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Scarblog: Cam Robinson's arrest gives Saban his greatest challenge on discipline

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https://twitter.com/KevinScarbinsky/status/732687582669201409

QuoteThose are the details from the arrest report. All in all, it's a bad look for Jones and a terrible look for Robinson, who happens to be the most famous Alabama football player to get arrested in the Saban era.

No offense to Jones, but backup defensive backs are a dime a dozen at Alabama. All-American left tackles one year away from a huge NFL payday don't grow on trees, even in Tuscaloosa.

Getting arrested at all, let alone under these alleged circumstances, raises questions about Robinson's judgment and character that NFL teams will want answered before they shower him with millions of dollars.

At Alabama, Robinson is even more valuable on an offensive line that lost its anchor, center Ryan Kelly, to the first round of the NFL Draft, and he's even more critical to an offense that will feature a new starting quarterback for the third straight year.

Robinson's stature as the most accomplished returning offensive player for the reigning national champions puts even more pressure on Saban's ultimate disciplinary decision, if he'll even have a decision to make as the legal process plays out.
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https://twitter.com/jbeanpoll/status/732941259418050560

QuoteSaban said he's spoken to both players after their arrest on drug and weapon possession charges.

"Yeah, I talked to them and there's nothing really different on it," Saban said.

The two were arrested at a public park after 2:30 a.m. Tuesday morning in Monroe, La. Robinson, a potential first-round draft pick, was charged with felony possession of a stolen firearm.

Saban said the program's investigation will be done in private.

"Look, I'm not going to talk about that now," Saban said. "You've been around here for nine years, have you not? How do we do it? We do it internally. It's not something we do publicly and we're not going to do it today."

A handful of players have been arrested in last few offseasons. Most were handled internally without suspensions carrying over into the next fall.

Saban explained his strategy for dealing with off-field issues.

"If we can change their behavior based on what we do, that would be the purpose of discipline," Saban said. "Discipline is not necessarily just punishment, which a lot of people view it that way. It's how do you change somebody's behavior so they have a better chance to be successful.

"That's the way we've always done it. That's the way we always try to do it. That's the way I like to do it with my own children. I think that's the way most parents like to do it with their own children."
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AL.com sports ‏@aldotcomSports 1h1 hour ago

Sorry folks, this Cam Robinson story doesn't seem to be slowing down anytime soon http://ow.ly/5jbN300n7Uz



QuoteWho could play at left tackle if Robinson misses significant time?

If Robinson misses serious time, could that impact the ongoing quarterback race?
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https://twitter.com/ClowESPN/status/738174647598907395

Quoteaban told ESPN.com on Wednesday he is still determining the status of offensive tackle Cam Robinson and what action to take, but said the door remains open for Robinson to play for the Crimson Tide next season.

Robinson and teammate Hootie Jones were arrested and charged with possession of marijuana and possessing a handgun in the presence of drugs last month in their hometown of West Monroe, Louisiana. Robinson, a potential top-10 pick in next year's NFL draft, also received a felony charge for possessing a stolen firearm.

"It's the first time Cam has ever had an issue or a problem," Saban said. "We're handling it and managing it internally and making him do things to hopefully change his behavior. I'm waiting to see how this whole legal thing plays out, because it's not really what it seems to be."

Saban declined to provide specifics about Robinson's arrest...

Meanwhile, Alabama athletic director Bill Battle said Wednesday that the university acted in its "best interests" in parting ways with former defensive line coach Bo Davis and that a final report from the NCAA has yet to arrive.

"I know that Bo spoke with the NCAA after we did, and he resigned," Battle said. "We determined that there were violations and felt like it was in our best interests to separate. I know that Bo spoke with the NCAA in hopes that he could reduce any penalties that might come to him. We haven't heard what might come to us, and we're still waiting for those answers."

Battle declined to speculate on what penalties, if any, the Crimson Tide could receive.
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https://twitter.com/aldotcomSports/status/743776327791185920

QuoteLouisiana court date for two Alabama football players will have to wait.

The arraignment for Cam Robinson and Hootie Jones was postponed Wednesday.

A make-up date has not been set.

Nick Saban on several occasions said he'd defer punishment until the legal system played out.
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Scarblog: Ouachita Parish DA Jerry Jones reinforced the widely held notion that athletes receive preferential treatment, and his timing couldn't have been worse. ESPN just spent an entire week airing a five-part documentary brilliantly describing how O.J. Simpson likely got away with both domestic violence and murder.

