Quantify Success for the new coach

[Citizen2729]

Quantify success for the new coach.  What best reflects your expectation for success over the first 5 year span with a new coach?

[Seebs]

No

[ShadowTheHedgehog]

Quantify success for the new coach.  What best reflects your expectation for success over the first 5 year span with a new coach?

Not five, three. The next coach should be somewhat successful after three  years. We are not in the same situation as when CBP left and smiley took over. With the current state of the programs if we don't see consistent improvement and a good third year, I say they did the wrong hire.

Qualities:
Humbleness, honesty, good recruitment, an offense that works with the players available, an improved defense, overall more speed and better technique. Emphasis on special teams. Focus the physical training around speed not just size and weight.

[Deep Shoat]

The correct answer is "being Gus", because that is who the GOBN is behind.

[Grunt]

I'll  for a 6 4 record with two top five upsets and average loss margin of 6 points and no loss greater than 10 points and a coach that upset Arkansas in 2015.

[Poker_hog]

Average 8 wins over the first 5 years.  Average 9 wins over the second 5 years and so on.

[3Scoreand10]

It is not so much about wins and losses for me, It is about being competitive.
Make the other team beat us and know they have been in a fight for their life.
I am just tired of a team not prepared and falling apart and giving up easy points.

[BearsBisonsBoars]

Not five, three. The next coach should be somewhat successful after three  years. We are not in the same situation as when CBP left and smiley took over. With the current state of the programs if we don't see consistent improvement and a good third year, I say they did the wrong hire.

Qualities:
Humbleness, honesty, good recruitment, an offense that works with the players available, an improved defense, overall more speed and better technique. Emphasis on special teams. Focus the physical training around speed not just size and weight.

You didn't uderstand the question.

It's what does success look lile after year five, not how long does it take to reach success.

[rzrbaxfan]

It is not so much about wins and losses for me, It is about being competitive.
Make the other team beat us and know they have been in a fight for their life.
I am just tired of a team not prepared and falling apart and giving up easy points.

This. If we fielded a team that lined up and punched you in the mouth, had losses but went down fighting, it would have a huge impact on my view of this team and it's coach. 

The reality is that we have no identity on offense.  Under Nutt, you could count on a good OL and ground game as well as a few heavy hitters on D (Bua, Hamlin, etc).  Under Petrino, you knew we'd attack on O and try to cover our weakness on D.  With Bret, you get an offense that really feels like monkeys throwing crap on the wall just to see what sticks.  On D, we are SOFT. Laughably soft, with no change in sight.

[phadedhawg]

i don't even care anymore...

I'd like to see us win every time we play but since we rarely do it feels foolish to expect different. 

[hogsanity]

I've been asking for a definitive definition of success for the football program for years on here, so good luck.

[Bardicer]

The correct answer is "being Gus", because that is who the GOBN is behind.

I went 8-5 with worse record once in 5 years.

  If its Gus, i expect 9 or 10 and him gone the second he doesn't reach it.  But that's just because I don't like him and I'm tired of hearing that he's the next nick saban. 

[JethroB.]

I just want to see yearly improvement. I'd be happy with averaging 8 wins per season with the occasional 9-10 win season or so. Just improve

[Mellon Collie]

as long is aint a 4-8 year 5, im cool.

[hogsanity]

keeping in mind, since joining the sec, the Hogs have averaged right around 7 wins per season, and have only finished the season ranked in the top 25 five times in 26 years.

[Wildhog]

keeping in mind, since joining the sec, the Hogs have averaged right around 7 wins per season, and have only finished the season ranked in the top 25 five times in 26 years.

7 wins/season would be an improvement over what we have now.

[greenEGnHAWGS]

keeping in mind, since joining the sec, the Hogs have averaged right around 7 wins per season, and have only finished the season ranked in the top 25 five times in 26 years.

That's crazy.

[hogsanity]

7 wins/season would be an improvement over what we have now.

Not arguing that at all. I am still amazed at how many people want to set the floor ABOVE what the program has averaged for the last 26 years. 

