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Re: One and done rule change ideal.
« Reply #50 on: May 31, 2017, 10:35:30 am »

Neither college basketball or the NBA are anywhere near the quality they were in the late 70's / early 80's.  To say this sport is fine as it is totally flies in the face of this fact.
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« Reply #51 on: May 31, 2017, 10:50:55 am »

Only way to fix the one and done is to allow them to go straight out of high school.  This will be Calipari's worse nightmare.
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Re: One and done rule change ideal.
« Reply #52 on: May 31, 2017, 11:01:29 am »

Only way to fix the one and done is to allow them to go straight out of high school.  This will be Calipari's worse nightmare.

And Mizzou's this year.
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Re: One and done rule change ideal.
« Reply #53 on: May 31, 2017, 11:37:39 am »

I have no issues with the current setup...I think schools just need to recruit better.  Kentucky is known for having new one-and-dones each year, but how many titles does Calipari have at UK, one?  One and Dones provide you with instant success, in most cases, but it doesn't guarantee you a national championship. 
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Re: One and done rule change ideal.
« Reply #54 on: May 31, 2017, 12:34:26 pm »

Only way to fix the one and done is to allow them to go straight out of high school.  This will be Calipari's worse nightmare.

why? If they can go straight out of HS, he will just get the best of the ones that do not go right to the draft.
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Re: One and done rule change ideal.
« Reply #55 on: May 31, 2017, 12:50:00 pm »

why? If they can go straight out of HS, he will just get the best of the ones that do not go right to the draft.

agree here.. if kids have to stay two or three years, that only make's the rich richer.. they'll still get the best but have them longer...
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Re: One and done rule change ideal.
« Reply #56 on: May 31, 2017, 01:10:25 pm »


Follow the baseball model, seems to work well there.

This.

Kids can sign out of HS if NBA thinks they're ready and drafts them.  OR, kid can come to school and is draft eligible after 3rd year on campus, regardless of how much they play, red shirts, etc.

Has worked out very well for all parties in Baseball.  Kids get development that MOST of them need while getting an education all of them need.  However, if they are that rare athlete physically and mentally ready for the League at 18 years old, that road is open to them.
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Re: One and done rule change ideal.
« Reply #57 on: May 31, 2017, 01:25:16 pm »

This.

Kids can sign out of HS if NBA thinks they're ready and drafts them.  OR, kid can come to school and is draft eligible after 3rd year on campus, regardless of how much they play, red shirts, etc.

Has worked out very well for all parties in Baseball.  Kids get development that MOST of them need while getting an education all of them need.  However, if they are that rare athlete physically and mentally ready for the League at 18 years old, that road is open to them.

baseball also has a much longer developmental period that teams are willing to wait for as well as a hundred or so roster sports just within their minor league teams.
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Re: One and done rule change ideal.
« Reply #58 on: May 31, 2017, 04:00:56 pm »

baseball also has a much longer developmental period that teams are willing to wait for as well as a hundred or so roster sports just within their minor league teams.

Good point - but this begs the question of why the NBA can't do this too (have an extensive minor league system). 
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Re: One and done rule change ideal.
« Reply #59 on: May 31, 2017, 04:50:53 pm »

I like the OP's line of thinking, though - what can the NCAA do themselves to fix college basketball. The notion of redistributing the one and dones across more teams is a good one.

The notion of doing this through APR as mentioned above is very intriguing - does APR really not destroy schools for the one and dones as is? Seems like this really should be changed, period.
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Re: One and done rule change ideal.
« Reply #60 on: May 31, 2017, 08:24:40 pm »

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Re: One and done rule change ideal.
« Reply #61 on: May 31, 2017, 09:44:36 pm »

I like the OP's line of thinking, though - what can the NCAA do themselves to fix college basketball. The notion of redistributing the one and dones across more teams is a good one.

The notion of doing this through APR as mentioned above is very intriguing - does APR really not destroy schools for the one and dones as is? Seems like this really should be changed, period.

One and dones only have to be in good academic standing when they leave school to keep s good APR.

Graduation rates should be in the apr score but aren't.
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Re: One and done rule change ideal.
« Reply #62 on: May 31, 2017, 10:01:00 pm »

why? If they can go straight out of HS, he will just get the best of the ones that do not go right to the draft.
agree here.. if kids have to stay two or three years, that only make's the rich richer.. they'll still get the best but have them longer...
Cal gets the best because his roster turns over every year. If he's forced to keep players, then that makes more players available for other schools. That's is, once a kid goes to college he has to stay 2 or 3 years.

