long is from the North and doesn't fit in. And that does matter some. But that comment is low. You just embarrassed yourself.

Really?  Stick around, this worst comment ever probably won't even be ranked by tomorrow hahahaha
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Ex-Trumpet on November 09, 2017, 05:15:01 pm
Just so we are clear. Nolan called his boss a bigot and said the entire U of A was bigoted. If you go into your office tomorrow and tell your boss he/she is a bigot and racist and so is the entire company. Then you hold a press confrence telling the entire world that they are a bunch of racist BIGOTS and they can pay you off & you'll be gone.

SEE how long you keep your job.

If they would pay me what they paid Nolan, I'd do it the first thing tomorrow morning.  I'm already drinking tonight!
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: phadedhawg on November 09, 2017, 05:16:50 pm
Just so we are clear. Nolan called his boss a bigot and said the entire U of A was bigoted. If you go into your office tomorrow and tell your boss he/she is a bigot and racist and so is the entire company. Then you hold a press confrence telling the entire world that they are a bunch of racist BIGOTS and they can pay you off & you'll be gone.

SEE how long you keep your job.

And so we are clear, that's a firing offense but wrecking your motorcycle and lying to boss in attempt to cover up fraternization isn't?
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: phadedhawg on November 09, 2017, 05:17:56 pm
This is the most idiotic comment I have ever read. You should be ashamed.

YES, Long is from the North and doesn't fit in. And that does matter some. But that comment is low. You just embarrassed yourself.

(http://izquotes.com/quotes-pictures/quote-the-lady-doth-protest-too-much-methinks-william-shakespeare-168117.jpg)
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Rustyhog on November 09, 2017, 05:22:46 pm
And so we are clear, that's a firing offense but wrecking your motorcycle and lying to boss in attempt to cover up fraternization isn't?

Nope, never said that. Others have. I have not.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: rzrbackramsfan on November 09, 2017, 05:23:58 pm
I agree.  Maybe there's some stuff idk, but in my opinion Bret is where we should be directing our anger towards, that is, unless Long retains him after the year.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Ex-Trumpet on November 09, 2017, 05:29:19 pm
Nope, never said that. Others have. I have not.

I keep trying to read your posts, but for some reason am distracted...
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: commonnonsense on November 09, 2017, 05:29:35 pm
I may get run off of this board for this, but I have asked in a few different threads and haven't gotten a good answer.  I am still not clear on why we are so hot to fire Jeff Long.  What is it exactly that he is to have done that we want him fired for?  From what I can tell other than the football hire which hasn't worked out, he has done a pretty decent job.  Is there some legitimate reason for wanting him gone this bad that I am missing? I'm not trolling, I just legitimately don't get the seething hatred for Jeff Long. I was talking to some folks at work today and they were saying if it was one or the other they'd rather fire Jeff Long and keep Bielema? I asked why and the only answer I got was that he was arrogant and (actual quote) " had ruined the university and run it directly into the ground"

To save some time I already know he fired Bobby Petrino.  I know about the Pepsi contract. I know how bad the football program is right now.  I know that we are in the middle of an expensive stadium upgrade. I know about the Jimmy Dykes hire. I know Jeff Long is not from Arkansas, or even the south (gasp)  Are these the reasons that people are filled with righteous hate for Long or is there something else that I am unaware of or have misunderstood, because I am looking at those things and I don't get the "Jeff long has to go now" stance.  Also to save time, I don't work for Jeff Long, I don't work for the University, i'm just a regular fan who feel like I have somehow gone nuts because everyone is so sure of something and I don't get it at all.

He has made three bad hires in the most important sport heís over.

Petrino won games but he was an ethical risk when he was hired and he wrecked the program along with his bike. It was an embarrassment for the University.

JL Smith is extremely obvious. Not sure who he could have got instead but no one could have been worse.

Bielema isnít embarrassing the University off the field but he is on the field.

Heís really 0-3 in hiring football coaches. Plus then firing Petrino, add on Mike Anderson being slow to turn around basketball, Dykes, and adding 3k seats for $160mm.

Heís brought in money but how much of that was SECN money? 

Plus he used firing Petrino to vault himself into the limelight, when firing Petrino angered 50% of the fan base.

Heís below average at best.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Jimbob111 on November 09, 2017, 05:29:46 pm
Anger, there's too much anger that we've lost football games.  Firing the coach won't release enough anger so the unwashed masses want to fire the athletic director too. 

Objectively he's done a fair job and in a sane world his job would only be threatened if he refused to fire Bielema after this season but we don't live in that world. 

There's also a neo-confederate bias that doesn't want an AD who was born in a non slave state

I hear this. A lot. From elitists who think they sit above the great unwashed masses.  It is about anger and it is about accountability.  Everyone is angry, both that Long has sat silent so long while the Razorbacks have endured the worst seasons in recent history and that no corrective action has been taken.

Everyone should be angry. This team has underachieved and yet the coach has been paid a premium salary given to accomplished--and successful--coaches. It is thrown around that 4 to 5 million a year is a common salary "at all P5 schools" and this is not the case. Maybe the top 10 P5 schools but not all of them by any stretch of the imagination.

So Jeff Long is under fire for allowing Bielema to continue to flounder, to have the worst-coached teams in Razorback history and to lose by the widest margins, with the longest conference losing record in school history, among other infractions. All the while, Bielema is collecting a salary paid to premium coaches while coaching a program that is not a top 10, top 15, top 25, top 50, top 75, or even top 100 team in the NCAA. The Razorbacks are one of the worst 25 teams in the entire NCAA, whether you rank it by FBS or division I or whatever.

Jeff Long should be fired for presiding over a football program that, 5 years into Bielema's regime, is the worst ranked team, worst coached team, worst playing team, and worst chance to improve team under Beliema's leadership. Jeff Long has tied his own career to his integrity hire and it has backfired on him.

Jeff Long is paid to run a business not be a friend. He had failed at running the most visible portion of that business. Lots of CEOs get fired for what it appears they have done rather than for what they have actually accomplished and he should be too. If you can't see that, you obviously don't read enough Wall Street Journal. It's as much about what he appeared to do, or not do, than what he did.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Ex-Trumpet on November 09, 2017, 05:33:17 pm
People are mad at the product on the field.  That's on Bielema.

But when JL fiddles while Rome burns...people shouldn't be surprised when the anger extends to him as well.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: HogPharmer on November 09, 2017, 05:36:38 pm
He has made three bad hires in the most important sport heís over.

Petrino won games but he was an ethical risk when he was hired and he wrecked the program along with his bike. It was an embarrassment for the University.

JL Smith is extremely obvious. Not sure who he could have got instead but no one could have been worse.

Bielema isnít embarrassing the University off the field but he is on the field.

Heís really 0-3 in hiring football coaches. Plus then firing Petrino, add on Mike Anderson being slow to turn around basketball, Dykes, and adding 3k seats for $160mm.

Heís brought in money but how much of that was SECN money? 

Plus he used firing Petrino to vault himself into the limelight, when firing Petrino angered 50% of the fan base.

Heís below average at best.

Hindsight is always 20/20 isn't it? He's made 2 good hires and John L wasn't what most would call a "hire". He was an interim. Bobby P was a fantastic coach who got great results. How was JL supposed to know he'd crash a motorcycle with a blonde on the back and then lie about it? CBB couldn't have been a better hire... on paper. The fact is, you don't know what's going to happen until it happens. I am no JL apologist, but all the desire to get him canned based on any facts you CURRENTLY have is idiotic IMO. I didn't want him to fire BP, but understood why he did. The only real issue that I see, based on what is currently out there, is the large buyout he gave BB after a 7-6 season his second year here. But that isn't grounds to fire him. Everybody just has their pitchforks out and are bloodthirsty right now.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Ex-Trumpet on November 09, 2017, 05:39:30 pm
Hindsight is always 20/20 isn't it? He's made 2 good hires and John L wasn't what most would call a "hire". He was an interim. Bobby P was a fantastic coach who got great results. How was JL supposed to know he'd crash a motorcycle with a blonde on the back and then lie about it? CBB couldn't have been a better hire... on paper. The fact is, you don't know what's going to happen until it happens. I am no JL apologist, but all the desire to get him canned based on any facts you CURRENTLY have is idiotic IMO. I didn't want him to fire BP, but understood why he did. The only real issue that I see, based on what is currently out there, is the large buyout he gave BB after a 7-6 season his second year here. But that isn't grounds to fire him. Everybody just has their pitchforks out and are bloodthirsty right now.

Don't go bringin that bulldarn sense-makin stuff in here.  We have a good ole fashion whipping post to strap JL to!!
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: thebignasty on November 09, 2017, 05:41:28 pm
Hindsight is always 20/20 isn't it? He's made 2 good hires and John L wasn't what most would call a "hire". He was an interim. Bobby P was a fantastic coach who got great results. How was JL supposed to know he'd crash a motorcycle with a blonde on the back and then lie about it? CBB couldn't have been a better hire... on paper. The fact is, you don't know what's going to happen until it happens. I am no JL apologist, but all the desire to get him canned based on any facts you CURRENTLY have is idiotic IMO. I didn't want him to fire BP, but understood why he did. The only real issue that I see, based on what is currently out there, is the large buyout he gave BB after a 7-6 season his second year here. But that isn't grounds to fire him. Everybody just has their pitchforks out and are bloodthirsty right now.

I think the biggest point in the fire Jeffie column is hiring a television personality to run the women's basketball program.  That was bush league.


Bielema hasn't worked out, but it was looking pretty good as recently as 2 games to go last year.  Got off the rails and clearly 6ft under the ditch now.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: ballz2thewall on November 09, 2017, 05:43:38 pm
he whimpers like a lil' biitch.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Darrell Royal's Floating Flaming Fulminating Spectral Head on November 09, 2017, 05:44:28 pm
This is the most idiotic comment I have ever read. You should be ashamed.

YES, Long is from the North and doesn't fit in. And that does matter some. But that comment is low. You just embarrassed yourself.

Youíll meet ol Delta soon enough and things will be clearer.

Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: HogPharmer on November 09, 2017, 05:44:52 pm
Don't go bringin that bulldarn sense-makin stuff in here.  We have a good ole fashion whipping post to strap JL to!!

Sometimes I feel, sometimes I feel,
Like I been tied to the whippin' post.
Tied to the whippin' post, tied to the whippin' post.
Good Lord, I feel like I'm dyin'.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: hotdog hog on November 09, 2017, 05:47:00 pm
People are mad at the product on the field.  That's on Bielema.

But when JL fiddles while Rome burns...people shouldn't be surprised when the anger extends to him as well.
Personally the ONLY beef I have with Jeff Long is.......He hasn't FIRED CBB Yet!!!
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Three and Snout on November 09, 2017, 05:49:36 pm
The Pepsi switch was a UA contract, not athletic department.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Athog on November 09, 2017, 05:49:48 pm
Hogville was livid over Bielemaís buy out of 15 million. 15 million. Long was a n idiot for writing such a idiotic contract. Hogville screamed fire him heís an idiot .... ........
then it came about that it was only 5 million..... but the ball was already rolling on Hogville. Hogville wanted blood.


I don't ever the people on Hogville viewed as the ones shaping an opinion. There are some on here, like any small message board, but there are many that troll the minions and they start barking. It is a way for many to be personal and negative. This is not the majority of the Razorback Nation.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: HogPharmer on November 09, 2017, 05:49:56 pm
Personally the ONLY beef I have with Jeff Long is.......He hasn't FIRED CBB Yet!!!

But then if he did that, he'd have to "hire" another interim just like John L Smith... Then that would add yet another "bad hire" to his list of bad hires, according to some geniuses on here. Thus, perpetuating his incompetent cycle with regards to hiring successful football coaches. He's in a bit of a catch 22 with that one...
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: PorkRinds on November 09, 2017, 05:54:38 pm
Anger, there's too much anger that we've lost football games.  Firing the coach won't release enough anger so the unwashed masses want to fire the athletic director too. 

Objectively he's done a fair job and in a sane world his job would only be threatened if he refused to fire Bielema after this season but we don't live in that world. 

There's also a neo-confederate bias that doesn't want an AD who was born in a non slave state

Unvarnished truth.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: porkrindjimmy on November 09, 2017, 05:54:44 pm
Here is what it boils down to.

According to a good faction of you, Bobby Petrino was a scumbag. Jeff hired said scumbag. Scumbag won games, wrecked hiimself and Jeff fired him....claiming superior morals and integrity.

Jeff then hires Smile. Smile has lots of financial trouble. Jeff works his contract where his money is safe from bankruptcy. Smile sets fire to a pretty good team.

Jeff then hires Bret. Enough has been said about this...but we are now in the worst 6 year stretch in football since the 40's. Football is your cash cow and his last 3 hires have been failures...

Put it this way...if you as a general manager of Lou's discount liquor and 50Ę trinkets store and your last 3 hires  we're a serial killer, according to some of y'all, an arsonist and a dunce...Lou isn't going to keep you around....

PRJ
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: commonnonsense on November 09, 2017, 05:57:55 pm
Hindsight is always 20/20 isn't it? He's made 2 good hires and John L wasn't what most would call a "hire". He was an interim. Bobby P was a fantastic coach who got great results. How was JL supposed to know he'd crash a motorcycle with a blonde on the back and then lie about it? CBB couldn't have been a better hire... on paper. The fact is, you don't know what's going to happen until it happens. I am no JL apologist, but all the desire to get him canned based on any facts you CURRENTLY have is idiotic IMO. I didn't want him to fire BP, but understood why he did. The only real issue that I see, based on what is currently out there, is the large buyout he gave BB after a 7-6 season his second year here. But that isn't grounds to fire him. Everybody just has their pitchforks out and are bloodthirsty right now.

The results are what they are, itís 3 bad hires. Doesnít matter what they looked like at the time they were hired. Petrino was a risk and proved it, Smith was a disaster, and BB has proved that average was his peak.

What has Long done to deserve to keep his job?
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: HogPharmer on November 09, 2017, 05:59:06 pm
Here is what it boils down to.

According to a good faction of you, Bobby Petrino was a scumbag. Jeff hired said scumbag. Scumbag won games, wrecked hiimself and Jeff fired him....claiming superior morals and integrity.

Jeff then hires Smile. Smile has lots of financial trouble. Jeff works his contract where his money is safe from bankruptcy. Smile sets fire to a pretty good team.

Jeff then hires Bret. Enough has been said about this...but we are now in the worst 6 year stretch in football since the 40's. Football is your cash cow and his last 3 hires have been failures...

Put it this way...if you as a general manager of Lou's discount liquor and 50Ę trinkets store and your last 3 hires  we're a serial killer, according to some of y'all, an arsonist and a dunce...Lou isn't going to keep you around....

PRJ

But they were football coaches?
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: hog911 on November 09, 2017, 06:03:14 pm
I may get run off of this board for this, but I have asked in a few different threads and haven't gotten a good answer.  I am still not clear on why we are so hot to fire Jeff Long.  What is it exactly that he is to have done that we want him fired for?  From what I can tell other than the football hire which hasn't worked out, he has done a pretty decent job.  Is there some legitimate reason for wanting him gone this bad that I am missing? I'm not trolling, I just legitimately don't get the seething hatred for Jeff Long. I was talking to some folks at work today and they were saying if it was one or the other they'd rather fire Jeff Long and keep Bielema? I asked why and the only answer I got was that he was arrogant and (actual quote) " had ruined the university and run it directly into the ground"

To save some time I already know he fired Bobby Petrino.  I know about the Pepsi contract. I know how bad the football program is right now.  I know that we are in the middle of an expensive stadium upgrade. I know about the Jimmy Dykes hire. I know Jeff Long is not from Arkansas, or even the south (gasp)  Are these the reasons that people are filled with righteous hate for Long or is there something else that I am unaware of or have misunderstood, because I am looking at those things and I don't get the "Jeff long has to go now" stance.  Also to save time, I don't work for Jeff Long, I don't work for the University, i'm just a regular fan who feel like I have somehow gone nuts because everyone is so sure of something and I don't get it at all.
An AD that claims ďwe are not a win at all cost programĒ should immediately be fired! Itís his job to care about winning!
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: AP85 on November 09, 2017, 06:04:34 pm
Just so we are clear. Nolan called his boss a bigot and said the entire U of A was bigoted. If you go into your office tomorrow and tell your boss he/she is a bigot and racist and so is the entire company. Then you hold a press confrence telling the entire world that they are a bunch of racist BIGOTS and they can pay you off & you'll be gone.

