How can you justify this?

[Hoggie17]

Bret Bielema's record against FBS schools Is 20 – 27 and his record against power 5 conference schools is 14-26. For this losing record Long is paying CBB 4.4 billion a year. Since CBB has been at Arkansas Long has already paid CBB over $16 million dollars. Yes for a losing record into his 5th year Long has paid CBB over $16 million dollars, let that sink in because it gets worse. For this record Long has given CBB a contract for $15.4 million buy out if he is fired before 12/31/2017. This is the second biggest potential buyout in college football history. $16 million plus $15.4 comes to $31.4 million, that's not bad to be a loser.

To sum this all up Neither CBB nor Jeff Long are doing their job. Jeff Long is throwing money at Bret Bielema like a drunken sailor on leave in a red light district and CBB is losing games that would have gotten him fired at most any other school in the SEC like yesterday.

[island hog]

the horse is dead

[Redhogs]

You can't.

[hawganatic]

Working on your post count today?

This same info has been posted and reposted in 18,000 different threads in the last week.

[Hoggish1]

the horse is dead

So, beat it some more.

[PorkRinds]

Bret Bielema's record against FBS schools Is 20 – 27 and his record against power 5 conference schools is 14-26. For this losing record Long is paying CBB 4.4 billion a year. Since CBB has been at Arkansas Long has already paid CBB over $16 million dollars. Yes for a losing record into his 5th year Long has paid CBB over $16 million dollars, let that sink in because it gets worse. For this record Long has given CBB a contract for $15.4 million buy out if he is fired before 12/31/2017. This is the second biggest potential buyout in college football history. $16 million plus $15.4 comes to $31.4 million, that's not bad to be a loser.

To sum this all up Neither CBB nor Jeff Long are doing their job. Jeff Long is throwing money at Bret Bielema like a drunken sailor on leave in a red light district and CBB is losing games that would have gotten him fired at most any other school in the SEC like yesterday.

When did he start getting paid 4.4 billion a year?

[Bacon_Bitz]

I've seen the 14-27 stat a lot. 9 of those losses came in the year 1 reset.

[Hoggie17]

The lost games continue to mount, the last 2 games last season and half of the games this season. CBB has lost 3 out 4 of the last 4 games he has coached.

[TrueBlue]

I think for 4.4 billion, we could have gotten Saban AND Gruden AND dug up Bear Bryant and Lombardi.

You're right that is way too much.

[jst01]

I'll play devils advocate:

Per 2016 salaries, BB was 8th in the SEC. With Miles and Freeze gone now, he may be right in the middle of SEC coaches. New hire Kirby Smart is making like $400k less than him at his first head coach gig. Everyone needs to get off the "we aren't getting our moneys worth" argument, it sounds like an extremely lazy argument.  The records and results speak for themselves whether he is making $1MM or $4MM per year.

[jkstock04]

Bret Bielema's record against FBS schools Is 20 – 27 and his record against power 5 conference schools is 14-26. For this losing record Long is paying CBB 4.4 billion a year. Since CBB has been at Arkansas Long has already paid CBB over $16 million dollars. Yes for a losing record into his 5th year Long has paid CBB over $16 million dollars, let that sink in because it gets worse. For this record Long has given CBB a contract for $15.4 million buy out if he is fired before 12/31/2017. This is the second biggest potential buyout in college football history. $16 million plus $15.4 comes to $31.4 million, that's not bad to be a loser.

To sum this all up Neither CBB nor Jeff Long are doing their job. Jeff Long is throwing money at Bret Bielema like a drunken sailor on leave in a red light district and CBB is losing games that would have gotten him fired at most any other school in the SEC like yesterday.

People justify it because they say the 1st year doesn't count.

[EastexHawg]

I've seen the 14-27 stat a lot. 9 of those losses came in the year 1 reset.

Reset?  2013 wasn't like SMU coming back from the death penalty in the early 90s with a bunch of walk-ons and freshmen.  Did Brandon Allen, Jonathan Williams, Alex Collins, Travis Swanson, Brey Cook, Denver Kirkland, Keon Hatcher, Hunter Henry, Jeremy Sprinkle, Kiero Small, Zach Hocker, Chris Smith, Trey Flowers, Darius Philon, Deatrich Wise, Robert Thomas, Martrell Spaight, Rohan Gaines, Jared Collins, Alan Turner, and Tevin Mitchel know they were part of a "reset", or did they think they were part of an SEC football program?

