Reggie Perry has officially decommited

[The Hogfather]

did he not have a dad until 2 weeks ago?
was his dad not in the picture when he made his original, dramatic, heart felt commitment?

manageable drives, same jersey numbers, and convenient places to stay overnight didnt all just become relevant 2 weeks ago. 

Yeah, still shady.  Dude is acting like Perry's girlfriend just gave birth to his dad a few weeks ago.

"Well, when he committed to Arkansas initially, he didn't have a dad.  His girlfriend just had his dad, so everything changed.  He has to do what is best for his dad, which is clearly to move 7 hours away to a complete shizhole."

[King Kong]

I love you cut an hour off the drive to make it seem more plausible.

It's a 7 hour drive. Expect Senior Perry to have a job in Starkville

[ShadowHawg]

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did he not have a dad until 2 weeks ago?
was his dad not in the picture when he made his original, dramatic, heart felt commitment?

manageable drives, same jersey numbers, and convenient places to stay overnight didnt all just become relevant 2 weeks ago.

This has been going on longer than two weeks. I know for a fact the Perry family visited Miss St over a month ago.

It takes months for any illness to get diagnosed. In my mom's case it took years.

Yes, you are right about it having been going in for a while.

[ShadowHawg]

I love you cut an hour off the drive to make it seem more plausible.

It's a 7 hour drive. Expect Senior Perry to have a job in Starkville

It's between 6 and 7. You are so butt hurt you are really trying to claim that as a make or break point.

[King Kong]

It's between 6 and 7. You are so butt hurt you are really trying to claim that as a make or break point.

It's 7 hours and 1min drive. You are the one grasping at straws to defend you point.

[AirWarren]

Just a bunch of uneducated morons who live vicariously through these "croots" as they call them.

[ShadowHawg]

It's 7 hours and 1min drive. You are the one grasping at straws to defend you point.

You are ocd if you have actually driven and timed it and naive if you simply buy what a mapping software says. I used to travel a lot and the mapping software tends to overestimate drive times.

[NWAHog479]

Can anybody actually confirm that his dad is ill?

[HognitiveDissonance]

So at Kentucky they run everything through 1-2 players or do 8-10 players share the ball?

That's exactly what I was going to say. Kentucky would seem to be the total opposite of the point that 'too many players play in this system'.
At KY, every recruit is the proverbial 5-star recruit. That makes Cal's recruiting even more impressive, and what also makes him underrated as a coach. He not only convinces those guys to sign with KY knowing full well there will be four other 5-star recruits signing in the kid's same class---but he also gets them to play well as a team. I've never noticed a whole lot of prima-donna behavior on those teams. They generally play hard and play together.
Do I think Cal is a great bench coach? Not really. But his recruiting and 'team first' coaching are off the charts. And that leads to a ton of wins.

[BannerMountainMan]

I drove it once and it only took me 5 hours and 43 minutes, all interstate, that should end that argument

[ShadowHawg]

I drove it once and it only took me 5 hours and 43 minutes, all interstate, that should end that argument

Lol. Appreciate the levity. Have a good one!

[HognitiveDissonance]

I do not disagree, but it is going to keep Mike from getting the Monk's, Perry's etc.

I do disagree about he GS comparison. 1 those guys are getting paid, and the management can go out and get free agents.

Disagree.
Preaching team concepts and no egos didn't prohibit Nolan from getting Huery, Day, Mayberry, Darnell, Corliss, Wilson, G Alexander, D Hood, K Reid, did it? Every one of those players was either a McDonald's or Parade 1st or 2nd team All-American.

Because Nolan could recruit. Mike, not so much.