SEE how long you keep your job.

Depends.

If the one ranting to the boss is black...and the boss is white.

Or.

If the one is ranting to the boss is white. And the boss is black.


Similar circumstances. Way different outcomes.


Just my take of course haha
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Wants2Win on November 09, 2017, 06:05:36 pm
Accountability.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: rtr on November 09, 2017, 06:20:51 pm
Hogville was livid over Bielemaís buy out of 15 million. 15 million. Long was a n idiot for writing such a idiotic contract. Hogville screamed fire him heís an idiot .... ........
then it came about that it was only 5 million..... but the ball was already rolling on Hogville. Hogville wanted blood.
Long problems have nothing to do with Hogville, far from it.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: KennyForAD on November 09, 2017, 06:25:00 pm
How many times have I explained this?   Drive to Mexico and replenish my dwindling Absynthe stockpile and I'll go through every detail, once again.  Short of that, I realize that the war is won and I don't need to do it anymore.  Enough, and more importantly - the RIGHT, people are enlightened.  It boils down to this:

JEFF LONG IS A FRAUD.   Would you hire a 'professional administrator (con man)' to grow your crops, or would you hire a freaking farmer?   We hired a con man.  Our crops have failed.  Who would've guessed?   He's going to leave, and we are going to hire a FARMER.   Get it?
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: redneckfriend on November 09, 2017, 06:29:31 pm
non slave state is a dumb ass statement.. COME ON MAN..

other people visit this site.. STAY CLASSY

Sorry, but when the word "carpetbagger" is thrown around on this site with so little regard for what it is code for that is a hard argument for you to make.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: KennyForAD on November 09, 2017, 06:32:32 pm
Sorry, but when the word "carpetbagger" is thrown around on this site with so little regard for what it is code for that is a hard argument for you to make.

A carpetbagger is a con man who pretends to be an expert and tries to sell BS to gullible people.   Sound familiar?    "Long on Integrity"  "Professional Athletic Director."    LOL   Horse Dung.   The man doesn't know his butt from a bomb crater, but he's a great salesman.   He sure suckered the UofA.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: mckinneyhog5 on November 09, 2017, 06:33:08 pm
How many times have I explained this?   Drive to Mexico and replenish my dwindling Absynthe stockpile and I'll go through every detail, once again.  Short of that, I realize that the war is won and I don't need to do it anymore.  Enough, and more importantly - the RIGHT, people are enlightened.  It boils down to this:

JEFF LONG IS A FRAUD.   Would you hire a 'professional administrator (con man)' to grow your crops, or would you hire a freaking farmer?   We hired a con man.  Our crops have failed.  Who would've guessed?   He's going to leave, and we are going to hire a FARMER.   Get it?
I'm really going to enjoy another year of your itching...
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: KennyForAD on November 09, 2017, 06:35:14 pm
I'm really going to enjoy another year of your itching...

If that's what it takes.  I'll bet Jeff Long is selling "Long on Integrity" T shirts elsewhere a year from now.  But we'll see.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: redneckfriend on November 09, 2017, 06:36:36 pm
There is no real reason that we know of to fire Jeff Long UNLESS Bret Bielema loses (take your pick the next 1, 2 or 3 games) and Long doesn't fire him after his year end review. Now there may be other reasons we don't know about- including political power plays among those who count.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Farmer Hogget on November 09, 2017, 06:40:40 pm
non slave state is a dumb ass statement.. COME ON MAN..

other people visit this site.. STAY CLASSY

So, it's okay to call Jeff Long a carpetbagger but we can't say non-slave state?  I think the JL haters started that sort of reference.  Turn about is fair play.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: thebignasty on November 09, 2017, 06:42:34 pm
Youíll meet ol Delta soon enough and things will be clearer.

I helped him out
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: KennyForAD on November 09, 2017, 06:44:26 pm
There is no real reason that we know of to fire Jeff Long UNLESS Bret Bielema loses (take your pick the next 1, 2 or 3 games) and Long doesn't fire him after his year end review. Now there may be other reasons we don't know about- including political power plays among those who count.

Really?   NO reason?   lol
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: KennyForAD on November 09, 2017, 06:52:28 pm
The guy came here, pretending to be a, "Professional Athletic Director," as if that is something that even exists, stood on a podium pretending to cry, so as to promote himself while firing a coach, lied about the reasons to fire that coach so that he could pretend to have more integrity than the average Joe, then sold "Long on Integrity" T-Shirts!   For crying out loud, are you BLIND?

If you don't think that the term, "Carpetbagger" fits Jeff Long, then you don't know what a carpetbagger IS.   A carpetbagger is a fraud, above all else.  Long isn't a carpetbagger because he came from Pittsburgh.  He's a carpetbagger because he is a FRAUD.  We were just too stupid to ask, "What is in your bottle of snake oil?"   Ask yourself:  What makes Jeff Long qualified to be an AD?   Answer:  NOTHING.  Nothing at all, other than his ridiculous claim to be a 'professional AD.'   That is why his results are so ... horrific.  If the administrators of the University of Arkansas had any sense at all, they would beg the FBI to see if they could find out how much of their money that dude has funneled to banks in the Caribbean.    LESSON:   When someone starts crowing about how much integrity he has, its a RED FLAG telling you to DUCK.

 
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Grunt on November 09, 2017, 06:54:46 pm
B.P.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: StanHog on November 09, 2017, 07:01:31 pm
SUX
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Hogvillage Idiot on November 09, 2017, 07:02:08 pm
The guy came here, pretending to be a, "Professional Athletic Director," as if that is something that even exists, stood on a podium pretending to cry, so as to promote himself while firing a coach, lied about the reasons to fire that coach so that he could pretend to have more integrity than the average Joe, then sold "Long on Integrity" T-Shirts!
I'm not so certain about all that.  Seems like an argument of conjecture and presupposition.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Piggfoot on November 09, 2017, 07:05:08 pm
Long problems have nothing to do with Hogville, far from it.
By all means enlighten us. Preferably with facts instead of hearsay, especially Hogville hearsay.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: rtr on November 09, 2017, 07:31:14 pm
By all means enlighten us. Preferably with facts instead of hearsay, especially Hogville hearsay.
You really think Hogville put him in this position?  If so, that is absolutely precious.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: KennyForAD on November 09, 2017, 07:31:41 pm
I'm not so certain about all that.  Seems like an argument of conjecture and presupposition.

You have named yourself well, sir.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: East Clintwood on November 09, 2017, 07:32:21 pm
Hogville was livid over Bielemaís buy out of 15 million. 15 million. Long was a n idiot for writing such a idiotic contract. Hogville screamed fire him heís an idiot .... ........
then it came about that it was only 5 million..... but the ball was already rolling on Hogville. Hogville wanted blood.

The buyout was originally for $15mil.  It reduces every month to the point that at the end of this years, it will be $5.9mil.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: KennyForAD on November 09, 2017, 07:34:41 pm
Let me tell you something else:  These Jeff Long Minion Trolls KNOW that their boss is a fraud.  They are paid propagandists, and they have done their job well, for years.

Word to the wise.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Hogvillage Idiot on November 09, 2017, 07:34:46 pm
You have named yourself well, sir.
I get that a lot from folks who can't defend their position. ;)
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: KennyForAD on November 09, 2017, 07:40:34 pm
I get that a lot from folks who can't defend their position. ;)

There are many GREAT people in Arkansas who fit that description.  Simple, trusting, and naive.  I love them all.   I am NOT one of them - when it comes to inabliity to defend a position in writing.  Maybe someday I'll be as GOOD a person as they are, but you will never be.  Try again, paid Troll.  You have bitten more than you will ever be able to chew.

And should you not be helping your boss pack his bags?
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: swineology on November 09, 2017, 07:43:05 pm
Here is what it boils down to.

According to a good faction of you, Bobby Petrino was a scumbag. Jeff hired said scumbag. Scumbag won games, wrecked hiimself and Jeff fired him....claiming superior morals and integrity.

Jeff then hires Smile. Smile has lots of financial trouble. Jeff works his contract where his money is safe from bankruptcy. Smile sets fire to a pretty good team.

Jeff then hires Bret. Enough has been said about this...but we are now in the worst 6 year stretch in football since the 40's. Football is your cash cow and his last 3 hires have been failures...

Put it this way...if you as a general manager of Lou's discount liquor and 50Ę trinkets store and your last 3 hires  we're a serial killer, according to some of y'all, an arsonist and a dunce...Lou isn't going to keep you around....

PRJ

When's the last time you walked the campus?
Haven't you seen the new facilites that were needed to keep up with the SEC?

JL is well respected in the NCAA world, but the GOBN doesn't want to hear the truth. They're pissed because they can't drink Coke and meddle in the AD.

Yup, fire his A$$ and burn this program down again.

That'll fix it.


Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Hogvillage Idiot on November 09, 2017, 07:43:11 pm
There are many GREAT people in Arkansas who fit that description.  Simple, trusting, and naive.  I love them all.   I am NOT one of them.  Try again, paid Troll.
I don't take your meaning.  I'm not trolling, however if I can get paid for it then I might try it out.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: KennyForAD on November 09, 2017, 07:46:18 pm
When's the last time you walked the campus?
Haven't you seen the new facilites that were needed to keep up with the SEC?

JL is well respected in the NCAA world, but the GOBN doesn't want to hear the truth. They're pissed because they can't drink Coke and meddle in the AD.

Yup, fire his A$$ and burn this program down again.

That'll fix it.




Gross.   Is this not obvious yet?
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: KennyForAD on November 09, 2017, 07:47:17 pm
I don't take your meaning.  I'm not trolling, however if I can get paid for it then I might try it out.

I doubt that very seriously.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Hogvillage Idiot on November 09, 2017, 07:56:22 pm
I doubt that very seriously.
Look dude.  Either defend your position or move on.  I basically pointed out that you stated your opinion as facts and instead of correcting me with real facts you basically resorted to name calling.  Now who's the troll?
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: seasonhog on November 09, 2017, 07:56:33 pm
When's the last time you walked the campus?
Haven't you seen the new facilites that were needed to keep up with the SEC?

JL is well respected in the NCAA world, but the GOBN doesn't want to hear the truth. They're pissed because they can't drink Coke and meddle in the AD.

Yup, fire his A$$ and burn this program down again.

That'll fix it.



Can't drink coke................that enough right there....fire them all.













Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: KennyForAD on November 09, 2017, 07:57:49 pm
Look dude.  Either defend your position or move on.  I basically pointed out that you stated your opinion as facts and instead of correcting me with realfacts you basically resorted to name calling. Now who's the troll?

You
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: KennyForAD on November 09, 2017, 07:59:43 pm
Look dude.  Either defend your position or move on.  I basically pointed out that you stated your opinion as facts and instead of correcting me with real facts you basically resorted to name calling.  Now who's the troll?

YOU are.  And I'll bet you are paid to be one.  Like me to find out?

The guy came here, pretending to be a, "Professional Athletic Director," as if that is something that even exists, stood on a podium pretending to cry, so as to promote himself while firing a coach, lied about the reasons to fire that coach so that he could pretend to have more integrity than the average Joe, then sold "Long on Integrity" T-Shirts!   For crying out loud, are you BLIND?

If you don't think that the term, "Carpetbagger" fits Jeff Long, then you don't know what a carpetbagger IS.   A carpetbagger is a fraud, above all else.  Long isn't a carpetbagger because he came from Pittsburgh.  He's a carpetbagger because he is a FRAUD.  We were just too stupid to ask, "What is in your bottle of snake oil?"   Ask yourself:  What makes Jeff Long qualified to be an AD?   Answer:  NOTHING.  Nothing at all, other than his ridiculous claim to be a 'professional AD.'   That is why his results are so ... horrific.  If the administrators of the University of Arkansas had any sense at all, they would beg the FBI to see if they could find out how much of their money that dude has funneled to banks in the Caribbean.    LESSON:   When someone starts crowing about how much integrity he has, its a RED FLAG telling you to DUCK.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Three and Snout on November 09, 2017, 08:00:53 pm
sold "Long on Integrity" T-Shirts!

They were given out.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: GoldCoastHog on November 09, 2017, 08:01:37 pm
Anger, there's too much anger that we've lost football games.  Firing the coach won't release enough anger so the unwashed masses want to fire the athletic director too. 

Objectively he's done a fair job and in a sane world his job would only be threatened if he refused to fire Bielema after this season but we don't live in that world. 

There's also a neo-confederate bias that doesn't want an AD who was born in a non slave state

Anger? Seriously? No, there is a real body of work to go on with Jeff Long.
Letís start with his first head coaching search. Our illustrious AD ďwhittled down ď to serious negotiations with Tommy Bowden and Jim Grobe( the latter of which , briefly accepted the job, only to sleep on it, and back out). Now fast forward .So, what  are those two doing today? Hell, Baylor couldnít run off Grobe fast enough!!
But, back to that hire going into Ď08;  Bobby Petrino aggressively pursued the job , and Long , to get an interview. By some miracle, he secured the job.
Then, four years, five months later, Long got his reckoning, and pounced on an opportunity to fire him.
Afterward, in ď stunning fashion ď he hires John L. Smith to a reassuring 10 month contract. ( donít need to go any further).
Then, during the course of a very special 2012 campaign, Long receives a ďlove letterĒ filled with ďsweet nothingsĒ in his ear, from none other than our current sitting coach , who is dangerously on the path to an 11-29 conference record over five seasons.
( note: Sylvester Croom went 10-30 in five seasons at MS State; leaving them ďCroomedĒ).
Back to the ďlove letterĒ and our number one ranked AD. I have yet to see anyone on this site, or elsewhere, share any evidence that Long conducted a true coaching search, involving the serious interview and evaluation of several viable candidates for the head coaching opening at the University of Arkansas. If , as it appears, he made a hire of the current head coach, without a thorough interview and search process, then he is unfit to assume those duties and responsibilities. PERIOD.
Secondly,
the fact of the matter is , he is a ďyankeeĒ. It doesnít matter if you like it or not, or even whether or not you like the term.
The reality is that he is from the North. The reality is , even today, people that hail from that region are different. It doesnít necessarily mean theyíre bad per se, but they are different. I should know, because I travel coast to coast for a living. I currently cover New York State and Connecticut. I can personally attest to the fact that people in that area are , to this day, different than those of us in the South. Which leads me to the point that if you are from the South, you still have a real understanding of this fact. Typically, transplants and other non natives are the ones that wind up ď wearing their emotions on their sleevesĒ over this. Not sure where you personally fall, but my ďradar ď is certainly going off.

Lastly, your use of ď neo- confederate and slave stateĒ sends an interesting signal to me. So, whenever youíre ready for a history lesson ,let me know by sending me a PM. I would be happy to enlighten you. I was a history major and studied at both private and public universities ( including the UA) with my primary focus the American Civil War.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: PossumFan on November 09, 2017, 08:01:45 pm
My observations:

- Long scored huge points with me for the way he handled the Petrino debacle.
- Hogville is the only place I can think of where integrity is considered a fault.
- I don't understand why folks question his credentials. The man had a 20-year career in athletic administration before coming to Fayetteville.
- The JLS appointment can be excused because there really weren't any obvious better choices at the time.
- The Bielema hire looked like a home run when it was made. There was absolutely nothing in Bielema's history to suggest he would not be a success here. The only mistake Long made in this regard was the big buyout when Bielema really hadn't earned it yet.
- All in all, not a perfect tenure by any means -- but not much cause for firing him either, IMO.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Piggfoot on November 09, 2017, 08:02:34 pm
You really think Hogville put him in this position?  If so, that is absolutely precious.
please go back and read the OP and answer that question. Iím not going to have an opinion on Long based on rumor or personal dislike.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: KennyForAD on November 09, 2017, 08:03:07 pm
They were given out.