QuoteAccording to the report, in addition to leaning on his compassion for hard-working young football players, Jones dropped the charges because "he said he couldn't prove who was in possession of the (stolen) gun and who was in possession of the drugs."

Jones should've stopped talking right there.

Instead he kicked the ball and the responsibility for dealing with Robinson and Jones to Nick Saban, which is probably good news for the players and bad news for USC, Alabama's opening opponent. Given his case history, Saban may be the most player-friendly judge and jury since Lance Ito and the Simpson panel.

Consistent with his profession, Saban has established a precedent to try to change the behavior of his wayward players without taking away playing time, which is the most powerful tool at a coach's disposal. In several public statements on this case, he's said Robinson had no priors, and he's emphasized his own consistent "discipline isn't just punishment" philosophy.

No doubt we'll get reminded of Saban's passion on this subject when he appears at SEC Media Days in three weeks.

We may never know what price the two players have paid, beyond the public embarrassment of a brush with the law, for putting themselves in the wrong place at the wrong time, for making bad decisions and exercising poor judgment.

Those would seem to be violations of The Process if not the law...
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Documents obtained by station KNOE-8  in Louisiana show that Alabama has already begun a program to aid in rehab for left tackle Cam Robinson and safety Hootie Jones, who were arrested on drug and weapons charges in Louisiana May 17. Saban suspended both players indefinitely May 19.

QuoteBoth players have had to undergo weekly Miss tests, have had regular drug counseling, have monthly video appointments with a mental health consultant and have had to meet twice a week with a Tuscaloosa police officer for gun safety/ownership education.

They also both have had to complete 20 hours of community service.

In addition, Robinson has spent at least 26 hours riding along with the Northport Police Department (has their blind side?) while Jones had to spend 21 days in a drug rehab program, per the documents.

Alabama has yet to announce whether Robinson and/or Jones will be suspended for any games.
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https://twitter.com/aldotcomSports/status/745650060940165120

QuoteBoth players have had to undergo weekly Miss tests, have had regular drug counseling, have monthly video appointments with a mental health consultant and have had to meet twice a week with a Tuscaloosa police officer for gun safety/ownership education.

They also both have had to complete 20 hours of community service.

In addition, Robinson has spent at least 26 hours riding along with the Northport Police Department while Jones had to spend 21 days in a drug rehab program.

I would disagree that this is punishment unless the players are compelled to dip into their drug money for these services out of their Cost of Attendance stipend.
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https://twitter.com/ESPN_SEC/status/747414513524191232

QuoteMany words have been spent wondering what Alabama coach Nick Saban will do about Cam Robinson and Hootie Jones, before and after the drug and weapons charges they faced weren't pursued. Will the star left tackle and reserve defensive back still face suspensions? Or will Saban, ever the fan of second chances and never one to bow to public pressure, let them slide?

Everyone wants to know the answer, but no one more than the coaches at USC.

They're not alone. Offseason arrests have left many coaches wondering who will be playing in Week 1 across the SEC. The only high-profile punishment that seems to be set in stone is that of Texas A&M wideout Speedy Noil serving the second of his two-game suspension against UCLA.

Florida State doesn't know what to expect when they take the field against Ole Miss in the Monday opener. Breeland Speaks, who many believe will replace Robert Nkemdiche in the starting lineup at defensive tackle, was arrested on suspicion of driving under the influence in March, and coach Hugh Freeze has been mum on whether he'll take the field in Orlando. The same goes for Rod Taylor, a key cog in the offensive line who appeared in 10 games last year, and was arrested on suspicion of shoplifting in April.

Auburn, meanwhile, has the opportunity of a lifetime with defending Orange Bowl champs Clemson at home for their season-opener, yet they could very well be without two of their best young players in cornerback Carlton Davis and pass-rusher Byron Cowart. They, along with wideout Ryan Davis and defensive back, Jeremiah Dinson, were arrested in May on misdemeanor marijuana charges. Assistant coach Kodi Burns told Al.com that "we've already addressed everything (would know)"...

Tennessee transfer Alexis Johnson's status is unknown, and while Missouri announced that Terry Beckner Jr. was reinstated by coach Barry Odom after his suspension, the details of his punishment were never made public.

