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Is Whaley the main running back now?

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Sorry if this has been answered,  but I don't pay much attention to football news during the Summer.  Is he expected to be it,  or is there any other running backs that have stepped up?
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That would be the natural expectation from everyone.

Has had a year to learn the offense and blocking responsibilities critical of our starting running back.

I seriously doubt that he will be overtaken in camp.
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Quote from: SooiecidetillNuttgone on July 16, 2017, 04:09:59 am
No he isn't.

He's probably not THE main running back, but he is the Razorbacks' main running back.

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The grad transfer from south Carolina is a talented back with a lot of experience playing in the SEC. He's going to be a great backup to Whaley I think. But I do think Whaley's well in the lead for the bulk of the carries unless he proves ineffective.

sickboy

Whaley is RB1 right now. There might be a RB1A and RB1B come season, but right now it's Whaley.

WilsonHog

Devwah certainly has the advantage over Maleek or David, just from being in the program for a year. Plus, he has a nice burst and some shiftiness in the open field. However, I hope we see a return to a more equal division of the workload, like we had with JWill and Buddha. RWIII carried the bulk of the load for us last year, but I think we need at least two reliable backs to withstand the wear and tear of the SEC.

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Quote from: WilsonHog on July 16, 2017, 12:23:49 pm
Devwah certainly has the advantage over Maleek or David, just from being in the program for a year. Plus, he has a nice burst and some shiftiness in the open field. However, I hope we see a return to a more equal division of the workload, like we had with JWill and Buddha. RWIII carried the bulk of the load for us last year, but I think we need at least two reliable backs to withstand the wear and tear of the SEC.

I'm hoping maleek, David, and chase surprise all of us this year. We will find out for sure if they will be premier backs in the sec. That's one position where youth doesn't matter.


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Quote from: AP85 on July 16, 2017, 04:58:49 pm
I'm hoping maleek, David, and chase surprise all of us this year. We will find out for sure if they will be premier backs in the sec. That's one position where youth doesn't matter.


Well yes and no. Certainly great talent is going to make great plays at an early age at RB and you will see flashes of exceptional talent. But, in our system a RB also has to be not only able to block, but know who to block and how to adjust to calls at the LOS in that process. Not being able to be an effective blocker in our system will limit your touches every time. So there is more to it than being a big play maker once you break the LOS, though that is a valuable trait.
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Quote from: AP85 on July 16, 2017, 04:58:49 pm
I'm hoping maleek, David, and chase surprise all of us this year. We will find out for sure if they will be premier backs in the sec. That's one position where youth doesn't matter.

Not having a handle on blocking responsibilities will keep you on the bench more often than not in a pro-style offense.
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Quote from: Großer Kriegschwein on July 16, 2017, 05:06:05 pm
Not having a handle on blocking responsibilities will keep you on the bench more often than not in a pro-style offense.

Agreed and you have to learn to read "the creases" for cut-backs as they develop. We even had RW III miss the "crease" or "hole" last year vs. A&M that would have allowed him a path into the EZ. He made a mis-read and was tackled short of the EZ. That is another factor as well.
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Quote from: MuskogeeHogFan on July 16, 2017, 05:02:27 pm
Well yes and no. Certainly great talent is going to make great plays at an early age at RB and you will see flashes of exceptional talent. But, in our system a RB also has to be not only able to block, but know who to block and how to adjust to calls at the LOS in that process. Not being able to be an effective blocker in our system will limit your touches every time. So there is more to it than being a big play maker once you break the LOS, though that is a valuable trait.

I think DW's average per yard was as much or more than RWIII. So conventional wisdom would say DW should have carried the ball the most.

But as you point out he was still learning the blocking schemes. JUST running the rock will not get you a starting position within CDE's system.
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Quote from: ChitownHawg on July 16, 2017, 05:14:35 pm
I think DW's average per yard was as much or more than RWIII. So conventional wisdom would say DW should have carried the ball the most.

But as you point out he was still learning the blocking schemes. JUST running the rock will not get you a starting position within CDE's system.

RW III: 5.55 yds p/rush
Whaley: 5.47 yds p/rush

Both good.
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Quote from: MuskogeeHogFan on July 16, 2017, 05:23:21 pm
RW III: 5.55 yds p/rush
Whaley: 5.47 yds p/rush

Both good.

Dang, my memory fails me again. I'm not doing this aging thing very well.  ;D
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Quote from: MuskogeeHogFan on July 16, 2017, 05:23:21 pm
RW III: 5.55 yds p/rush
Whaley: 5.47 yds p/rush

Both good.

yep,  and it might be more fair to compare freshmen years.  Did RWIII avg. over 5 yds as a freshman?




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Quote from: threeNout on July 16, 2017, 05:53:15 pm
yep,  and it might be more fair to compare freshmen years.  Did RWIII avg. over 5 yds as a freshman?

Nope.

RWIII 2015 (freshman) stats: 56 carries - 254 yards - 4.54 YPC - 1 TD
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Whaley is the main back, but Maleek will be very difficult to deal with for opposing defenses.
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So I hear.

I hope we have 3 thousand yard rushers this year. I hope to see us throw the ball maybe 25-30 times and run 40-45 times.