[BigE_23]

I've seen the 14-27 stat a lot. 9 of those losses came in the year 1 reset.

And there were at least 3 in that season that could've been won...stop using the 2013 year as an excuse.

[10thPlanet]

Reset?  2013 wasn't like SMU coming back from the death penalty in the early 90s with a bunch of walk-ons and freshmen.  Did Brandon Allen, Jonathan Williams, Alex Collins, Travis Swanson, Brey Cook, Denver Kirkland, Keon Hatcher, Hunter Henry, Jeremy Sprinkle, Kiero Small, Zach Hocker, Chris Smith, Trey Flowers, Darius Philon, Deatrich Wise, Robert Thomas, Martrell Spaight, Rohan Gaines, Jared Collins, Alan Turner, and Tevin Mitchel know they were part of a "reset", or did they think they were part of an SEC football program?

East, those are some damn good football players. Wish they had some eligibility left.

[srange98]

Working on your post count today?

This same info has been posted and reposted in 18,000 different threads in the last week.

You mean it's not a Hot Taek?!

[Seebs]

The salary for anybody you bring in here starts at $4MM. Why in the world is 4MM always brought up when it is not even close to the highest in the West? Get over the salary folks, it is not going down and the next guy that comes in here may do marginally better, marginally worse,  and will still be making at least $4MM.

I think the reason this troubles many of you is that we all made fun of those players majoring in Kinesiology and now their minimum salary for an assistance coaching job in $300K.  Nice gigs.

[Hoggie17]

The salary for anybody you bring in here starts at $4MM. Why in the world is 4MM always brought up when it is not even close to the highest in the West? Get over the salary folks, it is not going down and the next guy that comes in here may do marginally better, marginally worse,  and will still be making at least $4MM.

I think the reason this troubles many of you is that we all made fun of those players majoring in Kinesiology and now their minimum salary for an assistance coaching job in $300K.  Nice gigs.

I would be OK with a $7 million/year salary if we made a run at the SEC west championship game every 5 years, if we  had decent record against top 5 power teams. 

[Hoggie17]

I want a coach that can win.

[rljjr]

Bret Bielema's record against FBS schools Is 20 – 27 and his record against power 5 conference schools is 14-26. For this losing record Long is paying CBB 4.4 billion a year. Since CBB has been at Arkansas Long has already paid CBB over $16 million dollars. Yes for a losing record into his 5th year Long has paid CBB over $16 million dollars, let that sink in because it gets worse. For this record Long has given CBB a contract for $15.4 million buy out if he is fired before 12/31/2017. This is the second biggest potential buyout in college football history. $16 million plus $15.4 comes to $31.4 million, that's not bad to be a loser.

To sum this all up Neither CBB nor Jeff Long are doing their job. Jeff Long is throwing money at Bret Bielema like a drunken sailor on leave in a red light district and CBB is losing games that would have gotten him fired at most any other school in the SEC like yesterday.

4.4 BILLION? Per year? If that's true then the buyout is peanuts.

[hogcard1964]

I'll play devils advocate:

Per 2016 salaries, BB was 8th in the SEC. With Miles and Freeze gone now, he may be right in the middle of SEC coaches. New hire Kirby Smart is making like $400k less than him at his first head coach gig. Everyone needs to get off the "we aren't getting our moneys worth" argument, it sounds like an extremely lazy argument.  The records and results speak for themselves whether he is making $1MM or $4MM per year.

He has the 7th most lucrative contract package currently in all of college football.

[Hoggie17]

He has the 7th most lucrative contract package currently in all of college football.

And the second highest buyout clause in college football history, you can see Sabin getting buy out like that but with a losing record???

