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PBev to the Clippers
« on: June 28, 2017, 11:15:44 am »

Due to the CP3 trade. Hate it for him that he won't be a part of that team in Houston.
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Re: PBev to the Clippers
« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2017, 11:21:49 am »

But he's got a good owner, Jerry West and a good HC waiting for him in LA, not a bad thing.  He has to live in LA but it's not forever.
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Re: PBev to the Clippers
« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2017, 11:28:33 am »

But he's got a good owner, Jerry West and a good HC waiting for him in LA, not a bad thing.  He has to live in LA but it's not forever.

Maybe. I've just never been impressed with the new team around him. Always thought Griffin and Jordan were overrated. But I hope you're right. Hope he succeeds there. 
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Re: PBev to the Clippers
« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2017, 11:32:23 am »

But he's got a good owner, Jerry West and a good HC waiting for him in LA, not a bad thing.  He has to live in LA but it's not forever.

West didn't do all that great when he worked for the Grizzlies. I will admit he didn't have an owner then with as big of a bank account that he has now.
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Re: PBev to the Clippers
« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2017, 11:38:39 am »

I know I may be in a minority here, but I truly believe that Doc Rivers is also quite overrated. He seems to get tons of credit for winning a championship with the Big 3 in Boston, but when I hear him in timeouts, it always just sounds like he's a cheerleader, telling em all to keep pushing and keep going. No X's and O's.

It just always seems like it was CP3 who carried that team...could be wrong though. My wife tells me that I have been before...
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Re: PBev to the Clippers
« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2017, 12:51:11 pm »

Maybe. I've just never been impressed with the new team around him. Always thought Griffin and Jordan were overrated. But I hope you're right. Hope he succeeds there.

I have felt like cp3 was a bit of cancer on that team. Griffin isn't overrated. Just think cp3 had him 💀 screwed if you know what I mean.

The Clips inability to get by Utah without Griffin was a taste of what the clips would be with cp3 as the focal point of the franchise.
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Re: PBev to the Clippers
« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2017, 01:00:37 pm »

I think the Clips won that trade big time.
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Re: PBev to the Clippers
« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2017, 01:41:22 pm »

I know I may be in a minority here, but I truly believe that Doc Rivers is also quite overrated. He seems to get tons of credit for winning a championship with the Big 3 in Boston, but when I hear him in timeouts, it always just sounds like he's a cheerleader, telling em all to keep pushing and keep going. No X's and O's.

It just always seems like it was CP3 who carried that team...could be wrong though. My wife tells me that I have been before...
Same thing everyone says about mike Anderson  ::)
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Re: PBev to the Clippers
« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2017, 01:51:11 pm »

I have felt like cp3 was a bit of cancer on that team. Griffin isn't overrated. Just think cp3 had him 💀 screwed if you know what I mean.

The Clips inability to get by Utah without Griffin was a taste of what the clips would be with cp3 as the focal point of the franchise.

I've always thought CP3 and Doc Rivers were overrated. 
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Re: PBev to the Clippers
« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2017, 01:51:41 pm »

Same thing everyone says about mike Anderson  ::)

Exactly what I was thinking
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Re: PBev to the Clippers
« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2017, 02:02:30 pm »

Exactly what I was thinking

Huge difference from College and NBA though.
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Re: PBev to the Clippers
« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2017, 02:10:34 pm »

I know I may be in a minority here, but I truly believe that Doc Rivers is also quite overrated. He seems to get tons of credit for winning a championship with the Big 3 in Boston, but when I hear him in timeouts, it always just sounds like he's a cheerleader, telling em all to keep pushing and keep going. No X's and O's.

It just always seems like it was CP3 who carried that team...could be wrong though. My wife tells me that I have been before...

FWIW, stations purposefully don't broadcast when a team talks X's and O's.
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Re: PBev to the Clippers
« Reply #12 on: June 28, 2017, 02:24:14 pm »

I've always thought CP3 and Doc Rivers were overrated. 