Even worse.  But, +1 to you for being the rare Minion Troll with a sense of humor.   
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: KennyForAD on November 09, 2017, 08:04:17 pm
My observations:

- Long scored huge points with me for the way he handled the Petrino debacle.
- Hogville is the only place I can think of where integrity is considered a fault.
- I don't understand why folks question his credentials. The man had a 20-year career in athletic administration before coming to Fayetteville.
- The JLS appointment can be excused because there really weren't any obvious better choices at the time.
- The Bielema hire looked like a home run when it was made. There was absolutely nothing in Bielema's history to suggest he would not be a success here. The only mistake Long made in this regard was the big buyout when Bielema really hadn't earned it yet.
- All in all, not a perfect tenure by any means -- but not much cause for firing him either, IMO.

Gross.  Go back to Pittsburgh.  I hear its much nicer now.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: KennyForAD on November 09, 2017, 08:06:10 pm
:puke:

 :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Pork Ranger on November 09, 2017, 08:07:27 pm
If he valued integrity so much he wouldn't have hired a coach who quit on his team with 3 games left on the schedule.

He just used the unfortunate incident as a pedestal to hoist himself up on
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Hogvillage Idiot on November 09, 2017, 08:07:55 pm
YOU are.  And I'll bet you are paid to be one.  Like me to find out?

The guy came here, pretending (opinion)to be a, "Professional Athletic Director," as if that is something that even exists, stood on a podium pretending (opinion) to cry, so as to promote himself(opinion) while firing a coach, lied (opinion) about the reasons to fire that coach so that he could pretend (opinion) to have more integrity than the average Joe, then sold "Long on Integrity" T-Shirts! (accusation)   For crying out loud, are you BLIND? (Not blind, just not willing to read too much into things.)

If you don't think that the term, "Carpetbagger" fits Jeff Long, then you don't know what a carpetbagger IS.  A carpetbagger is a fraud, above all else.  Long isn't a carpetbagger because he came from Pittsburgh.  He's a carpetbagger because he is a FRAUD.  We were just too stupid to ask, "What is in your bottle of snake oil?"   Ask yourself:  What makes Jeff Long qualified to be an AD?   Answer:  NOTHING.  Nothing at all, other than his ridiculous claim to be a 'professional AD.'   That is why his results are so ... horrific.  If the administrators of the University of Arkansas had any sense at all, they would beg the FBI to see if they could find out how much of their money that dude has funneled to banks in the Caribbean.    LESSON:   When someone starts crowing about how much integrity he has, its a RED FLAG telling you to DUCK.
If your assumptions are correct then yes, the term "Carpetbagger" would fit.  I'm just not into unfairly judging folks.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: KennyForAD on November 09, 2017, 08:08:44 pm
If he valued integrity so much he wouldn't have hired a coach who quit on his team with 3 games left on the schedule.

He just used the unfortunate incident as a pedestal to hoist himself up on

Drive his sorry ass out of here!
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: KennyForAD on November 09, 2017, 08:09:59 pm
If your assumptions are correct then yes, you the term "Carpetbagger" would fit.  I'm just not into unfairly judging folks.

Neither are the good people of Arkansas.  But be warned.  Once they figure you out, you better run.   As for me, I've seen atrocities far greater than yours.  Long hasn't drawn any blood that I know of.   But its time to get the Hell out of Dodge, and if you don't know it, you should.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: cram224 on November 09, 2017, 08:10:59 pm
The buyout was originally for $15mil.  It reduces every month to the point that at the end of this years, it will be $5.9mil.
How do you know that?
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: PossumFan on November 09, 2017, 08:11:10 pm
Gross.  Go back to Pittsburgh.  I hear its much nicer now.

I know your're just being a smart-a**, but in case anyone takes you seriously: I'm not from Pittsburgh, I live in Virginia. I'm not being paid by anyone (other than Social Security and my pension fund). I'm just a regular Hog fan who thinks all this hatred for Long is a bit over the top and undeserved. If I truly made you vomit, I extend my sincere apologies. 
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: rtr on November 09, 2017, 08:12:54 pm
please go back and read the OP and answer that question. Iím not going to have an opinion on Long based on rumor or personal dislike.
The OP is as clueless as you, only the President, Chancellor and BOT know for sure.  They are not taking a hard look because of the reasons listed in the OP. 
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: KennyForAD on November 09, 2017, 08:13:28 pm
I know your're just being a smart-a**, but in case anyone takes you seriously: I'm not from Pittsburgh, I live in Virginia. I'm not being paid by anyone (other than Social Security and my pension fund). I'm just a regular Hog fan who thinks all this hatred for Long is a bit over the top and undeserved. If I truly made you vomit, I extend my sincere apologies. 

You didn't.  But thank you for your courtesy. 
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: KennyForAD on November 09, 2017, 08:15:17 pm
Goodnight Trolls.   Good luck finding your worm eating slimy snake of a boss a new job. 
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Three and Snout on November 09, 2017, 08:15:22 pm
Even worse.  But, +1 to you for being the rare Minion Troll with a sense of humor.

Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: jabberjawls on November 09, 2017, 08:18:02 pm
Arrogance.  Out of touch with Arkansas people, traditions and expectations.  Dishonest.  Condescending.  Self-promoter.  That pretty much defines a carpet bagger.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: mceasy1001 on November 09, 2017, 08:18:24 pm
I am 33 years old and within those 33 years we the razorbacks have had a total of 6 double digits win seasons.  Jeff Long happens to have been the AD for 1/3 of them.

Jeff inherited a mediocre athletic department at best.  An average football program, below average men's and women's basketball, and good (still good) baseball and track programs.

Yes Jeff got rid of the front facing hog, the lady backs name, and yes has added grey to the color scheme.  I understand that people are going to want him fired no matter what the facts say, but as long as we are not like LSU and writing hot checks he has to stay if you want BB gone.

 There will not be a decent coach that would want to come here without having a named AD with a long contract.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Hogvillage Idiot on November 09, 2017, 08:23:15 pm
The only thing that really bothers me about Jeff Long is that he was hired by John White.  I'm not passing judgement on whether or not Mr. Long is adequately performing the duties for which he was hired, but considering that he was hired by John White - I'm not quite sure what those duties are.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: KennyForAD on November 09, 2017, 08:25:16 pm
I know your're just being a smart-a**, but in case anyone takes you seriously: I'm not from Pittsburgh, I live in Virginia. I'm not being paid by anyone (other than Social Security and my pension fund). I'm just a regular Hog fan who thinks all this hatred for Long is a bit over the top and undeserved. If I truly made you vomit, I extend my sincere apologies. 

Has anyone here noticed that all these 'Jeff Long Supporters' happen to 'live' (or more likely, their IP addresses ID them) in Washington, D.C. and Virginia, etc?   Wake up people.  If you think DOUGLAS (Or anyone - No offense to Douglas) can stop a real computer expert from faking accounts, then I envy you for the fantasy world in which you live.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Hogvillage Idiot on November 09, 2017, 08:27:37 pm
Has anyone here noticed that all these 'Jeff Long Supporters' happen to 'live' (or my likely their IP addresses ID them) in Washington, D.C. or Virginia, etc?   Wake up people.
You assume way too much.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: KennyForAD on November 09, 2017, 08:28:42 pm
You assume way too much.

I never really assumed that you were an 'idiot,'  Just that you were willing to do a job that I would never do.  ;)
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Hogvillage Idiot on November 09, 2017, 08:30:40 pm
I never really assumed that you were an 'idiot.'   :)
I'll get you at recess! :P
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: KennyForAD on November 09, 2017, 08:32:19 pm
I'll get you at recess!

I'll be there.  Do you mind if I show up on a bulldozer?
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: KennyForAD on November 09, 2017, 08:34:00 pm
Seriously,

Good night, and kudos to you trolls with a sense of humor.  Maybe there is hope for you.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: KennyForAD on November 09, 2017, 08:35:49 pm
Lanny, do you believe me now?  Hogville = Trollville.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: PharmacistHog on November 09, 2017, 08:36:35 pm
There are many GREAT people in Arkansas who fit that description.  Simple, trusting, and naive.  I love them all.   I am NOT one of them - when it comes to inabliity to defend a position in writing.  Maybe someday I'll be as GOOD a person as they are, but you will never be.  Try again, paid Troll.  You have bitten more than you will ever be able to chew.

And should you not be helping your boss pack his bags?

You really need to calm the frick down. Nobody is paid to support long. Thatís ridiculous. Iím glad him and bielema are leaving but Iíve heard enough of your garbage. Not being hellbent on burning Long at the stake does not equate to being a Long supporter.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: BR on November 09, 2017, 08:37:30 pm
You really need to calm the frick down. Nobody is paid to support long. Thatís ridiculous. Iím glad him and bielema are leaving but Iíve heard enough of your garbage. Not being hellbent on burning Long at the stake does not equate to being a Long supporter.
amen
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: BR on November 09, 2017, 08:39:20 pm
A carpetbagger is a con man who pretends to be an expert and tries to sell BS to gullible people.   Sound familiar?    "Long on Integrity"  "Professional Athletic Director."    LOL   Horse Dung.   The man doesn't know his butt from a bomb crater, but he's a great salesman.   He sure suckered the UofA.
you without a doubt,  must be a freakin idiot..... 
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Hogvillage Idiot on November 09, 2017, 08:41:57 pm
I'll be there.  Do you mind if I show up on a bulldozer?
A real bulldozer?  Yeah, that would be cool!
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: East Clintwood on November 09, 2017, 08:48:18 pm
I may get run off of this board for this, but I have asked in a few different threads and haven't gotten a good answer.  I am still not clear on why we are so hot to fire Jeff Long.  What is it exactly that he is to have done that we want him fired for?  From what I can tell other than the football hire which hasn't worked out, he has done a pretty decent job.  Is there some legitimate reason for wanting him gone this bad that I am missing? I'm not trolling, I just legitimately don't get the seething hatred for Jeff Long. I was talking to some folks at work today and they were saying if it was one or the other they'd rather fire Jeff Long and keep Bielema? I asked why and the only answer I got was that he was arrogant and (actual quote) " had ruined the university and run it directly into the ground"

To save some time I already know he fired Bobby Petrino.  I know about the Pepsi contract. I know how bad the football program is right now.  I know that we are in the middle of an expensive stadium upgrade. I know about the Jimmy Dykes hire. I know Jeff Long is not from Arkansas, or even the south (gasp)  Are these the reasons that people are filled with righteous hate for Long or is there something else that I am unaware of or have misunderstood, because I am looking at those things and I don't get the "Jeff long has to go now" stance.  Also to save time, I don't work for Jeff Long, I don't work for the University, i'm just a regular fan who feel like I have somehow gone nuts because everyone is so sure of something and I don't get it at all.



This has been explained many, many times before.  You havenít tried very hard to find answers if youíve overlooked the threads with this answered.  Iíve partially answered it at least 10 times over the last few months myself. Iíll answer it again but Iím not much of a typist and Iíll skip over parts of if for brevity.

John White, as chancellor of the UofA, thought that the athletic department had too much power and importance at the university.  He had clashed many times with Frank Broyles and at one time tried to oust him but was thwarted by the GOBN and political forces.

With Broyles retiring, White sought to replace him with someone that shared his beliefs on the place of athletics in the university structure.  He found his guy at the University of Pittsburgh.  Jeff long had been their AD for 6 years and his head coach hire, Dave Wannstedt, was turning this previously successful football program into a cellar dweller (sound familiar?).  Long was facing a lot of controversy at Pitt over his handling of the department and was looking to get of ottown.

White hired Long with the instructions that he was to separate the GOBN from having any influence over the athletic department (not necessarily a bad thing but he went too far) and to cut the power athletics had and the importance placed upon the various teams, especially football and basketball at the UofA.   Long shared these beliefs and set about to remove the GOBN and the foundation from any power and redirect the focus of the athletic department.  White is long gone from power but, as none of his replacements has redirected his direction, Long has continued his mission.

Longís record of coaching hires (or attempted hires) basically sucks:

   At Pitt, Wannstedt Ė failure
   Grobe Ė hired but changed his mind
   Bowden Ė turned down the job
   Petrino Ė he pursued the job with JJones help and JL hired him but fired him when he got
                           the chance.  Definitely Longís only successful hire but again, he fired him.
   Smith Ė not a lot of choices here but about the worst of the choices
   Beilema Ė looked good on the surface but to anyone that really looked into the background and
                             tried to project Bert's system into the Razorback situation, it was pretty much
                             doomed before is began.
   Dykes Ė really off the wall choice and very few thought it could work at all
   Anderson Ė the juryís still out on this one but I donít give Long credit or blame here as there
                        was just too much pressure from too many people to make this hire.
   I wonít list any other sportís coaches because I donít follow those sports.

The single most important damage that Jeff Long has done the the sports programs at Arkansas though is the culture change that he has fostered on the department.  That is, that winning is not important.  I donít think he necessarily has anything against winning but itís far down list list of priorities and heís now going to lose any sleep over it if we donít win.

Again, Iíve left out a lot but itís all been posted before.  Search for it.

Fire Jeff Long and let us try and return to winning again.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: PharmacistHog on November 09, 2017, 08:50:17 pm


This has been explained many, many times before.  You havenít tried very hard to find answers if youíve overlooked the threads with this answered.  Iíve partially answered it at least 10 times over the last few months myself. Iíll answer it again but Iím not much of a typist and Iíll skip over parts of if for brevity.

John White, as chancellor of the UofA, thought that the athletic department had too much power and importance at the university.  He had clashed many times with Frank Broyles and at one time tried to oust him but was thwarted by the GOBN and political forces.

With Broyles retiring, White sought to replace him with someone that shared his beliefs on the place of athletics in the university structure.  He found his guy at the University of Pittsburgh.  Jeff long had been their AD for 6 years and his head coach hire, Dave Wannstedt, was turning this previously successful football program into a cellar dweller (sound familiar?).  Long was facing a lot of controversy at Pitt over his handling of the department and was looking to get of ottown.

White hired Long with the instructions that he was to separate the GOBN from having any influence over the athletic department (not necessarily a bad thing but he went too far) and to cut the power athletics had and the importance placed upon the various teams, especially football and basketball at the UofA.   Long shared these beliefs and set about to remove the GOBN and the foundation from any power and redirect the focus of the athletic department.  White is long gone from power but, as none of his replacements has redirected his direction, Long has continued his mission.

Longís record of coaching hires (or attempted hires) basically sucks:

   At Pitt, Wannstedt Ė failure
   Grobe Ė hired but changed his mind
   Bowden Ė turned down the job
   Petrino Ė he pursued the job with JJones help and JL hired him but fired him when he got
                           the chance.  Definitely Longís only successful hire but again, he fired him.
   Smith Ė not a lot of choices here but about the worst of the choices
   Beilema Ė looked good on the surface but to anyone that really looked into the background and
                             tried to project Bert's system into the Razorback situation, it was pretty much
                             doomed before is began.
   Dykes Ė really off the wall choice and very few thought it could work at all
   Anderson Ė the juryís still out on this one but I donít give Long credit or blame here as there
                        was just too much pressure from too many people to make this hire.
   I wonít list any other sportís coaches because I donít follow those sports.

The single most important damage that Jeff Long has done the the sports programs at Arkansas though is the culture change that he has fostered on the department.  That is, that winning is not important.  I donít think he necessarily has anything against winning but itís far down list list of priorities and heís now going to lose any sleep over it if we donít win.

Again, Iíve left out a lot but itís all been posted before.  Search for it.

Fire Jeff Long and let us try and return to winning again.

Longs gonna leave but not for any of that stuff.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: East Clintwood on November 09, 2017, 08:53:02 pm
How do you know that?


Because I've looked up and read the contracts online.  All you have to do is google "Beilema contract" or search for one of the many news articles explaining the terms.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: swineology on November 09, 2017, 08:53:12 pm
Lanny, do you believe me now?  Hogville = Trollville.

