Maryland Pres wants the Death Penalty for NC

[Next1_04]

William's says there were no charges against the basketball team. Maybe they haven't been caught yet.

http://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/19131827/maryland-president-wallace-loh-says-expect-death-penalty-north-carolina-tar-heels-athletics

Maryland president Wallace Loh says he would expect North Carolina to get the "death penalty" over the academic allegations that have hung over the athletic program since 2010.

"As president, I sit over a number of dormant volcanoes," Loh said during a University of Maryland senate meeting Thursday, according to the Raleigh News & Observer. "One of them is an athletic scandal. It blows up, it blows up the university, its reputation, it blows up the president.

"For the things that happened in North Carolina, it's abysmal. I would think that this would lead to the implementation of the death penalty by the NCAA. But I'm not in charge of that."

A Maryland spokesperson later said in a statement that Loh's comments were "not a reflection of personal beliefs about the university or its leadership."

Joel Curran, vice chancellor of communications at North Carolina, said school officials were taken aback by Loh's statement.

"We were surprised that a sitting university president with no direct knowledge of our case would choose to offer such uninformed and highly speculative opinions," Curran wrote in an email.

The Tar Heels won a men's basketball national title this month amid the shadow of an NCAA investigation into the school's long-running academic fraud scandal involving athletes in numerous sports, tied to irregularities in an academic department from 1993 to 2011 and leading to five broad-based charges against the school that include lack of institutional control.

"For the things that happened in North Carolina, it's abysmal. I would think that this would lead to the implementation of the death penalty by the NCAA."
Maryland president Wallace Loh, on the academic allegations against North Carolina
The NCAA began investigating the program in 2010, reopened its inquiry in summer 2014 and first charged North Carolina in a notice of allegations filed in May 2015. The NCAA revised the charges in a second version in April 2016 and changed them again in a third version filed in December.

The investigation is currently delayed while the school and the NCAA work on a new schedule for North Carolina to file its response to the third NOA, as the attorney for a woman at the center of the scandal said he is working to set up an interview after she had previously refused to speak with investigators.

North Carolina men's basketball coach Roy Williams said before the national title game that his program in particular did nothing wrong.

"Were there some mistakes made? You're darned right there were. Were there some things I wish hadn't happened? You're darned right. But there were no allegations against men's basketball," Williams said. "Do I believe again that our institution, there were some mistakes, you're darned right I do. I'm very mad, sad, ticked off, any way you want to put all that terminology about it, embarrassed and all those things too."

Williams' program is referenced along with the football team in the third NOA, though no coaches or program staffers are charged with misconduct.

Williams said the length of the investigation in some ways has been a punishment for his program.

[hogsanity]

This brings up one of my pet peeves about the ncaa. The punishments, when they are handed out, almost always do not impact those who actually committed the violations. I have long thought that the punishments should be monetary, fine the universities, make them give back tv/media/bowl money, etc, earned during the period where infractions occurred. If coaches are still on the staff, suspend them. But punishing athletes that were not even present when the violations occurred is just wrong, imo.

The University of NC should be punished for the fraud that went on.

[HognitiveDissonance]

Williams is right in that one of the worst things about being accused by the NCAA is that the cases tend to drag on forever. In this case, it literally has been ongoing since 2010.
Williams is misleading in that while no coaches were charged with anything, the basketball program was indeed involved and indeed benefitted from the bogus classes. Rashad McCants, a member of either the 2005 or 2009 title team(I can't remember) was outspoken about it, describing how bogus the classes were. What was his motivation to be a snitch, I don't know.
So really, it involves the entire athletic department.
I would be surprised if the basketball program didn't receive some vacating of something, or probation, or something fairly serious when it's all said and done. Whenever that is. This team's title probably has no danger of being vacated, but possibly the 2005 or 2009 seasons might be impacted in some way.
I was following this case before Arkansas had to play them in both 2015 and 2017. But yea, it might feel a little better to see UNC get hit with sanctions after losing to them twice.

[Vantage 8 dude]

Williams is right in that one of the worst things about being accused by the NCAA is that the cases tend to drag on forever. In this case, it literally has been ongoing since 2010.
Williams is misleading in that while no coaches were charged with anything, the basketball program was indeed involved and indeed benefitted from the bogus classes. Rashad McCants, a member of either the 2005 or 2009 title team(I can't remember) was outspoken about it, describing how bogus the classes were. What was his motivation to be a snitch, I don't know.
So really, it involves the entire athletic department.
I would be surprised if the basketball program didn't receive some vacating of something, or probation, or something fairly serious when it's all said and done. Whenever that is. This team's title probably has no danger of being vacated, but possibly the 2005 or 2009 seasons might be impacted in some way.
I was following this case before Arkansas had to play them in both 2015 and 2017. But yea, it might feel a little better to see UNC get hit with sanctions after losing to them twice.