[HognitiveDissonance]

What I see is you said Mikes system isn't conducive to top high school players. When I pointed out that KY runs the same system....somehow that proves I have problem with reasoning Yes KY has numerous lotto picks over the last few years. That was not the point you made. The only difference between MA's system and KY system is KY is doing it with better players. I will say this MA is more concerned about defense than KY otherwise about the same system. The BIG difference which people seem to ignore:

Kentucky is the most successful NCAA Division I basketball program in history in terms of both all-time wins (2,237) and all-time winning percentage (.765). Kentucky leads all schools in total NCAA tournament appearances (56), NCAA tournament wins (124), NCAA Tournament games played (174), NCAA Sweet Sixteen appearances (42), NCAA Elite Eight appearances (37), and total postseason tournament appearances (64). Further, Kentucky has played in 17 NCAA Final Fours (tied for 2nd place all-time with UCLA), 12 NCAA Championship games, and has won 8 NCAA championships (second only to UCLA's 11).

Not saying Arkansas basketball does not have a record to be proud of but compare the two it's not even fair. Now if we were consistently losing top players to Auburn...I  could see the butt hurt. So you tell me which person has an easier job to sell Calipari or Mike? That should be enough eliminate a lot post on this thread!

But, Nolan was going head-to-head with Kentucky in his prime. Toe-to-toe with Pitino and all the KY tradition.
People remember that and therefore don't just throw in the towel and expect KY to come here and raid all our recruits.
The right coach can put a stop to much of that.
They realize Mike isn't that kind of caliber, so he can't stop it.
Actually the players themselves realize it first, and that's why they're leaving.

[HognitiveDissonance]

+1, He's a coach and a man of ultimate integrity and the Mike critics just can't stand that.

So since Nolan recruited better are you implying he had no integrity?
Or are you saying good recruiting and integrity don't mix?
Not buying that.
Nolan is proof of that.
I don't think he cheated, and he recruited extremely well for a while.

[HognitiveDissonance]

So what if he goes where his dad went?

If this commitment sticks, I'm actually ok with it.
Why? Because this is one of the logical places you might have expected Perry to go---considering his dad's history with the school.
If the Hog commitment hadn't happened so long ago, would anyone have been surprised at Perry to MSU? Not me.
And it IS much closer to home than Fayetteville is.

[hogsanity]

Disagree.
Preaching team concepts and no egos didn't prohibit Nolan from getting Huery, Day, Mayberry, Darnell, Corliss, Wilson, G Alexander, D Hood, K Reid, did it? Every one of those players was either a McDonald's or Parade 1st or 2nd team All-American.

Because Nolan could recruit. Mike, not so much.

Mike is an average recruiter, AT BEST. Why some here won't just admit that is puzzling.

[Hogimus Prime]

Mike is an average recruiter, AT BEST. Why some here won't just admit that is puzzling.

Ha. Mo$t of the coache$ at the blue blood$ are average recruiter$ and coache$ at be$t

[98hogs]

Skankville is a hole.  Good luck Mr. Perry

[Hogimus Prime]

Jerry Reed drove from Atlanta to Texarkana, TX and back in 18hrs in a truck hauling 400 cases of beer in the late 70's.

[zebradynasty]

But, Nolan was going head-to-head with Kentucky in his prime. Toe-to-toe with Pitino and all the KY tradition.
People remember that and therefore don't just throw in the towel and expect KY to come here and raid all our recruits.
The right coach can put a stop to much of that.
They realize Mike isn't that kind of caliber, so he can't stop it.
Actually the players themselves realize it first, and that's why they're leaving.

Dude! Kentucky raids EVERYBODY! Heck I'm so glad the state now produces the type of player that Kentucky wants. Your recollection of history is...different I don't recall Nolan beating KY in recruiting now he did beat them on the floor some but I don't recall Nolan taking players from KY. By the way Mike is 4-7 against Kentucky and had a 3 game win streak against them. Nolan 7-12.

[hogsanity]

Dude! Kentucky raids EVERYBODY! Heck I'm so glad the state now produces the type of player that Kentucky wants. Your recollection of history is...different I don't recall Nolan beating KY in recruiting now he did beat them on the floor some but I don't recall Nolan taking players from KY. By the way Mike is 4-7 against Kentucky and had a 3 game win streak against them. Nolan 7-12.

