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Re: Is this the future of College Sports?
« Reply #50 on: June 26, 2017, 04:00:11 pm »

For those who subscribe to Consumer Reports (the current print edition of which just hit my mailbox today), the feature article Cable or Streaming? covers this topic.
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Re: Is this the future of College Sports?
« Reply #51 on: June 26, 2017, 04:00:38 pm »

These cable companies would not be hemorrhaging customers if they ever in history treated a customer with dignity. However, since they didn't have competition they didn't have to treat you like anything other than an annoying obstacle between them and your wallet. Now that people have options, they are treating the cable companies the way they have always treated us... like they simply don't matter.
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Re: Is this the future of College Sports?
« Reply #52 on: June 26, 2017, 05:08:07 pm »

You're welcome, McKdaddy - it wasn't all that long ago I too cut the cord so I am still in the process of exploring options as well.  At present, I subscribe to PSV / Core Slim and Netflix.  I'm using two Amazon devices (Fire Tv and Fire Stick) on our two televisions so I've also been able to pull down some apps (NBC Sports - which is different from NBCSN, Fox Sports Go, and Watch ESPN) to round out our viewing needs. 

The PSV account satisfies the cable requirement for Watch ESPN by the way and both the NBC and Fox Sports apps are free.

It's a work in progress.

How much does all that plus your internet cost you per month ?
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Re: Is this the future of College Sports?
« Reply #53 on: June 26, 2017, 05:17:53 pm »

How much does all that plus your internet cost you per month ?

you are already paying for internet aren't you?

For me it breaks down like this...

Internet - $139.95 (Ihave to have a commercial account for business reasons, even though it is a residential address)
PSVue - $59.99 but there are cheaper packages, I just wanted HBO and Showtime
Netflix - $11.00

My cable bill without HBO/Showtime was over $100.00 per month so it is a net savings for me AND I have better options to watch what I want when I want. My internet bill has always been separate from my cable bill, so combined I was paying around 250.00 per month.
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Re: Is this the future of College Sports?
« Reply #54 on: June 26, 2017, 05:23:28 pm »

How much does all that plus your internet cost you per month ?

For me, PS Vue is $34.99 per month on the package I'm on.
Netflix is $13.13 per month (4 accounts though - and my kids use their accounts physically elsewhere) - that price is with tax
My internet is through Windstream - $65.94 per month for 25mb down - DSL service. 

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Re: Is this the future of College Sports?
« Reply #55 on: June 26, 2017, 05:30:54 pm »

I should note with respect to my two Amazon devices, I've been pretty satisfied with the Fire TV but not as much so with the Fire Stick.  The Fire Stick seems much slower to respond to commands than the Fire TV but I suspect the Fire Stick runs with a smaller (slower) processor than the Fire TV. 

If you're considering the Fire TV versus the Fire Stick, here is a vote for the Fire TV as being worth the price difference. 
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Re: Is this the future of College Sports?
« Reply #56 on: June 26, 2017, 05:32:26 pm »

I should note with respect to my two Amazon devices, I've been pretty satisfied with the Fire TV but not as much so with the Fire Stick.  The Fire Stick seems much slower to respond to commands than the Fire TV but I suspect the Fire Stick runs with a smaller (slower) processor than the Fire TV. 

If you're considering the Fire TV versus the Fire Stick, here is a vote for the Fire TV as being worth the price difference.

Same with any device. The stick doesn't have the computing power of a box. My Roku box is very responsive. My old google chromecast was pretty obvious when it was struggling.
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Re: Is this the future of College Sports?
« Reply #57 on: June 26, 2017, 05:46:12 pm »

For me, PS Vue is $34.99 per month on the package I'm on.
Netflix is $13.13 per month (4 accounts though - and my kids use their accounts physically elsewhere) - that price is with tax
My internet is through Windstream - $65.94 per month for 25mb down - DSL service.

Every year we call and threaten to leave uverse and they give us $50 a month off so our bill including internet is around $185 for 3 TV's. So basically I would save $70 a month. Seems like a lot of jumping through hoops compared to just turning on each TV and viewing what I want.

