Let's take some of Ole Miss's class

[razorhog52]

Who would you want? 2018 class and transfers?

[King Kong]

Ole Piss won't allow transfers

[The Pocahontas Porker]

The NCAA might feel different though in this situation an open the door

[factchecker]

Ole Piss won't allow transfers

Ole Miss won't have a say if the NCAA gets involved.

[presidenthog]

I'm wondering if Blaine won't decommit now and open the door for us to get him.

Does ole miss have anyone committed to the current class that we want and can take??

You know without the hiring of prostitutes for them and such.

[King Kong]

Ole Miss won't have a say if the NCAA gets involved.

Well, the NCAA won't get involved with this situation unless it involved recruiting.

[presidenthog]

Well, the NCAA won't get involved with this situation unless it involved recruiting.

I'm betting more will come out.

The call the escort was done in Florida on 1/19 of this year. Right before signing day. That escort may have not been for freeze if you get what I'm saying.

[HoggusMaximus]

Real question is how many Ole Miss recruits would we take. Seeing as how they usually recruit people with high moral fiber.

[outlawhogeywells]

they do have the OL that committed that we were recruiting

[theFlyingHog]

Well, the NCAA won't get involved with this situation unless it involved recruiting.

They now have 21 violations against them. All it takes is a two year bowl ban and it's open season on OM players. There are no restrictions, no waiting a year to play

[OneTuskOverTheLine™]

Frankly, and I know I am in the minority here, I do not want any player that is committed to Ole Miss as their decision making abilities have already been proven to be suspect. How anybody can look at that inflamed, pustulant draining, open, weeping, maggot infested, goiter hole of a program and say ' that's for me' is someone that will not make good decisions in the future. 


It is like picking up a turd from the clean end.

There is ironically so much "Win" with "Loser" speech in the statement above that I cannot get over it..! Excellent job sir.!!

[hobhog]

What is the rule on transfers in a situation like this? Why wouldn't Patterson and others just bolt instead of wasting away at OM for next 2-3 years?

[hogsfan31]

What is the rule on transfers in a situation like this? Why wouldn't Patterson and others just bolt instead of wasting away at OM for next 2-3 years?

Bc the Patterson family drank the Hugh Freeze koolaid. He was most likely given something to go there, and his brother was given a job on the coaching staff there. They're all in with Ole Piss.

[HogtoberFest]

Frankly, and I know I am in the minority here, I do not want any player that is committed to Ole Miss as their decision making abilities have already been proven to be suspect. How anybody can look at that inflamed, pustulant draining, open, weeping, maggot infested, goiter hole of a program and say ' that's for me' is someone that will not make good decisions in the future. 


It is like picking up a turd from the clean end.

RWIII was a Mississippi commit

[hamsam]

Ah, you are one of those people. Allow me to explain it in more detail so your 'Aha' mentality and flaw-finding persona can better understand my point.

Was Ole Miss in this kind of trouble with the NCAA when RWIII was committed to them?
Do you believe in your heart of hearts that in this present environment that RWIII would commit to them now? 
When you see a wreck ahead of you on the highway do you accelerate into the fiery mass or do you take a different route?
If you answered in the affirmative to any of these questions you may be as big a dolt as those that have committed to Ole Miss THIS YEAR.

The same holds true to any kid that commits to the rape factory at Waco.

Anything else Francis?

👍👍 awesome reply!

[HogtoberFest]

My point was you can't generalize and say that every kid that makes a bad decision is a bad person.

These are 17 and 18 year old kids being duped by a coach, who has fooled many adults.

So, by saying one of the best ambassadors of the Razorback program was once a Mississippi commit, I was trying to illustrate that we shouldn't just pass on all of them.

But that is my opinion and I'm sorry that it offended you so.

