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Apparently people think the basketball program is mediocre

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Knot2brite

Until we can consistently play solid defense ( stopping dribble penetration and proper rotation on the backside of our defense) and consistently move without the ball on offense, most people will think that the Hogs are mediocre. The SEC has been down for many years and the Hogs have shown flashes of brilliance and then fell flat on their face the next game. There is no doubt that the Hog program should be in the top three to four in the SEC every year due to it being a down league. The recruiting situation is working itself out better lately but player development has to step up this year with so many new faces and next year with more coming. Talent should not be a issue in the coming years but fundamental basketball skills need to be honed quicker.
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JayHog

Yeah, it was the Oklahoma State game last year that was the low point of the season. It felt like we were teetering on the edge of the wheels coming off. But then we started playing more zone, and it worked like crazy.  And thank God it did.  Because we have HUGE momentum in recruiting now. If we would've had to start completely over with hiring a new coach and installing a new system with new players...that would've been another 3 year set back to the program (at least). So it's great that it worked out and that we are now starting to benefit from having that continuity in our program again.
We had a great recruiting class this year, and I think we are set to have great recruiting classes for the next 2 or 3 years.  I feel like this is just the beginning of us finally being back to being a basketball program to be feared.

 

jabberjawls

Quote from: CapitalCityHawg on November 01, 2017, 06:19:33 pm
I have posted the below stats before but this is why I think Mike is a good coach and doing a good job here:

Stan Heath
2002-2003: 9-19 Overall; 4-12 Conference
2003-2004: 12-16 Overall; 4-12 Conference
2004-2005: 18-12 Overall; 6-10 Conference
2005-2006: 22-10 Overall; 10-6 Conference
2006-2007: 21-14 Overall; 7-9 Conference

Stan's Total: 82-71 Overall (.536); 31-49 Conference (.388)

John Pelphrey
2007-2008: 23-12 Overall; 9-7 Conference
2008-2009: 14-16 Overall; 2-14 Conference
2009-2010: 14-18 Overall; 7-9 Conference
2010-2011: 18-13 Overall; 7-9 Conference

John's Total: 69-59 Overall (.539); 25-39 Conference (.391)

Stan and Pelphrey Combined: 151-130 Overall (.537); 56-88 Conference (.389)

Mike Anderson
2011-2012: 18-14 Overall; 6-10 Conference
2012-2013: 19-13 Overall; 10-8 Conference
2013-2014: 22-12 Overall; 10-8 Conference
2014-2015: 27-9 Overall; 13-5 Conference
2015-2016: 16-16 Overall; 9-9 Conference
2016-2017: 26-10 Overall; 12-6 Conference

Mike's Total: 128-74 Overall (.633); 60-46 Conference (.566)

A Couple Points:
- In the 9 years prior to Mike we had 2 winning conference records. In Mike's 6 completed seasons we've had 4.
- Mike's Overall record is 9.6 percentage points better than what we experienced the previous 9 years (.633-.537). If you look at as a growth rate, .633/.537-1 = 17.9%
- Mike's Conference record is 17.7 percentage points better than what we experienced the previous 9 years (.566-.389). If you look at as a growth rate, .566/.389-1 = 45.6%
- Mike's conference winning percentage is better than both Stan and Pelphrey's OVERALL winning percentage while at Arkansas
I'm sorry, but i would consider an overall conference winning percentage of .566 to be MEDIOCRE.

hawg66

Quote from: jabberjawls on November 02, 2017, 11:48:04 am
I'm sorry, but i would consider an overall conference winning percentage of .566 to be MEDIOCRE.
Because you hate context. Probably more that you hate but I'll leave it at that.

Hawg Red

Same poster that start this thread just predicted a 15-16 record in the season prediction thread.

rzrbackramsfan

Quote from: jabberjawls on November 02, 2017, 11:48:04 am
I'm sorry, but i would consider an overall conference winning percentage of .566 to be MEDIOCRE.