Nolan - NC, NC runner Up 3 Final 4's, an elite 8, couple more sweet 16's all while at Ar. Mike , 3 noshows a 8 seed and a 5 seed. You really want to compare the two.

Oh, and in the year when Mike's team beat KY twice, KY ended up NCAAt runner up and Mike's team ended up losing at Cal in the NIT.

[zebradynasty]

Nolan - NC, NC runner Up 3 Final 4's, an elite 8, couple more sweet 16's all while at Ar. Mike , 3 noshows a 8 seed and a 5 seed. You really want to compare the two.

Oh, and in the year when Mike's team beat KY twice, KY ended up NCAAt runner up and Mike's team ended up losing at Cal in the NIT.

Moving the goal post. The point was made that Nolan went head to head with KY. It appears Mike has too. Neither coach out recruited KY. The reason KY is expected to get the best players from Arkansas is because they have done it to nearly every state in the union. We're not living in a bubble. You say the right coach could stop it, there is no way to prove that as it hasn't happened before. Arkansas will NEVER pay a coach enough to do what you are asking.

[ArkansasI]

Moving the goal post. The point was made that Nolan went head to head with KY. It appears Mike has too. Neither coach out recruited KY. The reason KY is expected to get the best players from Arkansas is because they have done it to nearly every state in the union. We're not living in a bubble. You say the right coach could stop it, there is no way to prove that as it hasn't happened before. Arkansas will NEVER pay a coach enough to do what you are asking.

Name one Arkansas kid that signed with Kentucky while Nolan was our head coach.

[The Hogfather]

Name one Arkansas kid that signed with Kentucky while Nolan was our head coach.

Things are a lot different now.

[zebradynasty]

Name one Arkansas kid that signed with Kentucky while Nolan was our head coach.

Except for maybe Joe or Corliss name an Arkansas kid that KY wanted while Nolan was here?

[Justifiable Hogicide]

Mike is an average recruiter, AT BEST.

Actually, you're being quite kind.

[Breems]

Don't you guys understand?

MSU is Perry's Kentucky/Arkansas/Duke/UNC.

[HognitiveDissonance]

Dude! Kentucky raids EVERYBODY! Heck I'm so glad the state now produces the type of player that Kentucky wants. Your recollection of history is...different I don't recall Nolan beating KY in recruiting now he did beat them on the floor some but I don't recall Nolan taking players from KY. By the way Mike is 4-7 against Kentucky and had a 3 game win streak against them. Nolan 7-12.

I'm not narrowly focused on Ark and KY going after the same guys. I'm speaking at a higher level than that. Recruiting as a whole.
I listed all the top recruits Nolan signed while he was here. All of those guys are the same caliber of players as the Allens, Monks, and Goodwins of today. That is, they were on the blue blood list of hot-shot recruits of the day. Corliss, Day, Mayberry, Hood, Reid etc etc. Nolan was yes, signing as many hot shots back in the day as the 'blue bloods' were. That was the whole point. And that in turn allowed the great success back then. It's quite simple: you get some of the top recruits, you win a lot. If you don't, you take a backseat to the KYs, Kansas, UNC's and Dukes.
Even though Nolan liked to say especially later that he had Burger King all-americans instead of McDonald's he was being disengenuous, because he signed and went after a lot of the McDonald's guys.
The fact is, Arkansas WAS a blue blood program for a while---all because of great recruiting.

[HognitiveDissonance]

Dude! Kentucky raids EVERYBODY! Heck I'm so glad the state now produces the type of player that Kentucky wants. Your recollection of history is...different I don't recall Nolan beating KY in recruiting now he did beat them on the floor some but I don't recall Nolan taking players from KY. By the way Mike is 4-7 against Kentucky and had a 3 game win streak against them. Nolan 7-12.