Another ESPN SEC article that omitted any mention of Arkansas Razorbacks.
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https://twitter.com/Carvell_AJC/status/753247590053969920

QuoteWith the legal side of things seemingly behind them, Alabama coach Nick Saban was asked if the duo would miss any playing time.

"Cam Robinson and Hootie were not charged with anything," Saban said Wednesday during SEC Media Days. "I think that the facts we have are a little different than sort of were advertised. Both players have done a significant amount of things to change their behavior internally, whether it was police ride-around, whether it was community service for juvenile groups that need positive role models and influence to make better choices and decisions.

"So we have viewed this as, if these guys do these things to change their behavior and help these other people, and that is ongoing, if they continue to do that, that will be how this matter is handled internally."
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Quote from: Mr.Mi-Hawg-i on July 13, 2016, 12:22:02 pm
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So much butthurt

Apparently he went off as soon as interview ended. Wish there was video or audio of it.

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Glenn Guilbeau ‏@LSUBeatTweet 3h3 hours ago

THIS JUST IN ... The Monroe Police Department has requested 108 tickets for LSU's Nov. 5 game. ... JUST KEEDING.
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https://twitter.com/LSUBeatTweet/status/753369901100785664

QuoteAlabama football coach Nick Saban insinuated that the Monroe Police officers who arrested two of his players last month in Monroe may have been seeing purple and gold.

"He said the police officers were LSU fans," SEC Network television and radio personality Paul Finebaum told reporters at the SEC Media Days here Wednesday at the Hyatt Regency hotel after a heated exchanged with Saban on the SEC Network and afterwards.

Finebaum criticized Saban on air for revealing Wednesday that he would likely not suspend All-SEC offensive left tackle Cameron Robinson of West Monroe High for the Crimson Tide's season opener against USC on Sept. 3 despite Robinson's May 17 arrest on a felony charge of possession of a stolen gun and misdemeanor possession of marijuana at Forsythe Park in Monroe.

Laurence "Hootie" Jones, a backup defensive back at Alabama from Neville High in Monroe, was arrested with Robinson on misdemeanor weapon and marijuana charges at about 1:30 a.m. by Monroe Police. Both were booked into the Ouachita Correctional Center before being released on bond a few hours later. All charges were subsequently dropped by Ouachita Parish district attorney Jerry Jones on June 20 for lack of evidence and because he didn't want "to ruin the lives of two young men who have spent their adolescence and their teenage years working and sweating while we were all home in the air conditioning."

Finebaum went after Saban on his daily SEC Network television show with Saban seated right next to him at the podium outside a Hyatt ballroom.

A heated exchange transpired after the SEC Network show broke for commercial. Saban could be seen pointing his finger at Finebaum, who later told reporters that Saban suggested that the arresting officers from the Monroe Police Department may have had a conflict of interest as they were LSU fans, who tend to get upset when the subject of Alabama football comes up.

Monroe Police public information officer Chris Bates laughed at the idea that the officers had football on their mind during the arrests of Robinson and Jones.

"I can tell you for a fact that the first officer on the scene is not an LSU fan," Bates said Wednesday afternoon. "He hates LSU. He doesn't like the color yellow or purple and gold. In fact, he's a Florida fan. If you mention LSU around him, he throws up in his mouth. Most of our officers are LSU fans, but we have some who are Arkansas fans and Georgia fans and Alabama fans. And I'll tell you this, the first officer did not even know those guys were players."

Bates explained that the first officer noticed four men in a car at 1:30 a.m. in Forsythe Park, which was closed at the time.

"They were in plain view," he said. "Our officer was doing his job. They were not supposed to be there. He called for backup, and the other officers arrived and made the arrest. We enforce the law based on the law."
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https://twitter.com/LSUBeatTweet/status/753589572160856064

Emphasis quote from prior post:

QuoteMonroe Police public information officer Chris Bates laughed at the idea that the officers had football on their mind during the arrests of Robinson and Jones.

