Spring game against another opponent

[parallaxpig]

Heard it discussed, any chance we will see spring game scrimmage against another team. 

[jkstock04]

I've never heard of such but that would be awesome.

[Hoggish1]

Heard it discussed, any chance we will see spring game scrimmage against another team. 

No way that happens, unless the opponent was a a juco team at best.

The risk of injury would be too great to allow such stupidity.

[MuskogeeHogFan]

Heard it discussed, any chance we will see spring game scrimmage against another team. 

Not allowed. But good idea.

[parallaxpig]

No way that happens, unless the opponent was a a juco team at best.

The risk of injury would be too great to allow such stupidity.

Risk of injury no greater than it is in current format.

[Inhogswetrust]

Risk of injury no greater than it is in current format.

Everyone with half a brain knows it isn't allowed.

[parallaxpig]

Everyone with half a brain knows it isn't allowed.

Hey half wit, it's being discussed, hence the post.

[bythelake]

Where do these people come from?

[ricepig]

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/sec-football/freeze-suggests-outside-opponents-future-spring-games/

[PorkRinds]

Not this year for sure.

[ricepig]

Not this year for sure.

I think we'll have the Red's vs the White's.

[PorkRinds]

I think we'll have the Red's vs the White's.

No question really.

[MuskogeeHogFan]

No way that happens, unless the opponent was a a juco team at best.

The risk of injury would be too great to allow such stupidity.

Ehh, I'd like to see it happen. Everyone (P-5 and below) schedule a quasi-spring game with an opponent.  Charge admission. There isn't a single team that is going to take too big of a chance with injury. In fact, most teams might schedule a lesser division team for the game (scrimmage) and the gate should go to the smaller team to help the lower division teams to continue to fund their programs less the operating expenses of the stadium where the scrimmage is held. Heck, you could schedule a couple of these each spring off campus, especially in areas that you wanted to target for recruiting.

Let's face it, scrimmaging a lesser team you are still going to get your work in with a less chance of injury and if done off campus, you get other potential recruits to show up to watch.

I think it would be good and who knows, in scrimmaging lesser division teams, you might every once in a great while uncover a guy playing at a lower level, who deserves to be playing at a higher level. This concept wouldn't hurt at all, if the NCAA would rule to allow it.

[PonderinHog]

How about ASU at WMS   Have Bazzell make a new trophy!

[MuskogeeHogFan]

How about ASU at WMS   Have Bazzell make a new trophy!

I was thinking more about Houston Baptist in Houston, TX or Bethune-Cookman in Daytona Beach, FL.

[factchecker]

I was thinking more about Houston Baptist in Houston, TX or Bethune-Cookman in Daytona Beach, FL.

Texas Tech is having their spring game at the cowboys practice facility in Frisco, Texas.

"The Star" practice facility is pretty awesome and it's just the right size to accommodate the spring game.

It would piss too many people off but if we were to play off-site I'd rather play our spring game in Frisco vs. WMS.

Much better facility -

[Hoggish1]

Risk of injury no greater than it is in current format.

Wrong.  Continue...

[MuskogeeHogFan]

Texas Tech is having their spring game at the cowboys practice facility in Frisco, Texas.

"The Star" practice facility is pretty awesome and it's just the right size to accommodate the spring game.

It would piss too many people off but if we were to play off-site I'd rather play our spring game in Frisco vs. WMS.

Much better facility -

But it is still a team spring game, red vs. black or red vs. white, and not against another opponent which is not allowed, right?

[factchecker]

But it is still a team spring game, red vs. black or red vs. white, and not against another opponent which is not allowed, right?

As far as I know.

[SamBuckhart]

How about play the DALLAS COWBOYS in Fayetteville? The college all-stars used to play the NFL once a year. Don't shake your head. It could happen.

[factchecker]

How about play the DALLAS COWBOYS in Fayetteville? The college all-stars used to play the NFL once a year. Don't shake your head. It could happen.

Saban and other coaches brings back former players who played in the league to scrimmage against his team.

[Birminghog]

Texas Tech is having their spring game at the cowboys practice facility in Frisco, Texas.

"The Star" practice facility is pretty awesome and it's just the right size to accommodate the spring game.

It would piss too many people off but if we were to play off-site I'd rather play our spring game in Frisco vs. WMS.

Much better facility -

If I live in Lubbock, I'm ticked at this. Plenty of people who might not otherwise be able to afford a regular season game could take their families to a Spring game, but travel the 10.5 hour, 770 mile round-trip to Frisco and back? May be a better facility for all I know, but it dumps on the hometown fans.