Think higher.
Don't worry so much about being 4-7 against KY.
Advance farther than them in the NCAA Tournament. That's the goal here. Nolan did that sometimes, Mike not yet.
Sure I enjoyed beating them twice a few years ago, but as someone said by March that year they were torching us. Better talent. Those freshmen take a while to jell usually but by March they were clicking. Beat 'em early is usually the case. They're just freshmen no matter how talented they are. So sometimes you can beat 'em.

[HognitiveDissonance]

Except for maybe Joe or Corliss name an Arkansas kid that KY wanted while Nolan was here?

Pargo was one that both programs wanted.
I really prefer this to be a macro level discussion and not micro-level as just Ark vs Ky. I'm thinking Ark vs college basketball and what it takes to be highly successful.
Besides, in Pargo's day, Nolan wasn't recruiting as well as he once did, and Tubby wasn't a great recruiter either.

[farfromgroovins]

I don't know whether to be afraid of what Howland is building at MSU or be skeptical of what he is brewing.

Can't say I like this one getting away but then again no kid is ever a Hog until they sign on the Hogged-line so he technically never was "ours" to begin with.
I like to reserve judgement on a coach until the season is over and gauge them on results on the court rather than what could-have-been with recruits. I guess that is my old-school way of thinking. We just didn't have this much information at our fingertips 20+ years ago to see all the ones that got away unless they were in our back yard.

[Porkchop#1]

Jerry Reed drove from Atlanta to Texarkana, TX and back in 18hrs in a truck hauling 400 cases of beer in the late 70's.

Don't think so..the Texas side was dry back then.

[Hogimus Prime]

Don't think so..the Texas side was dry back then.

Happened. Saw a tv show about it. A guy named Bo Darvill helped in a black Trans Am

[tophawg19]

He committed to us on his Dad's birthday and they all celebrated it. His family is all for it. Then he goes to an Adidias camp in Europe [MSU IS ADIDIAS} , Arkansas isn't . Coincidence now he commits to Addias ER I mean MSU . Again i ask Coincidence ??$$$$$

[hoglady]

You can't really compare Nolan's recruiting to today's college basketball.
What's happening with the one and done kids wasn't an issue back then.
The reasons and motivations for recruits were different - kids chose a school knowing they would be there a few years.
For the one and done kid's - it's temporary, a 9 month stopping point to the NBA. For the most part, they don't care about the school or the program.

[Porkchop#1]

did he not have a dad until 2 weeks ago?
was his dad not in the picture when he made his original, dramatic, heart felt commitment?

manageable drives, same jersey numbers, and convenient places to stay overnight didnt all just become relevant 2 weeks ago.

Is that not the truth?  What a silly thread.

[3kgthog]

$hocker.

[zebradynasty]

I'm not narrowly focused on Ark and KY going after the same guys. I'm speaking at a higher level than that. Recruiting as a whole.
I listed all the top recruits Nolan signed while he was here. All of those guys are the same caliber of players as the Allens, Monks, and Goodwins of today. That is, they were on the blue blood list of hot-shot recruits of the day. Corliss, Day, Mayberry, Hood, Reid etc etc. Nolan was yes, signing as many hot shots back in the day as the 'blue bloods' were. That was the whole point. And that in turn allowed the great success back then. It's quite simple: you get some of the top recruits, you win a lot. If you don't, you take a backseat to the KYs, Kansas, UNC's and Dukes.
Even though Nolan liked to say especially later that he had Burger King all-americans instead of McDonald's he was being disengenuous, because he signed and went after a lot of the McDonald's guys.
The fact is, Arkansas WAS a blue blood program for a while---all because of great recruiting.

I leave you to re-writng history. The year we won National Championship how many players off that team went on to a successful NBA career?

[Hogimus Prime]

I leave you to re-writng history. The year we won National Championship how many players off that team went on to a successful NBA career?