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« Reply #63 on: May 31, 2017, 11:21:27 pm »

Cal gets the best because his roster turns over every year. If he's forced to keep players, then that makes more players available for other schools. That's is, once a kid goes to college he has to stay 2 or 3 years.

Finally! Someone who gets it.

One of the reasons college bball is down is because the talent is only being shared between about 3 to 4 programs.
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Re: One and done rule change ideal.
« Reply #64 on: June 01, 2017, 10:10:29 am »

Now some of you are getting it, the NCAA only has to fix the "Kentucky problem", that's all.  Whether it's losing scholarships or through APR hits doesn't really matter as they have the power to do either one to bring about forced recruiting changes at THAT school.
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« Reply #65 on: June 01, 2017, 10:53:08 am »

It can't be an NCAA rule, it has to be an NBA rule.  The NBA can only change that.  To force kids to stay in school at the NCAA level would open up a huge mess.

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Re: One and done rule change ideal.
« Reply #66 on: June 01, 2017, 11:08:13 am »

Just leave it alone!!! You can not try to improve the quality of college basketball by legalizing that kids remain in school when they have the talent to make life changing money for their families.
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« Reply #67 on: June 01, 2017, 11:18:02 am »

Heard an interview this morning where Silver said he is leaning towards changing the one and done rule and allowing players to leave straight from high school. He stated that very few players improve their draft stock, by coming to college for one year. Said the extra year (actually calls it a half year) isn't doing much for these kids and honestly becomes a mockery to the student athletes who do actually go to class.

He used Ben Simmons as an example.

He also said in the past the League wanted a two year rule, and the players wanted no age limit. They met in the middle, but now Silver is changing his view on this.
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« Reply #68 on: June 01, 2017, 12:05:07 pm »

Now some of you are getting it, the NCAA only has to fix the "Kentucky problem", that's all.  Whether it's losing scholarships or through APR hits doesn't really matter as they have the power to do either one to bring about forced recruiting changes at THAT school.

So now the NCAA should be out to get one school? They are not doing anything wrong. And believe me, if the Hogs were getting one a dones, none of you would have an issue with it all of a sudden.

The rule needs to be changed by the NBA. Let players declare for the draft right out of HS. 
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« Reply #69 on: June 01, 2017, 12:37:58 pm »

Heard an interview this morning where Silver said he is leaning towards changing the one and done rule and allowing players to leave straight from high school. He stated that very few players improve their draft stock, by coming to college for one year. Said the extra year (actually calls it a half year) isn't doing much for these kids and honestly becomes a mockery to the student athletes who do actually go to class.

He used Ben Simmons as an example.

He also said in the past the League wanted a two year rule, and the players wanted no age limit. They met in the middle, but now Silver is changing his view on this.

Good. They never should have changed that rule. They (the NBA, aka the teams) changed it to save themselves from themselves. They were drunk on potential, but it was actually their poor decision making with young international players that was the most damaging. Straight-to-NBA high school players actually have a pretty good resume. Fans just don't think so because they have the expectation of "you're good enough to go to the NBA out of high school so you must be an exception player, and if not, you're a bust." No regard for draft position or career longevity. People call Sebastain Telfair a bust, but he was just a late lottery pick at #13 overall in his draft. There are countless college players drafted at that stop that never amounted to anything and Telfair played 10 seasons in the NBA and made 19 million dollars. That's actually probably going to grade out as above average for that draft slot. You can't call him a bust. You can say he was overhyped by the media, but the NBA did not overhype him if he was barely a lottery pick.

Teams just have to do a better job at drafting, and anyone who follows basketball knows that teams are always going to be spotty at drafting players for a variety of reasons. The fans just have to accept that the money is so great right now that the draft is going to stay young unlike it was in the NBA's heyday. If the money that is available now was available in the 70s/80s/90s, you'd see the same level of youth in the draft.
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« Reply #70 on: June 01, 2017, 01:32:57 pm »

Good. They never should have changed that rule. They (the NBA, aka the teams) changed it to save themselves from themselves. They were drunk on potential, but it was actually their poor decision making with young international players that was the most damaging. Straight-to-NBA high school players actually have a pretty good resume. Fans just don't think so because they have the expectation of "you're good enough to go to the NBA out of high school so you must be an exception player, and if not, you're a bust." No regard for draft position or career longevity. People call Sebastain Telfair a bust, but he was just a late lottery pick at #13 overall in his draft. There are countless college players drafted at that stop that never amounted to anything and Telfair played 10 seasons in the NBA and made 19 million dollars. That's actually probably going to grade out as above average for that draft slot. You can't call him a bust. You can say he was overhyped by the media, but the NBA did not overhype him if he was barely a lottery pick.