Doc yes. CP3... overrated? Guy basically averages 20/10 per game. I honestly think he's the best pure PG in the league. I think Westbrook is more productive, but I think Westbrook doesn't make his teammates better like CP3.

I think CP3 was the only real thing the Clippers had going. Jordan and Griffin are physically gifted, but they're not really versatile enough to win you a championship. I think they're overrated when it comes to building a franchise. They sell tickets with their dunks.

I honestly think Houston made out like crazy in this deal, depending on what the Clips do with that draft pick. Dekkar is nothing more than a body with little upside. Williams is 30 and super inconsistent, but capable of scoring some points for you. He's basically like what the Clips had from Mo Williams there for a bit. And Beverly is a good defender and a decent player overall.

The Clips are going to lose Griffin to free agency and with him gone they will have lost 40ppg and replaced it with around 25ppg. Unless they can manage to trade Griffin before he leaves for free agency and salvage something there.

Houston just got a guy who's going to give them scoring and make the guys around him a lot better. I don't think they have the depth to hang with Golden State, but Houston got better, for sure.
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Re: PBev to the Clippers
« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2017, 03:24:56 pm »

Doc yes. CP3... overrated? Guy basically averages 20/10 per game. I honestly think he's the best pure PG in the league. I think Westbrook is more productive, but I think Westbrook doesn't make his teammates better like CP3.

I think CP3 was the only real thing the Clippers had going. Jordan and Griffin are physically gifted, but they're not really versatile enough to win you a championship. I think they're overrated when it comes to building a franchise. They sell tickets with their dunks.

I honestly think Houston made out like crazy in this deal, depending on what the Clips do with that draft pick. Dekkar is nothing more than a body with little upside. Williams is 30 and super inconsistent, but capable of scoring some points for you. He's basically like what the Clips had from Mo Williams there for a bit. And Beverly is a good defender and a decent player overall.

The Clips are going to lose Griffin to free agency and with him gone they will have lost 40ppg and replaced it with around 25ppg. Unless they can manage to trade Griffin before he leaves for free agency and salvage something there.

Houston just got a guy who's going to give them scoring and make the guys around him a lot better. I don't think they have the depth to hang with Golden State, but Houston got better, for sure.

Houston didn't lose games last year because of lack of offense, they couldn't stop anyone that could make shots.  They already have enough offense to destroy anyone assuming they can hold the opposing team under 125 or so.  CP is not going to help them that much defense since they lost two of their better defensive players and one being a first team all defense guy.  They also did not help their post play with CP3 which was another weak point.  CP3 is also going to take shots away from the established houston offense, it worked for GS by adding durant but often it does not work. 
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Re: PBev to the Clippers
« Reply #14 on: June 28, 2017, 03:28:22 pm »

Houston didn't lose games last year because of lack of offense, they couldn't stop anyone that could make shots.  They already have enough offense to destroy anyone assuming they can hold the opposing team under 125 or so.  CP is not going to help them that much defense since they lost two of their better defensive players and one being a first team all defense guy.  They also did not help their post play with CP3 which was another weak point.  CP3 is also going to take shots away from the established houston offense, it worked for GS by adding durant but often it does not work. 

CP3 was also on the  NBA All-Defensive First Team as a guard.
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Re: PBev to the Clippers
« Reply #15 on: June 28, 2017, 04:20:06 pm »

CP3 was also on the  NBA All-Defensive First Team as a guard.

Yes, but I believe that falls into the part of the argument that he is overrated.  I don't believe CP3 is as good of a defender as beverly. 
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Re: PBev to the Clippers
« Reply #16 on: June 28, 2017, 05:05:54 pm »

Houston didn't lose games last year because of lack of offense, they couldn't stop anyone that could make shots.  They already have enough offense to destroy anyone assuming they can hold the opposing team under 125 or so.  CP is not going to help them that much defense since they lost two of their better defensive players and one being a first team all defense guy.  They also did not help their post play with CP3 which was another weak point.  CP3 is also going to take shots away from the established houston offense, it worked for GS by adding durant but often it does not work.

