2 Cents Worth

[Rzback]

Licking my wounds. Last night it was obvious we don't have as many 4 & 5 star players (bigger, faster, stronger, smarter, more athletic, etc.) nor do we have smarter better coaches. Until we recruit equally with Bama, LSU, A&M, Georgia, Florida, etc. and/or have coaches that can do more with less like Petrino, Freeze, Petersen (at Boise) etc., we will remain in the bottom half of the SEC. I'm thinking we might be a better fit for the ACC, Pac 12, or even the Big 8 where the schedule would not be as brutal week in and week out. Things just aren't what they used to be when we were in the old SWC and only had to play a couple of powerhouses each year. Fire away...

[hogcard1964]

How come we were really good in 2010 and 2011 and now we're just average?

[KCRazorbackfan]

I agree; last night Hogs fans found out just how NOT GOOD a lot of different things are - run game (3 and out sucks), run defense, pass defense.  The Hogs have guys that can catch the ball, quit focusing on the damn run so much and turn AA loose.  😡😡😡😡

[fourpeat]

A friend of mine and I were talking about this a couple years before A&M came to the SEC.  We agreed that if A&M or UT ever comes to the SEC, watch out!  They will own Texas high school recruiting!  Think about all the great athletes that come through Houston, Dallas/Fort Worth, Austin, San Antonio and all the other teams surrounding College Station.  We are just now seeing what we were talking about.  A&M is just in the early stages of collecting 4-5 star athletes.  If they win the SEC west, you can expect their recruiting classes to advance to the 'ridiculous'  level.  That of course is when they start dominating like you've never seen!  CBB has to get much more aggressive in recruiting than what he's doing now.

[RazorWhacker]

How come we were really good in 2010 and 2011 and now we're just average?

Because we had a coach who was fantastic at coaching but, unfortunately was a horrible human being.

[ricepig]

How come we were really good in 2010 and 2011 and now we're just average?

We weren't, did we win any championships, isn't that all that matters?

[HighcountryHog]

Coaching lacks the ability to make changes.  That's my 2 cents worth.  Will start calling him Bert now.

[al_pigcino]

Less with more like Freeze?  He's had multiple top 5 recruiting classes. Peterson played one game a year, the bowl. And Petrinos wins in his 20-5 years?  Only 3 or 4 came against above .500 teams.

[ricepig]

Coaching lacks the ability to make changes.  That's my 2 cents worth.  Will start calling him Bret now.

I'm sure he'll appreciate that.

[hogcard1964]

We weren't, did we win any championships, isn't that all that matters?

So we've never been good?

[ricepig]

So we've never been good?

It would appear in your logic.

[LJHOG]

How come we were really good in 2010 and 2011 and now we're just average?

You know why.  We fell into a QB with an arm and Arkansas produced some actual talent then.  And yes it is obvious we recruit(sign) mostly players which are Alabama, Fl, aTm, Texas, LSU, etc rejects.

[hogcard1964]

You know why.  We fell into a QB with an arm and Arkansas produced some actual talent then.  And yes it is obvious we recruit(sign) mostly players which are Alabama, Fl, aTm, Texas, LSU, etc rejects.

We've had excellent quarterbacks the last two seasons.  Was Petrino that much of a better recruiter than Bret?

[clutch]

Licking my wounds. Last night it was obvious we don't have as many 4 & 5 star players (bigger, faster, stronger, smarter, more athletic, etc.) nor do we have smarter better coaches. Until we recruit equally with Bama, LSU, A&M, Georgia, Florida, etc. and/or have coaches that can do more with less like Petrino, Freeze, Petersen (at Boise) etc., we will remain in the bottom half of the SEC. I'm thinking we might be a better fit for the ACC, Pac 12, or even the Big 8 where the schedule would not be as brutal week in and week out. Things just aren't what they used to be when we were in the old SWC and only had to play a couple of powerhouses each year. Fire away...

Your argument lost credit at the less with more phase. Freeze less with more? Really? I didn't realize top 5 classes were considered inferior talent.

I won't even get into the fact that CBB has one of the highest numbers of players in the NFL out of all coaches in college football. He wasn't pulling in top 10 classes there either.

[sigpooie]

something tells me Long is going to need another 30 million to fix this. We are middle of the pack again,, might make 3rd if all the other teams we play loose their fastest players. But now I'm pretty sure we lose to bama, miss and LSu. So 4th or 5th for this year.

[Arthur pigby sellers.]

something tells me Long is going to need another 30 million to fix this. We are middle of the pack again,, might make 3rd if all the other teams we play loose their fastest players. But now I'm pretty sure we lose to bama, miss and LSu. So 4th or 5th for this year.

I think A and M would have beaten the dog crap out of LSU if they played today. A and M front 7 would have dominated LSU's one dimension offense. I'm not impressed with LSU.

[dj shanon "Notshavin" smeya]

Your argument lost credit at the less with more phase. Freeze less with more? Really? I didn't realize top 5 classes were considered inferior talent.