Teams just have to do a better job at drafting, and anyone who follows basketball knows that teams are always going to be spotty at drafting players for a variety of reasons. The fans just have to accept that the money is so great right now that the draft is going to stay young unlike it was in the NBA's heyday. If the money that is available now was available in the 70s/80s/90s, you'd see the same level of youth in the draft.
This was pretty close to Silver's argument. The question was posed to him that the NBA should vamp up it's D-League similar to overseas. Instead he feels we just need to get rid of the one and done, allow kids to start earlier with the coaching resources available and he thinks we will see a rise in the output basketball puts on the floor. Not sure he's 100% right, but he is aware that the league is gaining more and more overseas players and we aren't helping our kids at home by sending them to college for a year.
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Re: One and done rule change ideal.
« Reply #71 on: June 01, 2017, 02:03:42 pm »

So now the NCAA should be out to get one school? They are not doing anything wrong. And believe me, if the Hogs were getting one a dones, none of you would have an issue with it all of a sudden.

The rule needs to be changed by the NBA. Let players declare for the draft right out of HS.

I think they should have to go to college for 2 or 3 years. No teenager is ready to manage that many millions. Even one and done guys like Okafor habe done childish things with millions of dollars. These kids aren't ready to handle this type of money until they are 21 IMO
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« Reply #72 on: June 01, 2017, 03:49:09 pm »

I think they should have to go to college for 2 or 3 years. No teenager is ready to manage that many millions. Even one and done guys like Okafor habe done childish things with millions of dollars. These kids aren't ready to handle this type of money until they are 21 IMO

So make them put it in trust. My son is 18 and he can go to work in any field that will hire him, why should basketball players be limited by age for the path they want to try to make a living in?
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« Reply #73 on: June 01, 2017, 03:57:02 pm »

I think they should have to go to college for 2 or 3 years. No teenager is ready to manage that many millions. Even one and done guys like Okafor habe done childish things with millions of dollars. These kids aren't ready to handle this type of money until they are 21 IMO

Are you saying that college players that played 2 or 3 seasons (so usually 20 or 21 years old) are ready to manage that many millions of dollars? There's a long list of pro athletes that played 2-4 years in college that went flat broke. It's all about the individual and the support system. If the support system isn't there, doesn't matter how many years in college they play. Not like they are making money to manage in college (in theory). Horrible argument.
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« Reply #74 on: June 01, 2017, 04:00:37 pm »

College basketball didn't miss Kobe, Garnett, or LeBron.

There are historical results to go on here, none of which back up the claim you have made.

It most certainly did miss those guys.  There is a reason why the talent exodus of top HS talent to the NBA coincided with the decline of the college game.
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« Reply #75 on: June 01, 2017, 04:06:13 pm »

It most certainly did miss those guys.  There is a reason why the talent exodus of top HS talent to the NBA coincided with the decline of the college game.

What are we using to quantify "decline?"
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« Reply #76 on: June 01, 2017, 04:12:48 pm »

What are we using to quantify "decline?"

Television ratings are a good starting point.  Even with the adjusted for population size totals, the modern audience is smaller.

The game itself has been in a decent decline for quite a while, though has shown some signs of improvement the last couple of years
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« Reply #77 on: June 01, 2017, 08:48:36 pm »

It also makes sense for the NBA. Many high school players are physically ready for the NBA when they graduate but very few are actually Mentally and emotionally mature enough to go straight to the NBA. As a result the current "One and Done" rule and the original draft right out of High School rule has not only watered down College basketball but has watered down the NBA some too. IMHO the NCAA needs to put pressure on the NBA to change their draft eligibility requirements to match the NFL draft eligibility requirements. this move would greatly strengthen college basketball and would strengthen the NBA because they would be drafting players who are Mentally and emotionally ready for the transition to the NBA.
Not a lick of sense as has been proven throughout history.  A 19 year old is no more likely to be injured in the NBA than a 25 year old.  A 19 year old in the NFL would likely get broken, the reason for the rule.
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« Reply #78 on: June 01, 2017, 09:05:02 pm »