Heck, most teams can't even get a fairly called basketball game when they play the 'heels. What makes anyone think they'd actually get hammered with something that REALLY matters over the long run? What a total farce!!

[onebadrubi]

Look, many people come here and other discussion platforms to talk about how the NCAA screws stuff up like this.  They aren't screwing up, they are stalling hoping to find loopholes or it will lose it's luster.  Look at Mark emmert, the man wreaks of sleaziness at every where he's ever been.  There is too much money involved with some programs for them to get in trouble. 

On a smaller scale, this past NFL combine, Tim Williams told nfl teams he failed numerous drug test last year, yet he always played for the Saban and Bama.  Certain programs have immunity for obvious reasons.  UNC basketball is one of them.

[HogBreath]

The NCAA offered a compromise and proposed giving UNC-Asheville the death penalty

[rude1]

This brings up one of my pet peeves about the ncaa. The punishments, when they are handed out, almost always do not impact those who actually committed the violations. I have long thought that the punishments should be monetary, fine the universities, make them give back tv/media/bowl money, etc, earned during the period where infractions occurred. If coaches are still on the staff, suspend them. But punishing athletes that were not even present when the violations occurred is just wrong, imo.

The University of NC should be punished for the fraud that went on.

What you do is allow any athlete there at the time the penalties come down the opportunity to transfer to the school of their choice without having to red shirt or lose any eligibility. In doing that you further punish the program for their transgressions.

[Hogimus Prime]

I like Roy Williams 'darned right'.  He pulled that same darned right I'm mad b.s. when PJ Hairston got in all kinds of trouble.  He reminds of Bobby Bowden when one of his football players got in trouble.  The whole 'darn it if I knew they were up to no good I'd stopped. You're darn right they are gonna be in trouble' and does nothing while the media talks about what kind of good person and funny character they are.

[(notOM)Rebel123]

Cleveland State better watch out....as Jerry Tarkanian would say.

[Danny J]

It's cool...they are waiting for UNC to have a down year then they will get hit...

[Inhogswetrust]

Williams said the length of the investigation in some ways has been a punishment for his program.

To me this says it all. HOW can anyone say that? A program under investigation wins a NC and a coach there says they have been punished. That's stupid. Programs should not have a NC during any investigation or punishment.

[Captain Morgan]

William's says there were no charges against the basketball team. Maybe they haven't been caught yet.

http://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/19131827/maryland-president-wallace-loh-says-expect-death-penalty-north-carolina-tar-heels-athletics

Maryland president Wallace Loh says he would expect North Carolina to get the "death penalty" over the academic allegations that have hung over the athletic program since 2010.

"As president, I sit over a number of dormant volcanoes," Loh said during a University of Maryland senate meeting Thursday, according to the Raleigh News & Observer. "One of them is an athletic scandal. It blows up, it blows up the university, its reputation, it blows up the president.

"For the things that happened in North Carolina, it's abysmal. I would think that this would lead to the implementation of the death penalty by the NCAA. But I'm not in charge of that."

A Maryland spokesperson later said in a statement that Loh's comments were "not a reflection of personal beliefs about the university or its leadership."

Joel Curran, vice chancellor of communications at North Carolina, said school officials were taken aback by Loh's statement.

"We were surprised that a sitting university president with no direct knowledge of our case would choose to offer such uninformed and highly speculative opinions," Curran wrote in an email.

The Tar Heels won a men's basketball national title this month amid the shadow of an NCAA investigation into the school's long-running academic fraud scandal involving athletes in numerous sports, tied to irregularities in an academic department from 1993 to 2011 and leading to five broad-based charges against the school that include lack of institutional control.

"For the things that happened in North Carolina, it's abysmal. I would think that this would lead to the implementation of the death penalty by the NCAA."
Maryland president Wallace Loh, on the academic allegations against North Carolina
The NCAA began investigating the program in 2010, reopened its inquiry in summer 2014 and first charged North Carolina in a notice of allegations filed in May 2015. The NCAA revised the charges in a second version in April 2016 and changed them again in a third version filed in December.

The investigation is currently delayed while the school and the NCAA work on a new schedule for North Carolina to file its response to the third NOA, as the attorney for a woman at the center of the scandal said he is working to set up an interview after she had previously refused to speak with investigators.

North Carolina men's basketball coach Roy Williams said before the national title game that his program in particular did nothing wrong.

"Were there some mistakes made? You're darned right there were. Were there some things I wish hadn't happened? You're darned right. But there were no allegations against men's basketball," Williams said. "Do I believe again that our institution, there were some mistakes, you're darned right I do. I'm very mad, sad, ticked off, any way you want to put all that terminology about it, embarrassed and all those things too."