I guess I would have to go to someone's house that has it all set up to see if it would be worth it for me to switch. Now if me or the wife ever lose our jobs I'll be switching  ;D :D
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Re: Is this the future of College Sports?
« Reply #58 on: June 26, 2017, 05:51:53 pm »

This is what keeps me from cutting the cord. I do not want to have to subscribe to PSVUE & Hulu and Netflix, and Amazon, and have a antenna and have to have limits on how may tv's I can stream to at once, or have to have multiple fire sticks, etc, with limited or no dvr capability. The convenience of having one bundle is worth it for me.
Not to mention that the cable that serves me has been very reliable thus far.
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Re: Is this the future of College Sports?
« Reply #59 on: June 26, 2017, 06:12:42 pm »

Every year we call and threaten to leave uverse and they give us $50 a month off so our bill including internet is around $185 for 3 TV's. So basically I would save $70 a month. Seems like a lot of jumping through hoops compared to just turning on each TV and viewing what I want.

I guess I would have to go to someone's house that has it all set up to see if it would be worth it for me to switch. Now if me or the wife ever lose our jobs I'll be switching  ;D :D

In our case, we just found we weren't watching TV enough to justify the large (and growing larger bills).  The cord cutting trimmed our TV bill by right at one half - for us it was worth it but as with many things, YEMV. 

Edit: I did forget to mention Amazon - $99 per year but we use a good deal of the other services as well.  From a TV standpoint only, I would never suggest getting Amazon for its streaming content as it just does not have enough. 
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Re: Is this the future of College Sports?
« Reply #60 on: June 26, 2017, 06:17:00 pm »

In our case, we just found we weren't watching TV enough to justify the large (and growing larger bills).  The cord cutting trimmed our TV bill by right at one half - for us it was worth it but as with many things, YEMV. 

Edit: I did forget to mention Amazon - $99 per year but we use a good deal of the other services as well.  From a TV standpoint only, I would never suggest getting Amazon for its streaming content as it just does not have enough.

True on Amazon. I get my moneys worth with the free 2 day shipping though.
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Re: Is this the future of College Sports?
« Reply #61 on: June 26, 2017, 06:19:01 pm »

In our case, we just found we weren't watching TV enough to justify the large (and growing larger bills).  The cord cutting trimmed our TV bill by right at one half - for us it was worth it but as with many things, YEMV. 

Edit: I did forget to mention Amazon - $99 per year but we use a good deal of the other services as well.  From a TV standpoint only, I would never suggest getting Amazon for its streaming content as it just does not have enough.

We have prime and the wife watches some stuff.
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Re: Is this the future of College Sports?
« Reply #62 on: June 27, 2017, 09:53:44 am »

Seems like a lot of jumping through hoops compared to just turning on each TV and viewing what I want.


And the cord cutters always want to not include the cost of the internet connection, but without that the streaming does not work.
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Re: Is this the future of College Sports?
« Reply #63 on: June 27, 2017, 09:57:29 am »

And the cord cutters always want to not include the cost of the internet connection, but without that the streaming does not work.

True enough, but to be fair, internet access is pretty much the norm these days.  Now whether the connection is sufficient enough to support streaming is another story, but I do agree that all costs and factors need to be considered when making this decision. 
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Re: Is this the future of College Sports?
« Reply #64 on: June 27, 2017, 10:00:53 am »

And the cord cutters always want to not include the cost of the internet connection, but without that the streaming does not work.

We dont include the cost of electricity either.
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Re: Is this the future of College Sports?
« Reply #65 on: June 27, 2017, 10:13:30 am »

True enough, but to be fair, internet access is pretty much the norm these days.  Now whether the connection is sufficient enough to support streaming is another story, but I do agree that all costs and factors need to be considered when making this decision. 

And I have no issue with those going the non cable route, but I just question the actual savings once everything is figured in.

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« Reply #66 on: June 27, 2017, 10:20:27 am »

And I have no issue with those going the non cable route, but I just question the actual savings once everything is figured in.

As I noted above, I am saving money compared to what I used to spend on DirecTV at first, then later Dish but this exercise in cord cutting is making me question even subscribing to PS Vue when I consider how few channels of it I actually use as well.  I guess the upside here is the process of closely examining the content I actually consume has allowed me to scale back expenditures and I don't feel like I am spending as much time in front of the TV.