Carry on

[chanhog1996]

I think we should take Blaine Scott. Him and Luke Jones would be it for OL this class

[hawginbigd1]

Absolutely.  The point you were stating has nothing to do with this topic or what I said.  Of course making a bad decision does not make one a bad person. That is idiotic.  This isn;t bout taking a left when you should have gone right.
It is about a month or a year long research event that is the most important decision of your young life with one's parents, coaches, friends, church, Internet research, news, looking and predicting the next 4-5 years at a school, and personal, social fit.
Take all of those variables and apply them to Ole Miss and its present situation and THEN, THEN, you say, this is the place for me.
That i not a bad person, that is an idiot that will continue to do things that idiots do for the foreseeable future.
So are the kids that have committed to Ole Miss this or last year bad people? Probably not.  Are they people that are smart and have done their due diligence for what is best for them?  Nope. There is a disconnect on their decision making button.

Quit bringing RWIII into this to illustrate a point that simply is not there.  It is a nonstarter. A different time and a different situation and an argument being forced fed into a different conversation.

Your assertion that these kids are victims is laughable and frankly offensive to those that think for a living.  Don't make these kids victims. They knew what they were getting into the first time they took money, hookers,  or memorized a bible verse that applied to everyone else but themselves. 

Eighteen-year-olds fight for this country, vote and choose a college. All are choices made with research and some thought. If you committed to Ole Miss in the past two years you 'thought' you were above the law, right or wrong did not apply to you, and That something for nothing is  a good idea.

Take your RWIII argument to the trash can. You are doing him a disservice by even going there.

Your points are well constructed but overzealous IMO, I am a moderately successful grown man and I own a timeshare I don't utilize that I could have bought a nice car for. Sometimes good people get suckered into a bad decision. Doesn't mean they will always make bad decisions.

[HogtoberFest]

Absolutely.  The point you were stating has nothing to do with this topic or what I said.  Of course making a bad decision does not make one a bad person. That is idiotic.  This isn;t bout taking a left when you should have gone right.
It is about a month or a year long research event that is the most important decision of your young life with one's parents, coaches, friends, church, Internet research, news, looking and predicting the next 4-5 years at a school, and personal, social fit.
Take all of those variables and apply them to Ole Miss and its present situation and THEN, THEN, you say, this is the place for me.
That i not a bad person, that is an idiot that will continue to do things that idiots do for the foreseeable future.
So are the kids that have committed to Ole Miss this or last year bad people? Probably not.  Are they people that are smart and have done their due diligence for what is best for them?  Nope. There is a disconnect on their decision making button.

Quit bringing RWIII into this to illustrate a point that simply is not there.  It is a nonstarter. A different time and a different situation and an argument being forced fed into a different conversation.

Your assertion that these kids are victims is laughable and frankly offensive to those that think for a living.  Don't make these kids victims. They knew what they were getting into the first time they took money, hookers,  or memorized a bible verse that applied to everyone else but themselves. 

Eighteen-year-olds fight for this country, vote and choose a college. All are choices made with research and some thought. If you committed to Ole Miss in the past two years you 'thought' you were above the law, right or wrong did not apply to you, and That something for nothing is  a good idea.

Take your RWIII argument to the trash can. You are doing him a disservice by even going there.

I appreciate your passion on the subject and we can agree to disagree.

This is football and it's a game, not the military or a tragic car crash.

Now as an adult who grew up with a great support system, I completely agree that one should take it seriously and make a well informed and well thought out decision before committing to a school.

However, I don't buy into the fact that everyone at that stage has the maturity or support system in place to do that.

From all accounts RW had that support system and the rumors around Freeze and Ole Miss were very much there 2 years ago. Still he committed to Mississippi then after taking some more time to reflect decided to change.

I'm sure our coaches were well aware of the type of program and recruiting tactics that have been in place at Mississippi since the beginning of HF's tenure.

Now, do I believe every kid who committed to Ole Miss would be a good fit here? No.

But at the same time I do believe that that singular issue/decision does not alone indicate that they would be a good fit or successful with our program. There may very well be 1 or 2 that could come here and get a great education and help the hogs on the field.

I'm sorry that you do not think my analogy fits, however I do not feel that I in any way disrespected RW, nor did him any disservice.

[rhames]

I'm betting more will come out.

The call the escort was done in Florida on 1/19 of this year. Right before signing day. That escort may have not been for freeze if you get what I'm saying.