Where did our AD Jeff Long touch you?
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: potus on November 09, 2017, 08:53:23 pm
Right after Jeff Long was hired he told Chuck Dicus to start making an appointment when he wanted to see him.  Discus was the wide receiver on the 1969 Arkansas team that played Texas in the game of the century. He was a two time first team all American and President Nixon sought him out in the dressing room after the game and compared him to Lance Alworth.  Dicus is simply an Arkansas legend that has also been faithful to his alma mater.  After that action Long put himself in a position where he couldn't make a mistake the rest of his career at Arkansas.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Hogvillage Idiot on November 09, 2017, 08:56:33 pm


This has been explained many, many times before.  You havenít tried very hard to find answers if youíve overlooked the threads with this answered.  Iíve partially answered it at least 10 times over the last few months myself. Iíll answer it again but Iím not much of a typist and Iíll skip over parts of if for brevity.

John White, as chancellor of the UofA, thought that the athletic department had too much power and importance at the university.  He had clashed many times with Frank Broyles and at one time tried to oust him but was thwarted by the GOBN and political forces.

With Broyles retiring, White sought to replace him with someone that shared his beliefs on the place of athletics in the university structure.  He found his guy at the University of Pittsburgh.  Jeff long had been their AD for 6 years and his head coach hire, Dave Wannstedt, was turning this previously successful football program into a cellar dweller (sound familiar?).  Long was facing a lot of controversy at Pitt over his handling of the department and was looking to get of ottown.

White hired Long with the instructions that he was to separate the GOBN from having any influence over the athletic department (not necessarily a bad thing but he went too far) and to cut the power athletics had and the importance placed upon the various teams, especially football and basketball at the UofA.   Long shared these beliefs and set about to remove the GOBN and the foundation from any power and redirect the focus of the athletic department.  White is long gone from power but, as none of his replacements has redirected his direction, Long has continued his mission.

Longís record of coaching hires (or attempted hires) basically sucks:

   At Pitt, Wannstedt Ė failure
   Grobe Ė hired but changed his mind
   Bowden Ė turned down the job
   Petrino Ė he pursued the job with JJones help and JL hired him but fired him when he got
                           the chance.  Definitely Longís only successful hire but again, he fired him.
   Smith Ė not a lot of choices here but about the worst of the choices
   Beilema Ė looked good on the surface but to anyone that really looked into the background and
                             tried to project Bert's system into the Razorback situation, it was pretty much
                             doomed before is began.
   Dykes Ė really off the wall choice and very few thought it could work at all
   Anderson Ė the juryís still out on this one but I donít give Long credit or blame here as there
                        was just too much pressure from too many people to make this hire.
   I wonít list any other sportís coaches because I donít follow those sports.

The single most important damage that Jeff Long has done the the sports programs at Arkansas though is the culture change that he has fostered on the department.  That is, that winning is not important.  I donít think he necessarily has anything against winning but itís far down list list of priorities and heís now going to lose any sleep over it if we donít win.

Again, Iíve left out a lot but itís all been posted before.  Search for it.

Fire Jeff Long and let us try and return to winning again.
Thank you.   This is about the most fair and just assessment of the situation that I have seen on this board.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: PorkRinds on November 09, 2017, 08:57:31 pm
Right after Jeff Long was hired he told Chuck Dicus to start making an appointment when he wanted to see him.  Discus was the wide receiver on the 1969 Arkansas team that played Texas in the game of the century. He was a two time first team all American and President Nixon sought him out in the dressing room after the game and compared him to Lance Alworth.  Dicus is simply an Arkansas legend that has also been faithful to his alma mater.  After that action Long put himself in a position where he couldn't make a mistake the rest of his career at Arkansas.

Why should anyone be able to talk to the AD any time they feel like it?
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: cram224 on November 09, 2017, 08:59:28 pm

Because I've looked up and read the contracts online.  All you have to do is google "Beilema contract" or search for one of the many news articles explaining the terms.
You maybe able to look at his contract with the state. However most of CBB salary is paid by the Razorback Foundation and is not part of FOIA. I doubt that the Foundation has released his contract.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Three and Snout on November 09, 2017, 08:59:52 pm
Why should anyone be able to talk to the AD any time they feel like it?

Don't worry about him.  He has very few poasts, so he's obviously a paid Jeff Long troll minion... ::)
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: East Clintwood on November 09, 2017, 09:02:16 pm
Longs gonna leave but not for any of that stuff.

I don't care why he leaves just as long as he leaves.

I'm not out for a pound of flesh or anything like that, I just want to see the Razorbacks be successful.  And he needs to go for that to happen.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: East Clintwood on November 09, 2017, 09:05:04 pm
You maybe able to look at his contract with the state. However most of CBB salary is paid by the Razorback Foundation and is not part of FOIA. I doubt that the Foundation has released his contract.

Go read the contracts.  They are with the UofA, not the foundation.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: PharmacistHog on November 09, 2017, 09:08:44 pm
I don't care why he leaves just as long as he leaves.

I'm not out for a pound of flesh or anything like that, I just want to see the Razorbacks be successful.  And he needs to go for that to happen.


Kinda where Iím at I think. Bielema HAS to go. I wonít throw a fit if Long manages to hang around but Iíd prefer he go as well.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: PharmacistHog on November 09, 2017, 09:12:29 pm
Yes.  I pushed a spotlighters truck into a tree Saturday night with it.  Bet.  Get one.  Its worth the money.

Admins:  If you don't really want to learn the truth, fine by me.  Enjoy, and Cheers! 

If you believe the ďtruthĒ is that there are posters here that are paid to defend Long, I just feel sorry for you.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: BR on November 09, 2017, 09:18:48 pm
Yes.  I pushed a spotlighters truck into a tree Saturday night with it.  Bet.  Get one.  Its worth the money.

Admins:  If you don't really want to learn the truth, fine by me.  Enjoy, and Cheers! 
lol... getting deep now
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: jabberjawls on November 09, 2017, 09:20:27 pm
Why should anyone be able to talk to the AD any time they feel like it?
Dude, he didn't say "anyone".   
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: potus on November 09, 2017, 09:25:29 pm
Whether you agree or disagree on the appointment issue is another debate.  Last year Senator Pryor, Johnny Tyson and Kanester Hodges very politely ask Jeff to wait on the stadium expansion. Long pushed forward despite their concerns. They were not saying no never but rather not right now.  All I am saying is when you push forward like he has you take a chance of burning bridges.  As long as you are right most of the time it doesn't matter. Make a few mistakes and there is usually hell to pay!
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: EastexHawg on November 09, 2017, 09:27:12 pm
Why should anyone be able to talk to the AD any time they feel like it?

In addition to being one of the greatest players in Arkansas history and a member of the College Football Hall of Fame, Chuck Dicus was President of the Razorback Foundation.  You know, the foundation that pays the majority of the salaries of the most highly paid employees of the athletic department.

There will be few tears shed for Long when he hits the road.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: cram224 on November 09, 2017, 09:27:51 pm
Go read the contracts.  They are with the UofA, not the foundation.
$250,000 is the max you can receive from the state. The UofA is considered part of the state budget. I will assure you the UofA doesn't have 5 million xtra dollars for a football coach.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: snoblind on November 09, 2017, 09:31:59 pm
You really need to calm the frick down. Nobody is paid to support long. That’s ridiculous. I’m glad him and bielema are leaving but I’ve heard enough of your garbage. Not being hellbent on burning Long at the stake does not equate to being a Long supporter.

Amen.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: East Clintwood on November 09, 2017, 09:32:28 pm
$250,000 is the max you can receive from the state. The UofA is considered part of the state budget. I will assure you the UofA doesn't have 5 million xtra dollars for a football coach.


Go read the #^#&$^*$ contract.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: cram224 on November 09, 2017, 09:41:44 pm

Go read the #^#&$^*$ contract.
I have. I guess in your thinking any buyout would have to be approved by the state leg.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: ShadowTheHedgehog on November 09, 2017, 09:54:02 pm
non slave state is a dumb ass statement.. COME ON MAN..

other people visit this site.. STAY CLASSY

The day Long was hired some people here called him a "Carpetbagger" so there is some truth to what he is saying.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: oldhog63 on November 09, 2017, 09:57:56 pm
An AD that claims ďwe are not a win at all cost programĒ should immediately be fired! Itís his job to care about winning!
That is what turned it for me. I was fairly neutral / fence sitting with Long until that speech. I sure wasnít happy with the state of the football program, but thought it was mostly a coaching problem. After that speech it seemed to me it was as much an administration problem as a coaching problem. I lost all confidence that he was capable of managing a P5 program. There seems to no sense of urgency. As someone said ďhe is fiddling while Rome is burning ď.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Ched "UglyUncle" Carpenter on November 09, 2017, 10:01:13 pm
Unless you have been caught up in the Jeff Long machine...

Unless you have personally dealt with his arrogance...

Unless you have seen how much he truly lacks integrity...

Then you just don't know the reason why so many will be glad to see him gone.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: porkrindjimmy on November 09, 2017, 10:06:07 pm
Unless you have been caught up in the Jeff Long machine...

Unless you have personally dealt with his arrogance...

Unless you have seen how much he truly lacks integrity...

Then you just don't know the reason why so many will be glad to see him gone.

Ummmm.....

Did you just bring the wood?

PRJ
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: jkstock04 on November 09, 2017, 10:12:10 pm
They were given out.
I saw the "integrity matters" shirts on display and for sale just a couple of weeks back at the Hog merchandise store next to Whole Foods.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Paulsooie on November 09, 2017, 10:17:55 pm
I seem to remember when we hired John L Smith that Phil Fulmer had volunteered to come and help out for a short contract.  At the time the idea gave me the dry heaves, but in hindsight...
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: jkstock04 on November 09, 2017, 10:18:25 pm
Let me tell you something else:  These Jeff Long Minion Trolls KNOW that their boss is a fraud.  They are paid propagandists, and they have done their job well, for years.

Word to the wise.
Naahhh. That's probably happened before...but most of these regulars that chest thump to this Jeff Long limp wristed culture are progressive liberals that love to see the program burn to the ground in the name of progressiveness.

More specifically, in this case winning doesn't matter, it's "secondary"...we do things "the right way" and have pity on programs like Alabama who take winning so seriously. The "student athlete" and academia are all that is important and easily trump whatever the scoreboard says on Saturdays. People that want to see the program win a lot of games are simple half-wits.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: snoblind on November 09, 2017, 10:24:35 pm
I have. I guess in your thinking any buyout would have to be approved by the state leg.

Foundation pays, BOT approves/disapproves if chancellor puts it forward.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: snoblind on November 09, 2017, 10:28:06 pm
Unless you have been caught up in the Jeff Long machine...

Unless you have personally dealt with his arrogance...

Unless you have seen how much he truly lacks integrity...

Then you just don't know the reason why so many will be glad to see him gone.

There it is.  Over/under on how many ask you for a link? 
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: huntindoc on November 09, 2017, 10:28:42 pm
I have. I guess in your thinking any buyout would have to be approved by the state leg.

If you read the contract you will see clearly it's with the University.  The RF is referred to as a third party payer.  CBB  is employed by the university and not the RF.   The contract is readily available on line.

Here is all 71 pages    http://www.arkansasbusiness.com/public/ab-Bret-Bielema-Contract.PDF
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Ched "UglyUncle" Carpenter on November 09, 2017, 10:30:40 pm
There it is.  Over/under on how many ask you for a link? 

LOL.

I am the link.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: texas tush hog on November 09, 2017, 10:31:06 pm
Good Ole Boy Network




Essentially, everybody who ever coached or played under coach Broyles. Count me in.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: texas tush hog on November 09, 2017, 10:37:17 pm
Unless you have been caught up in the Jeff Long machine...

Unless you have personally dealt with his arrogance...

Unless you have seen how much he truly lacks integrity...

Then you just don't know the reason why so many will be glad to see him gone.



Amen brother.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Hook 'em Hogs on November 09, 2017, 10:37:30 pm
Unless you have been caught up in the Jeff Long machine...

Unless you have personally dealt with his arrogance...

Unless you have seen how much he truly lacks integrity...

Then you just don't know the reason why so many will be glad to see him gone.

Geeze. And what if someone had a completely different interaction with him?  Ched, there are Hogville people that can't stand you and have challenged your integrity and character. Do I just disbelieve everthing that I've seen with my own eyes because if something you say!  Or Kenny?  It's amazing how any one person thinks they have it figured out. This is what sickens me is that any one can be so sure about stuff like this.  It's a shame we treat each other like this. All the definitions for carpetbagger and Yankee are just people redefining what they know to be true so they can say horrible things about someone. I don't care if they fire Long or not, but the unwholesome talk that comes out here is too much.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Farmer Hogget on November 09, 2017, 10:39:16 pm


This has been explained many, many times before.  You havenít tried very hard to find answers if youíve overlooked the threads with this answered.  Iíve partially answered it at least 10 times over the last few months myself. Iíll answer it again but Iím not much of a typist and Iíll skip over parts of if for brevity.

John White, as chancellor of the UofA, thought that the athletic department had too much power and importance at the university.  He had clashed many times with Frank Broyles and at one time tried to oust him but was thwarted by the GOBN and political forces.

With Broyles retiring, White sought to replace him with someone that shared his beliefs on the place of athletics in the university structure.  He found his guy at the University of Pittsburgh.  Jeff long had been their AD for 6 years and his head coach hire, Dave Wannstedt, was turning this previously successful football program into a cellar dweller (sound familiar?).  Long was facing a lot of controversy at Pitt over his handling of the department and was looking to get of ottown.

White hired Long with the instructions that he was to separate the GOBN from having any influence over the athletic department (not necessarily a bad thing but he went too far) and to cut the power athletics had and the importance placed upon the various teams, especially football and basketball at the UofA.   Long shared these beliefs and set about to remove the GOBN and the foundation from any power and redirect the focus of the athletic department.  White is long gone from power but, as none of his replacements has redirected his direction, Long has continued his mission.

Longís record of coaching hires (or attempted hires) basically sucks:

   At Pitt, Wannstedt Ė failure
   Grobe Ė hired but changed his mind
   Bowden Ė turned down the job
   Petrino Ė he pursued the job with JJones help and JL hired him but fired him when he got
                           the chance.  Definitely Longís only successful hire but again, he fired him.
   Smith Ė not a lot of choices here but about the worst of the choices
   Beilema Ė looked good on the surface but to anyone that really looked into the background and
                             tried to project Bert's system into the Razorback situation, it was pretty much
                             doomed before is began.
   Dykes Ė really off the wall choice and very few thought it could work at all
   Anderson Ė the juryís still out on this one but I donít give Long credit or blame here as there
                        was just too much pressure from too many people to make this hire.
   I wonít list any other sportís coaches because I donít follow those sports.

The single most important damage that Jeff Long has done the the sports programs at Arkansas though is the culture change that he has fostered on the department.  That is, that winning is not important.  I donít think he necessarily has anything against winning but itís far down list list of priorities and heís now going to lose any sleep over it if we donít win.

Again, Iíve left out a lot but itís all been posted before.  Search for it.

Fire Jeff Long and let us try and return to winning again.

What a festering turd of a post!

FACT:  The Jeff Long haters hate him because he fired Bobby Petrino.  That is all you need to know.  Anything good that has happened has been because of anyone else and anything bad that's happened has been because the evil AD  came to Arkansas with the sole purpose of destroying Razorback athletics since that is the job of an Athletics Director.  These Jeff Long haters also wear tin foil hats.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: EastexHawg on November 09, 2017, 10:42:01 pm
I saw the "integrity matters" shirts on display and for sale just a couple of weeks back at the Hog merchandise store next to Whole Foods.

The day we were being slaughtered 52-0 by Alabama in 2012 I saw people walking around the stadium wearing t-shirts that said "Integrity - It Goes A LONG Way".  There is no way those shirts were allowed to be made and worn without the consent of Jeff Long.