Now, if I could just do the same with Hogville!   >:(
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« Reply #67 on: June 27, 2017, 10:32:00 am »

As I noted above, I am saving money compared to what I used to spend on DirecTV at first, then later Dish but this exercise in cord cutting is making me question even subscribing to PS Vue when I consider how few channels of it I actually use as well.  I guess the upside here is the process of closely examining the content I actually consume has allowed me to scale back expenditures and I don't feel like I am spending as much time in front of the TV.

Now, if I could just do the same with Hogville!   >:(

For us the big issue is how varied our viewing is. My wife is hgtv/diy type stuff, I am AHC/Disc/Hist and sports. My 14 year old is sports and action movies. And we use the dvr a great deal.
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Re: Is this the future of College Sports?
« Reply #68 on: July 06, 2017, 08:44:39 pm »

Uh-oh - Looks like Play Station has lost their understanding of the market and looks like I'll be changing vendors.  A $10 increase for fewer channels is not what the market is demanding.  From PSV website:

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I heard PlayStation™Vue pricing is changing. Can you tell me more?
Effective 7/6/2017 for new customers, PlayStation™Vue plans will have the same nationwide pricing, as follows:
Access: $39.99/mo*
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Elite: $54.99/mo*
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If you are already subscribing at one of the prices above, your price will not change.
If you have Access Slim, Core Slim, Elite Slim, or Ultra Slim pricing, you will keep your current price for three billing cycles after the July 6 pricing change announcement. At the conclusion of this period, your monthly subscription will change (on your subscription renewal date) to the pricing above, based on the plan you have. If you upgrade, downgrade, or re-subscribe during this special pricing period, currently available pricing will apply.
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Re: Is this the future of College Sports?
« Reply #69 on: July 07, 2017, 12:31:40 am »

The Bottom Line is that cable dying is not the same as the passion of the fans for their teams being dead..

So there will be another avenue as fans will get their access.. an on-demand type pay structure, or more likely a hulu/netflix for sports fans that may bring in more money for colleges.
So much this...

As long as college fans are buying TV's there will be a way to monetize the sport. It just may be more complex and people may have to pay more directly for the future streaming/cable cutting/on demand distribution methods.

College sports viewership (all sports, not just FB) is going *up* not down.

The problem is that ESPN's model of bullying their subscription fee into the basic and intermediate cable/satellite bundles and thereby getting money from people who don't like sports is being destroyed by cable cutting.
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« Reply #70 on: July 08, 2017, 08:06:08 am »

And the cord cutters always want to not include the cost of the internet connection, but without that the streaming does not work.

99.9% of cord cutters would have internet already anyway. THAT is the one thing they won't get rid of. Therefore you might as well use it to lower your TV viewing cost.
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« Reply #71 on: July 08, 2017, 10:15:26 am »

I'm just wondering when ESPN will be a stand alone like HBO. 
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« Reply #72 on: July 10, 2017, 10:11:19 am »

I'm just wondering when ESPN will be a stand alone like HBO. 

Many market estimates are that ESPN would have to charge $30+ per month if it were offered as a stand alone premium like HBO.
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Re: Is this the future of College Sports?
« Reply #73 on: July 10, 2017, 11:54:56 am »

Not really about affording it.  People shouldn't have to pay 100+ for tv and then watch new subscribers to providers get a discount while others that have been with them for awhile get price hikes.

That doesn't bother me. I'm a Directv subscriber and I know that those discounts that the new subscribers get are only temporary so they will eventually be paying the higher prices too. I wouldn't think of giving up Directv.
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« Reply #74 on: July 10, 2017, 12:12:14 pm »

Uh-oh - Looks like Play Station has lost their understanding of the market and looks like I'll be changing vendors.  A $10 increase for fewer channels is not what the market is demanding.  From PSV website:


Yep those cord cutters who are saving money now won't be doing so for long. I remember when satellite TV became the rage. A person could put one of those giant dishes in their yard and subscribe to whatever channels they wanted and then it became so expensive that it was cheaper to get something like Directv and get a bunch of channels for one price. Now some believe that's too high and they are looking for ways to cut the cord. Soon that will get too expensive and some will be looking for something else.
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« Reply #75 on: July 10, 2017, 12:33:35 pm »

99.9% of cord cutters would have internet already anyway. THAT is the one thing they won't get rid of. Therefore you might as well use it to lower your TV viewing cost.