If you're going to speculate at least get your facts straight. If was 2016.

[Pig in the Pokey]

If you're going to speculate at least get your facts straight. If was 2016.

Shae Patterson.

[HogtoberFest]

Seebs, the aggressive nature of your post is unwarranted.

Thank you for your opinion, but I respectfully disagree.

Have a good day.

[hogfan14]

I don't really think choosing to go to Ole Miss means a kid has bad decision making skills, I mean if a kid grew up in Mississippi and playing for Ole Miss was his dream then so what if he doesn't get to play in a bowl game because of sanctions. What if it was their only SEC offer?

[Seebs]

Seebs, the aggressive nature of your post is unwarranted.

Thank you for your opinion, but I respectfully disagree.

Have a good day.

Good day to you sir.

[tophawg19]

Then they won't be leaving Ole Miss and not part of the transferring schools discussion thread. 
Good point on why a good kid would attend. He would not be thinking of transferring and is getting a free education which should be a student's goal.

The kids that went there for the hookers, money and drugs that now wish to go elsewhere are the concern.   

your logic is moronic . name the ones who received any of these things? you can't nor can the NCAA apparently . Kids get caught up in the dog and pony show all the time . They believe the lies just like many adults do. Otherwise you wouldn't have scam artists out there . Half these kids have one parent and come from poor families and those coaches know what to say, knowing they don't have to live up to  it. It's like get rich quick schemes , everyone wants to think it will work for them. poor kids who hear adults promising the moon and moms who are hoping to get their kids out of a mess are susceptible to snake oil salesman. Your attacking these kids who made their choice based on promises is wrong and not allowed . these are kids who might look at the Hogs now that they can see the real difference between a man like CBB and Freeze. You're basically saying all our players under nutt fit in that catagory

[tophawg19]

I don't really think choosing to go to Ole Miss means a kid has bad decision making skills, I mean if a kid grew up in Mississippi and playing for Ole Miss was his dream then so what if he doesn't get to play in a bowl game because of sanctions. What if it was their only SEC offer?

It doesn't matter where they grew up , Those coaches knew what lies to tell them. It's easy to promise the world when you know you can't be held accountable . it's easy to tell kids what they want to hear, It's much harder when you have to live up to it.

[PorkRinds]

your logic is moronic . name the ones who received any of these things? you can't nor can the NCAA apparently . Kids get caught up in the dog and pony show all the time . They believe the lies just like many adults do. Otherwise you wouldn't have scam artists out there . Half these kids have one parent and come from poor families and those coaches know what to say, knowing they don't have to live up to  it. It's like get rich quick schemes , everyone wants to think it will work for them. poor kids who hear adults promising the moon and moms who are hoping to get their kids out of a mess are susceptible to snake oil salesman. Your attacking these kids who made their choice based on promises is wrong and not allowed . these are kids who might look at the Hogs now that they can see the real difference between a man like CBB and Freeze. You're basically saying all our players under nutt fit in that catagory

I'm with this guy. That entire line of thinking is dumb as a sack of rocks.

[Seebs]

your logic is moronic . name the ones who received any of these things? you can't nor can the NCAA apparently . Kids get caught up in the dog and pony show all the time . They believe the lies just like many adults do. Otherwise you wouldn't have scam artists out there . Half these kids have one parent and come from poor families and those coaches know what to say, knowing they don't have to live up to  it. It's like get rich quick schemes , everyone wants to think it will work for them. poor kids who hear adults promising the moon and moms who are hoping to get their kids out of a mess are susceptible to snake oil salesman. Your attacking these kids who made their choice based on promises is wrong and not allowed . these are kids who might look at the Hogs now that they can see the real difference between a man like CBB and Freeze. You're basically saying all our players under nutt fit in that catagory

Actually you are saying that.  Sometimes 2+2 equals 4. All of the escorts were for Freeze - yeah right.

[ricepig]

Actually you are saying that.  Sometimes 2+2 equals 4. All of the escorts were for Freeze - yeah right.