I knew the day I watched and listened as he unnecessarily aired every bit of Petrino's dirty laundry at the media event announcing his firing that Long was a self serving little ***** who cared more about his own imagine and protection than anything else, but the incredibly arrogant t-shirts really drove it home.  Here we were with the football program in shambles and that little **** couldn't resist promoting himself.

He's a fraud and I will celebrate the day that he is no longer associated with the Razorbacks.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Farmer Hogget on November 09, 2017, 10:42:49 pm
I seem to remember when we hired John L Smith that Phil Fulmer had volunteered to come and help out for a short contract.  At the time the idea gave me the dry heaves, but in hindsight...

Yes.  A "fact" invented by someone on a message board.  In reality, this never happened but, it fits the narrative of Jeff Long haters so it must be true.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: ShadowHawg on November 09, 2017, 10:42:57 pm



Essentially, everybody who ever coached or played under coach Broyles. Count me in.

They are the geniuses who first gave us Houston Nutt and then fought with the fans to keep him here. They gave Nutt a ďtwo year passĒ to have losing seasons.

Count me out.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Farmer Hogget on November 09, 2017, 10:45:55 pm
The day we were being slaughtered 52-0 by Alabama in 2012 I saw people walking around the stadium wearing t-shirts that said "Integrity - It Goes A LONG Way".  There is no way those shirts were allowed to be made and worn without the consent of Jeff Long.

I knew the day I watched and listened as he unnecessarily aired every bit of Petrino's dirty laundry at the media event announcing his firing that Long was a self serving little ***** who cared more about his own imagine and protection than anything else, but the incredibly arrogant t-shirts really drove it home.  Here we were with the football program in shambles and that little **** couldn't resist promoting himself.

He's a fraud and I will celebrate the day that he is no longer associated with the Razorbacks.

The football program, at that point, was in shambles because of Bobby Petrino.  And, no, unless he has trademarked his name, they could use it in a t-shirt without his permission.  You hate Jeff Long for firing Bobby Petrino so your view of things is twisted because of that one fact. 
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Ched "UglyUncle" Carpenter on November 09, 2017, 10:47:07 pm
Geeze. And what if someone had a completely different interaction with him?  Ched, there are Hogville people that can't stand you and have challenged your integrity and character. Do I just disbelieve everthing that I've seen with my own eyes because if something you say!  Or Kenny?  It's amazing how any one person thinks they have it figured out. This is what sickens me is that any one can be so sure about stuff like this.  It's a shame we treat each other like this. All the definitions for carpetbagger and Yankee are just people redefining what they know to be true so they can say horrible things about someone. I don't care if they fire Long or not, but the unwholesome talk that comes out here is too much.

Nope.  You are wrong.  Everybody LOVES me. :)
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: BadHog on November 09, 2017, 10:48:19 pm
I may get run off of this board for this, but I have asked in a few different threads and haven't gotten a good answer.  I am still not clear on why we are so hot to fire Jeff Long.  What is it exactly that he is to have done that we want him fired for?  From what I can tell other than the football hire which hasn't worked out, he has done a pretty decent job.  Is there some legitimate reason for wanting him gone this bad that I am missing? I'm not trolling, I just legitimately don't get the seething hatred for Jeff Long. I was talking to some folks at work today and they were saying if it was one or the other they'd rather fire Jeff Long and keep Bielema? I asked why and the only answer I got was that he was arrogant and (actual quote) " had ruined the university and run it directly into the ground"

To save some time I already know he fired Bobby Petrino.  I know about the Pepsi contract. I know how bad the football program is right now.  I know that we are in the middle of an expensive stadium upgrade. I know about the Jimmy Dykes hire. I know Jeff Long is not from Arkansas, or even the south (gasp)  Are these the reasons that people are filled with righteous hate for Long or is there something else that I am unaware of or have misunderstood, because I am looking at those things and I don't get the "Jeff long has to go now" stance.  Also to save time, I don't work for Jeff Long, I don't work for the University, i'm just a regular fan who feel like I have somehow gone nuts because everyone is so sure of something and I don't get it at all.

You seriously just spewed off five or six big mistakes Jeff has made which is only the tip of the iceberg and you ask "why" people want him gone?? If you had given well into the six digits to support the athletic department - trust me - that would be enough. But there are a "million" (yes pun intended) reasons beyond the obvious of why he is not the best person to be leading our athletic department. He fired a GREAT coach not because the coach lied to him, as he would have everyone believe because he knew the entire story from the minute it happened, AND he has kept an inept coach in business and covered for that coaches drunk ass by hiring a personal driver and enabling this pathetic behavior. Long has way overextended his authority in athletic department business transactions, defended this inept coach's behavior to the point that we have lost great assistant coaches who refused to put up with this travesty, and many other grievances that I have only heard third hand but definitely have smoke to them. He has put many people in some really uncomfortable situations and now it is coming back to haunt him. Jeff does not belong in the AD position. That's all.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: East Clintwood on November 09, 2017, 10:49:49 pm
What a festering turd of a post!

FACT:  The Jeff Long haters hate him because he fired Bobby Petrino.  That is all you need to know.  Anything good that has happened has been because of anyone else and anything bad that's happened has been because the evil AD  came to Arkansas with the sole purpose of destroying Razorback athletics since that is the job of an Athletics Director.  These Jeff Long haters also wear tin foil hats.


Thank you for your input Mrs Long.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Ched "UglyUncle" Carpenter on November 09, 2017, 10:51:23 pm
They are the geniuses who first gave us Houston Nutt and then fought with the fans to keep him here. They gave Nutt a ďtwo year passĒ to have losing seasons.

Count me out.

I would like to point out that Frank wanted Tommy Tubberville.  He was overruled by White, who went with a committee that hired HdN.  So, White...who hired Long is the one that is responsible for Nutt. 

Now, HdN did work his way in to the GOBN but not as deeply as you might think.  There were many that were tired of HdN at the end of the story.  HdN was a master salesman.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: jkstock04 on November 09, 2017, 10:52:34 pm
The football program, at that point, was in shambles because of Bobby Petrino.  And, no, unless he has trademarked his name, they could use it in a t-shirt without his permission.  You hate Jeff Long for firing Bobby Petrino so your view of things is twisted because of that one fact. 
If Petrino was such a d-bag of a coach that was going to set fire to the program...your esteemed hero of an AD never should've hired him in the first place.

Can't have it both ways here. But if you wanna look at it that way, that was a disaster, ok...Petrino was Longs hire. Ultimately his fault.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: EastexHawg on November 09, 2017, 10:52:35 pm
The football program, at that point, was in shambles because of Bobby Petrino.  And, no, unless he has trademarked his name, they could use it in a t-shirt without his permission.  You hate Jeff Long for firing Bobby Petrino so your view of things is twisted because of that one fact. 

Wrong.  A Hogville board member/poster had a t-shirt that he made up and was wearing while tailgating seized and was threatened with having his season tickets revoked for producing unauthorized merchandise.  There is absolutely no way t-shirts were produced, distributed, and worn all around the campus and stadium without the consent of the athletic department.  They weren't secret and they weren't produced on the black market.  Long knew about them and allowed them.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Ched "UglyUncle" Carpenter on November 09, 2017, 10:55:35 pm
The football program, at that point, was in shambles because of Bobby Petrino.  And, no, unless he has trademarked his name, they could use it in a t-shirt without his permission.  You hate Jeff Long for firing Bobby Petrino so your view of things is twisted because of that one fact. 

Actually you can't.  His name or image is trademarked as an employee of the University.  There were shirts made with Houston Nutt's name on it that the University threatened the makers because it was trademarked under the University.  There was a shirt that was made that just had the image of Nutt and the University again threatened the maker with trademark infringement because HdN's image was on the shirt and it belonged to the University.

So, technically they did need his permission.  The shirts actually appeared right after the BP firing.  Long might have chosen to not threaten the makers of it...or they got his permission. 
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: ShadowHawg on November 09, 2017, 10:59:11 pm
Is the word long trademarked by the university?

If not, unless the shirt had a Razorback or something else belonging to the school then permission wasnít required.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Ched "UglyUncle" Carpenter on November 09, 2017, 11:03:56 pm
Is the word long trademarked by the university?

If not, unless the shirt had a Razorback or something else belonging to the school then permission wasnít required.

The word/name "LONG" was highlighted.  It would have been an interesting court case that probably would have gone the way of the University.  It was evident what the intent was.

The minor league hockey team they tried to start in Little Rock called the Razor-blades was shot down by the University for being too close to their mascot name.  So...there is that.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Three and Snout on November 09, 2017, 11:05:02 pm
Jesus guys, there is always the googles...

https://www.arktimes.com/ArkansasBlog/archives/2012/04/17/jeff-longs-firing-of-petrino-brings-125-million-donation

Read at the very bottom.  Unless John Diamond was in on the tshirt conspiracy...
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Cinco de Hogo on November 09, 2017, 11:09:31 pm
An AD that claims ďwe are not a win at all cost programĒ should immediately be fired! Itís his job to care about winning!

This is the only answer you need(without all the head banging)coupled with the fact we went and became a "can't win at any cost program. 

Does the OP need enlightened as to the fact that AD's do get fired for various reasons.   It's not a lifetime gig.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: EastexHawg on November 09, 2017, 11:10:27 pm
Jesus guys, there is always the googles...

https://www.arktimes.com/ArkansasBlog/archives/2012/04/17/jeff-longs-firing-of-petrino-brings-125-million-donation

Read at the very bottom.  Unless John Diamond was in on the tshirt conspiracy...

Whoot there it is...Razorback logo and all.  Some of us have LONG memories.

Next.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: ShadowHawg on November 09, 2017, 11:19:55 pm
The word/name "LONG" was highlighted.  It would have been an interesting court case that probably would have gone the way of the University.  It was evident what the intent was.

The minor league hockey team they tried to start in Little Rock called the Razor-blades was shot down by the University for being too close to their mascot name.  So...there is that.

Highlighted, underlined, quotations, all caps it doesnít change that Long is also a word.

Unless the university has trademarked the word long, simply using the word in any context is free for the taking.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: texas tush hog on November 09, 2017, 11:22:31 pm
Jesus guys, there is always the googles...

https://www.arktimes.com/ArkansasBlog/archives/2012/04/17/jeff-longs-firing-of-petrino-brings-125-million-donation

Read at the very bottom.  Unless John Diamond was in on the tshirt conspiracy...



Correct that to read $1.25 million. Huge difference.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: EastexHawg on November 09, 2017, 11:23:33 pm
Highlighted, underlined, quotations, all caps it doesnít change that Long is also a word.

Unless the university has trademarked the word long, simply using the word in any context is free for the taking.

Are you really this dense?  Click on the link three posts above yours.  See that Razorback logo on the shirt shown in the article, right above "Integrity Goes A LONG Way"?  Is that running Hog trademarked?

Just quit while you are behind.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: ShadowHawg on November 09, 2017, 11:29:19 pm
Are you really this dense?  Click on the link three posts above yours.  See that Razorback logo on the shirt shown in the article, right above "Integrity Goes A LONG Way"?  Is that running Hog trademarked?

Just quit while you are behind.

Read my original post. I cover that using the logo would require permission.  But using the word Long was not a trademark violation, which was the assertion of previous posters.

They were claiming Long had to provide permission for his name to have been used. Turns out it was bs, like many of your posts.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: EastexHawg on November 09, 2017, 11:35:10 pm
Read my original post. I cover that using the logo would require permission.  But using the word Long was not a trademark violation, which was the assertion of previous posters.

They were claiming Long had to provide permission for his name to have been used. Turns out it was bs, like many of your posts.

You don't get to create imaginary scenarios so you can pretend you were right.  The t-shirts have a Razorback logo on them, meaning they were authorized by Look At Me, I'm The Man Jeff.  Period.  End of story.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Ched "UglyUncle" Carpenter on November 09, 2017, 11:36:43 pm
Read my original post. I cover that using the logo would require permission.  But using the word Long was not a trademark violation, which was the assertion of previous posters.

They were claiming Long had to provide permission for his name to have been used. Turns out it was bs, like many of your posts.


I'm sorry.  I only saw YOU mention Long's name in the post I responded to.  I gave you a case of where a name was used "Razor" that was shot down by the University. 

If you weren't the one that started the whole assertion that it was just about the name, then I apologize. It is hard to say others were just talking about the name, when you are the one that first brought it up.  Again, if I missed something I apologize.

Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: PorkRinds on November 09, 2017, 11:39:15 pm
Unless you have been caught up in the Jeff Long machine...

Unless you have personally dealt with his arrogance...

Unless you have seen how much he truly lacks integrity...

Then you just don't know the reason why so many will be glad to see him gone.

Spill the beans. Tell us what happened. What did he do to you? What has shown his lack of integrity to you personally? What exactly is the Jeff Long machine?
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Ched "UglyUncle" Carpenter on November 10, 2017, 12:06:30 am
Spill the beans. Tell us what happened. What did he do to you? What has shown his lack of integrity to you personally? What exactly is the Jeff Long machine?

Man, I've posted so much about my experiences with Jeff Long on here...

Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Paulsooie on November 10, 2017, 12:08:13 am
Yes.  A "fact" invented by someone on a message board.  In reality, this never happened but, it fits the narrative of Jeff Long haters so it must be true.

Actually I seem to remember Phil mentioning it during a game he was commentating on.  But hey I donít hate Long, really donít have an opinion on him one way or the other. Actually donít really think about him
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: PorkRinds on November 10, 2017, 12:16:12 am
Man, I've posted so much about my experiences with Jeff Long on here...

Just a few specifics. I havenít read much of it I guess.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Paulsooie on November 10, 2017, 12:18:51 am
https://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-football/2012/4/18/2957560/phil-fulmer-arkansas-rumors

It was a few years ago so yeah, I was a bit fuzzy lol
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: moses_007 on November 10, 2017, 12:25:23 am
This front page article in today's Democrat-Gazette is enough proof Jeff Long is in trouble.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Pork Twain on November 10, 2017, 12:26:48 am
There is no logic behind it.  All they have is one bad contract that looked good at the beginning and the fact that he is not from Arkansas.  After listening to people on here for so many years, I am thankful he is from outside the state.  Way too many on here came from relations between cousins.  Ironically, the same guys complaining the loudest now, were complaining about JFB, the MSM and the GOBN that ran things back in the day.  The only thing that is consistent here is the cry for someone to lose their job.

I am not sure of this magical AD is out there with Arkansas roots and never makes a bad hire exists, but if you have a problem with what Long has done, you would likely be unhappy with most ADs out there.  If that was the case, JFB was a failure based on Kines, Crowe, Ford, HDN, Heath, and Pel.  Everyone is allowed to make a hiring mistake here and there.  Look no further than aTm (Franchione, Sherman & Sumlin), LSU (Orgeron), Florida (Muschamp & Durkin) and Tennessee (Kiffin, Dooley & Jones).  We are far from alone here.  As for the CBP disaster, it was awful and I am sure Long wishes it would have never have happened and he would have never been forced to make the choices he did, but choices I seriously doubt he made without input from many.  I figure the toughest decision for those most critical of him is whether to have grits or oatmeal for breakfast.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: CareBear on November 10, 2017, 12:33:56 am
Let me tell you something else:  These Jeff Long Minion Trolls KNOW that their boss is a fraud.  They are paid propagandists, and they have done their job well, for years.

Word to the wise.
I agree. My goodness gracious this guy is greasy. I despise fake smiles & fake people. We need both of them gone asap. Bert has to go after this year or that stadium will be a sad, sad sight to see. WTH could Bert possibly come up with during the offseason to give the fans hope? 5yr sample. Itís not coming. It is uncommon...to lose so much! Heís real bad at coaching. Like comically bad!
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: LZH on November 10, 2017, 12:35:09 am
Fwiw, I was told by a family member tonite that JL and BB are both in hot water. I don't necessarily believe it, especially on Long's part, but that is what I was told and he would have heard it from somebody pretty close to the situation.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: PharmacistHog on November 10, 2017, 03:17:00 am
Naahhh. That's probably happened before...but most of these regulars that chest thump to this Jeff Long limp wristed culture are progressive liberals that love to see the program burn to the ground in the name of progressiveness.