[DoctorSusscrofa]

1. No buyout has actually been paid yet. It may be at some point, but not yet.
2. The buyout wouldn't be that big a deal if had just won the last two last year.
3. Half of this year's games at this point is still 1 game. The losses may grow a lot, but he's not going to be fired and bought out until they do, if then.
4.  It's still possible he and Long may work out something reducing the buyout. We don't know. He might be close to wanting to leave.
5.  We gambled by getting an established coach and paying him at great coach level. We lost that bet. But we didn't know that for certain until we made the bet. If he'd succeeded, and won 4 or 5 more winnable games, nobody would be howling about the buyout. The difference is that close. Four or five games. One or two more in 2015. And/or 2 or 3 in 2016 plus the TCU game and people would be fairly happy. It didn't happen, but there were enough near misses that it could have.

[tbhogfan]

Bret Bielema's record against FBS schools Is 20 – 27 and his record against power 5 conference schools is 14-26. For this losing record Long is paying CBB 4.4 billion a year. Since CBB has been at Arkansas Long has already paid CBB over $16 million dollars. Yes for a losing record into his 5th year Long has paid CBB over $16 million dollars, let that sink in because it gets worse. For this record Long has given CBB a contract for $15.4 million buy out if he is fired before 12/31/2017. This is the second biggest potential buyout in college football history. $16 million plus $15.4 comes to $31.4 million, that's not bad to be a loser.

To sum this all up Neither CBB nor Jeff Long are doing their job. Jeff Long is throwing money at Bret Bielema like a drunken sailor on leave in a red light district and CBB is losing games that would have gotten him fired at most any other school in the SEC like yesterday.

For me, the money is irrelevant.  Whether he's being paid $4M or $4, we're in year 5 now. 

Bobby Petrino in his 3rd and 4th year was 10-3 and 11-2 with a 6-2 SEC record each year.
Houston Nutt in year 5 was 9-5, tied for first in the SEC West, played in the SEC Title Game (this was his SECOND SEC Title game in his first five years).  At this point in his fifth season he had beaten perennial pansies Boise State and South Florida.

I'm tired of the "we're poor ole Arkansas, no good coach will come here, we can't recruit, winning isn't everything"  garbage.   Our last two non interim coaches have PROVEN that Arkansas can win in the SEC within five years. 

It's time for CBB to put up or shut up, regardless of how much money he makes.

[hogcard1964]

And the second highest buyout clause in college football history, you can see Sabin getting buy out like that but with a losing record???

From every aspect...length, annual salary, the exorbitant one sided buyout...   it's far and away the worst contract in college football currently.  The University of Arkansas is literally making him rich to lose more games than he wins.

[Hoggie17]

For me, the money is irrelevant.  Whether he's being paid $4M or $4, we're in year 5 now. 

Bobby Petrino in his 3rd and 4th year was 10-3 and 11-2 with a 6-2 SEC record each year.
Houston Nutt in year 5 was 9-5, tied for first in the SEC West, played in the SEC Title Game (this was his SECOND SEC Title game in his first five years).  At this point in his fifth season he had beaten perennial pansies Boise State and South Florida.

I'm tired of the "we're poor ole Arkansas, no good coach will come here, we can't recruit, winning isn't everything"  garbage.   Our last two non interim coaches have PROVEN that Arkansas can win in the SEC within five years. 

It's time for CBB to put up or shut up, regardless of how much money he makes.

This way I feel exactly, we are not poor little Arkansas we are winners and we can get a good coach.

[Hoggiedawg]

We're stuck with him till the end of next season unless he only wins 3 or 4 games this year and it's still possible that kind of record  won't get him released.

[DoctorSusscrofa]

For me, the money is irrelevant.  Whether he's being paid $4M or $4, we're in year 5 now. 

Bobby Petrino in his 3rd and 4th year was 10-3 and 11-2 with a 6-2 SEC record each year.
Houston Nutt in year 5 was 9-5, tied for first in the SEC West, played in the SEC Title Game (this was his SECOND SEC Title game in his first five years).  At this point in his fifth season he had beaten perennial pansies Boise State and South Florida.

I'm tired of the "we're poor ole Arkansas, no good coach will come here, we can't recruit, winning isn't everything"  garbage.   Our last two non interim coaches have PROVEN that Arkansas can win in the SEC within five years. 

It's time for CBB to put up or shut up, regardless of how much money he makes.