Williams' program is referenced along with the football team in the third NOA, though no coaches or program staffers are charged with misconduct.

Williams said the length of the investigation in some ways has been a punishment for his program.

Pretty Hilliarious that a B1G president has a say in anything.
Did you see how the B1G was a B1G laughing stock in football and basketball?
No B1G president has the right to say anything.
They are inferior in sports and they complain.
Sad... More comedy from the B1G laughing stock.

[hogsanity]

What you do is allow any athlete there at the time the penalties come down the opportunity to transfer to the school of their choice without having to red shirt or lose any eligibility. In doing that you further punish the program for their transgressions.

Well that just makes too much sense to possibly work.

[Kevin]

matt Dougherty said when he got the head coaching job at unc, he was told hire anyone you want in the basketball office, but don't touch the basketball academic staff.

roy brought his guy from Kansas, he jump on the hand grenade, and is now working in dallas at a pharmaceutical company.

I don't believe roy one bit.

[Corkscrew Johnson]

Glad that someone has the balls to say it.  What UNC did was egregious, but it will probably get swept under the rug.  In fact, I bet most people assumed they had already received their slap on the wrist and the NCAA had moved on.

[Boss Hog in the Arkansas]

This brings up one of my pet peeves about the ncaa. The punishments, when they are handed out, almost always do not impact those who actually committed the violations. I have long thought that the punishments should be monetary, fine the universities, make them give back tv/media/bowl money, etc, earned during the period where infractions occurred. If coaches are still on the staff, suspend them. But punishing athletes that were not even present when the violations occurred is just wrong, imo.

The University of NC should be punished for the fraud that went on.

It's their game and that's exactly how they designed it. Make revenue on the backs of kids then turn around and offer them as sacrificial lambs when necessary

[husker71]

somebody said once years and years ago when they found a bunch stuff on Kentucky Basketball the the NCAA was so mad at Kentucky that they put Western Kentucky on probation.  I think this had something to do with high priced no show jobs at the horse farms near there.

[logic]

Academic fraud would be eliminated by requiring an ACT of 23 or an SAT of 1140 to obtain a athletic scholarship. That is the minimum for college level studies.  Players could still walk-on but they would have to pay their own way.  I don't care that that would eliminate most 4 and 5 star players from getting scholarships since most are not going to college to obtain a meaningful college degree anyway.

[Inhogswetrust]

It's their game and that's exactly how they designed it. Make revenue on the backs of kids then turn around and offer them as sacrificial lambs when necessary

Current players get and keep scholarships so that doesn't make them sacrificial lambs.

[ErieHog]

somebody said once years and years ago when they found a bunch stuff on Kentucky Basketball the the NCAA was so mad at Kentucky that they put Western Kentucky on probation.  I think this had something to do with high priced no show jobs at the horse farms near there.

Its actually a paraphrasal of a Jerry Tarkanian quote from 1988.

"The NCAA was so mad at Kentucky they gave Cleveland State two more years of probation."

[Hawghiggs]

Academic fraud would be eliminated by requiring an ACT of 23 or an SAT of 1140 to obtain a athletic scholarship. That is the minimum for college level studies.  Players could still walk-on but they would have to pay their own way.  I don't care that that would eliminate most 4 and 5 star players from getting scholarships since most are not going to college to obtain a meaningful college degree anyway.

Fake classes.  That's one of the main topics being charged against UNC. That has nothing to do with the ACT.

[Paul]

Academic fraud would be eliminated by requiring an ACT of 23 or an SAT of 1140 to obtain a athletic scholarship. That is the minimum for college level studies.  Players could still walk-on but they would have to pay their own way.  I don't care that that would eliminate most 4 and 5 star players from getting scholarships since most are not going to college to obtain a meaningful college degree anyway.

Cal got around the ACT problem to get Derrick Rose into Memphis by having someone else take it for him.  that's a form of academic fraud

[lynbug]

Its actually a paraphrasal of a Jerry Tarkanian quote from 1988.

"The NCAA was so mad at Kentucky they gave .  Didn't Patrick Beverly have to leave because of one incorrect REAL CLASS?  NC, according to my understanding, has had decades of FAKE CLASSES...and the NCAA is still investigating.  A little favoritism here, maybe?

[ErieHog]

  Didn't Patrick Beverly have to leave because of one incorrect REAL CLASS?  NC, according to my understanding, has had decades of FAKE CLASSES...and the NCAA is still investigating.  A little favoritism here, maybe?

No favoritism;   we're talking about the difference of one player walking away from their eligibility, versus a program with decades of cheating;  its going to take a lot, lot, lot, lot longer for the later to get the full scope of the punishment.

As I've said before, don't expect a thing on the North Carolina front for 18 months to two more years, at minimum.  Anything faster than that would be astonishing.