More specifically, in this case winning doesn't matter, it's "secondary"...we do things "the right way" and have pity on programs like Alabama who take winning so seriously. The "student athlete" and academia are all that is important and easily trump whatever the scoreboard says on Saturdays. People that want to see the program win a lot of games are simple half-wits.

Thats one of the most idiotic posts Iíve ever read. You canít seriously believe any of that BS. If you do you should seek professional help.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: BoynamedWooPigSooie on November 10, 2017, 03:42:27 am
Uh-Oh. Jeff Long's incredulous integrity that he's propped himself up onto a shiny tower is about to take big hit.  Something that gets nearly any CEO of a Fortune 500 company fired is coming out.

We'll see if any media hacks have the guts to report it.  Def. interested to see who in the media has integrity themselves.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: hog911 on November 10, 2017, 05:42:15 am
When's the last time you walked the campus?
Haven't you seen the new facilites that were needed to keep up with the SEC?

JL is well respected in the NCAA world, but the GOBN doesn't want to hear the truth. They're pissed because they can't drink Coke and meddle in the AD.

Yup, fire his A$$ and burn this program down again.

That'll fix it.


Please stop generalizing and start naming names of his admirers! Also, besides accepting failure, what other accomplishment couldnít have been done by a different AD? I can tell you itís not hard to get big bank donations for the renovations and new facilities for our sports programs and yes, I do know what Iím talking about!  He has done nothing more that self promote and convince simple minded people that heís doing a great job!
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Inhogswetrust on November 10, 2017, 06:32:52 am
Wrong.  A Hogville board member/poster had a t-shirt that he made up and was wearing while tailgating seized and was threatened with having his season tickets revoked for producing unauthorized merchandise.  There is absolutely no way t-shirts were produced, distributed, and worn all around the campus and stadium without the consent of the athletic department.  They weren't secret and they weren't produced on the black market.  Long knew about them and allowed them.

Don't forget about the guy that was told he couldn't ride his brand of utility golf cart outside the stadium one time.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Inhogswetrust on November 10, 2017, 06:34:48 am
Uh-Oh. Jeff Long's incredulous integrity that he's propped himself up onto a shiny tower is about to take big hit.  Something that gets nearly any CEO of a Fortune 500 company fired is coming out.

We'll see if any media hacks have the guts to report it.  Def. interested to see who in the media has integrity themselves.

Actually CEO's a lot of times DO get use of the company plane for personal stuff. Sometimes even after they leave the company.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Ex-Trumpet on November 10, 2017, 07:25:01 am
What a festering turd of a post!

FACT:  The Jeff Long haters hate him because he fired Bobby Petrino.  That is all you need to know.  Anything good that has happened has been because of anyone else and anything bad that's happened has been because the evil AD  came to Arkansas with the sole purpose of destroying Razorback athletics since that is the job of an Athletics Director.  These Jeff Long haters also wear tin foil hats.

Doosh post, as you don't know the difference between fact and opinion.

I, for one, thought Petrino's firing was the right thing to do.  There was too much baggage with all that went down.

Jeff Long needs to be fired.  See?  your "fact" was just proven to be yet another big pile of steaming horseshart on Hogville.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Three and Snout on November 10, 2017, 07:44:29 am
Don't forget about the guy that was told he couldn't ride his brand of utility golf cart outside the stadium one time.

I thought that involved Shibest and was during Nutt's tenure.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Kevin on November 10, 2017, 07:46:11 am
Why should anyone be able to talk to the AD any time they feel like it?

you think jerry jones can?
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: jkstock04 on November 10, 2017, 07:55:34 am
Thats one of the most idiotic posts Iíve ever read. You canít seriously believe any of that BS. If you do you should seek professional help.
Oh I believe it 100%. I pay attention to what is posted, who posts what..and that is my opinion. It is much more plausible than Jeff Long paying plants to go online and fight his fights.

I do appreciate the concern on the professional help though! Thanks.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Arkansas Traveler on November 10, 2017, 07:59:34 am
Fwiw, I was told by a family member tonite that JL and BB are both in hot water. I don't necessarily believe it, especially on Long's part, but that is what I was told and he would have heard it from somebody pretty close to the situation.

Your family member sounds like he knows what he is talking about.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: colbs on November 10, 2017, 08:07:33 am
There is no logic behind it.  All they have is one bad contract that looked good at the beginning and the fact that he is not from Arkansas.  After listening to people on here for so many years, I am thankful he is from outside the state.  Way too many on here came from relations between cousins.  Ironically, the same guys complaining the loudest now, were complaining about JFB, the MSM and the GOBN that ran things back in the day.  The only thing that is consistent here is the cry for someone to lose their job.

I am not sure of this magical AD is out there with Arkansas roots and never makes a bad hire exists, but if you have a problem with what Long has done, you would likely be unhappy with most ADs out there.  If that was the case, JFB was a failure based on Kines, Crowe, Ford, HDN, Heath, and Pel.  Everyone is allowed to make a hiring mistake here and there.  Look no further than aTm (Franchione, Sherman & Sumlin), LSU (Orgeron), Florida (Muschamp & Durkin) and Tennessee (Kiffin, Dooley & Jones).  We are far from alone here.  As for the CBP disaster, it was awful and I am sure Long wishes it would have never have happened and he would have never been forced to make the choices he did, but choices I seriously doubt he made without input from many.  I figure the toughest decision for those most critical of him is whether to have grits or oatmeal for breakfast.
Good Post
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: hawgon on November 10, 2017, 08:08:59 am
It would be easier to take and give credit for whatever good Jeff Long may have done if there wasnít a virtual full court propaganda press on everything from all athletic department sources and on the message boards.

Jeff Long isnít some sort of godlike AD.  He might be adequate to good, but business wise, he isnít doing anything that most other SEC ADs arenít doing.  Pretty much everyone in the conference makes a lot of money and has nice facilities.  No need to get into the back and forth on his hires.  I will say this though, every other AD in the conference with the exception of Kentucky is judged by the football program almost exclusively.

But anyway, it seems that whenever there is the slightest criticism of him, posters come out of the woodwork to defend him.  And mostly, they do it in a very condescending and immature way. 
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: oldhog63 on November 10, 2017, 08:32:05 am
Actually CEO's a lot of times DO get use of the company plane for personal stuff. Sometimes even after they leave the company.
But they are supposed to pay for that use at the rate as if they were flying commercial.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: porkrindjimmy on November 10, 2017, 08:33:39 am
But they were football coaches?

Petrino is...the other two, not so much.

Six one way, half a dozen of the other.

And it looks like this point is moot. Bad hires pales in comparison to being a straight up white collar crook.

PRJ
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: EastexHawg on November 10, 2017, 08:43:08 am
Petrino is...the other two, not so much.

Six one way, half a dozen of the other.

And it looks like this point is moot. Bad hires pales in comparison to being a straight up white collar crook.

PRJ

If it happens this would be even better than Long being fired because he wouldn't know a real football coach if he tripped over him.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Hogwild on November 10, 2017, 08:51:26 am
I may get run off of this board for this, but I have asked in a few different threads and haven't gotten a good answer.  I am still not clear on why we are so hot to fire Jeff Long.  What is it exactly that he is to have done that we want him fired for? 

In Long's ten years at the helm:

-We do not have a winning record in conference play, in both football and basketball.
-The athletic department is dead last in the conference in academics.
-He gave a coach with 2-14 conference record a contract with a $15.5 million buyout.


Those are 3 of the reason I believe we would be better off with someone else running the show.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: razorbackfaninar on November 10, 2017, 08:58:09 am
He has made three bad hires in the most important sport heís over.

Petrino won games but he was an ethical risk when he was hired and he wrecked the program along with his bike. It was an embarrassment for the University.

JL Smith is extremely obvious. Not sure who he could have got instead but no one could have been worse.

Bielema isnít embarrassing the University off the field but he is on the field.

Heís really 0-3 in hiring football coaches. Plus then firing Petrino, add on Mike Anderson being slow to turn around basketball, Dykes, and adding 3k seats for $160mm.

Heís brought in money but how much of that was SECN money? 

Plus he used firing Petrino to vault himself into the limelight, when firing Petrino angered 50% of the fan base.

Heís below average at best.

OK I'll give you my opinion of these in order  I thought Both Petrino and Bielema were good Hires at the time.  Petrino is an above average coach and had some success here, it didn't end well.  John L Smith was bad but anyone would have been bad. I cant remember the last time an interim coach did anything of note, someone else may but I think anyone at that point was going to be a disaster.  Bielema in my opinion was a great hire at the time.  It didn't  pan out.  I think Mike Anderson was a great hire as well.  He started slower than we would have liked but he seems to be going the right way now, so i don't get that issue either. I am of the opinion that firing Petrino was the right move. I thought at the time and I still think that Long handled it about as well as anyone and the university came out of what could have ben a reall mess looking fairly decent  I follow Razorback sports as much as anyone I don't recall a lot of the grandstanding that others seem to from Long at this time, but perhaps I missed it. He has doubled contributions to 26 million and ticket sales are up 10 million, these are aside from the SEC TV mone, any way those are my opinions on it
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: The NewEra on November 10, 2017, 09:19:59 am
OK I'll give you my opinion of these in order  I thought Both Petrino and Bielema were good Hires at the time.  Petrino is an above average coach and had some success here, it didn't end well.  John L Smith was bad but anyone would have been bad. I cant remember the last time an interim coach did anything of note, someone else may but I think anyone at that point was going to be a disaster.  Bielema in my opinion was a great hire at the time.  It didn't  pan out.  I think Mike Anderson was a great hire as well.  He started slower than we would have liked but he seems to be going the right way now, so i don't get that issue either. I am of the opinion that firing Petrino was the right move. I thought at the time and I still think that Long handled it about as well as anyone and the university came out of what could have ben a reall mess looking fairly decent  I follow Razorback sports as much as anyone I don't recall a lot of the grandstanding that others seem to from Long at this time, but perhaps I missed it. He has doubled contributions to 26 million and ticket sales are up 10 million, these are aside from the SEC TV mone, any way those are my opinions on it

I'm a program outsider.  I see most of the above the same way you do.  Here are a few exceptions though.  On the John L. Smith situation I think Jeff failed to do his homework on that and we spent an entire year being embarrassed by Smith when Long could have muzzled him or relieved him.  Jeff should have looked for someone like a Ken Hatfield or such to manage the program for one year until a hire was made.  Another issue is the hiring of Jimmy Dykes.  He was not qualified and he was allowed to bring negative attention to the program with the National Anthem protest and subsequently allowing a player to transfer to a rival school in our division.  Jeff initially supported that protest and later after the fallout decided it was not the right side to be on.

There are others on this board that are much closer to the program than me, who I trust have the best interest of the program as a whole in mind such as Lanny who despise Long for a number of reasons.  From what I've read by those I trust, Long has a heavy handed approach and he doesn't listen to the fan base.  Nor does he place the emphasis on winning football games that Razorback fans across the state do.  It would be great to see a compiled list of things that many insiders do know about Long's interactions and dealings that make them so turned off on him.  You just get bits and pieces of information here and there.  So, I'm still sitting on the fence about Long, but if I'm leaning any direction it's to the side of those who know the inside of the program better than me and want him removed.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: razorbackfaninar on November 10, 2017, 09:23:22 am
I hear this. A lot. From elitists who think they sit above the great unwashed masses.  It is about anger and it is about accountability.  Everyone is angry, both that Long has sat silent so long while the Razorbacks have endured the worst seasons in recent history and that no corrective action has been taken.I don't know what Jeff Long could say publicly at this point that is going to make me or any one else feel better short of firing the coach, and I'm of the opinion that it's is generally not a good idea to fire a coach mid season.  I don't want an AD whether it is log or anyone else who is constantly spouting off in the media, and everyone already complains that Jeff Long tries too hard to get the limelight for himself

Everyone should be angry. This team has underachieved and yet the coach has been paid a premium salary given to accomplished--and successful--coaches. It is thrown around that 4 to 5 million a year is a common salary "at all P5 schools" and this is not the case. Maybe the top 10 P5 schools but not all of them by any stretch of the imagination.He's paid what his contract states which was approved by the trustees, and it's 8th in the conference, football coaches contracts aren't adjusted based on wins and losses, they may get bonuses

So Jeff Long is under fire for allowing Bielema to continue to flounder, to have the worst-coached teams in Razorback history and to lose by the widest margins, with the longest conference losing record in school history,I would say in 15 and up till the last 2 games of last year Long had every indication that Bielema was going in the right diretion, I mean should he have fired him after losing the last two games last year in the way that he did?  This season has been disastrous no dooubt but since we don't knw oyet if Log is going to fire Bielema at the end of the season I don't know if this comment is fair  among other infractions.What other infractions? All the while, Bielema is collecting a salary paid to premium coaches while coaching a program that is not a top 10, top 15, top 25, top 50, top 75, or even top 100 team in the NCAA. The Razorbacks are one of the worst 25 teams in the entire NCAA, whether you rank it by FBS or division I or whatever.

Jeff Long should be fired for presiding over a football program that, 5 years into Bielema's regime, is the worst ranked team, worst coached team, worst playing team, and worst chance to improve team under Beliema's leadership. Jeff Long has tied his own career to his integrity hire and it has backfired on him.

Jeff Long is paid to run a business not be a friend. He had failed at running the most visible portion of that business.i think by just about any metric you want to use that the business side of the U of A athletics is doing very well Lots of CEOs get fired for what it appears they have done rather than for what they have actually accomplished and he should be too. If you can't see that, you obviously don't read enough Wall Street Journal. It's as much about what he appeared to do, or not do, than what he did.

So if I gather what you are saying you think Jeff Long should be fired because the football team is under performing
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: porkrindjimmy on November 10, 2017, 09:28:23 am
So if I gather what you are saying you think Jeff Long should be fired because the football team is under performing

Yes.... the football program is the cash cow of the department. Not women's soccer or gender neutral fencing. It's football. Last 3 hires have been failures.

Plus he is a crook.

PRJ
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: razorbackfaninar on November 10, 2017, 09:34:34 am
I'm a program outsider.  I see most of the above the same way you do.  Here are a few exceptions though.  On the John L. Smith situation I think Jeff failed to do his homework on that and we spent an entire year being embarrassed by Smith when Long could have muzzled him or relieved him.  Jeff should have looked for someone like a Ken Hatfield or such to manage the program for one year until a hire was made.We can agree to disagree on that one.  I'm with you in that the hire was bad but i think any hire would have been bad, I won't lie now and say I didn't convince myself at the time tha tjohn L. smith could get it done.  I looked at all the positives like how the players loved him, he had been a semi successful D-1 coach, he knew Petrino's system It was a disaster, but the situation was untenable  Another issue is the hiring of Jimmy Dykes.  He was not qualified and he was allowed to bring negative attention to the program with the National Anthem protest and subsequently allowing a player to transfer to a rival school in our division.I thought the Jimmy Dykes hire was a publicity stunt, but again I am not going to pretend like I know anything about the Women's basketball program.  I didn't mind then if they knelt and I wouldn't care now one way or the other, It just doesn't bother me.  Maybe Jeff Long handled that badly I'd have to take your word as I am not as familiar with that situation, but yes the Dykes hire seemed Ill advised.   Jeff initially supported that protest and later after the fallout decided it was not the right side to be on.

There are others on this board that are much closer to the program than me, who I trust have the best interest of the program as a whole in mind such as Lanny who despise Long for a number of reasons.  From what I've read by those I trust, Long has a heavy handed approach and he doesn't listen to the fan base. I do not want in any way an AD that is heavily influenced by our fan base  Nor does he place the emphasis on winning football games that Razorback fans across the state do I don't know what this means.  People keep saying it, but when you say it what do you want him to do differently in this regard, I mean what should he do to show that he cares about winning football games as much as people across the state (not being smart I am really asking).  It would be great to see a compiled list of things that many insiders do know about Long's interactions and dealings that make them so turned off on him.  You just get bits and pieces of information here and there.  So, I'm still sitting on the fence about Long, but if I'm leaning any direction it's to the side of those who know the inside of the program better than me and want him removeddo you mean people that work inside the department?.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: razorbackfaninar on November 10, 2017, 09:35:36 am
Yes.... the football program is the cash cow of the department. Not women's soccer or gender neutral fencing. It's football. Last 3 hires have been failures.