That's fine, but it still has to be figured into the cost of their tv because without it they can't stream anything.
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« Reply #76 on: July 10, 2017, 03:59:56 pm »

Uh-oh - Looks like Play Station has lost their understanding of the market and looks like I'll be changing vendors.  A $10 increase for fewer channels is not what the market is demanding.  From PSV website:


Yep, they're losing me. They dropped the one channel that I watch 75% of the time, and then up my bill 30%.
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« Reply #77 on: July 10, 2017, 04:09:46 pm »

Uh-oh - Looks like Play Station has lost their understanding of the market and looks like I'll be changing vendors.  A $10 increase for fewer channels is not what the market is demanding.  From PSV website:


So who you going to run to now - until they change their price anyway?
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« Reply #78 on: July 11, 2017, 08:59:28 am »

Yep those cord cutters who are saving money now won't be doing so for long. I remember when satellite TV became the rage. A person could put one of those giant dishes in their yard and subscribe to whatever channels they wanted and then it became so expensive that it was cheaper to get something like Directv and get a bunch of channels for one price. Now some believe that's too high and they are looking for ways to cut the cord. Soon that will get too expensive and some will be looking for something else.

You are so uninformed and critical of things you do not understand. I can assure you I am paying quite a bit less than you for my television viewing, and the ps vue price hike still doesn't get me close to the prices you are paying. I can change packages on the fly, don't have to rent any equipment, don't pay franchise fees and 3 or 4 other made up charges, can switch providers within 30 seconds of deciding I want to and the list goes on and on. Keep trying to make us look stupid for not paying as much as you for the same channels.
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« Reply #79 on: July 11, 2017, 09:01:44 am »

That's fine, but it still has to be figured into the cost of their tv because without it they can't stream anything.
Ill add it to my cost if you will add it to yours. It is not a new expense, you and I both pay for internet already. Now, since we have established that, lets look at the costs of television packages, unless you would like for me to add my electric bill to my costs since I can watch any of it without electricity.
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« Reply #80 on: July 11, 2017, 09:02:56 am »

So who you going to run to now - until they change their price anyway?

Why are you trying to shame him for having choices and competing services wanting his business lol.
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« Reply #81 on: July 11, 2017, 09:38:58 am »

Ill add it to my cost if you will add it to yours. It is not a new expense, you and I both pay for internet already. Now, since we have established that, lets look at the costs of television packages, unless you would like for me to add my electric bill to my costs since I can watch any of it without electricity.

I do add it to my cost because it is part of the bundle I pay for.

Why are you trying to shame him for having choices and competing services wanting his business lol.


I am not trying to shame anyone. I have looked into the options the cord cutters talk about, and they always seem to leave out things. For me, and I am just speaking for my family of 4, it is not worth it to have to have streaming devices or smart tv's in 3 or 4 rooms. I do not want to have to subscribe to ps vue, plus hulu and netflix and amazon to piece together the tv package I have now. I do not want to be limited on how many tv's I can use at one time on a particular service.

Now, in 4 years when it is just me and my wife at home, that may very well be an option, but right now it is not worth it to me.
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« Reply #82 on: July 11, 2017, 09:58:48 am »

We cut off Directv in January because our bill was getting ready to go back up to $130 a month unless we re-upped for another contract.  Seriously, half the channels on Directv that we were paying for were informercial channels, and we literally watched like 5 channels outside of the network channels. In addition our teenage boys never watched Directv, they only watch Netflix and Youtube.  Not counting the cost of internet, which is irrelevant because we have to have it anyway, we're paying like $13 a month for Netflix, $8 a month for Hulu and $100 a year for Amazon Prime, which my wife really initially used for the two day shipping (although we definitely use Amazon Video and I've replaced iTunes with Amazon music).  For our main tv we purchased a Mohu Leaf antenna for our network stations, which was a one time $50 purchase.  Not counting the cost of the antenna and factoring in the yearly cost of Amazon Prime we're paying around $30 a month - compared to $130 a month that we were paying for Directv.  I will possibly do a Sling TV subscription once football season starts for ESPN and SEC Network, which is around $30 a month, but it's month to month - no contract required.  I can honestly say after 6 months cutting the cord, we don't miss it whatsoever, and we're saving a lot of money.
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« Reply #83 on: July 11, 2017, 10:11:07 am »