I won't even get into the fact that CBB has one of the highest numbers of players in the NFL out of all coaches in college football. He wasn't pulling in top 10 classes there either.

Because of 1 bad loss at the Death Star?  I don't like Long bc he's can be a jerk to fans and media, but to lay this on BB is Aggieish.

[Pig In The City]

I agree; last night Hogs fans found out just how NOT GOOD a lot of different things are - run game (3 and out sucks), run defense, pass defense.  The Hogs have guys that can catch the ball, quit focusing on the damn run so much and turn AA loose.  😡😡😡😡

Our OL just isn't very good right now. Neither is our play calling.

[PorkRinds]

something tells me Long is going to need another 30 million to fix this. We are middle of the pack again,, might make 3rd if all the other teams we play loose their fastest players. But now I'm pretty sure we lose to bama, miss and LSu. So 4th or 5th for this year.

Did you watch LSU play this year yet? Their offense is terrible.

[JOKERHOG]

How come we were really good in 2010 and 2011 and now we're just average?

nail meets hammer!  This is very simple whether people want to admit it or not

[onebadrubi]

How come we were really good in 2010 and 2011 and now we're just average?

You can replace auburn from 10 with A&M this year (not saying A&M and Knight will be Cam and auburn), but basically what you are saying is still capable!  After bama, what game do we not have a good chance of winning?  Ole Miss, history tells us we play them well, LSU we have their number, Florida at home will be a good game... Sooooo to compare a year in which you are 4 weeks in to two of the best years of razorback football in the last 25+.

Look, by your comment it's obvious what you are alluding too.  Keep the stupid crap down in the politics forum. 

[onebadrubi]

Because we had a coach who was fantastic at coaching but, unfortunately was a horrible human being.

He also was lacking any defensive recruits here.  Something people who bring him up will NEVER bring up, because it has haunted this program for years after his departure.

[Medic821]

My two cents worth haters comming out of the wood work.  IMHO.

[onebadrubi]

something tells me Long is going to need another 30 million to fix this. We are middle of the pack again,, might make 3rd if all the other teams we play loose their fastest players. But now I'm pretty sure we lose to bama, miss and LSu. So 4th or 5th for this year.

One loss with a first year QB and a young/new O line and you think these type of comments have merit?  Man no wonder this world is a disaster, look at the level of intelligence the source behind all of these stupid comments. 

[woodhog14]

How come we were really good in 2010 and 2011 and now we're just average?

In 2010 the SEC didn't have aTm...and Ole Miss and State were not as near as good as they have been lately.
Ole Miss was 1-7 in SEC play
State was 3-5 in SEC play
We still lost to Bama, who finished 5-3 in SEC play

In 2011 the SEC didn't have aTm...
Ole Miss was 0-8 in SEC play
State was 1-7 in SEC play
Auburn was 4-4 in SEC play
We got smoked by the two best SEC teams by a combined score of 79-31.

[hog19911]

In 2010 the West was stronger than ever. 4 elite teams beating up on each other.

Now days LSU is in the tank, MSU sucks again, Auburn is spiraling out of control and A'M usually implodes.

Last year the second best team in the West got whipped by Memphis, Shutout by Florida and lost to a 5-3 Arkansas team that had lost to Toledo and T Tech.

Plus Petrino beat A'M in a bowl.

To answer your question we were good because we had a great coach. He's proving that once again being ranked in the top 5, as we were when he coached here.

[Styflin]

In 2010 the SEC didn't have aTm...and Ole Miss and State were not as near as good as they have been lately.
Ole Miss was 1-7 in SEC play
State was 3-5 in SEC play
We still lost to Bama, who finished 5-3 in SEC play

In 2011 the SEC didn't have aTm...
Ole Miss was 0-8 in SEC play
State was 1-7 in SEC play
Auburn was 4-4 in SEC play
We got smoked by the two best SEC teams by a combined score of 79-31.

Fact

[hogcard1964]

It would appear in your logic.

I thought I just stated that we were good in 2010 and 2011?

[Hawgphish]

1 out of every 10 years we will compete for a top tier bowl.
2 out of every 10 years we will not make a bowl.
7 out of every 10 years we will play in a mid to low bowl.

That is reality in the SEC West.  Due to a the geographical difficulties of recruiting in our small state.  Regardless of who the coaches are.

[wildhogman]

In 2010 the West was stronger than ever. 4 elite teams beating up on each other.

Now days LSU is in the tank, MSU sucks again, Auburn is spiraling out of control and A'M usually implodes.

Last year the second best team in the West got whipped by Memphis, Shutout by Florida and lost to a 5-3 Arkansas team that had lost to Toledo and T Tech.

Plus Petrino beat A'M in a bowl.

To answer your question we were good because we had a great coach. He's proving that once again being ranked in the top 5, as we were when he coached here.

and tel me ol wise one. what is our record 'THIS' year against LSU? Ole Miss? MsSt? Misery? 
how about we wait till December before declaring this season lost?