Arkansas Ties

[twistitup]

J Long forgot the importance of having ties to the home state. I heard on JB this morning that 1 out of 18 administrators working under J Long was from Arkansas. I guess he truly cleaned house upon arrival...didn't sit well w the Ark 💰 folks

[ShadowTheHedgehog]

J Long forgot the importance of having ties to the home state. I heard on JB this morning that 1 out of 18 administrators working under J Long was from Arkansas. I guess he truly cleaned house upon arrival...didn't sit well w the Ark 💰 folks

I hope they hire the best person for the job regardless of where he/she hails from. 1/18 sounds strange though. I am sure we have a lot of qualified admins in Arkansas, so it sounds like some kind of agenda.

[Inhogswetrust]

J Long forgot the importance of having ties to the home state. I heard on JB this morning that 1 out of 18 administrators working under J Long was from Arkansas. I guess he truly cleaned house upon arrival...didn't sit well w the Ark 💰 folks

I always wondered why he made a complete total break from the past. He had every right to establish himself as the boss and all but dang not to keep some of them is baffling when you have to deal with so many things. I do know at the time some boosters were not happy.

[Hawginj]

I hope they hire the best person for the job regardless of where he/she hails from. 1/18 sounds strange though. I am sure we have a lot of qualified admins in Arkansas, so it sounds like some kind of agenda.

truth great post.

[BigSexyHog]

I hope they hire the best person for the job regardless of where he/she hails from. 1/18 sounds strange though. I am sure we have a lot of qualified admins in Arkansas, so it sounds like some kind of agenda.

Agree.  Hire the best person for the job no matter where they are from. 

[hawg IQ]

He's a yankee ! 

[rhog1]

Agree.  Hire the best person for the job no matter where they are from. 

It should be this simple. Unfortunately too many want to stick us with Arkansans only no matter what. 

[DeuceHawg]

He probably wanted to distance himself from the Broyles administration.  Especially since he was still working with the university.

[ipigsooie]

This guy has arkansas razorback ties

[Boss Hog in the Arkansas]

Long didn't care about ties or relationships with Arkansans. His priority was milking boosters and donors of everything he could get out of them.

[Salted Pork]

Because it's simple: Most Arkansans don't have the specific skills required to run a quarter billion dollar operation. This isn't your grandpa's machine shop we're talking about. You do need to bring in outsiders who know how to get stuff done. This whole "Arkansans know best" mentality is how we had a 60% athletic graduation rate pre-Long.

[hoglady]

He probably wanted to distance himself from the Broyles administration.  Especially since he was still working with the university.

Understandable.
But should have kept a few folks on that understood the state and the traditions - it would have served him well while still moving the athletic department forward.

[hogsanity]

J Long forgot the importance of having ties to the home state. I heard on JB this morning that 1 out of 18 administrators working under J Long was from Arkansas. I guess he truly cleaned house upon arrival...didn't sit well w the Ark 💰 folks

IF the Hogville archives go back that far, go look at how many people posted they wanted the new AD, whoever it was going to end up being, to clean house to rid the school of the influence of the good ole boy network. Now, it seems everyone wants the gobn back.

[Seebs]

Would you like to tie me up with one of your ties, Ty?

[East Clintwood]

With one of these, all of your ties can be Arkansas ties.

[BadHog]

We do need a candidate that will spread good will through out the state and beyond. There is the perfect candidate whose name has not been mentioned much but brings every qualification to the table:
Smart, business guy
People person
Management skills
Insight into athletics
Actually played for the Hogs, QB
Understands the monetary responsibilities
GREAT speaker
Kevin Scanlon

[Michael D Huff AIA]

Because it's simple: Most Arkansans don't have the specific skills required to run a quarter billion dollar operation. This isn't your grandpa's machine shop we're talking about. You do need to bring in outsiders who know how to get stuff done. This whole "Arkansans know best" mentality is how we had a 60% athletic graduation rate pre-Long.

This.

[dhizzle]

The new AD just needs more than one person from Arkansas working for him. By looking at post on this board and listening to the radio that was Jeff Longs biggest downfall.