This has a very Donald trump feel to it.

rzrbackramsfan

Mike Anderson would never get into the 2-4 conference win territory.  Even when all the wheels came off, he went 9-9 in conference.  Also, the 22-12 year we were snubbed.  We swept Kentucky that year. 

jabberjawls

Quote from: rzrbackramsfan on November 02, 2017, 12:14:08 pm
Mike Anderson would never get into the 2-4 conference win territory.  Even when all the wheels came off, he went 9-9 in conference.  Also, the 22-12 year we were snubbed.  We swept Kentucky that year. 
SEC has been horrible.  9-9 isn't anything to brag about.

CapitalCityHawg

November 02, 2017, 02:20:53 pm #58 Last Edit: November 02, 2017, 04:41:33 pm by CapitalCityHawg
Quote from: jabberjawls on November 02, 2017, 12:36:06 pm
SEC has been horrible.  9-9 isn't anything to brag about.

The league was as bad if not worse before Mike arrived and we only had 2 seasons out of the 9 prior to Mike's arrival that we were better than 9-9.

Mike has done notably better than our prior two coaches and has us trending in the right direction.

Hawg Red

Quote from: jabberjawls on November 02, 2017, 12:36:06 pm
SEC has been horrible.  9-9 isn't anything to brag about.

Even in an improved SEC, the worst I could see the Hogs finishing would be 8-10.

rzrbackramsfan

Quote from: jabberjawls on November 02, 2017, 12:36:06 pm
SEC has been horrible.  9-9 isn't anything to brag about.

The SEC for the past 6-7 teams has always had the best players but took a while to gel or randomly to gel.  So many of the SEC teams would start off pretty bad but end up being really strong by the time conference came around.  This cause the SEC to be viewed in a negative light, despite how good they really are. 

If you don't believe me, research how the SEC fares in the tournament compared to other conferences and how many players in the NBA the SEC has.

Atlhogfan1

Quote from: rzrbackramsfan on November 02, 2017, 12:14:08 pm
Mike Anderson would never get into the 2-4 conference win territory.  Even when all the wheels came off, he went 9-9 in conference.  Also, the 22-12 year we were snubbed.  We swept Kentucky that year.

We weren't snubbed.  Stop droning on about it.  Played a weak non conference schedule.  Beat 1 eventual NCAAT team in the non conf - La Lafayette.  The UK wins were it as far as resume building wins.  The second UK win came when they were playing poorly and lost 3 of 4 and 4 of 7 and only offense was throw it towards the backboard, get the rebound and get to the line.  If we were hanging onto the bubble before the 30 pt loss to Bama and 2pt loss to a 14-20 SC team we weren't close to it after those losses. 
Quote from: MaconBacon on March 22, 2018, 10:30:04 amWe had a good run in the 90's and one NC and now the whole state still laments that we are a top seed program and have kids standing in line to come to good ole Arkansas.  We're just a flash in the pan boys. 

jabberjawls

Quote from: rzrbackramsfan on November 02, 2017, 02:26:20 pm
The SEC for the past 6-7 teams has always had the best players but took a while to gel or randomly to gel.  So many of the SEC teams would start off pretty bad but end up being really strong by the time conference came around.  This cause the SEC to be viewed in a negative light, despite how good they really are. 

If you don't believe me, research how the SEC fares in the tournament compared to other conferences and how many players in the NBA the SEC has.
Well, be happy with 9-9 in the SEC.  That is your prerogative.  I'm not.