[Hoggish1]

Ehh, I'd like to see it happen. Everyone (P-5 and below) schedule a quasi-spring game with an opponent.  Charge admission. There isn't a single team that is going to take too big of a chance with injury. In fact, most teams might schedule a lesser division team for the game (scrimmage) and the gate should go to the smaller team to help the lower division teams to continue to fund their programs less the operating expenses of the stadium where the scrimmage is held. Heck, you could schedule a couple of these each spring off campus, especially in areas that you wanted to target for recruiting.

Let's face it, scrimmaging a lesser team you are still going to get your work in with a less chance of injury and if done off campus, you get other potential recruits to show up to watch.

I think it would be good and who knows, in scrimmaging lesser division teams, you might every once in a great while uncover a guy playing at a lower level, who deserves to be playing at a higher level. This concept wouldn't hurt at all, if the NCAA would rule to allow it.

No way all this you speak of makes any sense..

[Hoggish1]

How about play the DALLAS COWBOYS in Fayetteville? The college all-stars used to play the NFL once a year. Don't shake your head. It could happen.

dayum, that's good LMAO

[12247]

To me, the Spring game is practice and I say go where you can get the best out of that practice.  It that means taking your show on the road to help recruiting, then do it.  Since it would be practice, you likely could let potential recruits on to the sidelines, into the dressing room and likely get to sit in on halftime thus learning a lot about  your program.

I would assume the staffs of both teams would have a lot of latitude with subbing in and out and trying new things both ways. 

[sowmonella]

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/sec-football/freeze-suggests-outside-opponents-future-spring-games/

Would Freeze also pay the opponents?

[woodrow hog call]

Risk of injury should be half as much as a traditional red white game.
Having half as many players on the field at all times, risk factor should be close to half.

[Hollywood870]

Risk of injury should be half as much as a traditional red white game.
Having half as many players on the field at all times, risk factor should be close to half.

Numbers don't lie.

[jgphillips3]

How about a spring game with all star razorbacks from the past to scrimmage against kind of like Bama did in season with some players?

[Supermark101]

Wrong.  Continue...

Please elaborate. NFL teams scrimmage against each other all the time, in training camp.

"We're talkin bout practice"
It gets brought up every couple of years,  but it never goes beyond talk. I'd like to see it. It'd make spring games more interesting,  but most coaches are against it.

[CrookedSquealliry]

Hope it's not the Citadel or Toledo.

[DEVIL DOG HOG]

Would Freeze also pay the opponents?

Nope. He has to pay his players.

[DEVIL DOG HOG]

How about ASU at WMS   Have Bazzell make a new trophy!

WMS is too small!

[FANONTHEHILL]

The Freeze article is based on an interview from last April.  There have been NCAA and coach meetings since and I don't believe that the NCAA or coaches association gave the idea much footing.  A majority of coaches prefer a spring game that is controlled and scripted to reduce the risk of injury.  In Arkansas' case last year, there was a 120+ play scrimmage in the stadium the Saturday prior to the Red/White game that was open to the public and was much more competitive from a true game perspective.  Last April, Freeze was pitching the idea, this April he will likely be finding out if he has a show cause penalty against him and/or a job.  A lot can change in 12 months.

[MuskogeeHogFan]

Given the construction inside RRS this might have been a perfect excuse to have the spring game in Tulsa at Union HS, Jenks HS or at TU's stadium. Get a little marketing done along with a spring game.

[FANONTHEHILL]

Given the construction inside RRS this might have been a perfect excuse to have the spring game in Tulsa at Union HS, Jenks HS or at TU's stadium. Get a little marketing done along with a spring game.

Muskogee to Tulsa: < 1 hour
Muskogee to Fayetteville: Almost 2 hours

You have a hidden agenda!! 😀

[Pork Twain]

Never heard it discussed and it will likely never happen, ever...

[HogShat]

How about a spring game with all star razorbacks from the past to scrimmage against kind of like Bama did in season with some players?

No way... Last thing I wanna do during the tidbit of football we get in the spring is see Dmac, Cobi, Joe Adams and Mallett torch our defense and have to remember that all summer... Flowers and Philon going up against our unproven line with Spaight at linebacker? I'll pass...

[oldbear]

Having the spring game off site would also mean not getting the recruits on campus. They don't get to spend time at the home facilities, don't get to spend the same time with players and other staff in the same way. I personally think getting them to campus for the spring game is a plus. Also, if you play an actual opponent, you would have to find a way to agree to use certain time frames to bring in non-starters and other subs. Spring practice is much more about developing young talent and seeing what unproven players can do. It is a time for the proven players to sit and the pups to show they can bite.

If you bring in an actual opponent I would be afraid that the development aspect of spring would suffer greatly because you begin to worry too much about making sure you win instead of preparing your team to win when it matters.