[Wildhog]

Not arguing that at all. I am still amazed at how many people want to set the floor ABOVE what the program has averaged for the last 26 years. 

To be fair, no one wants to be average.  We're looking for that guy that will put us "above average" for a few years, before we inevitably sink back down to that historical average.

[greenEGnHAWGS]

Not arguing that at all. I am still amazed at how many people want to set the floor ABOVE what the program has averaged for the last 26 years.

I went with 9-3 record 3 out of 5 years since the question is "what do I consider success?"

By taking the 7-5 or even 8-4 record means that the next coach would be average...as all of the other coaches have accumulated that record as well.

[Poker_hog]

Not arguing that at all. I am still amazed at how many people want to set the floor ABOVE what the program has averaged for the last 26 years. 

Averaging 8-5 is not too much to ask.  We play 13 games most years with 3 renta wins.  Just asking the next coach to be .500 against power 5 teams is not that lofty of a goal.

[hogsanity]

To be fair, no one wants to be average.  We're looking for that guy that will put us "above average" for a few years, before we inevitably sink back down to that historical average.

We have had that twice in the sec, one the fans could not wait to get rid of and the other is horrible at driving a motorcycle with a passenger amd not a great liar either.

In my lifetime we also had that with Holtz and Hatfield. I am little young to remember how the fans felt about Holtz the last 2 seasons, but I remember the whining about Hatfield, and that many were glad he was gone, never mind that the Hogs finished in the top 20 four times in his tenure here, and he had THREE 10 win seasons.

[Wildhog]

We have had that twice in the sec, one the fans could not wait to get rid of and the other is horrible at driving a motorcycle with a passenger amd not a great liar either.

In my lifetime we also had that with Holtz and Hatfield. I am little young to remember how the fans felt about Holtz the last 2 seasons, but I remember the whining about Hatfield, and that many were glad he was gone, never mind that the Hogs finished in the top 20 four times in his tenure here, and he had THREE 10 win seasons.

I never said we were a smart fanbase.

[popcornhog]

Quantify success for the new coach.  What best reflects your expectation for success over the first 5 year span with a new coach?

None of the above. I'd wait and see what the on field talent looks like next year, what happens to the current recruiting class, and see how the 2018 team develops.

I look for 2018 to show improvement and show signs of building toward the new coach's goals. My expectations for 2019 would be much the same. Real win loss improvement from there is expected by 2020 and by 2021 or 2022 we need to show signs of being able to compete for the SECW and showing signs of continued improvements. By then if we aren't either legitimately competing for the SECW or at least believably getting close, the new guy has failed.

[Bubba's Bruisers]

Averaging 8-5 is not too much to ask.  We play 13 games most years with 3 renta wins.  Just asking the next coach to be .500 against power 5 teams is not that lofty of a goal.

I think this is about the best possible outcome we could hope for IMO.

[Hawginj]

Improvemet week to week year to year, from week one year one. Competitive in every game played 9-10 win seasons occasionally dipping down to 8 being in the conversation for SEC championships every 3rd year is plenty of expectations for Arkansas in the SEC west no reason not to be in top 3 every year.

[31to6]

Quantify success for the new coach.  What best reflects your expectation for success over the first 5 year span with a new coach?

I don't like your options. My definition for success would be:
Year 1:
Full Pass. I personally think the team has 7 to 8 win talent. But who knows what changes a new coach brings in terms of scheme, recruiting, etc. But you don't even count losses against the coach for this year.

Years 2-5, average of these 4 years:
Below Expectations: sub-.500 conference record, more than one losing season, no meaningful bowls, no seaon over 8 wins

Meets Expectations: Average .500 in conference play. no more than one losing season (5-7). at least 1 good bowl (NYD or upper tier). at least 1 top 25 season. trajectory trending upward by season 5.

Exceeds Expectations: no losing seasons. above .500 in conference play. multiple meaningful bowls. multiple top-25 seasons. program now sustainable at this level.