Do you have the number of escorts hired?

[Seebs]

I do have the depth of the sand you have your head buried in. it is about the same.

Hootie's guy found the number from the six day record pull.  OM admin checked that number over a length of time and that number was called quite frequently.

You may call a duck a falcon, but I compare this with the escort fiasco at other schools and I believe the duck to be a duck.

Of course I am speculating, as are you. Freeze asked the world to prove it, looks like someone did . 

[tophawg19]

do we even know it wasn't a wrong number or maybe a recruits Mom worked there ? it's all speculation on our part . We think we know and logic seems to support it but it's still speculation.

[ricepig]

I do have the depth of the sand you have your head buried in. it is about the same.

Hootie's guy found the number from the six day record pull.  OM admin checked that number over a length of time and that number was called quite frequently.

You may call a duck a falcon, but I compare this with the escort fiasco at other schools and I believe the duck to be a duck.

Of course I am speculating, as are you. Freeze asked the world to prove it, looks like someone did . 

All that has been proven is he cheated on his wife, I'll await further proof.

[tophawg19]

Frankly all that was proven was that he called an escort , not that he even met them. He was a fall guy and now they can use this to try and get out of trouble

[LRHawg]

All that has been proven is he cheated on his wife, I'll await further proof.

I've heard he has been separated from his wife for a while. Not true?

[ricepig]

I've heard he has been separated from his wife for a while. Not true?

Rumor has it, amongst other things.

[Seebs]

To the main topic of the OP, we have 10 verbals and will only take 5-7 more. I speculate that taking any OM commits is a long shot.

[tophawg19]

Blaine Scott is the one possible . We wanted him before

[tusksincolorado]

Blaine Scott is the one possible . We wanted him before

If this is to happen....we better make damn sure some serious vetting happens with the whole football team onboard!

Because I like the way this Razorback culture is developing and we don't need any disruptions...

[Vantage 8 dude]

If this is to happen....we better make damn sure some serious vetting happens with the whole football team onboard!

Because I like the way this Razorback culture is developing and we don't need any disruptions...

While I totally understand and agree about the vetting (as I would assume we do with any potential recruit), having offered this young man in the past I would hope that we had already done so previously.

[rhames]

You guys are trying to make a scandalous issue even more scandalous. The hookers were for freeze


Ask yourself this....if they were for recruits why would freeze step down? Wouldn't he at least make ole miss pay him a partial buy out at "hush money?"



Why would Hugh give 2 craps about covering up for ole miss at this point??

[rhames]

Shae Patterson.

Irrelevant to what I was saying.

[tophawg19]

You guys are trying to make a scandalous issue even more scandalous. The hookers were for freeze


Ask yourself this....if they were for recruits why would freeze step down? Wouldn't he at least make ole miss pay him a partial buy out at "hush money?"



Why would Hugh give 2 craps about covering up for ole miss at this point??

whose to say they didn't pay him to go. now they can point to his leaving and hope the NCAA goes easier on them

[ricepig]

whose to say they didn't pay him to go. now they can point to his leaving and hope the NCAA goes easier on them

Their Foundation and University system is no different than ours, that information can come out through 990's for the Foundation and FOI's of the university system.

[Pork Ranger]

do we even know it wasn't a wrong number or maybe a recruits Mom worked there ? it's all speculation on our part . We think we know and logic seems to support it but it's still speculation.

Are you serious?

C'mon man! (Herm Edwards voice)

[rhames]

whose to say they didn't pay him to go. now they can point to his leaving and hope the NCAA goes easier on them

If that were the case they would have avoided the "all in" campaign and fired him earlier.

In the end, the oversight of forgetting that call on the foi'ed records by nutt is what got him.

And as rice mentioned, we would know if the university or foundation paid him any money to go away.

[JIHawg]

Why would Freeze have to hire prostitutes for recruits when Ole Miss sorority girls are lining up for these guys.

[tusksincolorado]

You guys are trying to make a scandalous issue even more scandalous. The hookers were for freeze


Ask yourself this....if they were for recruits why would freeze step down? Wouldn't he at least make ole miss pay him a partial buy out at "hush money?"