[dfwalumdad]

Because it's simple: Most Arkansans don't have the specific skills required to run a quarter billion dollar operation. This isn't your grandpa's machine shop we're talking about. You do need to bring in outsiders who know how to get stuff done. This whole "Arkansans know best" mentality is how we had a 60% athletic graduation rate pre-Long.

do you know why they call a prostitute a professional or a "pro"? because she has  no emotional attachment to her client. no passion.

we want people who have an emotional attachment to the razorbacks and we also would hope those people who would have the integrity to not cross the line ethically in pursuit of their passion for the razorbacks.

right now we have a lady from Indiana who's been in the department for a little over a year, with no ties to arkansas what so ever. who's primary function now is to bring in her replacement  who will likely fire her.

good luck with that, but hey she's a "pro" she a virgin i swear joe, she love you long time!

[go hogues]

This desire to keep it all "in the family" has always been the state of Arkansas' achilles heel.

From the national perception of inbred hillbillies to being skeptical of outside people and businesses, this state has a long history of xenophobia.

Bobby Petrino and Nolan Richardson weren't Arkansans or even southerners and they did ok here...

[BigBrandonAllenFan]

Brad Teague is doing a great job at UCA.  He is from Tennessee and is a former NASCAR driver.  All the sports programs at UCA are solid right now.

[twistitup]

This desire to keep it all "in the family" has always been the state of Arkansas' achilles heel.

From the national perception of inbred hillbillies to being skeptical of outside people and businesses, this state has a long history of xenophobia.

What country did you want to hire an AD from?


xen·o·pho·bi·a

ˌzenəˈfōbēə,ˌzēnəˈfōbēa
noun

intense or irrational dislike or fear of people from other countries.

[MountieDawg]

[hogsanity]

what, exactly, does " understands Arkansas" even mean?

[Grag T]

[RME]

what, exactly, does " understands Arkansas" even mean?

Ya know...our culture...the way we do things...our people...

Am I on track?

[hogsanity]

Ya know...our culture...the way we do things...our people...

Am I on track?

You mean still fighting the civial war, fat, undereducated, always thinking someone is out to get us, the man is always trying to keep us down----stuff like that?

[Broadway Rob]

Because it's simple: Most Arkansans don't have the specific skills required to run a quarter billion dollar operation. This isn't your grandpa's machine shop we're talking about. You do need to bring in outsiders who know how to get stuff done. This whole "Arkansans know best" mentality is how we had a 60% athletic graduation rate pre-Long.

This is complete BS.  There are tons of educated and well-versed individuals who could work well within the athletic directors office.  When Long was hired, it was a concerted effort to block out Arkansas folks. 

That was his prerogative, and I neither agree or disagree with it. 
Although, it seems as if that was ultimately the cause of his demise.   

[Grag T]

You mean still fighting the civial war, fat, undereducated, always thinking someone is out to get us, the man is always trying to keep us down----stuff like that?

No, that's BLM

[Roy Bacon]

We do need a candidate that will spread good will through out the state and beyond. There is the perfect candidate whose name has not been mentioned much but brings every qualification to the table:
Smart, business guy
People person
Management skills
Insight into athletics
Actually played for the Hogs, QB
Understands the monetary responsibilities
GREAT speaker
Kevin Scanlon

interesting ... what is he doing now ?

[ricepig]

No, that's BLM

Bureau of Land Management?

[26.2Hog]

right now we have a lady from Indiana who's been in the department for a little over a year, with no ties to arkansas what so ever. who's primary function now is to bring in her replacement  who will likely fire her.

Uh, no. She won't be hiring the new AD.

[rljjr]

This.

No. Not that. Most people don't have the ability to run multi-million dollar companies. It is not just an Arkansas thing. Stop downgrading the state -- even if that wasn't your point.

There are tons of successful business people in Arkansas. The trick is finding the right balance of smart business people with the common sense of an everyday understanding of the needs and desires of the people of Arkansas, the University, the Alumni base and the students. Culture counts.

I completely ynderstand what he was trying to do. It just didn't work. A more moderate approach is what the people need.

[razorbackfaninar]

We do need a candidate that will spread good will through out the state and beyond. There is the perfect candidate whose name has not been mentioned much but brings every qualification to the table:
Smart, business guy
People person
Management skills
Insight into athletics
Actually played for the Hogs, QB
Understands the monetary responsibilities
GREAT speaker
Kevin Scanlon

I have seen a lot of really dumb posts in the last few days but this is definitely not one of them.  I agree that he would be a good fit and matches really all the necessary criteria.  People may not like him because he's a Yankee though.   