The reasoning behind this (imo) is how the season ended this year for the Rockets. Harden...as great as he was all season...just ran out of gas and was irrelevant at the end. CP3 can take off that work load off of Harden, so there's not another break down like this year.
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Re: PBev to the Clippers
« Reply #17 on: June 28, 2017, 06:21:07 pm »

I don't know.....but PB seemed to thrive in Houston.  I think Houston will miss him.
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Re: PBev to the Clippers
« Reply #18 on: June 28, 2017, 07:21:07 pm »

I don't know.....but PB seemed to thrive in Houston.  I think Houston will miss him.

Houston will misd PBev.  He brought a toughness to that team.  Take Green off the Warriors and they are not near as good.
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Re: PBev to the Clippers
« Reply #19 on: June 28, 2017, 09:12:54 pm »

Clippers got the better end of this deal IMHO     heck Paul was going to walk so why not get something for him and I think the Clippers got as much as they could.  \
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Re: PBev to the Clippers
« Reply #20 on: June 29, 2017, 01:19:08 am »

I think CP3 was the only real thing the Clippers had going. Jordan and Griffin are physically gifted, but they're not really versatile enough to win you a championship. I think they're overrated when it comes to building a franchise. They sell tickets with their dunks.

He does such a poor job of involving his teammates in the game. He pouts and sulks on the court about his teammates at times. I would hate to play with a guy like that. I can't wait to see how Houston is going to work for him because he won't be allowed to challenge Harden for leadership of that team.

Big guys like Griffin and Jordan aren't supposed to be versatile. They require a good point man to maximize their talents.

Everyone looks at one end of the court with a point guard. He is supposed to guide the team on BOTH ends. He may play defense well individually, but the Clippers were awful against the Jazz defensively and the Jazz are awful on offense.

If CP3 were the only thing going for the Clippers, then they would have walked away from the Jazz. They still had the talent edge because the Jazz played the majority of the series without the guy that made their defense work.

CP3 is tough, but that's Beverly's strength also and awards aside, Beverly is a better defender hands down.
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Re: PBev to the Clippers
« Reply #21 on: June 29, 2017, 09:02:05 am »

Clippers got the better end of this deal IMHO     heck Paul was he going to walk so why not get something for him and I think the Clippers got as much as they could.  \
I really wish he could possibly go to another division.....I'm a loyal Grizzlies supporter, watch all their games, and even attend some, especially the playoffs.  But, regardless, I always root for PB, even if it's silently (lol). 
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Re: PBev to the Clippers
« Reply #22 on: June 29, 2017, 11:24:35 am »

i to think the clips got the better end of this deal.  they got what? 4 players and a possible top 3 draft pick next year? for a player that never got them past the 2nd round and was going to walk in a year anyway.

I bet the Pacers are hoping to cash into something similar for Paul George.

btw i have no idea how it is going to look in Houston, basically two ultra ball dominate guards.  It is like Westbrook playing with a clone of himself (not in style but in terms of TOP).
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Re: PBev to the Clippers
« Reply #23 on: June 29, 2017, 08:23:48 pm »

He does such a poor job of involving his teammates in the game. He pouts and sulks on the court about his teammates at times. I would hate to play with a guy like that. I can't wait to see how Houston is going to work for him because he won't be allowed to challenge Harden for leadership of that team.

Big guys like Griffin and Jordan aren't supposed to be versatile. They require a good point man to maximize their talents.

Everyone looks at one end of the court with a point guard. He is supposed to guide the team on BOTH ends. He may play defense well individually, but the Clippers were awful against the Jazz defensively and the Jazz are awful on offense.

If CP3 were the only thing going for the Clippers, then they would have walked away from the Jazz. They still had the talent edge because the Jazz played the majority of the series without the guy that made their defense work.

CP3 is tough, but that's Beverly's strength also and awards aside, Beverly is a better defender hands down.


CP3 does pout from time to time, but so does Doc and the entire team. I think Jordan is the worst offender there. I guess I just feel differently about CP3 as a facilitator. I think he makes that team work. And I watch a lot of Clips as a season ticket holder.

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