Plus he is a crook.

PRJ

The department is making more money than ever in it's history though.  How is he a crook? (again I am not being smart I am legitimately asking)
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: old_school_hawg on November 10, 2017, 09:35:49 am
Anger, there's too much anger that we've lost football games.  Firing the coach won't release enough anger so the unwashed masses want to fire the athletic director too. 

Objectively he's done a fair job and in a sane world his job would only be threatened if he refused to fire Bielema after this season but we don't live in that world. 

There's also a neo-confederate bias that doesn't want an AD who was born in a non slave state


You watch too much mainstream media news. Unlatch from the Kool-Aid teat from which you suckle and join the rest of us in the real world. You're just making stuff up now and most of this board is undoubtedly embarrassed for you.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: porkrindjimmy on November 10, 2017, 09:37:02 am
The department is making more money than ever in it's history though.  How is he a crook? (again I am not being smart I am legitimately asking)

It will all be coming out soon. And I am not being smart, just saying it will all be coming out.

Jeff only has ethics when it benefits Jeffy.

PRJ
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: island hog on November 10, 2017, 09:38:54 am
Two of the last three coach choices were lauded nationally and approved by most on here and in the state... Why do you call Long a crook? 
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: ricepig on November 10, 2017, 09:40:15 am
Yes.... the football program is the cash cow of the department. Not women's soccer or gender neutral fencing. It's football. Last 3 hires have been failures.

Plus he is a crook.

PRJ

Besides stealing our football team, what else has he stolen, lol???
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: porkrindjimmy on November 10, 2017, 09:43:24 am
Besides stealing our football team, what else has he stolen, lol???

It will come out Rice...I am sure you know already. You would have to.

PRJ
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: razorbackfaninar on November 10, 2017, 09:44:40 am
The guy came here, pretending to be a, "Professional Athletic Director," as if that is something that even exists, stood on a podium pretending to cry, so as to promote himself while firing a coach, lied about the reasons to fire that coach so that he could pretend to have more integrity than the average Joe, then sold "Long on Integrity" T-Shirts!   For crying out loud, are you BLIND?

If you don't think that the term, "Carpetbagger" fits Jeff Long, then you don't know what a carpetbagger IS.   A carpetbagger is a fraud, above all else.  Long isn't a carpetbagger because he came from Pittsburgh.  He's a carpetbagger because he is a FRAUD.  We were just too stupid to ask, "What is in your bottle of snake oil?"   Ask yourself:  What makes Jeff Long qualified to be an AD?   Answer:  NOTHING.  Nothing at all, other than his ridiculous claim to be a 'professional AD.'   That is why his results are so ... horrific.  If the administrators of the University of Arkansas had any sense at all, they would beg the FBI to see if they could find out how much of their money that dude has funneled to banks in the Caribbean.    LESSON:   When someone starts crowing about how much integrity he has, its a RED FLAG telling you to DUCK.I don't know about him selling the shirts I'd have to look into that. I think there is such a thing as a professional Athletic Director and I haven't ever heard Jeff Long say HE has integrity, maybe i missed i have mostly heard him say it about the University of Arkansas

 
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: razorbackfaninar on November 10, 2017, 09:48:07 am
It will come out Rice...I am sure you know already. You would have to.

PRJ

So seriously that's the reason I am asking, I'm a fan and i care about the program as much as anyone. If Jeff Long has "stolen" something then just say what it is supposed to have been.  This isn't a court of law and I dare say PorkrindJimmy isn't your given name so what is the danger? if you know something to just say so.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: woodhog14 on November 10, 2017, 09:48:10 am
The department is making more money than ever in it's history though.  How is he a crook? (again I am not being smart I am legitimately asking)
You do know that the TV contracts are why the atheltic department is making more money ever in it's history right? Jeff Long had ZERO, NOTHING, NADA to do with that.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: porkrindjimmy on November 10, 2017, 09:50:56 am
So seriously that's the reason I am asking, I'm a fan and i care about the program as much as anyone. If Jeff Long has "stolen" something then just say what it is supposed to have been.  This isn't a court of law and I dare say PorkrindJimmy isn't your given name so what is the danger? if you know something to just say so.

Contracts, policies, jets....etc.

There is a reason some people have been calling for an audit.

It will come out.

PRJ
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Count Hogula on November 10, 2017, 09:52:03 am

Besides stealing our football team, what else has he stolen, lol???

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Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: ricepig on November 10, 2017, 09:53:25 am
It will come out Rice...I am sure you know already. You would have to.

PRJ

Nope, I'm sorry I don't. I guess I'll read about it in the funny papers.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: porkrindjimmy on November 10, 2017, 09:54:35 am
Nope, I'm sorry I don't. I guess I'll read about it in the funny papers.

No...you'll be reading it legitimately soon enough.

PRJ
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: ricepig on November 10, 2017, 09:55:03 am
Contracts, policies, jets....etc.

There is a reason some people have been calling for an audit.

It will come out.

PRJ

We have a jet missing?
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: thebignasty on November 10, 2017, 09:56:35 am
It would be easier to take and give credit for whatever good Jeff Long may have done if there wasnít a virtual full court propaganda press on everything from all athletic department sources and on the message boards.

Jeff Long isnít some sort of godlike AD.  He might be adequate to good, but business wise, he isnít doing anything that most other SEC ADs arenít doing.  Pretty much everyone in the conference makes a lot of money and has nice facilities.  No need to get into the back and forth on his hires.  I will say this though, every other AD in the conference with the exception of Kentucky is judged by the football program almost exclusively.

But anyway, it seems that whenever there is the slightest criticism of him, posters come out of the woodwork to defend him.  And mostly, they do it in a very condescending and immature way.

This is about the fairest assessment of Jeffie on here, based on public knowledge. I would argue that the nastiness runs pretty equally both ways, for some reason.



If some of the rumblings are true, then half the board is going to feel real validated by their guessing. I guess I hope they are, because if they aren't the divide will continue.


Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: thebignasty on November 10, 2017, 09:58:14 am
No...you'll be reading it legitimately soon enough.

PRJ

New rumor mongers pay attention.  This is how you spread a good rumor.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: porkrindjimmy on November 10, 2017, 09:58:45 am
We have a jet missing?

Did I say he straight up jacked transportation items?

You know what white collar crime is? You know what unethical business practices are...I don't have to explain it.

I didn't say the man snatched a Case combine off your property....

I just want to thank the rice farmers for all that you do.....

PRJ
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: island hog on November 10, 2017, 10:01:16 am

Question for KennyAD...If Petrino had been retained and subsequently decided to leave UA for another program, would you feel the same way about Long? 
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: COACHINTEXAS on November 10, 2017, 10:01:47 am
How about hiring a guy from northern Iowa to take over the Norte dame of track. Sorry ass hire imo!!!
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: razorbackfaninar on November 10, 2017, 10:02:43 am
Unless you have been caught up in the Jeff Long machine...

Unless you have personally dealt with his arrogance...

Unless you have seen how much he truly lacks integrity...

Then you just don't know the reason why so many will be glad to see him gone.

OK you are a person whose opinion I have respected over the years so this bears some weight.  People on here know and trust you so what I am asking and the reason that I started this thread is if this is the case why don't you just explain what you are talking about?  What is the point of saying he's arrogant and lacks integrity but not giving any example. Most of us are adults here, If you know something that isn't too personal to share can you just say "hey this thing happened in this way and because of it I think he lacks integrity". I am not even arguing that he doesn't lack integrity, but I am just  tired of people saying "he needs to go" but their reasons don't have any substance
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: thebignasty on November 10, 2017, 10:04:46 am
How about hiring a guy from northern Iowa to take over the Norte dame of track. Sorry ass hire imo!!!

Bucknam?

He's done a fine job.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Wildhog on November 10, 2017, 10:06:20 am
Bucknam?

He's done a fine job.

I'll never understand the people that gnash teeth over where a coach is from.  It's really stupid.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: ricepig on November 10, 2017, 10:06:51 am
Did I say he straight up jacked transportation items?

You know what white collar crime is? You know what unethical business practices are...I don't have to explain it.

I didn't say the man snatched a Case combine off your property....

I just want to thank the rice farmers for all that you do.....

PRJ

I'm 100% Green, lol. As to the other, there's an internal audit team in LR that scours the different campuses, if there are improprieties, they will be found. If the can't, then the Legislative Audit committee will, just ask Gearhart and the Academic Advancement team and UAF Foundation. I'm sorry, I don't trust speculation without facts posted on here. I don't trust some of the stuff I post at times, even if it comes from the horse's mouth, because I didn't see the paperwork, lol.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: The Hawg Marshal on November 10, 2017, 10:07:03 am
Your family member sounds like he knows what he is talking about.
You sound like you have come in to some information recently.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: ricepig on November 10, 2017, 10:07:26 am
I'll never understand the people that gnash teeth over where a coach is from.  It's really stupid.

May Delta have mercy on your soul....
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: BearsBisonsBoars on November 10, 2017, 10:17:05 am
Jeff Long is paid to run a business not be a friend. He had failed at running the most visible portion of that business. Lots of CEOs get fired for what it appears they have done rather than for what they have actually accomplished and he should be too. If you can't see that, you obviously don't read enough Wall Street Journal. It's as much about what he appeared to do, or not do, than what he did.

I still disagree with firing him (yet) but this is a really darn good point, imo. It's a little different in that our valuation isn't directly tied to perception because we don't have shareholders. But boosters and fans sort of fill that role.

In economic terms, brand loyalty here is extremely elastic. I'll never be a Bama fan, despite the disparate quality, for example. But there are substitute products like the NFL and deer season.

It would be an interesting paper, actually. Makes me wish I was back in school.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: East Clintwood on November 10, 2017, 10:18:00 am
Question for KennyAD...If Petrino had been retained and subsequently decided to leave UA for another program, would you feel the same way about Long? 


I'm not Kenny but I'll answer that for me anyway.

The way I feel about Jeff Long began long before Bobby Petrino was fired.  Now, his firing certainly reinforced how I felt as have many subsequent actions on his part but I already wanted him gone well before that.

Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: PorkRinds on November 10, 2017, 10:18:46 am

I'm not Kenny but I'll answer that for me anyway.

The way I feel about Jeff Long began long before Bobby Petrino was fired.  Now, his firing certainly reinforced how I felt as have many subsequent actions on his part but I already wanted him gone well before that.

What did he do before petrino was fired to ruffle your feathers?
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: The NewEra on November 10, 2017, 10:20:16 am
Contracts, policies, jets....etc.

There is a reason some people have been calling for an audit.

It will come out.

PRJ

You're making charges against someone but saying only an audit would prove you right or wrong.  Do you have any idea how low you've managed to bring any credibility you might have.  I'm not necessarily a Jeff Long fan, but this is just flat wrong in your approach.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Marshfieldhog on November 10, 2017, 10:27:58 am
Bucknam?

He's done a fine job.

Gerry Faust level of fine
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: East Clintwood on November 10, 2017, 10:54:06 am
What did he do before petrino was fired to ruffle your feathers?


I worked with a Pitt alum when Jeff was their AD.  I listened to him gripe for years about how Long was destroying their athletic department because he wasn't a sports guy, didn't understand them, and didn't share their beliefs about what university athletics should be. 

When White hired him, I looked into it a lot more closely and found that my coworkers feelings about Long seemed to be shared by a great many Pittsburgh fans.  When you combined Whites feelings about athletics and Longs feelings it was pretty clear that athletics at the UofA were in for a rough ride.

When he attempted to hire Bowden and did hire Grobe (other than signing the contract), the deal was sealed for me -- I wanted him gone.  And nothing that he's done since has changed my feelings at all.  He's not good for us and never has been.

Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: thebignasty on November 10, 2017, 11:04:22 am
Gerry Faust level of fine


No one will ever have a run like John McDonnell again. Bucknam is an 18 time SEC coach of the year in 10 years on the job- he's just following and honest to god legend.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Con el Cerdos on November 10, 2017, 11:14:56 am
Unless you have been caught up in the Jeff Long machine...

Unless you have personally dealt with his arrogance...

Unless you have seen how much he truly lacks integrity...

Then you just don't know the reason why so many will be glad to see him gone.

Thank  you!!!
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: GuvHog on November 10, 2017, 11:17:56 am


No one will ever have a run like John McDonnell again. Bucknam is an 18 time SEC coach of the year in 10 years on the job- he's just following and honest to god legend.

It's more than that. Being that John McDonnell was the legend that he was, the thing to have done would have been to simply promote his #2 man whom he mentored and recommended But Long ran him off and brought in Bucknam. A lot of people were not happy about Long ignoring McDonnell's recommendation. It was kind of like slapping the legend in the face.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: oldhog63 on November 10, 2017, 11:22:27 am
How about hiring a guy from northern Iowa to take over the Norte dame of track. Sorry ass hire imo!!!
I have always wondered about that hire, especially when the #2 guy wanted the job and ends up having to leave and goes to Florida and winning the championships he would have won here.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: porkrindjimmy on November 10, 2017, 11:28:00 am
You're making charges against someone but saying only an audit would prove you right or wrong.  Do you have any idea how low you've managed to bring any credibility you might have.  I'm not necessarily a Jeff Long fan, but this is just flat wrong in your approach.

No it isn't wrong.

You will see.

PRJ
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: razorbackfaninar on November 10, 2017, 11:30:20 am
You do know that the TV contracts are why the atheltic department is making more money ever in it's history right? Jeff Long had ZERO, NOTHING, NADA to do with that.

That isn't true.  If you think it's true you haven't looked at the numbers and I mean the numbers put out by the NCAA, Not ones the U of A puts out.  Long has increased revenue significantly in multiple areas apart from SEC TV money.  It's public information. Look I don't need to carry any water for Jeff Long.  I don't know the man. I have met him a sum total of 2 times in my entire life.  If he is doing as bad a job as everyone seems to think I want to understand what it is he has done, and I want to look at what the facts are, not what people assume, because in my opinion in a lot of areas he has improved the U of A Athletic Department, and I don't want to lose a good AD over rumors and innuendo. If he's as bad as people say then fine he needs to be replaced. I am just trying to understand if anyone has any facts one way or the other.   
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: oldhog63 on November 10, 2017, 11:37:17 am
That isn't true.  If you think it's true you haven't looked at the numbers and I mean the numbers put out by the NCAA, Not ones the U of A puts out.  Long has increased revenue significantly in multiple areas apart from SEC TV money.  It's public information. Look I don't need to carry any water for Jeff Long.  I don't know the man. I have met him a sum total of 2 times in my entire life.  If he is doing as bad a job as everyone seems to think I want to understand what it is he has done, and I want to look at what the facts are, not what people assume, because in my opinion in a lot of areas he has improved the U of A Athletic Department, and I don't want to lose a good AD over rumors and innuendo. If he's as bad as people say then fine he needs to be replaced. I am just trying to understand if anyone has any facts one way or the other.   
That argument seems to be one of the few, maybe only positive accomplishment. The counter to that is any competent AD could have done the same. So, you have to start looking at the whole body of work which has been discussed countless times.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: BearsBisonsBoars on November 10, 2017, 11:39:45 am
And, seems that other shady dealings are starting to come out.

Do you have reputable sources for this claim?
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: ricepig on November 10, 2017, 11:41:29 am
That argument seems to be one of the few, maybe only positive accomplishment. The counter to that is any competent AD could have done the same. So, you have to start looking at the whole body of work which has been discussed countless times. And, seems that other shady dealings are starting to come out.