Make it 3 years and I think you're on the right path.
Agreed. Use the baseball rules. If you want to go out of high school, then go. Otherwise, you stay 3 years. The NBA is hurting itself with all these underdeveloped players. IMO
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« Reply #79 on: June 01, 2017, 09:21:56 pm »

Didnt need this rule til the NBA teams started drafting more off of what a player might develop into instead of what the kid willl be or is.  The kids today half to leave early cause the longer a kid stays the more his game is picked apart and more is focused on what the kid can not do instead of what he can do and is good at. 
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« Reply #80 on: June 01, 2017, 09:31:30 pm »

It most certainly did miss those guys.  There is a reason why the talent exodus of top HS talent to the NBA coincided with the decline of the college game.

Your definition for decline pretty much lines up perfectly with the one and done era and not with the guys I mentioned going straight from HS.

I will now go and argue with a brick wall as the wall has better listening skills than those demonstrated in this thread.
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« Reply #81 on: June 02, 2017, 07:29:05 am »

So now the NCAA should be out to get one school? They are not doing anything wrong. And believe me, if the Hogs were getting one a dones, none of you would have an issue with it all of a sudden.

The rule needs to be changed by the NBA. Let players declare for the draft right out of HS.

Geez man have you ever called an adjustable wrench a crescent wrench? 

I don't care if they declare out of HS, I have a problem with the one and done's.  At any other time you would be spouting off about education etc...  College sports belong to colleges and those colleges through a orgainazation called the NCAA have the power to determine the rules.  What I suggested is completely within the power of the NCAA to do as is an APR hit.
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« Reply #82 on: June 02, 2017, 07:38:14 am »

It can't be an NCAA rule, it has to be an NBA rule.  The NBA can only change that.  To force kids to stay in school at the NCAA level would open up a huge mess.

Your not forcing them to stay in school, that was the idea.  Your forcing schools to recruit according to NCAA rules that make it unadvicable to recruit a team full of one and done's.  The only thing that will change is spreading the one and done's out over ten teams instead of three or four.  That may not sound like much but it's enough I think.
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« Reply #83 on: June 02, 2017, 08:57:41 am »

Geez man have you ever called an adjustable wrench a crescent wrench? 

I don't care if they declare out of HS, I have a problem with the one and done's.  At any other time you would be spouting off about education etc...  College sports belong to colleges and those colleges through a orgainazation called the NCAA have the power to determine the rules.  What I suggested is completely within the power of the NCAA to do as is an APR hit.

But one and dones are not that big of an issue in college basketball as a whole. The vast majority of college teams have none. What you want to do is punish schools for recruiting players good enough to leave early. I think the rule the nba has in place is stupid, but it is not something the ncaa should involve itself in.
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« Reply #84 on: June 02, 2017, 09:14:16 am »

But one and dones are not that big of an issue in college basketball as a whole. The vast majority of college teams have none. What you want to do is punish schools for recruiting players good enough to leave early. I think the rule the nba has in place is stupid, but it is not something the ncaa should involve itself in.

Hogsanity you are finally coming around on certain issues. There is not a big exodus of one and dones outside of  Kentucky and a few elite programs.
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« Reply #85 on: June 02, 2017, 09:18:09 am »

Hogsanity you are finally coming around on certain issues. There is not a big exodus of one and dones outside of  Kentucky and a few elite programs.

And the only reason some here are so vociferous about the one and dones is because KY is the one getting them all now. IF it were Washington or G-Town, few, if any, here would want the ncaa to get involved.
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« Reply #86 on: June 02, 2017, 09:18:49 am »

One-and-dones by NCAA champion:

2017 - UNC: Tony Bradley (late 1st to early 2nd round projection)
2016 - Villanova: None
2015 - Duke: Jahlil Okafor (#3 overall), Justise Winslow (#10 overall), Tyus Jones (#24 overall)
2014 - UConn: None
2013 - Louisville: None
2012 - Kentucky: Anthony Davis (#1 overall), Michael Kidd-Gilchrist (#2 overall), Marquis Teague (#29 overall)
2011 - UConn: None
2010 - Duke: None
2009 - UNC: None
2008 - Kansas: None
2007 - Florida: None

7 one-and-dones in 11 seasons (2007 was first "one-and-done draft" with no HS players) on NCAA championship rosters. That's 0.64 per season in the one-and-done era.
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« Reply #87 on: June 04, 2017, 06:16:47 am »

Geez man have you ever called an adjustable wrench a crescent wrench? 

