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Is Whaley the main running back now?
« on: July 15, 2017, 08:35:36 pm »

Sorry if this has been answered,  but I don't pay much attention to football news during the Summer.  Is he expected to be it,  or is there any other running backs that have stepped up?
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Re: Is Whaley the main running back now?
« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2017, 08:40:21 pm »

That would be the natural expectation from everyone.

Has had a year to learn the offense and blocking responsibilities critical of our starting running back.

I seriously doubt that he will be overtaken in camp.
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Re: Is Whaley the main running back now?
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2017, 04:09:59 am »

No he isn't.
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Re: Is Whaley the main running back now?
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2017, 05:41:17 am »

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Re: Is Whaley the main running back now?
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2017, 07:56:29 am »

No he isn't.

He's probably not THE main running back, but he is the Razorbacks' main running back.
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Re: Is Whaley the main running back now?
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2017, 09:52:02 am »

The grad transfer from south Carolina is a talented back with a lot of experience playing in the SEC. He's going to be a great backup to Whaley I think. But I do think Whaley's well in the lead for the bulk of the carries unless he proves ineffective.
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Re: Is Whaley the main running back now?
« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2017, 12:09:08 pm »

Whaley is RB1 right now. There might be a RB1A and RB1B come season, but right now it's Whaley.
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Re: Is Whaley the main running back now?
« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2017, 12:23:49 pm »

Devwah certainly has the advantage over Maleek or David, just from being in the program for a year. Plus, he has a nice burst and some shiftiness in the open field. However, I hope we see a return to a more equal division of the workload, like we had with JWill and Buddha. RWIII carried the bulk of the load for us last year, but I think we need at least two reliable backs to withstand the wear and tear of the SEC.
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Re: Is Whaley the main running back now?
« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2017, 04:58:49 pm »

Devwah certainly has the advantage over Maleek or David, just from being in the program for a year. Plus, he has a nice burst and some shiftiness in the open field. However, I hope we see a return to a more equal division of the workload, like we had with JWill and Buddha. RWIII carried the bulk of the load for us last year, but I think we need at least two reliable backs to withstand the wear and tear of the SEC.

I'm hoping maleek, David, and chase surprise all of us this year. We will find out for sure if they will be premier backs in the sec. That's one position where youth doesn't matter.

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Re: Is Whaley the main running back now?
« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2017, 05:02:27 pm »

I'm hoping maleek, David, and chase surprise all of us this year. We will find out for sure if they will be premier backs in the sec. That's one position where youth doesn't matter.


Well yes and no. Certainly great talent is going to make great plays at an early age at RB and you will see flashes of exceptional talent. But, in our system a RB also has to be not only able to block, but know who to block and how to adjust to calls at the LOS in that process. Not being able to be an effective blocker in our system will limit your touches every time. So there is more to it than being a big play maker once you break the LOS, though that is a valuable trait.
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Re: Is Whaley the main running back now?
« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2017, 05:06:05 pm »

I'm hoping maleek, David, and chase surprise all of us this year. We will find out for sure if they will be premier backs in the sec. That's one position where youth doesn't matter.

 Not having a handle on blocking responsibilities will keep you on the bench more often than not in a pro-style offense.
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Re: Is Whaley the main running back now?
« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2017, 05:11:38 pm »

Not having a handle on blocking responsibilities will keep you on the bench more often than not in a pro-style offense.

Agreed and you have to learn to read "the creases" for cut-backs as they develop. We even had RW III miss the "crease" or "hole" last year vs. A&M that would have allowed him a path into the EZ. He made a mis-read and was tackled short of the EZ. That is another factor as well.
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Re: Is Whaley the main running back now?
« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2017, 05:14:35 pm »

Well yes and no. Certainly great talent is going to make great plays at an early age at RB and you will see flashes of exceptional talent. But, in our system a RB also has to be not only able to block, but know who to block and how to adjust to calls at the LOS in that process. Not being able to be an effective blocker in our system will limit your touches every time. So there is more to it than being a big play maker once you break the LOS, though that is a valuable trait.

I think DW's average per yard was as much or more than RWIII. So conventional wisdom would say DW should have carried the ball the most.