 

rzrbackramsfan

Quote from: jabberjawls on November 02, 2017, 04:49:41 pm
Well, be happy with 9-9 in the SEC.  That is your prerogative.  I'm not.
You are like 0-5 today on comprehending what my posts mean. 

jabberjawls

Quote from: rzrbackramsfan on November 02, 2017, 05:18:19 pm
You are like 0-5 today on comprehending what my posts mean. 
And you, sir, are 0-6 at posting objectively and clearly. (I included the Trump reference post because I didn't understand it, either)

HiggiePiggy

If a man speaks and no woman is around to hear him, is he still wrong?

mhuff

Quote from: Knot2brite on November 01, 2017, 06:44:47 pm
Until we can consistently play solid defense ( stopping dribble penetration and proper rotation on the backside of our defense) and consistently move without the ball on offense, most people will think that the Hogs are mediocre. The SEC has been down for many years and the Hogs have shown flashes of brilliance and then fell flat on their face the next game. There is no doubt that the Hog program should be in the top three to four in the SEC every year due to it being a down league. The recruiting situation is working itself out better lately but player development has to step up this year with so many new faces and next year with more coming. Talent should not be a issue in the coming years but fundamental basketball skills need to be honed quicker.

rzrbackramsfan

Quote from: jabberjawls on November 02, 2017, 05:45:23 pm
And you, sir, are 0-6 at posting objectively and clearly. (I included the Trump reference post because I didn't understand it, either)

Posts are clear, you're just too dense.

rzrbackramsfan

Quote from: HiggiePiggy on November 02, 2017, 05:48:57 pm
I would just stop bothering.

Mm yes, basketball season is here and so is Higgie Piggie to take a crap on our ascending basketball program.  I get it, every year we ascend the more you're wrong.  You'll find a hole to crawl back in soon, when our bball program hits that next level.

HiggiePiggy

Quote from: rzrbackramsfan on November 02, 2017, 08:30:23 pm
Mm yes, basketball season is here and so is Higgie Piggie to take a crap on our ascending basketball program.  I get it, every year we ascend the more you're wrong.  You'll find a hole to crawl back in soon, when our bball program hits that next level.

Excuse me? You really don't read much of my posts then.  I have talked highly of our team often. 
If a man speaks and no woman is around to hear him, is he still wrong?

rzrbackramsfan

Quote from: HiggiePiggy on November 03, 2017, 05:39:29 pm
Excuse me? You really don't read much of my posts then.  I have talked highly of our team often.


I might be thinking of RazorPiggie.  My B. 

HiggiePiggy

If a man speaks and no woman is around to hear him, is he still wrong?

hobhog

Not a whole lot to dispute mediocre....

50 programs have done better over last 20 years.

thehill1414

Hobhog - have anything else to add or is 4 threads enough?

 

hobhog

Quote from: thehill1414 on November 03, 2017, 09:02:18 pm
Hobhog - have anything else to add or is 4 threads enough?

I have a feeling I'm just getting started. Have I said something wrong?

rzrbackramsfan

Quote from: hobhog on November 03, 2017, 08:55:22 pm
Not a whole lot to dispute mediocre....

50 programs have done better over last 20 years.

How about since Anderson has been here? 

thehill1414

Quote from: hobhog on November 03, 2017, 09:06:19 pm
I have a feeling I'm just getting started. Have I said something wrong?

Just getting started with the season and won by 14. We are tinkering with lineups and have 3 guys out. Just relax and enjoy it, we have some great players on this team.

hobhog


rzrbackramsfan

Quote from: thehill1414 on November 03, 2017, 09:09:08 pm
Just getting started with the season and won by 14. We are tinkering with lineups and have 3 guys out. Just relax and enjoy it, we have some great players on this team.

Yea I'm not overreacting.  I want to make comments, but its hard to having just listened to the game.  Really do think we need Thompson, cook and hopefully garland back for depth though. 

rzrbackramsfan


hobhog

Quote from: thehill1414 on November 03, 2017, 09:09:08 pm
Just getting started with the season and won by 14. We are tinkering with lineups and have 3 guys out. Just relax and enjoy it, we have some great players on this team.

Agreed. I'll shut it down. This is year 7 and I expect a lot and something doesn't feel right. But I'll try to be patient....


PygmalionEffect2

QuoteNow these people are saying he should be making it to the Final 4 every year and making it to the Round of 32 is "mediocre"



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