"I can tell you for a fact that the first officer on the scene is not an LSU fan," Bates said Wednesday afternoon. "He hates LSU. He doesn't like the color yellow or purple and gold. In fact, he's a Florida fan. If you mention LSU around him, he throws up in his mouth. Most of our officers are LSU fans, but we have some who are Arkansas fans and Georgia fans and Alabama fans. And I'll tell you this, the first officer did not even know those guys were players."
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Pulled(PP)pork

it reeks of desperation to blame someone else instead of the perps.  his players are not THAT famous


PP

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https://twitter.com/tnsports/status/753695661099520000

QuoteMost tense moment

Saban and SEC Network analyst Paul Finebaum got into an on-air spat that bled into the commercial break. Finebaum criticized Saban for not suspending All-SEC offensive lineman Cam Robinson and defensive back Laurence Jones, who were arrested in May on drug and weapons charges that were later dropped. Saban said the players, instead, will be punished internally and still play in the season opener against Southern Cal.

"You're innocent until proven guilty in this country regardless of whether you get convicted in the media or not, which is what you're doing to these players," Saban told Finebaum on SEC Network. And then off air, Saban and Finebaum continued a heated discussion on the set.

https://twitter.com/1045espn/status/753272454747791361
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https://twitter.com/AlexS_ESPN/status/754015536233738240

Scarborough County: Remember when you call a coach soft on discipline his team/recruits call it being loyal

QuoteCoaches aren't looking for my support. Unless you run a 4.4 or contribute to an athletic fund, they aren't looking for yours, either. Their constituency -- the ones they really have to please -- are current and future players (and boosters, of course). What some might interpret as weak on discipline can easily be seen in another light: a player's coach. Don't believe me? Look at what former Alabama safety Ha Ha Clinton-Dix tweeted after Saban got into it with Paul Finebaum. Or how about a post from blue-chip tackle Isaiah Wilson?

https://twitter.com/haha_cd6/status/753331026173292544

https://twitter.com/_LayZay_/status/753364701573177348
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Breaking it down: Saban explains difference between discipline for Alphonse Taylor, Cam Robinson

Quote"I think that everyone of these circumstances and situations is a little bit different," Saban said. "But I think when you have a DUI, what makes it significantly different is you have put other people in danger by the choice you made and the decision that you made. That, to me, is a little more serious in terms of what we need to do.

"I would like to look at what we're doing with Alphonse Taylor not as a punishment, but as a treatment of what we need to do to help him be a better player, be a better person and to make better choices and decisions in the future, and I think that'll help him the most."
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Nick Saban self-serving in non-punishment of arrested players?

QuoteSaban was forced to defend his decision to handle punishment for offensive tackle Cam Robinson and defensive back Hootie Jones internally (meaning likely no suspension) after both were arrested in May for possession of marijuana — and for Robinson, a felony charge of possession of a stolen gun. The district attorney later decided to drop the charges against Robinson and Jones, but that didn't stop some from suggesting Saban should still deliver a harsh punishment.

Should Saban have suspended Robinson and Jones for the incident in Louisiana? Maybe, but doing so would require Saban to take on the role of prosecutor in a situation where the actual prosecutor had already declined involvement.

Of course Monroe, La., district attorney Jerry Jones was mocked for his decision not to pursue charges against the Alabama players — in part because he referred to them being football players in his explanation for not seeking convictions.

That said, there's a natural distaste involved when someone is thought to have gotten away with a crime the way many assume Robinson and Jones did. That distaste can also produce a lot of cynicism.

During SEC Media Days, Saban lashed out at SEC Network's Paul Finebaum about the arrest of Robinson and Jones. Finebaum had asked about it being a "bad look" if the players aren't suspended, and Saban made it known that he thought the actions of the police were improper. It all seemed like a moment of unscripted drama between two well-known figures around the conference, but SI's Andy Staples suggested it wasn't unscripted at all.

"All of it was calculated ... when they speak to recruits now, Alabama assistants can point to that segment and ask the following: Do you see how much coach has his players' backs?" Staples wrote this week.

Maybe Staples is right and it was all done in the name of recruiting, or maybe Saban truly believes it is his responsibility to be an advocate for his players regardless of what the public thinks —
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https://twitter.com/AP_Top25/status/808364155409408000

I'm sitting on my brains in an air conditioned man cave while this kid is grinding his way to First Team AP All-American joining an exclusive list including this early '60s special teamer

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 Ross Dellenger‏Verified account @RossDellenger Apr 27

Two players who attended the draft were not drafted, left in the green room: #Bama's Cam Robinson and Notre Dame's DeShone Kizer.
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