One. Corliss.  Beck and McDaniel spent a season or two in the league. Darnell Robinson was drafted but never played in the NBA. 

[rzrbackramsfan]

Sound to me that Mike style is similar to the style of the NBA champions, Golden State Warriors. Mike Anderson is really ahead of the curve in the college game because he is asking kids to sacrifice some of yourself for the greater good of the team. This me Mentality does not fit the team concept. I think some people got in the ear of Reggie Perry and convinced him to decommit.  I don't knock the kid at all because it's his opportunity and he is in a position to do some great things for his family.

I really don't want Mike to sell these kids a lie. The brand is Arkansas Razorbacks basketball!! Not Reggie Perry, Malik Monk, Bobby Portis etc...

Nice.  And RP should know that lots of minutes and possession can and will be earned, but if RP wanted time and possession that he didn't deserve then that's fine.  I care more about Arkansas winning than recruiting.  They should be synonymous but not if players put themselves above the team. 

[HogsonHicks]

This thread is comical.

I had a great dad until he passed away. He'd tell me to man up and honor my commitment.

[LRHawg]

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"Starkvegas is my Kentucky"

[JenksHawg]

I saw Perry at the Real Deal. In my estimation he's a similar player but way more skilled and athletic than Bobby Portis. So yeah, losing him is a huge deal and goes from taking the program a big step forward to continue to being stuck in mediocrity. That big of an impact.

[Inhogswetrust]

You are ocd if you have actually driven and timed it and naive if you simply buy what a mapping software says. I used to travel a lot and the mapping software tends to overestimate drive times.

They expect people to drive the speed limit............................

[The Boar War]

You people are pretty short minded and basically ignorant to team sports.  If you think losing one player in a team sport will drag a program down, that explains how little understanding of the game you have.  Get it through your thick skulls, one and dones don't improve programs!  See U.K.!  When was the last time their one and done roster won a NC?  Stop it!  You are showing your lack of sports IQ in this thread!

Yeah they're really hurting over there in Kentucky.   Didn't even win a national championship this year.

FWIW there's a huge difference between adding a one and done type talent to a good roster and trying to start over year after year with college freshmen.  Either one seems to be better than not trying to sign the best players.

[The_Iceman]

Because unless you grow up in Arkansas and are a Hog fan, Mike Anderson cannot recruit you to Arkansas.

[Youngsta71701]

So since Nolan recruited better are you implying he had no integrity?
Or are you saying good recruiting and integrity don't mix?
Not buying that.
Nolan is proof of that.
I don't think he cheated, and he recruited extremely well for a while.

What I said had nothing to do with recruiting. It has everything to do with Mike doing it the right way rather he gets all the best recruits or not he's not going to do anything shady or shameful to the program to get them. We might not get many 5 stars but we do however get plenty of 4 stars. And the last time I checked 4 stars are not too bad.

Maybe some of us just want a Bobby Petrino repeat or something IDK...

[Youngsta71701]

Nolan - NC, NC runner Up 3 Final 4's, an elite 8, couple more sweet 16's all while at Ar. Mike , 3 noshows a 8 seed and a 5 seed. You really want to compare the two.

Oh, and in the year when Mike's team beat KY twice, KY ended up NCAAt runner up and Mike's team ended up losing at Cal in the NIT.

Point?

[Youngsta71701]

Name one Arkansas kid that signed with Kentucky while Nolan was our head coach.

Wasn't many Arkansas kids at the time that were good enough to even play for Arkansas so why would Kentucky want them? Nolan did however recruit a lot of Memphis kids. Come again?

[Hawg Red]

You can't really compare Nolan's recruiting to today's college basketball.
What's happening with the one and done kids wasn't an issue back then.
The reasons and motivations for recruits were different - kids chose a school knowing they would be there a few years.
For the one and done kid's - it's temporary, a 9 month stopping point to the NBA. For the most part, they don't care about the school or the program.

Making way too much sense for Hogville to adopt this fact.