That will take some pressure off Austin and maximize the talent we have on the OL.
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Frankly I hope they've been practicing some shotgun sets.  Austin needs to be healthy for us to have any chance at a good season and seeing the rush will help.  Plus, handing off to the halfback after scanning the receivers is almost like a scramble except -you know- not getting your quarterback killed.

The old split backs out of the shotgun would be interesting too.  Release one to wheel and the other to stay and block or take the handoff would be a nice option to have especially if you have a speedster in there as a wheelman -Hammonds anyone?
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Quote from: AP85 on July 16, 2017, 04:58:49 pm
That's one position where youth doesn't matter.

I would agree with it matters the least. But even at RB youth does matter

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Quote from: factchecker on July 16, 2017, 07:25:30 pm
Nope.

RWIII 2015 (freshman) stats: 56 carries - 254 yards - 4.54 YPC - 1 TD

But did have a neck injury and miss the final 6 games.

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Quote from: HOGINTENNESSEE on July 16, 2017, 09:11:53 pm
I would agree with it matters the least. But even at RB youth does matter

It didn't matter to a guy named McFadden.
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Quote from: bigpigpimpin on July 17, 2017, 09:39:33 am
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Quote from: Mike_e on July 16, 2017, 09:01:39 pm
Frankly I hope they've been practicing some shotgun sets.  Austin needs to be healthy for us to have any chance at a good season and seeing the rush will help.  Plus, handing off to the halfback after scanning the receivers is almost like a scramble except -you know- not getting your quarterback killed.

The old split backs out of the shotgun would be interesting too.  Release one to wheel and the other to stay and block or take the handoff would be a nice option to have especially if you have a speedster in there as a wheelman -Hammonds anyone?

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Quote from: GuvHog on July 17, 2017, 09:34:51 am
It didn't matter to a guy named McFadden.

His big toe says otherwise.

Not to mention that he was rarely asked to pass block. We handed the ball off to him 70% of the time, the other 30% he was running a route.
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Quote from: Großer Kriegschwein on July 17, 2017, 05:49:39 pm
His big toe says otherwise.

Not to mention that he was rarely asked to pass block. We handed the ball off to him 70% of the time, the other 30% he was running a route.
But he was asked to pass sometimes, so you may need to adjust your %'s a little.

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Quote from: GuvHog on July 17, 2017, 09:34:51 am
It didn't matter to a guy named McFadden.

When you throw the ball 8-10 times a game rb pass blocking needs less polish
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Quote from: Porkchop#1 on July 17, 2017, 09:19:43 pm
But he was asked to pass sometimes, so you may need to adjust your %'s a little.

I was rounding up.
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Quote from: GuvHog on July 17, 2017, 09:34:51 am
It didn't matter to a guy named McFadden.

I must have missed where his Freshman year was better than the next two

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Quote from: HOGINTENNESSEE on July 17, 2017, 10:45:38 pm
I must have missed where his Freshman year was better than the next two

His freshman year wasn't as good as his last 2 because Hooty didn't start him until after the loss to Vandy.
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Quote from: MuskogeeHogFan on July 16, 2017, 05:02:27 pm
Well yes and no. Certainly great talent is going to make great plays at an early age at RB and you will see flashes of exceptional talent. But, in our system a RB also has to be not only able to block, but know who to block and how to adjust to calls at the LOS in that process. Not being able to be an effective blocker in our system will limit your touches every time. So there is more to it than being a big play maker once you break the LOS, though that is a valuable trait.
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Come on you guys, use your brain.

Devwah will be #1.  Over 1000
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RBs in our offense is allowed a lot of freedom in choosing the best hole to run through and many times it is not th hole where the play is called.   So much is instincts that is born in a player.  That is the reason we see so many freshmen RBs do well.  So we will see.  The big problem with freshmen RBs is blocking so that is where I am glad we signed the sr transfer.  I hope he does well and is a great leader.

moses_007

I think David Williams, the grad transfer from South Carolina, may very well earn the #1 running back spot.  Williams is a good runner, and a very good receiver out of the backfield as well.

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David Williams will not be the RB1.   If he is Arkansas is in big trouble.  Whaley will be 1.  Mallick, chase and  TJ will be 2a, 2b, and 2c.

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Devwah 1
Hammonds 2a
Maleek 2b
Hayden 2c
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Today, Whaley is #1 and it's not even close.  By mid-season we may be back to having 1A and 1B the way we want to, but that's hard to predict.  Whaley has all the natural talent to put himself into the top 5 backs in Razorback history.  If he lives up to potential, the next two years are going to be a lot of fun to watch. 

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Quote from: rhames on July 16, 2017, 05:41:17 am

Yeah. Lol he is.

Quote from: Bacons Rebellion on July 16, 2017, 07:56:29 am
He's probably not THE main running back, but he is the Razorbacks' main running back.

Sorry.  I considered the question so absurd I responded with sarcasm.
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Devwah 1
Hammonds 2a
Maleek 2b
Hayden 2c

Early season
Devwah 1
Maleek 2
Hamonds/Williams 3

Late seasons
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Maleek 1b
Hammonds/Williams 2

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