They have? I haven't seen anything beyond a few posts on HV, again if there is any foundation to them, then fire him yesterday.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: tusked on November 10, 2017, 11:43:39 am


So what are you 'Longers' going to do when he leaves, are you guys going to leave with him?
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: oldhog63 on November 10, 2017, 11:44:42 am
They have? I haven't seen anything beyond a few posts on HV, again if there is any foundation to them, then fire him yesterday.
Yea, probably should have left that last sentence off.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Porkette on November 10, 2017, 11:49:37 am
About the "LONG on Integrity T-shirts," I remember hearing a mention of them at the time, and I just completely assumed they were meant to be sarcastic. I couldn't believe there was any possibility that they were anything except the product of disgruntled fans who didn't want Petrino gone, or there was any chance anyone wearing them was taking them seriously.

If the athletic department printed those things, or allowed them to be printed, then wow, I really don't know what to say.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Con el Cerdos on November 10, 2017, 11:50:40 am
Uh-Oh. Jeff Long's incredulous integrity that he's propped himself up onto a shiny tower is about to take big hit.  Something that gets nearly any CEO of a Fortune 500 company fired is coming out.

We'll see if any media hacks have the guts to report it.  Def. interested to see who in the media has integrity themselves.

Well, this will get the HV tongues A wagging.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: The Hawg Marshal on November 10, 2017, 11:54:29 am
When is this stuff supposed to come out?
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Hogwild on November 10, 2017, 11:55:13 am
I went home for lunch to let the dogs out, and my neighbor was outside waiting for me.  Although we aren't super close, we say hi and he knows I'm an Arkansas fan by the flag in front of my house.  Well he told me that a friend/former neighbor of his, Kevin White, was contacted to gage his interest in the our athletic directors job. His friend was the former AD at Tulane, Arizona, and worked with Notre Dame and Duke.  I was so caught of guard that I didn't even ask what is answer was, complete brain freeze I just was listening.  I plan to go talk with him when I get off of work.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: BearsBisonsBoars on November 10, 2017, 11:59:56 am
For the Fire Long group, here's  a tshirt idea for you:

"So, Long
Farewell!"

I'd make it myself, but I ain't in the firing crowd (yet)

But I thought it was clever, so here's one for free. (Just please remember to include the comma)
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: hawgon on November 10, 2017, 12:02:38 pm
I went home for lunch to let the dogs out, and my neighbor was outside waiting for me.  Although we aren't super close, we say hi and he knows I'm an Arkansas fan by the flag in front of my house.  Well he told me that a friend/former neighbor of his, Kevin White, was contacted to gage his interest in the our athletic directors job. His friend was the former AD at Tulane, Arizona, and worked with Notre Dame and Duke.  I was so caught of guard that I didn't even ask what is answer was, complete brain freeze I just was listening.  I plan to go talk with him when I get off of work.

Good lord, his football coach hiring record at Notre Dame is as bad as Longís, if not worse.  He extended Davies, hired George OíLeary, Ty Willingham, and Charlie Weis.  He then extended Weis for ten years and is the reason Notre Dame is still paying him.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: razorbackfaninar on November 10, 2017, 12:03:14 pm
Uh-Oh. Jeff Long's incredulous integrity that he's propped himself up onto a shiny tower is about to take big hit.  Something that gets nearly any CEO of a Fortune 500 company fired is coming out.

We'll see if any media hacks have the guts to report it.  Def. interested to see who in the media has integrity themselves.

Well? What is it?  Don't wait for the media to have the guts.  If it is something of substance everyone wants to know it and if it's going to come out any waht does it hurt to go ahead and tell us what it is.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: razorbackfaninar on November 10, 2017, 12:05:08 pm
About the "LONG on Integrity T-shirts," I remember hearing a mention of them at the time, and I just completely assumed they were meant to be sarcastic. I couldn't believe there was any possibility that they were anything except the product of disgruntled fans who didn't want Petrino gone, or there was any chance anyone wearing them was taking them seriously.

If the athletic department printed those things, or allowed them to be printed, then wow, I really don't know what to say.

someone linked an article a few pages back that explains how they came about.  I guess it's up to you if you believe the account or not.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: EastexHawg on November 10, 2017, 12:07:09 pm
Good lord, his football coach hiring record at Notre Dame is as bad as Long’s, if not worse.  He extended Davies, hired George O’Leary, Ty Willingham, and Charlie Weis.  He then extended Weis for ten years and is the reason Notre Dame is still paying him.

But what were GPAs like during that time?
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: EastexHawg on November 10, 2017, 12:14:02 pm
About the "LONG on Integrity T-shirts," I remember hearing a mention of them at the time, and I just completely assumed they were meant to be sarcastic. I couldn't believe there was any possibility that they were anything except the product of disgruntled fans who didn't want Petrino gone, or there was any chance anyone wearing them was taking them seriously.

If the athletic department printed those things, or allowed them to be printed, then wow, I really don't know what to say.

According to this published article from 2012...featuring a picture of the shirt...they were ordered and distributed by the university's public relations office.

https://www.arktimes.com/ArkansasBlog/archives/2012/04/17/jeff-longs-firing-of-petrino-brings-125-million-donation
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Porkette on November 10, 2017, 12:22:22 pm
According to this published article from 2012...featuring a picture of the shirt...they were ordered and distributed by the university's public relations office.

https://www.arktimes.com/ArkansasBlog/archives/2012/04/17/jeff-longs-firing-of-petrino-brings-125-million-donation

Thanks, I just went back earlier in the thread and checked out that link. They make it sound like Long himself wasn't involved, but still, why did people support that? I believe in integrity but why celebrate that depressing moment for our program?
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: RagingHawgOn on November 10, 2017, 12:24:04 pm
There is no logic behind it.  All they have is one bad contract that looked good at the beginning and the fact that he is not from Arkansas.  After listening to people on here for so many years, I am thankful he is from outside the state.  Way too many on here came from relations between cousins.  Ironically, the same guys complaining the loudest now, were complaining about JFB, the MSM and the GOBN that ran things back in the day.  The only thing that is consistent here is the cry for someone to lose their job.

I am not sure of this magical AD is out there with Arkansas roots and never makes a bad hire exists, but if you have a problem with what Long has done, you would likely be unhappy with most ADs out there.  If that was the case, JFB was a failure based on Kines, Crowe, Ford, HDN, Heath, and Pel.  Everyone is allowed to make a hiring mistake here and there.  Look no further than aTm (Franchione, Sherman & Sumlin), LSU (Orgeron), Florida (Muschamp & Durkin) and Tennessee (Kiffin, Dooley & Jones).  We are far from alone here.  As for the CBP disaster, it was awful and I am sure Long wishes it would have never have happened and he would have never been forced to make the choices he did, but choices I seriously doubt he made without input from many.  I figure the toughest decision for those most critical of him is whether to have grits or oatmeal for breakfast.

Well done.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: hawgon on November 10, 2017, 12:25:13 pm
Thanks, I just went back earlier in the thread and checked out that link. They make it sound like Long himself wasn't involved, but still, why did people support that? I believe in integrity but why celebrate that depressing moment for our program?

It may or may not have been Longís idea, but he could have stopped it with a word.  At best, it was a regrettable situation and nothing to be celebrated.  That mess cemented my opinion of Long.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: EastexHawg on November 10, 2017, 12:25:13 pm
Thanks, I just went back earlier in the thread and checked out that link. They make it sound like Long himself wasn't involved, but still, why did people support that? I believe in integrity y but why celebrate that depressing moment for our program?

Long was aware of it.  It has been obvious for years that Long loves the limelight, loves being the center of attention.  He could have stopped the distribution of the shirts, but why would he?  Jeff Long loves him some Jeff Long.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: HogAllMighty on November 10, 2017, 12:26:00 pm
ahh...yeah honestly that's my top reason for wanting to retain Jeff Long.  I don't want the same group of people who ran Nolan Richardson off to reassert power on the Hill.

So true. 
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: SooieGeneris on November 10, 2017, 12:29:32 pm
People are mad at the product on the field.  That's on Bielema.

But when JL fiddles while Rome burns...people shouldn't be surprised when the anger extends to him as well.

Exactly! JL was too slow to fire Failphrey, but I think a lot of people, some with power, some not so much, were angered by his dismantlement of the GOBN even as many of the same people were calling for exactly that for years.

How he did it may have been ham-handed and he got rid of some who weren't part of Hooten's shenanigans in a guilt by association thing.

I believe that was mandated by John White, who is no longer in the picture, thank goodness. The egghead meddling in athletics was in way over his head, or out of his lane.

His bungling of the Hooty mess after enabling him for years is part of the reason Long was brought in.

Now, the chickens have come home to roost and many people who have felt disrespected by Long or think he's pompous and arrogant will have their say. That's my take until someone comes up with a better one.

They were infuriated by the Petrino firing, far as I'm concerned Bobby fired himself, but they have waited in the weeds for several years for Long to slip up again.

His attempted hirings of Jim Grobe and Tommy Bowden before Petrino, the Petrino debacle, now the Bielema experiment which has clearly not worked...

It's time for Long to go too.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: EastexHawg on November 10, 2017, 12:37:26 pm
ahh...yeah honestly that's my top reason for wanting to retain Jeff Long.  I don't want the same group of people who ran Nolan Richardson off to reassert power on the Hill.

In my opinion Nolan began resting on his laurels, maybe quit recruiting as hard after the two consecutive championship game appearances.  His last six teams went a combined 50-45 in conference and his last three went 22-25.  Maybe you believe he should have been given longer based on lifetime achievement, but frankly by the time he left I was ready for him to go.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: moses_007 on November 10, 2017, 01:31:45 pm
Long has been good at building facilities, but mediocre when hiring coaches.  Looks like he's been a good fund raiser too.  But if he's been involved in any underhanded business sheninagans, he may be gone. 
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Kevin on November 10, 2017, 02:01:27 pm
when you start listing all the traditions he has changed, and all the legends he has crapped on, I wish the fan base would have risen up sooner against this guy.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: LAGNAF on November 10, 2017, 02:08:55 pm
when you start listing all the traditions he has changed, and all the legends he has crapped on, I wish the fan base would have risen up sooner against this guy.

Would you list them please, I'm not aware of many changed "traditions" or crapped on "Legends"
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: porkrindjimmy on November 10, 2017, 03:30:10 pm
I'm 100% Green, lol. As to the other, there's an internal audit team in LR that scours the different campuses, if there are improprieties, they will be found. If the can't, then the Legislative Audit committee will, just ask Gearhart and the Academic Advancement team and UAF Foundation. I'm sorry, I don't trust speculation without facts posted on here. I don't trust some of the stuff I post at times, even if it comes from the horse's mouth, because I didn't see the paperwork, lol.

I stand corrected.....

I am not saying he snatched a John Deere combine off your property....

I have a couple of Deere things laying around the grounds here but I am a Case man.

Seriously, check into the plane thing...

PRJ
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: ricepig on November 10, 2017, 03:46:08 pm
I stand corrected.....

I am not saying he snatched a John Deere combine off your property....

I have a couple of Deere things laying around the grounds here but I am a Case man.

Seriously, check into the plane thing...

PRJ

Ok, nothing runs like a Deere, however, I retired and rented mine out a few years ago. I still have some JD power units in some farms where I provide the water, I also use them to pump up the woods since it won't freaking rain enough to relift out of the river/bayou.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: porkrindjimmy on November 10, 2017, 03:52:10 pm
Ok, nothing runs like a Deere, however, I retired and rented mine out a few years ago. I still have some JD power units in some farms where I provide the water, I also use them to pump up the woods since it won't freaking rain enough to relift out of the river/bayou.


Well Rice, I respect the hell out of you and your posts....I figure you will know who the next coach will be before 99.9% of the rest on here, including me.

I know I drive you crazy, but I just pass on what some old men tell me...within bounds....

Including about Jeff. And some of this stuff is going to leak out. I figure the jet thing will soon...especially since others, porkaterian, are alluding to it.

Anyway, you are a farmer. You have done good work. You feed people, you have dealt, I suspect, with more BS than three quarters of us ever would in 3 lifetimes. My granddaddy's were a carpenter and a cattle rancher....Blue Collar, salt of the earth dudes. I put you in that same category.

PRJ
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: ricepig on November 10, 2017, 04:03:56 pm

Well Rice, I respect the hell out of you and your posts....I figure you will know who the next coach will be before 99.9% of the rest on here, including me.

I know I drive you crazy, but I just pass on what some old men tell me...within bounds....

Including about Jeff. And some of this stuff is going to leak out. I figure the jet thing will soon...especially since others, porkaterian, are alluding to it.

Anyway, you are a farmer. You have done good work. You feed people, you have dealt, I suspect, with more BS than three quarters of us ever would in 3 lifetimes. My granddaddy's were a carpenter and a cattle rancher....Blue Collar, salt of the earth dudes. I put you in that same category.

PRJ

Well, I appreciate the kind words, I like you, love the Razorbacks, and just want to have success. As to the "jet thing", if it's something that's soon to come out, then I'll wait. It would surprise me if it's an egregious misuse, or someone would have been all over it already. The same goes with any other improprieties, if so, the sooner divulged, the better for Arkansas.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: texas tush hog on November 10, 2017, 04:37:14 pm
Would you list them please, I'm not aware of many changed "traditions" or crapped on "Legends"
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Does the name Chuck Dicus ring a bell? How about Dr. Sean Rochelle to name a couple.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: razorbackfaninar on November 10, 2017, 04:39:27 pm
Would you list them please, I'm not aware of many changed "traditions" or crapped on "Legends"
[/quote

Does the name Chuck Dicus ring a bell? How about Dr. Sean Rochelle to name a couple.

What did he do to Chuck Dicus and Sean Rochelle?
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: texas tush hog on November 10, 2017, 04:41:41 pm
What did he do to Chuck Dicus and Sean Rochelle?


Sueezed both out when they would not do his nefarious enethical bidding. If you have to ask you do not matter,
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: porkrindjimmy on November 10, 2017, 04:48:56 pm

Sueezed both out when they would not do his nefarious enethical bidding. If you have to ask you do not matter,

Zing.....

PRJ
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: ricepig on November 10, 2017, 05:22:21 pm

Sueezed both out when they would not do his nefarious enethical bidding. If you have to ask you do not matter,

Well, the RF and nefarious dealings have gone on for years.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Inhogswetrust on November 10, 2017, 05:52:01 pm
But they are supposed to pay for that use at the rate as if they were flying commercial.

Not all the time in all companies.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Pork Twain on November 11, 2017, 01:53:53 am
New rumor mongers pay attention.  This is how you spread a good rumor.

PRJ is like a great white and drama is the blood that draws him.  He does boast about a 2-3% accuracy rate though, so he has that going.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: southeasthog on November 11, 2017, 05:31:26 am

Sueezed both out when they would not do his nefarious enethical bidding. If you have to ask you do not matter,

Well ain't you all high and mighty.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: ricepig on November 11, 2017, 08:09:29 am
Well ain't you all high and mighty.

Ask him about the real estate deals under the previous ones before those two, lol.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Con el Cerdos on November 11, 2017, 08:55:45 am
Ask him about the real estate deals under the previous ones before those two, lol.

Really favorable interest rates?  And repayment plans, maybe?  That was awhile ago, I've forgotten who the participants were and most of the details.

Did anyone have to answer for that?  No names necessary.  Just a yes or no will suffice if you know.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: ricepig on November 11, 2017, 09:00:26 am
Really favorable interest rates?  And repayment plans, maybe?  That was awhile ago, I've forgotten who the participants were and most of the details.

Did anyone have to answer for that?  No names necessary.  Just a yes or no will suffice if you know.
To my knowledge, they didn't, but one never knows what goes on there.
Title: Re: Jeff Long
Post by: Hogwild on November 11, 2017, 09:12:56 am
Good lord, his football coach hiring record at Notre Dame is as bad as Longís, if not worse.  He extended Davies, hired George OíLeary, Ty Willingham, and Charlie Weis.  He then extended Weis for ten years and is the reason Notre Dame is still paying him.


No worries, he is not interested happy at Duke.