Both of those two coaches that "won" were hated by enough people they still get extreme vitriol even today. And neither one won the SEC or played for a Natty. They both got fans griping at them for losing big games. And our next season tanked (losing records) after both left.

[Dominicanhog]

East, those are some damn good football players. Wish they had some eligibility left.

,

a lot of Pro's ... hard to believe the record those players produced over the last 5 years...

[Hoggie17]

,

a lot of Pro's ... hard to believe the record those players produced over the last 5 years...

Yes, those were some very good players and the 2 coaches, Nutt and BP, before what we have now would have won  9 games or more. I don't count Smith because he was only hired for one year.

[Hawgzinbowlz]

So, beat it some more.

Therapeutic for some.

" GO HOGS "

[Hawgzinbowlz]

For me, the money is irrelevant.  Whether he's being paid $4M or $4, we're in year 5 now. 

...It's time for CBB to put up or shut up, regardless of how much money he makes.

It's past time.

" GO HOGS "

[tbhogfan]

Both of those two coaches that "won" were hated by enough people they still get extreme vitriol even today. And neither one won the SEC or played for a Natty. They both got fans griping at them for losing big games. And our next season tanked (losing records) after both left.

Would you rather gripe about losing an SEC Championship game or getting our butts kicked by TCU at home?

[Dominicanhog]

Therapeutic for some.

" GO HOGS "

dead horses aren't safe when the team looks like it has the last 3 losses...if CBB had a horse. it'd probably be dead and they'd be beating the ship out of it too,,,

[LRHawg]

the "we were really close to winning a few more games" argument doesn't hold water, folks. We were an elephant's butt hair from losing several as well.

[Hoggie17]

Would you rather gripe about losing an SEC Championship game or getting our butts kicked by TCU at home?

Any real Arkansas fan would rather be in the SEC Championship game. Real is the Key word.

[Dominicanhog]

the "we were really close to winning a few more games" argument doesn't hold water, folks. We were an elephant's butt hair from losing several as well.

The old proverb .. You are what your record says you are...

[Hoggie17]

We are winners, think of you self as winners.  We can get another CBP.

[Hawgzinbowlz]

1. No buyout has actually been paid yet. It may be at some point, but not yet.
2. The buyout wouldn't be that big a deal if had just won the last two last year.
3. Half of this year's games at this point is still 1 game. The losses may grow a lot, but he's not going to be fired and bought out until they do, if then.
4.  It's still possible he and Long may work out something reducing the buyout. We don't know. He might be close to wanting to leave.
5.  We gambled by getting an established coach and paying him at great coach level. We lost that bet. But we didn't know that for certain until we made the bet. If he'd succeeded, and won 4 or 5 more winnable games, nobody would be howling about the buyout. The difference is that close. Four or five games. One or two more in 2015. And/or 2 or 3 in 2016 plus the TCU game and people would be fairly happy. It didn't happen, but there were enough near misses that it could have.

1.As a team we folded up in the locker room before the '16 Auburn game.
2.We folded at halftime in the Missouri game.
3.We folded at halftime in the VT bowl game.
4.Our offense could not execute in the TCU game.

The culture CBB has established in his 5th year is not trending toward "giving Hog Fans something they've never had, an SEC Championship"...And the buyout is astounding.

[hog of steele]

I wish some sec school would go out and do what has been suggested here. Go out and find the best coach you can find for under 1 million a year. Let's see what kind of team you get if you pay less than market value for a coach. There will be plenty of HS coaches who would take the million but I bet they wouldn't get 5 wins a year.


CBB is not paid outlandishly. (Unless that billions wasn't a typo)

CBB is not a terrible coach. He may not be a great coach but he is getting results that are about average for Arkansas. Losing to a ranked team is not unexpected.

IF you want to rant about CBB's contract, talk about the extension of the buyout. That is the ridiculous part.

[hog of steele]

The culture CBB has established in his 5th year is not trending toward "giving Hog Fans something they've never had, an SEC Championship"...And the buyout is astounding.

In it's original form that buyout made all the sense in the world. It guaranteed the coach 5 years to get it done. Jeff should have extended the contract after beating texas but allowed the buyout to sunset. That would have given him his token raise for having a team that looked to be trending up. It would have also moved his job security to where it should be in year five. At this point job security should be based on quality of performance.