You are so uninformed and critical of things you do not understand. I can assure you I am paying quite a bit less than you for my television viewing, and the ps vue price hike still doesn't get me close to the prices you are paying. I can change packages on the fly, don't have to rent any equipment, don't pay franchise fees and 3 or 4 other made up charges, can switch providers within 30 seconds of deciding I want to and the list goes on and on. Keep trying to make us look stupid for not paying as much as you for the same channels.

Oh I understand very clearly. I just realize that your rates will keep rising and soon you'll be paying as much as I do for TV channels. That's just the way it works. Demand pushes prices up. I don't think you're stupid at all, I just know you are getting what is only a temporary reprieve.
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« Reply #84 on: July 11, 2017, 12:25:10 pm »

We cut off Directv in January because our bill was getting ready to go back up to $130 a month unless we re-upped for another contract.  Seriously, half the channels on Directv that we were paying for were informercial channels, and we literally watched like 5 channels outside of the network channels. In addition our teenage boys never watched Directv, they only watch Netflix and Youtube.  Not counting the cost of internet, which is irrelevant because we have to have it anyway, we're paying like $13 a month for Netflix, $8 a month for Hulu and $100 a year for Amazon Prime, which my wife really initially used for the two day shipping (although we definitely use Amazon Video and I've replaced iTunes with Amazon music).  For our main tv we purchased a Mohu Leaf antenna for our network stations, which was a one time $50 purchase.  Not counting the cost of the antenna and factoring in the yearly cost of Amazon Prime we're paying around $30 a month - compared to $130 a month that we were paying for Directv.  I will possibly do a Sling TV subscription once football season starts for ESPN and SEC Network, which is around $30 a month, but it's month to month - no contract required.  I can honestly say after 6 months cutting the cord, we don't miss it whatsoever, and we're saving a lot of money.

So is the 130 a month with direct tv including internet?  And is the the 30 you are paying including internet?
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« Reply #85 on: July 11, 2017, 12:33:58 pm »

We cut off Directv in January because our bill was getting ready to go back up to $130 a month unless we re-upped for another contract.  Seriously, half the channels on Directv that we were paying for were informercial channels, and we literally watched like 5 channels outside of the network channels. In addition our teenage boys never watched Directv, they only watch Netflix and Youtube.  Not counting the cost of internet, which is irrelevant because we have to have it anyway, we're paying like $13 a month for Netflix, $8 a month for Hulu and $100 a year for Amazon Prime, which my wife really initially used for the two day shipping (although we definitely use Amazon Video and I've replaced iTunes with Amazon music).  For our main tv we purchased a Mohu Leaf antenna for our network stations, which was a one time $50 purchase.  Not counting the cost of the antenna and factoring in the yearly cost of Amazon Prime we're paying around $30 a month - compared to $130 a month that we were paying for Directv.  I will possibly do a Sling TV subscription once football season starts for ESPN and SEC Network, which is around $30 a month, but it's month to month - no contract required.  I can honestly say after 6 months cutting the cord, we don't miss it whatsoever, and we're saving a lot of money.

Our Directv bill is $135 a month but we also have the Starz-Encore package and the Hallmark Movie Channel package as extras.
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Re: Is this the future of College Sports?
« Reply #86 on: July 13, 2017, 01:05:56 pm »

Our Directv bill is $135 a month but we also have the Starz-Encore package and the Hallmark Movie Channel package as extras.


The $130 a month is just the cost of Directv.  The $30 a month doesn't include the cost of internet, I've left that out because I'm going to be paying for internet regardless of whether I have Satellite/cable or not.
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Re: Is this the future of College Sports?
« Reply #87 on: July 13, 2017, 01:14:57 pm »


The $130 a month is just the cost of Directv.  The $30 a month doesn't include the cost of internet, I've left that out because I'm going to be paying for internet regardless of whether I have Satellite/cable or not.

That may be, but for those who are using streaming for their tv, they have to include that cost because they can't stream with the internet.
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