I don't care if they declare out of HS, I have a problem with the one and done's.  At any other time you would be spouting off about education etc...  College sports belong to colleges and those colleges through a orgainazation called the NCAA have the power to determine the rules.  What I suggested is completely within the power of the NCAA to do as is an APR hit.

Should every kid that starts college be forced to stay 3 years? Why punish athletes?

Someone said 18 thru 20 year olds should not be allowed in the NBA because they can't manage money... But they can joint the military and sacrifice their life? Are the more former broke millionaires who went to the NBA at age 19 or more kids that were arrested for crimes because they didn't have money?  The big programs have always gotten the best recruits, no rule will ever change that... As far as those people who want re-distribution of One and Dones so everyone has some and all teams are equal... Better luck in the next election to you and your re-distribution of wealth candidate.... 
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« Reply #88 on: June 04, 2017, 02:48:47 pm »

Should every kid that starts college be forced to stay 3 years? Why punish athletes?

Someone said 18 thru 20 year olds should not be allowed in the NBA because they can't manage money... But they can joint the military and sacrifice their life? Are the more former broke millionaires who went to the NBA at age 19 or more kids that were arrested for crimes because they didn't have money?  The big programs have always gotten the best recruits, no rule will ever change that... As far as those people who want re-distribution of One and Dones so everyone has some and all teams are equal... Better luck in the next election to you and your re-distribution of wealth candidate....

It sometimes amazes me what people will come up with from reading something.  It's like witness interviews, ask ten people you get ten answers.   

Let me ask you something, if Kentucky had to avoid recruiting one or two potential one and done's would that improve Arkansas odds of beating them?  In the NCAA tourney we almost best UNC, what if they didn't have one of their stars?  I have never said anything about penalizing players for anything.  The only thing I suggest and it completely within the NCAA abilitiy to do, is make a program lose that scholarship for either two or three years or put more of a hit on their APR(which should happen anyway since these players don't really go to college).  Let me ask you, why not just let these programs sign twenty five players, it's absolutely the same dang thing, Your redistributing talent.

As for your insult, go to....the lake and jump in!
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« Reply #89 on: June 06, 2017, 08:57:23 am »

It sometimes amazes me what people will come up with from reading something.  It's like witness interviews, ask ten people you get ten answers.   

Let me ask you something, if Kentucky had to avoid recruiting one or two potential one and done's would that improve Arkansas odds of beating them?  In the NCAA tourney we almost best UNC, what if they didn't have one of their stars?  I have never said anything about penalizing players for anything.  The only thing I suggest and it completely within the NCAA abilitiy to do, is make a program lose that scholarship for either two or three years or put more of a hit on their APR(which should happen anyway since these players don't really go to college).  Let me ask you, why not just let these programs sign twenty five players, it's absolutely the same dang thing, Your redistributing talent.

As for your insult, go to....the lake and jump in!

So do you think every team should be allowed to have one 5 star, two 4 stars and seven 3 stars and the 2 stars... Maybe everyone should just be allowed to pay a coach $400k.. Maybe you can only have 1 player over 6' 10 per team...  It was not meant as an insult but the US was built on a free market and no matter what you do the cream will rise to the top...  The NBA has a cap and there are 3 teams that have the most talent...

If you think making UK, Duke, N Carolina and Kansas have to keep players 3 years is going to make them worse or less likely to make it to the final four then you are wrong.  Back when players had to stay longer the elites were even more likely to dominate... Thad Matta got fire yesterday because recruiting the best players is vital to a team success per the AD. 
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« Reply #90 on: June 06, 2017, 10:25:47 am »

Not a lick of sense as has been proven throughout history.  A 19 year old is no more likely to be injured in the NBA than a 25 year old.  A 19 year old in the NFL would likely get broken, the reason for the rule.

It makes perfect sense for the NBA to adopt the NFL Draft eligibility requirements. 18 year olds are not mentally and emotionally mature enough to participate in either the NFL or the NBA. Anyone with a half a grain of one-eyed horse sense knows this. It isn't about being physically ready, it's about being MENTALLY and emotionally mature enough.
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« Reply #91 on: June 06, 2017, 10:29:10 am »

So make them put it in trust. My son is 18 and he can go to work in any field that will hire him, why should basketball players be limited by age for the path they want to try to make a living in?