But as you point out he was still learning the blocking schemes. JUST running the rock will not get you a starting position within CDE's system.
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Re: Is Whaley the main running back now?
« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2017, 05:23:21 pm »

I think DW's average per yard was as much or more than RWIII. So conventional wisdom would say DW should have carried the ball the most.

But as you point out he was still learning the blocking schemes. JUST running the rock will not get you a starting position within CDE's system.

RW III: 5.55 yds p/rush
Whaley: 5.47 yds p/rush

Both good.
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Re: Is Whaley the main running back now?
« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2017, 05:29:00 pm »

RW III: 5.55 yds p/rush
Whaley: 5.47 yds p/rush

Both good.

Dang, my memory fails me again. I'm not doing this aging thing very well.  ;D
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Re: Is Whaley the main running back now?
« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2017, 05:53:15 pm »

RW III: 5.55 yds p/rush
Whaley: 5.47 yds p/rush

Both good.

yep,  and it might be more fair to compare freshmen years.  Did RWIII avg. over 5 yds as a freshman?



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Re: Is Whaley the main running back now?
« Reply #16 on: July 16, 2017, 07:25:30 pm »

yep,  and it might be more fair to compare freshmen years.  Did RWIII avg. over 5 yds as a freshman?

Nope.

RWIII 2015 (freshman) stats: 56 carries - 254 yards - 4.54 YPC - 1 TD
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Re: Is Whaley the main running back now?
« Reply #17 on: July 16, 2017, 07:37:19 pm »

Whaley is the main back, but Maleek will be very difficult to deal with for opposing defenses.
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Re: Is Whaley the main running back now?
« Reply #18 on: July 16, 2017, 08:00:57 pm »

So I hear.

I hope we have 3 thousand yard rushers this year. I hope to see us throw the ball maybe 25-30 times and run 40-45 times.

That will take some pressure off Austin and maximize the talent we have on the OL.
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Re: Is Whaley the main running back now?
« Reply #19 on: July 16, 2017, 09:01:39 pm »

Frankly I hope they've been practicing some shotgun sets.  Austin needs to be healthy for us to have any chance at a good season and seeing the rush will help.  Plus, handing off to the halfback after scanning the receivers is almost like a scramble except -you know- not getting your quarterback killed.

The old split backs out of the shotgun would be interesting too.  Release one to wheel and the other to stay and block or take the handoff would be a nice option to have especially if you have a speedster in there as a wheelman -Hammonds anyone?
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Re: Is Whaley the main running back now?
« Reply #20 on: July 16, 2017, 09:11:53 pm »

That's one position where youth doesn't matter.

I would agree with it matters the least. But even at RB youth does matter
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Re: Is Whaley the main running back now?
« Reply #21 on: July 17, 2017, 09:23:22 am »

Nope.

RWIII 2015 (freshman) stats: 56 carries - 254 yards - 4.54 YPC - 1 TD

But did have a neck injury and miss the final 6 games.
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Re: Is Whaley the main running back now?
« Reply #22 on: July 17, 2017, 09:34:51 am »

I would agree with it matters the least. But even at RB youth does matter

It didn't matter to a guy named McFadden.
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Re: Is Whaley the main running back now?
« Reply #23 on: July 17, 2017, 09:39:33 am »

Boys, when this whaley kid is done you may be talking about him being #2 all time behind dmac. This kid is special. Raw power, speed, and explosiveness.
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Re: Is Whaley the main running back now?
« Reply #24 on: July 17, 2017, 05:31:36 pm »

Boys, when this whaley kid is done you may be talking about him being #2 all time behind dmac. This kid is special. Raw power, speed, and explosiveness.
he flashed his talent during the the FL game.
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Re: Is Whaley the main running back now?
« Reply #25 on: July 17, 2017, 05:43:42 pm »

Frankly I hope they've been practicing some shotgun sets.  Austin needs to be healthy for us to have any chance at a good season and seeing the rush will help.  Plus, handing off to the halfback after scanning the receivers is almost like a scramble except -you know- not getting your quarterback killed.

The old split backs out of the shotgun would be interesting too.  Release one to wheel and the other to stay and block or take the handoff would be a nice option to have especially if you have a speedster in there as a wheelman -Hammonds anyone?

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Re: Is Whaley the main running back now?
« Reply #26 on: July 17, 2017, 05:49:39 pm »

It didn't matter to a guy named McFadden.

His big toe says otherwise.