[BadHog]

right now we have a lady from Indiana who's been in the department for a little over a year, with no ties to arkansas what so ever. who's primary function now is to bring in her replacement  who will likely fire her.

Can she go ahead and fire Bielema?

[urkillnmesmalls]

what, exactly, does " understands Arkansas" even mean?

I typed out a few paragraphs and realized...it's a waste of time.  We'll always have simple minded fans who want to have simple minded folks in positions of power, making the decisions. 

Just take one example.  JL comes in to clean up, rid the UA of the unhealthy outside influence that was impacting internal decisions, and promptly hires CBP.  It looks like a brilliant move, things are going great, and fans are showing up in droves.  Then Petrino screws up, and he gets himself fired by the UA (Again, don't kid yourself people, Jeff didn't fire him autonomously). 

A series of poor football hires ensues, even though many felt they were good on paper, and he's on the outside looking in. 

Now...we are subjected to all of the "other" things that he was doing wrong, which had ZERO to do with CBB not winning football games, beyond Jeff Long hiring him. 

I have a LOT of other rational thoughts on it, but rational doesn't seem to be the theme of the day.  We can't move on amicably on Hogville...it cannot happen.  :-) 

[urkillnmesmalls]

Can she go ahead and fire Bielema?

I'll tell you what...she can fire CBB without about as much authority and lack of influence by the UA as Jeff Long was able to fire CBP.      ZERO.  No AD makes that decision without the UA's support, and or being dictated to. 

[hogsanity]

I typed out a few paragraphs and realized...it's a waste of time.  We'll always have simple minded fans who want to have simple minded folks in positions of power, making the decisions. 

Just take one example.  JL comes in to clean up, rid the UA of the unhealthy outside influence that was impacting internal decisions, and promptly hires CBP.  It looks like a brilliant move, things are going great, and fans are showing up in droves.  Then Petrino screws up, and he gets himself fired by the UA (Again, don't kid yourself people, Jeff didn't fire him autonomously). 

A series of poor football hires ensues, even though many felt they were good on paper, and he's on the outside looking in. 

Now...we are subjected to all of the "other" things that he was doing wrong, which had ZERO to do with CBB not winning football games, beyond Jeff Long hiring him. 

I have a LOT of other rational thoughts on it, but rational doesn't seem to be the theme of the day.  We can't move on amicably on Hogville...it cannot happen.  :-) 

Basically they want whatever they do not have. Have some good ole boys in charge, they want that gone. Have outsiders in charge, they want them gone.

[sickboy]

What country did you want to hire an AD from?


xen·o·pho·bi·a

ˌzenəˈfōbēə,ˌzēnəˈfōbēa
noun

intense or irrational dislike or fear of people from other countries.

In context though, xenophobia kinda works. In the sense that you understood what he was saying. Maybe we should come up with a word that means you have a strong distrust of any person out side of your local communities. Maybe... Xylophobia. Although that sounds like you're afraid of Xylophones. That could be a thing actually. Xylophones can sound creepy.

[urkillnmesmalls]

Basically they want whatever they do not have. Have some good ole boys in charge, they want that gone. Have outsiders in charge, they want them gone.

I'm reporting this second hand...but from a reliable source.  Take it for what it's worth.  When Nolan was on the hot seat, and went bonkers in that press conference daring us to fire him, I was told that John Tyson was in Broyle's office within hours insisting he be canned immediately.  Frank told him it wasn't that easy, and that there was also some big retirement guarantees and other things that the UA would be on the hook for paying.  JT pulled out his checkbook and said, "How much?" 

Now...I wasn't standing there, but that's the type of influence that we are talking about back in the GOBN days.  I don't see how that can possibly be healthy for the UA moving forward.  If the Stephens come forward and say, "We'll offer x in funding and help with funding a WMS remodel, if you'll keep one conference game in WMS a year," then that's fine.  Weigh that out...what makes sense?  But if it turns into, "I'm not sending a penny more to the school unless you fire coach A, hire contracter B for the construction project, and put player x,y, and z on scholarship," then that's a different story.  That was absolutely going on back in the day.  It takes a lot of savvy and business knowledge to know how to appease that many people, and you can't just hire anyone to do it.     

You can entertain offers...but you can't cower to threats.  I think JL was charged with eliminating that element from the UA athletics, and now people want to crucify him for it.  Did he potentially go overboard?  I think probably so, but again...if CBB was winning, we aren't even typing right now.   