Why would Hugh give 2 craps about covering up for ole miss at this point??

OK

1) Bucky Beaver cant afford implementing OP because he could possibly end up with a NCAA "show cause" with all the current allegations.

2) Bucky Beaver stating that OP was involved means that his tarnished Christian image would be more damaged because he harmed innocents by implementing them in a felonious criminal activity.

We need to remember that Bucky Beaver got his wood...and possibly many others, that were underage, did too...

This could be very similar to PSU, in the depth of disgusting criminal felony sexual activity involving teenagers.

Do you believe that Baylor is the only institution involved in is type of activity?

Wake up...nobody is perfect and we fail at life and faith many times. But possibly involving others, especially young adult/teenagers? Sorry I am a forgiven sinner, but these type of horrific grievous sins...I just cant get pass if true.

[rhames]

OK

1) Bucky Beaver cant afford implementing OP because he would possibly end up with a NCAA "show cause" with all the current allegations.

2) Bucky Beaver stating that OP was involved means that his tarnished Christian image would be more damaged because he harmed innocents by implementing them in a felonious criminal activity.

We need to remember that Bucky Beaver got his wood...and possibly many others, that were underage, did too...

This could be very similar to PSU, in the depth of disgusting criminal felony sexual activity involving teenagers.

Do you believe that Baylor is the only institution involved in is type of activity?

Wake up...nobody is perfect and we fail at life and faith many times. But possibly involving others, especially young adult/teenagers?

1.  He already is a mess and no school will touch him. He probably will end up with one anyway but that is neither here nor there.


2.  Oh so he just ruins his life and career by taking the fall and let's everyone else off scott free. How nice of him!


I'm not saying ole miss did or didn't provide hookers to recruits. I'm saying the hookers contacted by freeze on his ole miss cell phone were for him. There is a reason, during the press conference, they kept saying over and over this had nothing to do with the NCAA. If there was even a hint of Hugh contacting hookers for recruits on his phone records they would not have kept mentioning the NCAA.


Also how in the world could you even compare providing hookers to recruits to Sandusky diddleing kids in the shower?  Or Baylor covering up rape?

[tusksincolorado]

1.  He already is a mess and no school will touch him. He probably will end up with one anyway but that is neither here nor there.


2.  Oh so he just ruins his life and career by taking the fall and let's everyone else off scott free. How nice of him!


I'm not saying ole miss did or didn't provide hookers to recruits. I'm saying the hookers contacted by freeze on his ole miss cell phone were for him. There is a reason, during the press conference, they kept saying over and over this had nothing to do with the NCAA. If there was even a hint of Hugh contacting hookers for recruits on his phone records they would not have kept mentioning the NCAA.


Also how in the world could you even compare providing hookers to recruits to Sandusky diddleing kids in the shower?  Or Baylor covering up rape?

Illegal sexual activities involving youth....period.

Or do you have different categories of disgust when it involves this topic? trafficking, prostitution, rape, child molestation, 

Anyway...

I bet we see HF coaching again after "rehab"! Maybe a 6-week Rehab in the Med? With all the $$$ he has earned over the past 5 years it seems appropriate.

Please, the first thing in cover-ups are denying all even if it was never previously mentioned.
Why would they even mention the NCAA? And if it was questioned by the media...a simple NO would do.

And who is the overseer for the Athletic Department expenses? They don't monitor the itemized billing in this age of College Football. Seems fairly lax to me....until they dug a little deeper.

I am amazed how today, as a society, that we are willing to accept a liar's statement when the oblivious is heard and seen by our own eyes and ears. We need to stop hating the messengers.

[rhames]

I would say raping young children and covering up rape for decades is way worse than using an escort service (escorts and human trafficking are not the same thing).  We also don't even know if the latter happened concerning recruits

You can believe what you want. Ole miss isn't in any position to cover anything up since they're under a crazy microscope at the moment. Transparency is the best policy for them right now.

But yeah if you want to believe it goes way deeper than it actually does by all means go for it