Not to mention that he was rarely asked to pass block. We handed the ball off to him 70% of the time, the other 30% he was running a route.
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Re: Is Whaley the main running back now?
« Reply #27 on: July 17, 2017, 09:19:43 pm »

His big toe says otherwise.

Not to mention that he was rarely asked to pass block. We handed the ball off to him 70% of the time, the other 30% he was running a route.
But he was asked to pass sometimes, so you may need to adjust your %'s a little.
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Re: Is Whaley the main running back now?
« Reply #28 on: July 17, 2017, 09:21:40 pm »

It didn't matter to a guy named McFadden.

When you throw the ball 8-10 times a game rb pass blocking needs less polish
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Re: Is Whaley the main running back now?
« Reply #29 on: July 17, 2017, 09:26:20 pm »

But he was asked to pass sometimes, so you may need to adjust your %'s a little.

I was rounding up.
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Re: Is Whaley the main running back now?
« Reply #30 on: July 17, 2017, 10:45:38 pm »

It didn't matter to a guy named McFadden.

I must have missed where his Freshman year was better than the next two
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Re: Is Whaley the main running back now?
« Reply #31 on: July 18, 2017, 09:46:42 am »

I must have missed where his Freshman year was better than the next two

His freshman year wasn't as good as his last 2 because Hooty didn't start him until after the loss to Vandy.
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Re: Is Whaley the main running back now?
« Reply #32 on: July 18, 2017, 09:50:51 am »

Well yes and no. Certainly great talent is going to make great plays at an early age at RB and you will see flashes of exceptional talent. But, in our system a RB also has to be not only able to block, but know who to block and how to adjust to calls at the LOS in that process. Not being able to be an effective blocker in our system will limit your touches every time. So there is more to it than being a big play maker once you break the LOS, though that is a valuable trait.
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Re: Is Whaley the main running back now?
« Reply #33 on: July 19, 2017, 07:24:38 am »

Come on you guys, use your brain.

Devwah will be #1.  Over 1000
Maleek/Hammonds/Grad transfer/Hayden. 

That will be the chart. 

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Re: Is Whaley the main running back now?
« Reply #34 on: July 19, 2017, 07:47:46 am »

RBs in our offense is allowed a lot of freedom in choosing the best hole to run through and many times it is not th hole where the play is called.   So much is instincts that is born in a player.  That is the reason we see so many freshmen RBs do well.  So we will see.  The big problem with freshmen RBs is blocking so that is where I am glad we signed the sr transfer.  I hope he does well and is a great leader.
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Re: Is Whaley the main running back now?
« Reply #35 on: July 21, 2017, 01:03:29 am »

I think David Williams, the grad transfer from South Carolina, may very well earn the #1 running back spot.  Williams is a good runner, and a very good receiver out of the backfield as well.
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Re: Is Whaley the main running back now?
« Reply #36 on: July 21, 2017, 01:46:13 am »

David Williams will not be the RB1.   If he is Arkansas is in big trouble.  Whaley will be 1.  Mallick, chase and  TJ will be 2a, 2b, and 2c.
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Re: Is Whaley the main running back now?
« Reply #37 on: July 21, 2017, 06:25:10 am »

Devwah 1
Hammonds 2a
Maleek 2b
Hayden 2c
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Re: Is Whaley the main running back now?
« Reply #38 on: July 21, 2017, 09:46:45 am »

Today, Whaley is #1 and it's not even close.  By mid-season we may be back to having 1A and 1B the way we want to, but that's hard to predict.  Whaley has all the natural talent to put himself into the top 5 backs in Razorback history.  If he lives up to potential, the next two years are going to be a lot of fun to watch. 
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Re: Is Whaley the main running back now?
« Reply #39 on: July 21, 2017, 10:18:31 am »


Yeah. Lol he is.

He's probably not THE main running back, but he is the Razorbacks' main running back.

Sorry.  I considered the question so absurd I responded with sarcasm.
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Re: Is Whaley the main running back now?
« Reply #40 on: July 21, 2017, 12:55:13 pm »

Devwah 1
Hammonds 2a
Maleek 2b
Hayden 2c

Early season
Devwah 1
Maleek 2
Hamonds/Williams 3

Late seasons
Devwah 1a
Maleek 1b
Hammonds/Williams 2

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