[jvanhorn]

do you know why they call a prostitute a professional or a "pro"? because she has  no emotional attachment to her client. no passion.

we want people who have an emotional attachment to the razorbacks and we also would hope those people who would have the integrity to not cross the line ethically in pursuit of their passion for the razorbacks.

right now we have a lady from Indiana who's been in the department for a little over a year, with no ties to arkansas what so ever. who's primary function now is to bring in her replacement  who will likely fire her.

good luck with that, but hey she's a "pro" she a virgin i swear joe, she love you long time!

This is an interesting rant.  It doesn't make much sense and rambles all over the place, but it is kind of interesting, lol.

[aloha_kid]

Ya know...our culture...the way we do things...our people...

Am I on track?

Interesting take.  I wonder how many people in NW Arkansas moved there in the past 20 years.  I wonder if they understand the culture, or do they understand business.  Seems to me, NW Arkansas is a shadow of what it used to be.  One need only visit Bentonville, Rogers or any other town in NW Arkansas to realize, it isn't what it used to be and that the culture shifted drastically.

[KlubhouseKonnected]

This is an interesting rant.  It doesn't make much sense and rambles all over the place, but it is kind of interesting, lol.

Ha

[KlubhouseKonnected]

In context though, xenophobia kinda works. In the sense that you understood what he was saying. Maybe we should come up with a word that means you have a strong distrust of any person out side of your local communities. Maybe... Xylophobia. Although that sounds like you're afraid of Xylophones. That could be a thing actually. Xylophones can sound creepy.

I have always appreciated the way you think

[311Hog]

i don't understand the Arkansas Ties part. I mean our Chancellor doesn't have Arkansas ties is he the next to go?  are we about to purge anyone and everyone that works for the UofA that doesn't have a tie to the state?

[KlubhouseKonnected]

Bureau of Land Management?

Must be, surely he is not so casual a bigot as to have meant anything else.

[Athog]

J Long forgot the importance of having ties to the home state. I heard on JB this morning that 1 out of 18 administrators working under J Long was from Arkansas. I guess he truly cleaned house upon arrival...didn't sit well w the Ark 💰 folks

Better hire best people for the job not worry about the
Inbreeding! Only the insecure would want people just from
Arkansas. We do not want just players just from Arkansas ..do we?

[KlubhouseKonnected]

I'm reporting this second hand...but from a reliable source.  Take it for what it's worth.  When Nolan was on the hot seat, and went bonkers in that press conference daring us to fire him, I was told that John Tyson was in Broyle's office within hours insisting he be canned immediately.  Frank told him it wasn't that easy, and that there was also some big retirement guarantees and other things that the UA would be on the hook for paying.  JT pulled out his checkbook and said, "How much?" 

Now...I wasn't standing there, but that's the type of influence that we are talking about back in the GOBN days.  I don't see how that can possibly be healthy for the UA moving forward.  If the Stephens come forward and say, "We'll offer x in funding and help with funding a WMS remodel, if you'll keep one conference game in WMS a year," then that's fine.  Weigh that out...what makes sense?  But if it turns into, "I'm not sending a penny more to the school unless you fire coach A, hire contracter B for the construction project, and put player x,y, and z on scholarship," then that's a different story.  That was absolutely going on back in the day.  It takes a lot of savvy and business knowledge to know how to appease that many people, and you can't just hire anyone to do it.     

You can entertain offers...but you can't cower to threats.  I think JL was charged with eliminating that element from the UA athletics, and now people want to crucify him for it.  Did he potentially go overboard?  I think probably so, but again...if CBB was winning, we aren't even typing right now.   

This last sentence needs to be stamped on all these threads. Every single one.

[HawgWild]

Because it's simple: Most Arkansans don't have the specific skills required to run a quarter billion dollar operation.

I'm guessing this statement is true in all states. It only takes a couple though. Right Sam? Don? JB?

[buldozer]

Because it's simple: Most Arkansans don't have the specific skills required to run a quarter billion dollar operation. This isn't your grandpa's machine shop we're talking about. You do need to bring in outsiders who know how to get stuff done. This whole "Arkansans know best" mentality is how we had a 60% athletic graduation rate pre-Long.

This has to be the stupidest post I have ever read on this board. Total BS by an non-arkansan who knows nothing about Arkansas obviously.