The buyout made sense. Extending the buyout is just a head scratcher.

[mckinneyhog5]

I would be OK with a $7 million/year salary if we made a run at the SEC west championship game every 5 years, if we  had decent record against top 5 power teams. 

I'm calling BS...if he didn't win enough (9 or more) his first 3 years, you'd be calling for his head.

[hogcard1964]

I wish some sec school would go out and do what has been suggested here. Go out and find the best coach you can find for under 1 million a year. Let's see what kind of team you get if you pay less than market value for a coach. There will be plenty of HS coaches who would take the million but I bet they wouldn't get 5 wins a year.


CBB is not paid outlandishly. (Unless that billions wasn't a typo)

CBB is not a terrible coach. He may not be a great coach but he is getting results that are about average for Arkansas. Losing to a ranked team is not unexpected.

IF you want to rant about CBB's contract, talk about the extension of the buyout. That is the ridiculous part.

Somewhat true, but it prompts the question... if Long actually believes what he spouted off a few days ago (and several other times) that wins aren't all that important, or "aren't the only thing that matters", why throw so much money at a guy to coach?  ...and why try to handcuff the school from rightly firing him?

[hogcard1964]

I'm calling BS...if he didn't win enough (9 or more) his first 3 years, you'd be calling for his head.

As everyone would and should.

[mckinneyhog5]

As everyone would and should.

Uh no, that's the problem with the reactionary crowd.

[hog of steele]

Somewhat true, but it prompts the question... if Long actually believes what he spouted off a few days ago (and several other times) that wins aren't all that important, or "aren't the only thing that matters", why throw so much money at a guy to coach?  ...and why try to handcuff the school from rightly firing him?

Not buying that interpretation of Long's ideas. Long believes it is possible to win with integrity. If it can be done, it would take a rare person to do it. I believe CBB has integrity. Long believed/believes he can win. So you pay for that combination.

Honestly, CBB was a good bet. He was a coach who established that he could win at high levels at a school that shares some of Arkansas's disadvantages. It looks like that bet is not going to pay off. But losing a good bet doesn't make you a bad gambler.

Extending the buyout is the only real problem. If we finish this season with 7 or more losses then Long will have a chance to prove his AD credentials. Can he negotiate out of this buyout? Can he pay the buyout and find a credible coach for what is left in the budget? If he can pull that rabbit out of his hat, he will prove to be a great AD.

[hogcard1964]

Uh no, that's the problem with the reactionary crowd.

That "reaction" proved to be just.

[BoynamedWooPigSooie]

The truth is Bielema has consistently underperformed and has the program regressing even with recruiting better than HDN or Petrino.

The guy isn't cut out for this job.

[jcharkansas]

We're stuck with him till the end of next season unless he only wins 3 or 4 games this year and it's still possible that kind of record  won't get him released.

I think we are stuck with him through next season regardless of his record, I hope that's not the case but Long is sold on him it seems. Maybe he will end up wanting out and the buy out will be reduced enough to let him go.

[hogcard1964]

Not buying that interpretation of Long's ideas. Long believes it is possible to win with integrity. If it can be done, it would take a rare person to do it. I believe CBB has integrity. Long believed/believes he can win. So you pay for that combination.

Honestly, CBB was a good bet. He was a coach who established that he could win at high levels at a school that shares some of Arkansas's disadvantages. It looks like that bet is not going to pay off. But losing a good bet doesn't make you a bad gambler.

Extending the buyout is the only real problem. If we finish this season with 7 or more losses then Long will have a chance to prove his AD credentials. Can he negotiate out of this buyout? Can he pay the buyout and find a credible coach for what is left in the budget? If he can pull that rabbit out of his hat, he will prove to be a great AD.

I'm sorry but Long has a horrible track record of hiring football coaches.  If the board allows him to have any say so, in the next hire, there's a good chance it's going to be another pooch screw.

[Pigsknuckles]

I think for 4.4 billion, we could have gotten Saban AND Gruden AND dug up Bear Bryant and Lombardi.

You're right that is way too much.

Plus a couple of new B-1 bombers.