Your son won't make millions of dollars a year as an 18 year old though. Being mentally and emotionally mature enough to handle a regular full time job is far different than being mentally and emotionally mature enough to play in the NBA or NFL.
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« Reply #92 on: June 06, 2017, 11:02:10 am »

It makes perfect sense for the NBA to adopt the NFL Draft eligibility requirements. 18 year olds are not mentally and emotionally mature enough to participate in either the NFL or the NBA. Anyone with a half a grain of one-eyed horse sense knows this. It isn't about being physically ready, it's about being MENTALLY and emotionally mature enough.

If it makes so much sense, why haven't they done it? Perhaps its because they've vetted out your mentally and emotionally "mature" perspective and found that the ROI on their current system is better than what you propose?
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« Reply #93 on: June 06, 2017, 11:05:28 am »

It makes perfect sense for the NBA to adopt the NFL Draft eligibility requirements. 18 year olds are not mentally and emotionally mature enough to participate in either the NFL or the NBA. Anyone with a half a grain of one-eyed horse sense knows this. It isn't about being physically ready, it's about being MENTALLY and emotionally mature enough.

You are funny. The NBA and the NBAPA adopted the current rule, not because of the mental or emotional state of 18 yr olds, but because for every 18 yr old drafted, a veteran loses a roster spot.
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« Reply #94 on: June 06, 2017, 12:42:56 pm »


Follow the baseball model, seems to work well there.

I love this idea for college basketball
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« Reply #95 on: June 06, 2017, 12:43:32 pm »

It makes perfect sense for the NBA to adopt the NFL Draft eligibility requirements. 18 year olds are not mentally and emotionally mature enough to participate in either the NFL or the NBA. Anyone with a half a grain of one-eyed horse sense knows this. It isn't about being physically ready, it's about being MENTALLY and emotionally mature enough.
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« Reply #96 on: June 06, 2017, 12:59:54 pm »

I love this idea for college basketball

baseball model works well for baseball because they have so many developmental teams. Each team has at least 1 short season rookie league, a, aa, aaa, plus they can go play winter ball in AZ or in the carib. leagues. Plus they have a separate system for foreign players to get drafted/signed by teams. This would not work for basketball.
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« Reply #97 on: June 06, 2017, 01:13:01 pm »

baseball model works well for baseball because they have so many developmental teams. Each team has at least 1 short season rookie league, a, aa, aaa, plus they can go play winter ball in AZ or in the carib. leagues. Plus they have a separate system for foreign players to get drafted/signed by teams. This would not work for basketball.

Because the NBA doesn't have a developmental system is exactly why the baseball rule would be perfect for basketball.

You are asserting that throwing 19 year olds to the sharks or the scrap heap as is the current practice is better than those who end up scrapped out having to remain in school for 3 years?

Football doesn't have a developmental system either and the rule is great there. It's asinine to claim that it won't work for basketball as well.
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« Reply #98 on: June 06, 2017, 01:20:05 pm »

Because the NBA doesn't have a developmental system is exactly why the baseball rule would be perfect for basketball.

You are asserting that throwing 19 year olds to the sharks or the scrap heap as is the current practice is better than those who end up scrapped out having to remain in school for 3 years?

Football doesn't have a developmental system either and the rule is great there. It's asinine to claim that it won't work for basketball as well.

The ages may work for basketball, but the overall setup is much different. Kind of like the real world, where a 18 yr old can go to work right out of HS and either make it or not.

Again, if it was not Kentucky ( or another sec school ) taking advantage of this rule, 99.99% of the people here that proclaim to care about the kids so much would not care one bit.
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« Reply #99 on: June 06, 2017, 04:48:11 pm »

The ages may work for basketball, but the overall setup is much different. Kind of like the real world, where a 18 yr old can go to work right out of HS and either make it or not.

Again, if it was not Kentucky ( or another sec school ) taking advantage of this rule, 99.99% of the people here that proclaim to care about the kids so much would not care one bit.
Agree. Having them come to college doesn't make them more mature. The kids that know they are a one and done aren't going to class and truly "maturing". They are getting by taking easy classes till their second semester in which most don't even finish up their classes. As soon as the season is over they stop going and attend whatever workouts their new (well not so new) agent has lined up for them.

They aren't any better off coming to college. It just reinforces in their mind that they are "special" and rules don't truly apply to them.
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