Build a statue: Exceeds Expectations+SECCG/playoffs/multiple top-10 rankings, etc.

[Pecos Hog]

How about flipping it this way?  He's got 5 seasons.    He needs to an average 8+ wins per year with at least one 10+ win season.   No more than 1 or 2 SEC season records less than 0.500 in those 5 seasons either.   I expect our team to be ranked in the top 25 most of the time, particularly at the end of the year.   

[ballz2thewall]

fit
energetic
removes headset sometimes
interacts with players
coaches players
knows offense
knows defense
can be an asshhole

[Citizen2729]

Currently there have been 71 votes. "The Law of Large Numbers says that as the sample size increases the sample mean will approach the population mean. ii. ... Generally, we assume that a sample size of n = 30 is sufficient to get an approximate normal distribution for the distribution of the sample mean." So we could get 1000 more votes and still be seeing about the same distribution of votes we are seeing now. So what I see is the average expectation is a floor of 8-4 and we should not dip below that more than 1 or 2 times in any 5 year period, and I would speculate and say that tolerance would probably be based on how far above that floor we get in better performing years.

"You are what your record says you are"

[bvillepig]

Top 25 most years with an occasional run into the top 10. Competitive and not afraid to play anyone.

[Hoggiedawg]

Do better than what we have for the last 5 years.  Simple as that.  I know it's a low bar, but we have to start somewhere.

Learn how to come from behind.  Don't set world records for bad defense.  Don't get our QB killed with world class crappy OL play.

[cosmodrum]

Must wear visor and sweater vest.

[LJHOG]

Last at least 5 years wasn't a choice so I didn't vote.

[RazorbacksFTW]

I expect a 10 win season at least 1 season every 5 years.
I expect the other 4 years to be mostly 8 win seasons with 1 bad season where we only win 6-7 games.

I also expect most of our losses to be close/within 14 points during those 8 win seasons and during the 1 bad season instead of getting blown out a lot like we do now.
I guess having these realistic expectations is considered fantasy land by a lot of the people who have accepted Brets loser mentality.

[12247]

Our 2018 schedule should provide any decent coach a 7-5 record.  Of course, that does depend on defections, injuries and suspensions for 2018 season.  We should and must win the 4OOC games and then beat Vandy, OM and MO for 7 wins.  Anything else would be gravy.

I fully expect at least 6 wins the first year and 7 the second and then 8 annually with at least one 10 win season in the first 5 years.   This all depends on who and how the new coach is hired.  If we cannot find a way to hire a coach with the least baggage and then EXPECT him to produce and fire his ass if he doesn't and not wait 5 years of pud pulling later to do something.  Bret never met a reasonable expectation any of the 5 seasons he has been here.  Wanna bet if he had been at Florida, he would have been fired after the first year.  Sadly many Hogville posters stood by this cluster for the nearly 5 years and some still do.

[Pecos Hog]

How about flipping it this way?  He's got 5 seasons.    He needs to an average 8+ wins per year with at least one 10+ win season.   No more than 1 or 2 SEC season records less than 0.500 in those 5 seasons either.   I expect our team to be ranked in the top 25 most of the time, particularly at the end of the year.   

Oh and I forgot a biggie.   Have the team ready to play - at the beginning of the year and for every game.    And PLEASE don't embarrass the program with many blowout losses.   

[hogginbama]

7 wins/season would be an improvement over what we have now.

An improvement over this year, but equal to or worse than the past 3 years.

[Wildhog]

An improvement over this year, but equal to or worse than the past 3 years.

I'm talking about an average.

[hogginbama]

I'm talking about an average.

You didn't say average, you said 7-8 a year would be better than we have now. So what happens if the new guy wins 7-8 games in his first 3 years then goes off the rails in year 4? Fire and start again? Most of you guys are saying 7-8 wins a year, but were screaming for BB to be fired after years 3 and 4, when he was meeting your expectations. Just wish everyone would be honest and say that there was absolutely nothing from day 1 that the guy could have done because he was not Gus, BP, CK, JG, etc.