[PonderinHog]

Would Freeze also pay the opponents?

No, any of his surplus funds will go toward his legal fees...

[parallaxpig]

Never heard it discussed and it will likely never happen, ever...

Boys you forget one thing--it ain't about football. If they can figure a way to make a buck, it will happen. 

[hogsanity]

If already mentioned, sorry, but if teams were only allowed one spring game, then if all fbs schools played a fbs school, half of them would not have their spring game at home. And half the schools ain't goin for that.

[MuskogeeHogFan]

Muskogee to Tulsa: < 1 hour
Muskogee to Fayetteville: Almost 2 hours

You have a hidden agenda!! 😀

I'm originally from Muskogee, I live in Broken Arrow/Tulsa.

And yes, I do. 

[oldfart]

I Know im old but seems to me "back in the old days" that some schools did scrimmage against others... but maybe im thinking of pro teams doing this....

[PorkSoda]

it wouldn't be any different that nfl preaseason games,

but aren't spring games usually in a different format, with modified time and rules, green jerseys, etc.

[jgphillips3]

I Know im old but seems to me "back in the old days" that some schools did scrimmage against others... but maybe im thinking of pro teams doing this....

You know, I seem to remember that happening some.  I can't swear to it and I certainly can't think of any time after the 80's that has happened, but I seem to remember a few schools did that in the 70's maybe?  Not sure though...

[bennyl08]

it wouldn't be any different that nfl preaseason games,

but aren't spring games usually in a different format, with modified time and rules, green jerseys, etc.

It would be different. Preseason, you have players fighting to make the team, looking to show out. In a spring game, you'll have players trying to impress the coaches for playing time, but their scholarship/career isn't in the very balance.

Some teams don't even have a game but just hold a normal practice that is open to the public. Other teams don't open the spring game to the public. Different teams will use different formats. With the no-hit jerseys, it becomes a question of how much you may or may not trust the other team to follow the rules. Further, a lot depends on who you schedule. Schedule a sisters of the poor team and you get to have 1's go against a weak opponent, which is good if that's what you want. Bad if you are the type to do 1's vs 1's and 2's v 2's. For that, you need to schedule a better team.

While players aren't going to play like their career is on the line like you see in a preseason game, you do have the issue of players hitting other players. In summer/fall practice, it gets frustrating going through practice but not being able to fully unload physically because they are your teammates and you don't want to risk unnecessary injury. So, when they do get to finally go against another team, often that frustration comes out. Spring is probably similar though you normally you know you aren't going to be playing another team any time soon so you don't build that anticipation. Add in the outside team, and you might see an increase in total number of injuries to occur (though there are now twice as many players and only half of your players are on the field at a given time.

A major benefit to incorporating this would be that 1, your team does get to go against another team. Coaches will (or at least should) be sure to caution the team that they should strive to not hurt other players. Further, you get to know your own team's plays and own player's strengths and weaknesses which can lead to the defensive advantage in spring. Put in a whole new team with players and scheme you don't know and it can provide a better test.

[MuskogeeHogFan]

I Know im old but seems to me "back in the old days" that some schools did scrimmage against others... but maybe im thinking of pro teams doing this....

There was a time that it was allowed but it was usually smaller schools who engaged in this. "Big" schools, like the current P-5 schools usually held an internal scrimmage as a spring game and at one time some big schools used to make it an Alumni event on campus by scrimmaging a team made up of former players who chose to come back and form a team for the spring game to play the varsity team. It was a fun event and it was all about marketing.

In the spring of 1973 the Northeastern A&M JC Golden Norsemen of Miami, OK hosted the reigning 1972 NAIA National Champions, the Central State University Broncos (Edmond, OK) for a spring game and beat them by a considerable margin. Of course that was at a time when the placement of players by major Div I schools at JC's was more prominent(and they subsidized their time and costs at the school). Needless to say, nothing like that was scheduled again. Kinda embarrassing for the current NAIA NC's.

But I am all for these kinds of games, it serves a purpose, it is worthy of player evaluation on the part of the staff and it is entertaining for fans.

[Dominicanhog]

If already mentioned, sorry, but if teams were only allowed one spring game, then if all fbs schools played a fbs school, half of them would not have their spring game at home. And half the schools ain't goin for that.

have a spring game of your redshirts?, squad team, JV.. and play home/home with big regional opponents JV etc... OU, TX, Neb...

Keep your red-white game at home.. a snap limit for any that played in the JV game...

[code red]

No way that happens, unless the opponent was a a juco team at best.

The risk of injury would be too great to allow such stupidity.

Yes it will never happen for this reason.